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Protoman Blues · **Reply #24400 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:05:30 AM

Oh yeah, I need to update that! PBPB needs to see how PB is doing.

Sakura Leic · **Reply #24401 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:06:04 AM

Oh dear I hope I don't have to edit my part.

Quote from: Quickman on May 06, 2013, 08:05:05 AM

Oddly enough, this all stemmed from when I showed him that pic of Mewtwo playing chess against GLaDOS. He said he would have preferred if Chell spoke in Portal 2.

He can't appreciate GLaDOS and Wheatley enough? Or the Space Core?

Quickman · **Reply #24402 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:09:57 AM

Earlier today, I had commented on how I really like the articulated figma stands, and then my friend mentioned how very easily I could turn Darth Mewtwo into a viable SW fan character, and we started running through possible species (albino Squib was an option), and then in the same breath, he implied how he doesn't think adults should like Pokemon.

Hypocrisy, much?

Sakura Leic · **Reply #24403 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:11:10 AM

I want to head desk, despite the fact I shouldn't care about this at all. $:\$

ViperAcidZX · **Reply #24404 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:11:24 AM

Quote from: Quickman on May 06, 2013, 07:37:40 AM

When friends make me sad, it... well... makes me sad. $:\$

The thing is, if he ever wants to get into making game mods, he should learn the history behind the technology, explore older games that were considered innovative during their time due to their technological advances, and realize the amount of work that goes into making a great game.

Our latest argument was about the silent protagonist. He'd rather his player character speak. I'd rather not. He says that a silent protagonist impedes good storytelling. I say that it's a challenge to overcome. Obviously, those old retro games with the great stories and silent protagonists don't mean a thing compared to his beloved Far Cry.

Sucks for him. BioShock 1, a game from 2007, has a protagonist that only had one spoken line the entire game -- the introduction scene right before the plane crashes in the middle of the Atlanic Ocean near Rapture. The rest of the game, Jack is completely mute (aside from some pain grunts). BioShock Infinite's protagonist, Booker DeWitt, broke the silent (and faceless) protagonist trend of the previous two games. I'm willing to bet he doesn't know or acknowledges that before BioShock, there was System Shock, series' spiritual ancestor that started out as a cyberpunk FPS-RPG horror game with Doom-like graphics. Don't get me wrong about BioShock Infinite though, I so freaking want to buy this game from all the praises I've been hearing about.

If I could get away with it, I'd smash his PS3 (and maybe his computer if it's a high-end rig and set him up with a weak Windows XP rig) and make him play some classic games. I got Genesis covered (but no Sega CD, it's the Model 3 Genesis that ditched CD support), but I would need with some games and other hardware.

Quote from: Sakura Leic on May 06, 2013, 07:40:02 AM

Force him to play Mother 3, or watch an entire play though. If he doesn't cry at the end I don't know what to say.

[spoiler=MOTHER 3]When that wife died early on in that game, I was in tears, and not often any of today's recent games does that to me.[/spoiler]

I need to learn to stop typing like this with my Wii/360... /wii

Sakura Leic · **Reply #24405 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:12:33 AM

Quote from: ViperAcidZX on May 06, 2013, 08:11:24 AM

I need to learn to stop typing like this with my Wii/360... /wii

I know that feel bro, I know that feel.

Quickman · **Reply #24406 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:15:09 AM

Oh well. Next time one of those stupid arguments start brewing, I'll just say that we agree to disagree and change the subject. I don't mind debating with friends and love a rousing nerd debate, but I hate arguing with friends.

Phi · **Reply #24407 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:17:07 AM

Quote from: Protoman Blues on May 06, 2013, 08:02:38 AM

If anything, too much dialog can ruin storytelling.

It depends on what genre you're referring to.

Ace Attorney is bursting with dialog, and it has one of the best forms of storytelling I've seen in a game. Same could be said for 999 and VLR (although those two are primarily visual novels, with puzzles thrown in to make it truely playable).

Sakura Leic · **Reply #24408 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:17:41 AM

Quote from: Quickman on May 06, 2013, 08:15:09 AM

Oh well. Next time one of those stupid arguments start brewing, I'll just say that we agree to disagree and change the subject. I don't mind debating with friends and love a rousing nerd debate, but I hate arguing with friends.

Especially something as stupid as this. It's why I try to avoid talking about Final Fantasy or Nintendo Consoles with my best friend. $:\$

Protoman Blues · **Reply #24409 on:** May 06, 2013, 08:20:11 AM

Quote from: Phi on May 06, 2013, 08:17:07 AM

It depends on what genre you're referring to.

Ace Attorney is bursting with dialog, and it has one of the best forms of storytelling I've seen in a game. Same could be said for 999 and VLR (although those two are primarily visual novels, with puzzles thrown in to make it truely playable).

It makes sense in those type of games. The action/sci-fi genre are sometimes best serves with no dialog at times. Hell, same with romance as well. A good scene should speak for itself.

If you want to use gaming as an example, the end credits of Twilight Princess are a great example between Midna & Link before Midna goes back into the Twilight Realm.

Amatiramisu · **Reply #24410 on:** May 06, 2013, 09:59:57 AM

The next time someone brings up a negative opinion of silent protagonists, I'm just going to slap a copy of Skyward Sword, Half-Life 2, and Dishonored into their face.

White-Jet · **Reply #24411 on:** May 06, 2013, 10:06:02 AM

You're forgetting Crono Trigger and the entire Suikoden series save III.

Police Girl · **Reply #24412 on:** May 06, 2013, 11:53:44 AM

Quote from: ViperAcidZX on May 06, 2013, 08:11:24 AM

Words

I thought bioshock 2 had you playing as a big brother.
Not exactly faceless, and voiceless is a goven.

Also, eww Genesis 3. Get a 2 at least (Model 1's are the best though. Too bad mine has a shot sound chip.)

Quickman · **Reply #24413 on:** May 06, 2013, 11:55:44 AM

...Why am I still awake? Sun is up, it's bedtime.

Fxeni · **Reply #24414 on:** May 06, 2013, 11:57:20 AM

To each their own I guess, but I'd have to agree that having a silent protagonist does not ruin a game by any means.

Police Girl · **Reply #24415 on:** May 06, 2013, 01:17:24 PM

Quote from: Fox McCloud on May 06, 2013, 11:57:20 AM

To each their own I guess, but I'd have to agree that having a silent protagonist does not ruin a game by any means.

There are other things that truly ruin games.
Like bad music, annoying characters, bad story, awful gameplay, graphics that impede gameplay or aren't very clear (2D games mostly), and of course broken features.

Mr. Haxwell · **Reply #24416 on:** May 06, 2013, 03:07:21 PM

Going to login from a Laptop, since my PC wants to drag my day to nothingness, I'd rather work on a more convenient machine.

Sakura Leic · **Reply #24417 on:** May 06, 2013, 05:57:00 PM

Oh god the Econ class has been canceled and the Mid Term has been moved to next Monday. SO HAPPY!

Police Girl · **Reply #24418 on:** May 06, 2013, 06:03:25 PM

My head is hurting.

This sucks.

Sakura Leic · **Reply #24419 on:** May 06, 2013, 06:04:17 PM

Yeah my head is hurting now too, it must be hunger.

Rin · **Reply #24420 on:** May 06, 2013, 06:07:13 PM

It's quite hot over here.

It beats cold any day of the week, but [parasitic bomb].

Sakura Leic · **Reply #24421 on:** May 06, 2013, 06:09:57 PM

It's been switching back and forth for a while now. I kinda expected more heat to be honest.

ViperAcidZX · **Reply #24422 on:** May 07, 2013, 01:58:14 AM

Some good and bad news surfaced recent concerning Zone of the Enders.

Good news: Konami finally acknowleges the complaints about the frame-rate problems and such in Z.O.E HD Collection , PS3 version especially, and they're working on a patch to fix that.

Bad news: Because of these problems, "Enders Project" is gonna be hold because Kojima Productions has to re-work the entire HD Collection from scratch to fix these problems. Thanks, High-Voltage Studios. They also mentioned the 360 version's of this patch isn't being worked on at the moment. This better become "we're not gonna fix it at all" later.

VixyNyan · **Reply #24423 on:** May 07, 2013, 02:20:33 AM

I didn't have any issues with the HD Collection. ^^ But then again, I was speeding through it really quick.

ViperAcidZX · **Reply #24424 on:** May 07, 2013, 02:43:18 AM

I still have no idea how the 360 version is compared to PS2 originals, and for me it sucks because I'm still missing out on a game that I should have gotten MONTHS ago. And shouldn't be fair to fix the 360 version too in case High-Voltage left any discrepancies?

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