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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 06:28:25 AM »

I think I got about three posts into reading this thread before figuring it was a lost cause, but...
X5 and X6 were created without Inafune.  Hell, MegaMan was created without Inafune; Inafune was a character designer who joined after some basic idea had already been established.  He just happened to climb the ladder in Capcom and maintain a consistent and long-running involvement with MegaMan.

And if you honestly think that X6 or X8 are worse than X5 or Xtreme1, you need a boot to the head.

You're saying X6, with its horrible level design, is better than X5? Oh man, that's hilarious!

And, yes, Inafune created the Character.

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Gaming / Re: Playstation Network IDs

« on: October 11, 2009, 05:25:13 AM »

Onibokusu

Man, I wish more people used the PSN.

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Gaming / Re: The "What are you currently playing?" Thread

« on: October 11, 2009, 05:23:06 AM »

I'm currently playing 'Marvel Vs. Capcom 2' and 'Professor Layton and Pandora's Box'.

I like both fighting and puzzle games.

Geh, still waiting for Pokemon HG/SS and Ace Attorney Investigations. Damn 2010 release dates.

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Forum Games / Re: Praise the above poster!

« on: October 11, 2009, 05:17:38 AM »

He is being teh seafoodz, which is awesome.

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 05:15:35 AM »

And why are X7 and X8 not canon?

Because they were created without Inafune? All he did was draw up a few characters.

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 05:03:39 AM »

Guys, guys, stop it.

Also, X6-8 are canon. Inafune does not like X6, but he accepted it, deciding that more could be done with the story than ending at 5. (which is a terrible ending point.)

He also was involved in Axl's conception.

Battle and Chase is canon. Just as canon as the Gameboy Megaman games, Xtreme 1, and Xtreme 2. all because you dont like them doesnt mean that makes them non canon.

Rockman Rockman is a remake. just like MHX. what they did, is include "what if" scenarios, which are mind you, entirely optional. the main Megaman story is just what it used to be. all they did, was change the "Wily used to be Light's assistant" part, back to the japanese Megaman 1's story, where Wily never worked with Light at all.

Ahem, X6 can be claimed to be canon, but noy X7 and 8.

I liked the Gameboy games and Xtreme games, but they fit into the story somewhat.

I'm aware they are remakes, but they mess up the story.

And I am well aware of what canon is, when a series of event happens one after the other.

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Off The Wall / Re: Your browser?

« on: October 11, 2009, 04:54:41 AM »

I use Firefox 3.5, since it still seems faster than IE8. Although I have nothing against the other browsers, I just have a lot of add-ons for FF. ;P

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 04:50:57 AM »

Yeah see you claim you don't take it seriously, and yet you made this thread. Not buyin' it, bro.

I was asked to create this thread, don't look at me.

I see myself as right, but I'm not going to sit here and duke it out with a bunch of close minded people. Specially ones who see X6-8, the 3 worst MegaMan games out there, as canon. So, is Battle and Chase canon too now? Let's throw in some RockMan RockMan too.

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 04:43:11 AM »

I can't believe this thread is actually serious!

And I can't believe it's not butter.

If you're just going to say things like that, please leave. What I believe to be canon differs from what you think, because I don't accept every small thing Capcom craps out of its backside as canon, just because they wish to make a cheap buck.

I stopped taking Capcom canon seriously when M.Bison appeared in SF4.

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 04:39:27 AM »

...and just how isn't it?

...You can't be serious, can you?

I'm a X-X5 fan. X6-8 weren't made with direction from Inafune, although Z1 was changed slightly to match up with X6. Doesn't change X giving Zero his Long Sword, which Zero did not use in X6.

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ZX / Re: So, is this series becoming another legends?

« on: October 11, 2009, 04:38:56 AM »

Personally, I think X deserves the fighting game appearance for a bit. Megaman had his in MVC 1 and 2, EXE and Z series Zero had it in Onimusha, and Trigger and Classic Roll in Tatsunoko Vs Capcom. I think X deserves a shot.

And even Tron and the Servbot's got their turn in MVC2, and of course Classic Roll got her 2nd appearence in a fighting game. Roll has been in 3 Vs. Capcom games so far, what makes her so popular (I mean, it's not like she's a good character or anything.).

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 04:35:59 AM »

theres also this.

That's purely visual. I don't see any talking occuring.

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Off The Wall / Re: The Mystery of the Forum Users - Take 4

« on: October 11, 2009, 04:25:45 AM »

Thanks for the welcome.

And when I hit my dick with said hammer, said hammer shatters. 

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 04:22:49 AM »

This is not translation messing with out understanding, rather it can be defined as quite a few negative things with regard to the psyche of certain fans.

Albert created Livemetal Model V.

Ciel needed Livemetal Model V as a basis to create Livemetal of her own.

How does that not make sense?

The soul is data, we're dealing with robots. The soul is a Cyber-Elf is a program is data.

To the latter, I'll remind you of a few simple facts.

-RockmanX was sealing the Dark Elf at the time.
-RockmanX was tired of fighting.
-A regular Repliroid body is significantly different from Livemetal.

It does make sense, but it doesn't mean they biometal's incorperate the souls of the legendary heroes.

If X was so tired of fighting, as he states in Z1, then why would he comply to being a biometal? Why would he help Vent and Aile? This contradicts his personality.

Model H: Hmph. Those humans we fought so hard to protect hundreds of years ago have been lulled into a false sense of security by the empty promise of peace. But I still believe our fight had meaning.

Model P: It is our destiny across the ages to protect the world of Man. Let us once again become humanity's blade for striking down evil.

Everything is fanservice, no exceptions.

Fanservice =/= canon.

And Ciel clearly knew about that battle and protection, after all, she created Copy X, the head of Neo Arcadia.

Seeing as how the people that made the games also made the drama tracks and book, do you even need to ask?

The burden of proof is on your end, not mine.

Seeing as the books were made by Capcom, and not Inte Creates, I see them as fanservice. After all, they tried to sneak in some X8 to the canon by mentioning the Orbital Elevator, which is clearly not canon.
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Posted on: October 11, 2009, 04:15:50

 the Drama tracks ae not fanservice but expansions things they later decide to improve, and or add to the story. by that logic, things such as expansion pacts and DLs for games are as well, since they are intended to expand content.

By that logic the Pokemon Special Manga is canon. >.>

X Cant really do much when he's a floating head, now can he.if you mean the Big 4's biometals, yes. If you mean the Big 4 themselves, no. theyve been around since before she was even born. She does not know the intimate details that the biometals know.

The biometals reveal no intimate details, if you've already forgotten. And no, I did not mean them, themselves.

then why is it called a "SOURCE" book

Because Capcom wished for sales.

X has not touched that body since he sealed Dark elf the previous century. X sacrificed his body to seal dark elf. Half of Dark Elf is within his body, and half was within the giant sphere behind it.

If he had assimilated with that body, had half the Dark Elf not been inside, he would have still been alive.

X begs to disagree.

X, there, is also a hologram produced by his cyberelf.

A replid is vastly different than a robot from the classic series. they are human enough to have details that cannot simply be copied. hence why the only was a reploid can be resurrected Legally in the X series is if their control chip is still intact. if it is not, then you need to preform a DNA resurrection, which is highly illegal.

A robot in the classic series is a robot. A Reploid is a replica based on the design of X. Zero was neither, so his constant "resurrections" are a mystery.

in the Zero/ZX series, with the discovery of Reploid cyber elf souls, it makes the process much easier than using their DNA.
for gameplay reasons.

However, when a cyber elf is used, it dies.

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 04:06:44 AM »

derrrrr

"Told".

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 03:58:47 AM »

Yes, I asked you to come here.

Anyway. first off, the soundtrack is not fanservice, they deliberately added the drama tracks to expand on what they had in game. Phantom WAS originally just a bonus with no story relevance. the Drama tracks expanded upon that, and made him story relevant.

No, if it was fanservice, it stays as fanservice.

also, how can you say their personalities dont match? Model X reacts to Vent and Ailes bravery in protecting Prairie even thouh they didnt even know her. That is definitely an X trait.

If I remember correctly, so did Model A. And, no, that is not a trait of X. If X had wanted to protect them, it would've been a trait of X.

Model Z is distant, and self sacrificial, as well as cold logical (so to speak)

Model P is all mysterious phrases and clever dialogue. "in the end he drowned in his own power... What a fitting end for one who desired it so badly..."

and so on.

And Ciel created the Big 4.

plus they do have memories, they directly reference the battle against Weil 200 years ago. Model H references it when you defeat Hivolt.

also, prairie mentions the "consciousness of legendary heroes" "Souls" in the japanese version.

Hm, if I was Ciel I could easily reference that battle myself. After all, Zero survives the battle with Omega after the Guardians sacrifice themselves.

ad complete wors is not fanservice, it is a compilation of the artwork accumulated from the game. most of it is used ingame, and some of it is from the game's development. it has interviews with Inticreates themselves.

No, that is clearly a work of fanservice.

and it was area F (I think) it was the fozen lake, not a underground cave.

Located underground.

once again, X did not go away in Z2, he is in Z3. he is an integral part of the story in Z3, protecting resistance base when Weil uses Omega with the Dark Elf to brainwash all the reploids on earth. X appears when resistance soldiers attack Zero and Ciel, and disables Weils control, setting up a protection around the base. He gives the the coordinates fof Weil's base at the end, as well. He is also present when you defeat Copy X, noting that Copy X was used by Weil. He also tells Ciel the truth about Zero and Omega. (the fact that Omega is in possession of Zero's body, and Zero's current body is a copy of his original one. )

Yes, but X's armour is destroyed in Z2.

in Z4, Zero died. thats it. he died. but his Soul/cyber elf, ended up in Cyberspace, along with X and Phantom, and then later, the retconned 3 remaining guardians as well.

Yes, he dies. The cyber elf/soul idea is complete theory.

Ciel devoted herself to finding Zero, and studied Weils area of expertise, which is reploid resurrection when Model W was found and she sealed the core, she made X, Z, H,L,F, and P. using Weil's techniques of ressurection, she extrcted their souls from Cyberspace, and revived them as Biometals. what she did do, and you are right about this, is she created them using the data she had gained from studying the Model W fragment, which is, the R.O.C.K. system. (MEGA system in the localized version) she used the biometal technology gleamed from W, to create the Biometal "bodies". but they do have their original souls in them.

This method of "resurrection", if you can call it this, dates all the way back to Wily. It is merely when you keep backups and copies of the original, Sigma did it as well. It's a clever way of trying to explain the boss rush's, but it doesn't mean it is some explicit plot device.

Also, everything right there sound way to convient. Why didn't she just extract Zero's "soul" from cyberspace and place him in another body? Why didn't she just do that for the original X? Why not the Big 4 as well?

Also, Ciel did not create Model W. This man did.

Ah, I forgot about that a--hole. But, hey, I never deied that Model W wasn't created from a "soul". After all, I already knew that Model W was created by parts of Weil and Ragnarok. And since Weil was human, there is no way his "soul" could become data. That's the only truth I see here, all the rest are fabrications created by Ciel.

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 03:42:35 AM »

And I was forced to use the research on Model W as a basis for constructing the other two models.

"Forced". Let me direct you to this word. If Ciel created Model W from scratch, now why did she have to use her research on Model W to created Biometal's Z and X? This makes no sense and doesn't follow simple logic. If Ciel was able to create W from scratch, then she should have been able to do the same for X and Z.

Specifically, she did have access to the data on Legendary Heroes, the "data" being their soul/spirit.  The one thing she did not understand were the workings of the Livemetal's R.O.C.K. system in regards to the chosen ones.

No, I wouldn't designate "data" as "soul/spirit". If Ciel did have this, she would have never of created Copy X. After all, data on X from the Maverick and Elf War's was available as far back as Zero 2.

He's still alive. Vile's Incident shows him. And being completely dead never stopped anybody in this series from resurrecting.

I don't take this as truth, as Vile's Incident is just fanservice.

The ZERO-series can only account for two years after the ending of ZERO4. Not one hundred years after ZERO4. Considering the original "Zero" is happily trying to kill people in Area N, that statement is flawed by default.

We are not talking about Omega here, do not try to steer this somewhere else.

I specifically recall them telling me how they fought against that man that created Ragnarok hundreds of years ago.

I specifically remember how that conversation was extremely lacking in details.

Funny how that works, the company that makes the game disagrees with this.

Oh, is this right? And can you back this?

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Off The Wall / Re: The Mystery of the Forum Users - Take 4

« on: October 11, 2009, 03:32:34 AM »

Hey there, I am Oni. I was invted here by Flame to dicuss some thing here, instead of on Youtube.

I have been a long time MegaMan fan, however. I've played every single MegaMan game to date, well, except MM6 and MMX8. Yes, I even played that shoddy MMEXE4.5 and MMNT.  I've also watched the original American MegaMan series (I did join the bandwagon and create a parody opening, as seen here), the MMEXE anime and some of the Star Force anime (although it didn't interest me as much).

The last MegaMan game I played would have to have been MegaMan Star Force 3: Red Joker. I'd have to say I did enjoy it.

Also, yes. I am a bad enough dude to hit my own dick with a hammer. xD

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ZX / ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero

« on: October 11, 2009, 03:17:52 AM »

There, I typed it. Model's X and Z were not created from the "souls" (cyber elves) of X and Zero, but instead were made from Model W's source at the crash location of Ragnarok, by Ciel.

Ciel says it herself in the translated script of ZX, when you as Model ZX traverse to a cave-like area researching details about Model W. The source data/cyber elves/souls for the legendary heroes X and Zero could not be found, so the power used to created Model W was also used to create Model's X and Z.

"Well, why aren't they evil?" You ask. Who ever said something fabricated needed to have the same personality of the original? All it takes is a genius with the ability to create to make a powerful cyber elf from Model W's source, and then create a biometal from it. Ciel was the one who originally fabricated X, wasn't she? We got that dastardly reploid known as Copy X from it.

Ciel never met with nor conversed with the original X before he left in Zero 2. His cyber elf data was long gone before the end of Zero 4. Zero, nor his cyber elf, were ever found, as is shown after the credits in Zero 4. Ciel, however, is able to easily replicate ever single reploid she ever created or studied. To say that every BioMetal is actually a fabrication created by Ciel isn't such a long shot, after all, the personalities of the biometal's do not match up with their Zero counterparts, nor do they show any signs of having memories. Like Inafune did in Zero 2, there would have been a major revelation if the BioMetal's were actually created by the legendary heroes.

And, no. No amount of fanservice from any Complete Works book or Soundtrack insert changes this. Why? Because it is simply fanservice. Other works such as radio-screenplays and written books do not count either. Why? Because they aren't part of the canon. Interviews with Inafune do count, however, as he is the original creator and the head of Inte Creates.

And, also, don't judge on post count. After all, one of your beloved members of 6000+ posts asked me to come here.