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Waifu · **Reply #925 on:** May 14, 2011, 06:35:35 PM

What is the point of depowering heroes in some stories?

Pyro · **Reply #926 on:** June 01, 2011, 12:15:51 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-05-31-dc-comics-reinvents_n.htm

I don't know if I'm reading this correctly but it appears that DC Comics is apparently doing a complete reboot of all its titles. A Johns-penned and a Lee-penciled Justice League sounds enticing but why do I have the feeling that DC is yanking my chain yet again?

Protoman Blues · **Reply #927 on:** June 01, 2011, 12:21:07 AM

I had a feeling this was coming after Flashpoint. I just hope it doesn't screw too much with everything. If I were a guessing man, I'd say this is Johns' further attempt to make a more cohesive, canon DCU. He's already revamped GL, Supes, & now the Flash, so he's probably gonna use this to fix everyone in one fell swoop. I doubt he'll touch those three or what's currently happening in Batman, but everything & everyone else is up for grabs.

Pyro · **Reply #928 on:** June 01, 2011, 12:34:34 AM

I'm kind of scratching my head and asking "why?"

Maybe I'm simply fatigued after previous attempts to revitalize the DCU after One Year Later, Countdown (cue shutter), Final Crisis, Blackest Night/Brightest Day, and now Flashpoint.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #929 on:** June 01, 2011, 02:49:43 AM

Well Blackest Night/Brightest Day wasn't a revamp, just a big event.

Posted on: June 01, 2011, 01:02:24

...okay, I'm kinda happy now!

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* A new title starring Superman written by Grant Morrison.
* Birds of Prey #1 - This new ongoing series will not feature the work of longtime "BoP" writer Gail Simone. In fact, many tried and true approaches to books will be getting a second look at DC in September.

* Teen Titans #1 - The new start for the teen team will be written by "Red Robin" scribe Fabian Nicieza.

* Justice Society of America #1 - Only one of a number of current titles that will welcome a creative team shift, the future of the original superhero team will apparently not involve current writer Marc Guggenheim.

* Wonder Woman #1 - Don't expect the recent changes from writer J. Michael Straczynski to stick when the Amazing Amazon sees another new #1 hit.

* Green Lantern #1 - Even with a new #1, Green Lantern remains in Johns' hands, and readers can expect the effects of major crossovers like "Blackest Night" to stay in place moving forward.

* Hawkman #1 - While fans have known a "Hawkman" series by James Robinson has been in the works since the writer mentioned it on a panel at New York Comic Con, Bleeding Cool's Rich Johnston has been reporting the rumor that the book will be drawn by "Batman & Robin" and "Outsiders" artist Philip Tan.

* Aquaman #1 - No surprises here. The already announced series featuring the sea king by Johns and Ivan Reis will be part of the relaunch wave.

Morrison doing Superman = PB EXTREMELY HAPPY

Pyro · **Reply #930 on:** June 02, 2011, 08:52:58 PM

That takes some of the sting out but I like love Paul Cornell's take on Supes.

Posted on: May 31, 2011, 06:05:41 PM

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/02/the-new-justice/

Some new titles announced, with Gail Simone and Ethan Van Sciver writing Fury of Firestorm? Oh [tornado fang] yeah! If it's anything like All-New Atom then I know it's going to be really good.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #931 on:** June 02, 2011, 08:56:06 PM

Yeah I saw that. A lot have me pretty excited. However, Tony Daniels WRITING Hawkman just makes me sad.

Pyro · **Reply #932 on:** June 02, 2011, 08:58:47 PM

Didn't James Robinson say that he was going to pen Hawkman after Brightest Day? I wonder what happened.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #933 on:** June 02, 2011, 09:03:48 PM

Me too. I was looking forward to a Robinson Hawkman. Daniels though? If his Batman writing is any showing of his skills, the man should stick to art. I'm curious what Manipul does with The Flash though.

Ramzal · **Reply #934 on:** June 03, 2011, 01:51:04 AM

On the Spider-man frontier, I like both directions for 616 and Ultimate.

616 pretty much robbed Peter for his Spider-sense. Causing him to lose in hand to hand fights against people like--well, Jessica Drew (Spider-woman), but instead of having him get needlessly ass-pounded, Shang-Chi has been training him to fight. I shouldn't have to say how awesome that is to any Marvel fan seeing as how Shang-Chi is about top game when it comes to hand to hand combat.

Ultimate is running the "Death of Spider-man" arc. And while people are complaining about what happened (I won't spoil it unless asked.) It shows what makes Spider-man worth the title of "Hero." Rather than "hey! He has super-powers" or "Look at him punch that guy." It shows how far he's really willing to go for the sake of the people he cares about, which is done a lot in the 616 but Ultimate, it's a "What does Peter do AFTER someone's been hurt?"

I'm impressed on the righting in Ultimate more though.

Waifu · **Reply #935 on:** June 03, 2011, 05:49:39 AM

Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?

Rin · **Reply #936 on:** June 03, 2011, 08:17:49 AM

Quote from: Sakura Matou on June 03, 2011, 05:49:39 AM

Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?

Your question is kinda stupid, you know? I mean... isn't it obvious? They depower them because often it can provide a great concept for a story. Or because they want to get rid of some character (for a time). They depower them when they become too powerful, too.

That's all there is to it. Really.

Gotham Ranger · **Reply #937 on:** June 03, 2011, 08:58:25 AM

Quote from: Sakura Matou on June 03, 2011, 05:49:39 AM

Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?

Superman.

That's all that needs to be said.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #938 on:** June 03, 2011, 09:43:44 AM

Quote from: Ramzal on June 03, 2011, 01:51:04 AM

On the Spider-man frontier, I like both directions for 616 and Ultimate.

616 pretty much robbed Peter for his Spider-sense. Causing him to lose in hand to hand fights against people like--well, Jessica Drew (Spider-woman), but instead of having him get needlessly ass-pounded, Shang-Chi has been training him to fight. I shouldn't have to say how awesome that is to any Marvel fan seeing as how Shang-Chi is about top game when it comes to hand to hand combat.

Ultimate is running the "Death of Spider-man" arc. And while people are complaining about what happened (I won't spoil it unless asked.) It shows what makes Spider-man worth the title of "Hero." Rather than "hey! He has super-powers" or "Look at him punch that guy." It shows how far he's really willing to go for the sake of the people he cares about, which is done a lot in the 616 but Ultimate, it's a "What does Peter do AFTER someone's been hurt?"

I'm impressed on the righting in Ultimate more though.

I'm not happy that he lost his Spider-Sense, but having Shang-Chi train him is pretty awesome. Even when he gets his Spider-Sense back, there's no reason for him not to train with him. Slott has good issues and bad issues. He can't write the FF for the life of him, but he's not bad at writing Spidey.

Ultimate Spidey has been excellent, and I have been enjoying it thus far. I'm curious how the Death of Spider-Man arc will be resolved.

Quote from: Sakura Matou on June 03, 2011, 05:49:39 AM

Can anyone tell me what is the point depowering superheroes? Why do comicbook writers depower superheroes depsite having superpowers from different sources?

Depends on the story. Some stories do it well. Others, like JLA: Act of God, do it so poorly that it's unreadable.

Quote from: Gotham Ranger on June 03, 2011, 08:58:25 AM

Superman.

That's all that needs to be said.

Pre-Crisis Superman anyway!

Tri Hex · **Reply #939 on:** June 03, 2011, 08:05:49 PM

Anybody reading Fear Itself?[spoiler]Bucky's death

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Fxeni · **Reply #940 on:** June 13, 2011, 04:32:36 AM

Not too sure if I like the new look they've given Superman. Maybe I'll grow to like it, but for now... eh.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #941 on:** June 13, 2011, 05:35:41 AM

I'm surprised they've kept it for as long as they have, but yeah I'll miss it.

Flame · **Reply #942 on:** June 13, 2011, 06:25:31 AM

I kinda like Supergirl's new design, and Im definitely going to need to get used to Superman's new one. Its just too weird seeing him without his red undies.

Waifu · **Reply #943 on:** June 14, 2011, 06:22:09 PM

Comic Book Death why? If you are going to kill off a character then make sure he stays dead.

Rin · **Reply #944 on:** June 14, 2011, 07:24:38 PM

Quote from: Sakura Matou on June 14, 2011, 06:22:09 PM

Comic Book Death why? If you are going to kill off a character then make sure he stays dead.

Good God...

You're forgetting (or are simply ignorant of the fact), that cape comics are an almost endless stream of endless endlessness. By which I mean, that they are going to go on forever. So unless a reboot happens (DURR DC), if they started killing off characters for good... they would have to come up with completely new ones, not to mention "shake up" the status quo.
And that's a [tornado fang]ing impossibility.
Because:

1. Iron Man, Spiderman and other characters like these cannot die (for long) because their [parasitic bomb] (no matter how [parasitic bomb]) sells.
2. Shaking up Status Quo? AHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah right, maybe in a different dimension.
3. THEY ARE ALL LAZY ASSHOLES!

That's (more or less) how it looks, though I might be a bit wrong about something.

Keep in mind this state of affairs is usually present only in cape comics.
Besides, you're talking like it never happens in manga/anime. Pfft.

Waifu · **Reply #945 on:** June 15, 2011, 04:26:08 AM

^ $:\$

Maybe it doesn't occur solely in superhero comics but still they shouldn't try and kill off characters if they are just oging to revive them back. It is jsut bad writing and its only good for shock value.

Rin · **Reply #946 on:** June 15, 2011, 08:35:33 AM

Quote from: Sakura Matou on June 15, 2011, 04:26:08 AM

^ $:\$

Maybe it doesn't occur solely in superhero comics but still they shouldn't try and kill off characters if they are just oging to revive them back. It is jsut bad writing and its only good for shock value.

Well, I never said this kind of thing was GOOD writing.
In fact, you're absolutely right. IT IS bad WRITING.

Align · **Reply #947 on:** June 28, 2011, 11:38:07 PM

I think there's a joke about blunt metaphors trauma somewhere in here.

Pyro · **Reply #948 on:** July 13, 2011, 11:56:25 PM

Did anyone catch the end of Green Lantern #67? I have to say that I kind of expected it but my interest in the title is renewed.

...and is it me, or would anyone else not seeing the Guardians or the Universe dead? I swear these guys pose more a danger to the universe due to their own stupidity, ineptness, and inability to learn from their mistakes after billions of years.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #949 on:** July 14, 2011, 12:12:16 AM

Haven't read it yet. Gotta pick up my books tomorrow after work.

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