Topic: MegaMan Legends 3 is REAL, AND IT'S SPECTACULAR...LY IN 3-D

[Kieran]

I was thinking less Pokemon and more that she belonged in a Star Force game, which is pretty much my way of saying the design is [parasitic bomb] and doesn't belong anywhere near Legends.

[KoiDrake]

Star Force designs where the best thing those games had. Besides, I don't see the point of arguing whether the design fits on Legends or not, each design has the style of very differents artists. They will make it fit later on.

And I'm glad to see Komaki's is winning, I liked that one the most...

Komaki's design looks like it belongs in Pokemon. Im sorry, but its true. Also, maybe Its just bad memory, but I recall Legends folk having relatively normal hair colors for the most part.
Also, her hair is too close to Roll's own hair style. We need a different style.

I don't really see the similarity ...
And you're mentioning her hair having an unoriginal look after mentioning that no one else has her hair color. She could have dyed it

[NEO Ness]

Komaki's design looks like it belongs in Pokemon. Im sorry, but its true. Also, maybe Its just bad memory, but I recall Legends folk having relatively normal hair colors for the most part.

Also, her hair is too close to Roll's own hair style. We need a different style.

Yuna and Sera had like...neon green hair.  That guy (Von Bleucher?), the 'leader/captain' of the Solpher Bottom had like dark green hair.  Many NPC's had interesting designs of their own.  Rock's hair was just CRAZY (AWESOME!), and Roll's and Tron's were strange, but very creative at the same time.

Plus, Legends 1 and 2 were a 'of the era' cell-shaded anime style gameing.  Anime Style being the key word.  The character's hair and appearances should be anime-like.

[Align]

Yuna and Sera were constructs, though?

[Kieran]

Von Bleucher wasn't a construct and he had green hair.

[Hypershell]

In all fairness, Sera and Yuna are ancients; Carbon hair colors have thus far been fairly tame.  And Bleucher doesn't look that green to me.  I see him as a regular dark-haired guy who in old age is just starting to get lighter.

But personally, in the context of anime styles, I don't find any particular hair color that unusual.  I've played enough Fire Emblem and the like to not be bothered by blue, pink, green, etc.

Why, after thousands of years, and hundreds of barely surviving humans on the surface of little islands of land would there be even a chance that anyone would 'remember' who or what Native Americans even are by that time?

So by this logic we cannot have a black character in Legends without memory of Africa?

Nevermind the fact that you are discussing race while we really only have a derivative clothing style (which could just as easily be old west settlers, you know).  Why do we HAVE to keep those cultural inspirations bound within the fourth wall?  Why can we not just dress the character however the hell we want and leave it at that?  Do you honestly think that Sensei, or any of the other artists for that matter, intended for a full rewrite of the heroine's backstory based solely on her appearance?

Every time I see someone who doesn't know what Japanese anime even is would see Naruto or something else anime-like and they usually say, "That looks like Poke'mon!" -  Its annoying, and you are all annoying me right now with that Poke'mon crap.  Its anime, its DASH/Legends, Its unique!  Stop labeling it something its not!

I'm afraid it's rather naive to dismiss an observed similarity as ignorance of Japan's art style.  I watch plenty of anime.  I own plenty of anime DVDs.  None of which are Pokemon (I have only some old VHS tapes).  I look at Komaki's design, and I see a younger Flannery, sorry.

Oh, and "DASH/Legends" is not a singular style in terms of this heroine design contest.  KoiDrake already covered that, but I'll say it again: each artist is drawing in their own style.  If that wasn't apparent then you need to look at the concepts more closely.

[NEO Ness]

So by this logic we cannot have a black character in Legends without memory of Africa?

Color of the skin?  Really?

I didn't say we cant have a darker (even black) character.  Maybe if they were in "African tribes" that would be a COMPLETELY different story.

Her type of clothing has been completely abandoned for thousands of years.  its like someone now-a-days wearing an Aztec or Egyptian outfit everywhere.

Plus the 'Carbons' seem like they barely even know about the past of Earth (Terra?).  So, to know any culture before their time is absurd.  They can barely make a Rocket to go to space, and live on patches of land around the vast oceans.

Even Von Bluecher said on Legends 2 that some people (used to) think that "The Gods lived in the Ruins were the Key's are located".

That can also show that the Carbons were merely a 'reset' stage of humanity after a calamity of some kind, nearly post-apocalyptic.


And me saying "the Knowledge of Native Americans" isn't just the 'physical race', its the culture.

[Protoman Blues]

Are the polls over? Cause I think Komaki's design won.

[KoiDrake]

Color of the skin?  Really?

I didn't say we cant have a darker (even black) character.  Maybe if they were in "African tribes" that would be a COMPLETELY different story.

Her type of clothing has been completely abandoned for thousands of years.  its like someone now-a-days wearing an Aztec or Egyptian outfit everywhere.

Plus the 'Carbons' seem like they barely even know about the past of Earth (Terra?).  So, to know any culture before their time is absurd.  They can barely make a Rocket to go to space, and live on patches of land around the vast oceans.

Even Von Bluecher said on Legends 2 that some people (used to) think that "The Gods lived in the Ruins were the Key's are located".

That can also show that the Carbons were merely a 'reset' stage of humanity after a calamity of some kind, nearly post-apocalyptic.


And me saying "the Knowledge of Native Americans" isn't just the 'physical race', its the culture.

The designers never mentioned anything about native americans, people just assumed that. The girl is just wearing regular clothes and a feather just because it looks cool, nothing more.

[Flame]

Color of the skin?  Really?

I didn't say we cant have a darker (even black) character.  Maybe if they were in "African tribes" that would be a COMPLETELY different story.

Her type of clothing has been completely abandoned for thousands of years.  its like someone now-a-days wearing an Aztec or Egyptian outfit everywhere.

Plus the 'Carbons' seem like they barely even know about the past of Earth (Terra?).  So, to know any culture before their time is absurd.  They can barely make a Rocket to go to space, and live on patches of land around the vast oceans.

Even Von Bluecher said on Legends 2 that some people (used to) think that "The Gods lived in the Ruins were the Key's are located".

That can also show that the Carbons were merely a 'reset' stage of humanity after a calamity of some kind, nearly post-apocalyptic.


And me saying "the Knowledge of Native Americans" isn't just the 'physical race', its the culture.

Your thinking WAY too into this.

Are the polls over? Cause I think Komaki's design won.

Too bad. Komaki's was so generic... >__>

Well, if we're lucky, maybe the 2nd and maybe 3rd place designs will be used somewhere or for something. It would be such a waste to just toss them...

[Fxeni]

Well, if we're lucky, maybe the 2nd and maybe 3rd place designs will be used somewhere or for something. It would be such a waste to just toss them...

It's a common thing in the world of game design to toss away designs (or store them away somewhere for future use). I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't use the others whatsoever.

[Hypershell]

Flame pretty much took the words out of my mouth on both points.  Most definitely I hope the runners-up will see some use, 'cuz there were a lot of good ones.



NEO, I want to elaborate on two things.  First, you were the one who brought up race/skin color, not me.  You did so here:

The Native American girl (who isn't tan?)

You claimed an oddity with her clothes not matching her skin color.

And it's a bit of a tangent, but I maintain that is a poor claim to make in the first place, due to the fact that the clothing style could easily be seen as "old west" rather than "native".

Furthermore, both styles are usually associated with darker tan/leathery colors; you don't see a lot of bright white and blue in either context.  If Sensei's girl walked around in 1885 looking like that, she'd be liable to get shot...or hanged...

Moving on, second point:

Plus the 'Carbons' seem like they barely even know about the past of Earth (Terra?).  So, to know any culture before their time is absurd.

Severe contradiction between that statement and the canon of the series.  The Carbons were artificially created; their language and culture were provided for them (we may assume this is why they speak the same language as the ancients; although their written language is different according to L1).  Their cultural background is whatever their creator(s) decided it was; any progression prior to that point in history is completely irrelevant.

In Legends, there may be less land, but the world's still just as large.  There ought to be room for all manners of people.  For God's sake, if nobody's raising an eyebrow at the mechanical baby functioning as a freaking steam engine, there should be no problem whatsoever with a girl wearing blue laces and a feather.

[NEO Ness]

I already knew that, that is why I stated the Carbons as such and not 'Humans'.

What I said wasn't wrong either, they have no memory past their time. 

Thus, you stating that was of no importance but to use that Darn OBJECTION ON ME AGAIN!

GAH!

 

[Solar]

You take things way too seriously if you get offended when someone objections you.

[NEO Ness]

I was just joking around this time.....  (notice how I didn't cuss...)

[Acid]

You take things way too seriously if you get offended when someone objections you.

Nearly everyone around here does. We just can't help it.

[Hypershell]

I already knew that, that is why I stated the Carbons as such and not 'Humans'.

What I said wasn't wrong either, they have no memory past their time.

Re-read the final sentence of the first paragraph following my OBJECTION!, and you will hopefully realize that I never claimed you ignorant of that fact; I claimed that you failed to follow that fact to its logical conclusion.

I'll try and reiterate as plainly and quickly as possible:  You are incorrect in assuming that the use of any given clothing style requires the knowledge of where that style came from.

[Blackhook]

I can't really tell..noone really objected me

[Zan]

that is why I stated the Carbons as such and not 'Humans'.

Not Humans, not Carbons, not Betas. They're "Decoys", and I can't stress that enough.

[Flame]

whats the difference between "Carbon and "Decoy"? if we are using localized terms?

Shouldnt this just be another "Irregular/Maverick" thing?

[Zan]

A Decoy is a decoy, a Carbon is not a decoy. The meaning of the term is lost entirely.

[Mirby]

I can't really tell..noone really objected me

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?

[Hypershell]

A Decoy is a decoy, a Carbon is not a decoy. The meaning of the term is lost entirely.

I submit that Rockman does not generally use musical attacks.

There is no certainty that the term Decoy is meant to be taken that literally.  "Meaning" is a difficult position to argue when the purpose of these people is unclear and open to much speculation.

I can't really tell..noone really objected me

......

Blackhook, I was hoping to come up with a question as I objected.  I failed to do so.

[Gaia]

Are the polls over? Cause I think Komaki's design won.

It's not really over until Inufaune sings~

America and Japan's picks have been said and done, the final verdict would be the staff themselves. It's all up to them now.

[Zan]

There is no certainty that the term Decoy is meant to be taken that literally.

<Leilei> Decoy?  Is that some kind of jargon?
<Regina> If the meaning is literal, a Decoy is a "decoy".
<Fongling> This planet... decoys on the Earth?  I don't understand.
<Rock> The Decoys... are the humans.

Blackhook, I was hoping to come up with a question as I objected.  I failed to do so.

With that reference, you are supposed to slam your desk, not object.