Topic: The End Has Come...

[Girla PurpleHeart]

So wait, does this mean it'll be a law soon? Even the bill has fully passed, the Prime Minister might be able to veto it by April, but I'm not really dunno much about the politics in Japan areas.

[Aresian]

Well... I've heard stupider [parasitic bomb] before. Like legalizing pot. Gotta be the dumbest [parasitic bomb] I've ever heard in my life. Oh wait, that's politics... but that's also my opinion. I'm not discussing my opinion, so shove it.

Irregardless, you can still get your goods online and you all know it, this doesn't stop any of us denizens of the net. The only people it really effects is artists in Japan. Unless you are an artist in Japan... I doubt this is a problem for you. *shrugs* So, go homophobic Governor guy who I surprisingly understand! Go forth and fight for your wacky ideals and censorship that really changes nothing in the long run!

However, in retrospect, I await for the other party to fight against this. Because as stated, there is still time to stop this. While Japan isn't Americana, I'm pretty sure someone has something to say. Someone ALWAYS has something to say. And people who have something to say, open their fat mouths.

Look at Shintaro Ishihara after all.

[The Great Gonzo]

GOD [tornado fang]ing DAMMIT

[Gaia]

GOD [tornado fang]ing DAMMIT

Yep, expect a "moom! They are doing something bad again" plot from japan real soon. Or at least hentai manga movin' underground, as like with most manga are in the US.

[Aresian]

"I dunno about [tornado fang]'d, but it is a shame.
The road ahead is bound to be an interesting one. Will there be a sudden increase in anime with good writing? Is the industry REALLY floating on the sales from sex-related anime/manga/merch/etc.? Things have been shook up, and I'm confident only the strongest in the industry will pull through to the end.
Try to look for the positives in everything."

This. Because honestly, that's a better way to look at it, instead of looking at it with your wang still.

Of course, you'll still be able to get your porn, per the usual. So let the old codger have his win. He can feel like he beat the "homos" one more time before he kicks the bucket in the next five or ten years. Every dog gets his day, right?

I'd personally like to see all the hentai stop drawing and writing with their roosters and start writing with their brains. Or at least a good majority. People can actually think! I've seen it! Of course, then there are people who honestly don't want to and devote their existence to porn... well, I guess kudos to you. Everyone has to fap to something. You'll find a way, so worry less I guess.

[Solar]

It's not even affecting hentai at all, that's always being adults only for extremely obvious reasons.

I'd wait to see what actually happens before over reacting like some people already have.

[Aresian]

It's not even affecting hentai at all, that's always being adults only for extremely obvious reasons.

I'd wait to see what actually happens before over reacting like some people already have.

That has pretty much been my whole point. The H ain't going anywhere.

Never has, never will. I think everyone has come to terms with this knowledge a long time ago. But everyone wants to get their splooge into everything else. That is how [tornado fang]'d up stuff like Panty and Stocking come to pass. *shrugs* So I'm curious to see what happens myself.

Though again, sometimes I can't blame the crazy old guy if he's seen some of the stuff I've seen, for being disturbed at his country. Especially others for that matter. But hey, that's me.

[The Great Gonzo]

Hey, Mr. Fence--I, at least, am not thinking with my wang. (Properly it'd be "thinking with my vag", since I'm a woman) It's not "oh noez, no more porn!" I'm worried about, it's the stifling of creativity.

The law's wording is so vague that anything could be blocked by it, and some publishers won't know until they're humiliated publicly. (And, honestly, doesn't this seem more characteristic of China or North Korea?) I don't think even the Comics Code Authority stooped to such lows.

Oh, and Ishihara? I hear he wrote a book that contains [twin slasher] AND LOTS OF IT, and quite possibly glorifies that act of violence--two things not allowed under the ban. The man is a [tornado fang]ing hypocrite, and he most likely wrote this thing not because hentai/borderline-hentai was being distributed to minors (or some moral-panic crap like that), but because he hates otaku, homosexuals, foreigners, manga-ka, and anyone else not voting for him.

[Aresian]

Haha, the guy is completely nuts under my standards, don't get me wrong. But then, most people are completely nuts under my standards. Guy wrote a lot of books, so I cannot be bothered to READ a lot of his books. Until I read all of his books... or any of his books for that matter, out of fairness, I cannot refute nor thumb up that comment.

Just saying.

The law is indeed vague. I'd want someone to explain it to me too. They clearly are not going to... there's a reason for this. I knew from the start that it was a ploy. They did something like this in America not too long ago... I think. I could be wrong though... but hey. Politics, it's evil, it's also cute in that obnoxious way. And when I say cute, I mean in the way that makes you want to beat it with an ugly stick.

That said, I applaud you with thinking with more than your genitals. At the end of the day, we can still freely use our creativity, we just can't always express it. I realize I'm a minority though. I use my creativity all the time, I just keep my creativity to myself. Unless I'm trolling people. On RPM. Which I keep to a minimum now, since you guys hate me so much

Err, getting a bit off topic in this post of mine... my point is, I'm not so quick to jump the hurdles because of the fact that this may or may not be the greatest evil known to man... for Japan.

[Setsuna F. Seiei]

This law doesn't mean a thing and it only applies to Tokyo. And also AFAIK mainly to said loli [twin slasher] etc material being aimed/sold towards minors.

And topic title was misleading. I was expecting a HakuMen reference.

[Aresian]

This law doesn't mean a thing and it only applies to Tokyo. And also AFAIK mainly to said loli [twin slasher] etc material being aimed/sold towards minors.

And topic title was misleading. I was expecting a HakuMen reference.

Are you gonna use GUNDAMU to make everyone understand? Use some GN particles so that everyone stops going nuts!

[The Great Gonzo]

This law doesn't mean a thing and it only applies to Tokyo.

Tell that to everyone living in Tokyo who's still reeling from this.

And also AFAIK mainly to said loli [twin slasher] etc material being aimed/sold towards minors.

Wouldn't the more sensible thing be to punish all the distributors who willingly gave that [parasitic bomb] to minors?

[Aresian]

Wouldn't the more sensible thing be to punish all the distributors who willingly gave that [parasitic bomb] to minors?

Sadly, it doesn't always work that way. Sometimes you gotta nip stuff in the bud. Stopping the distributors doesn't completely stop people from giving pot to kids. (or anyone for that matter. I don't think anyone should have it. No double standards crap there) It is so much easier to go after the bastards that grow it. *shrugs* Same thing here... not that I'm implying they're doing anything just or not. I'm rather neutral on the situation myself.

The Old Codger really just represents old-land Japan. The one that went nuts from when the bombs fell. And well, I don't blame him for being off in the head after that. Not that any of that is an excuse either. But that's another political pie we won't touch at RPM, I'm sure. I know I won't.

In a non-political sense, it is like going after the people that sell alcohol to minors... if you arrest one person, kids will find someone else to buy you some alcohol. If girls want something that is... unobtainable for them, they can still obtain it via Enjo kōsai after all. *shrugs* Just gotta find someone who is lonely. Plenty of salarymen who are at the brink of their breaking point, or far beyond it.

[The Great Gonzo]

I'd like to think that after the distributors are dealt with, it's up to the parents to keep that material out of their kids' hands. It would be tough, but it'd be worth it...

buuuuut I'll bet that's not how it actually works either, is it?

Still, this is just horrible. At best, it'll just be 18th Amendment: The Sequel (doesn't work for [parasitic bomb], soon repealed); at worst, it'll actually work. I see lots of people and publishers moving out of Tokyo in the future.

[Girla PurpleHeart]

I'll just go ahead and repost this from the comment I made from deviantART:

I don't see the point why people whine about this? Even though Tokyo is a big city, it's pretty rare to see some crimes in different areas or locations in that town. I think the reason why they did this is because they have to protect children from harm and have to see violence and nudity in some Anime. The one thing I'm worried about is that they might not show Sailor Moon because it contains some fan service and nudity, and they might mark them as 18+. If they do that, they might as well create an rating system for both Anime and Manga (ex: TV-PG (For Anime) and R-12+ (For Manga)) like they did in the US.

Also, please don't say that Hentai is going to get banned, these are not affected by this Bill. This bill prevents children from buying mature materials that isn't suitable for them. We've been there, done that in the past, but Hentai isn't going to die. This only affects the "fan service" in Anime that has been showing for children (and probably teens).

[Flame]

Now, when it comes to anime and manga, (mainly anime) Its true. It's all fan service, ecchi, and cutesy cutesy I just vomited a rainbow these days.

And thats the majority of what comes here. with a few buried gems in the mass. I like to think I dont think with my Z saber. I mean, if I want hentai or ecchi, I'll just go to Gelbooru. When I watch an anime, while the OCCASIONAL fanservice anime is alright, I prefer anime with reason beyond pantyshots. Im especially put off when a reasonably good manga gets decay-adapted into a fanservice anime. (Im lookin' at you, Rosario+Vampire..)

If this somehow affects that, then perhaps It wont be so bad. Or maybe it wont affect it at all, and simply change the age rating on those animes. (which wont make a difference anyway; Theres more than one way to obtain something you can't be sold normally.)

Only time will tell.

since you guys hate me so much

Aww, not at all.

[The Great Gonzo]

I think the reason why they did this is because they have to protect children from harm and have to see violence and nudity in some Anime.

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I'll just paraphrase what another fellow said on dA.

I am not saying rampant fanservice is a good thing. However, shutting children off from the outside world (in a sense) and making it illegal for them to try to see said outside world?

Bad. Very, very, very bad. Nobody who's been sheltered all their life (by parents or by media) just magically knows how to handle seeing violence, nudity/sex, and other things upon reaching legal age.


and I don't think it counts as whining when we have legitimate concerns about what this will do to Tokyo.

[Flame]

Its already bad enough on US TV. Where things like violence and death, or God forbid...GASP- relationships in kids shows is shunned, or at least the IDEA is there. (which results in the crap 4kids does to anime.)

[Girla PurpleHeart]

Its already bad enough on US TV. Where things like violence and death, or God forbid...GASP- relationships in kids shows is shunned, or at least the IDEA is there. (which results in the crap 4kids does to anime.)

They showed these shows because none of those plots weren't good nowadays. Plus, Japan did a same thing with violence and deaths except it only for Anime and sometimes Live Action series. And no, they aren't not going to edit like 4Kids did. Original Anime series aren't like that when it comes to their own soundtracks and unannoying voice acting. These people are too good to be bad.

[Aresian]

Gotta say, I agree with Flame on this one really and...

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I'll just paraphrase what another fellow said on dA.

I am not saying rampant fanservice is a good thing. However, shutting children off from the outside world (in a sense) and making it illegal for them to try to see said outside world?

Bad. Very, very, very bad. Nobody who's been sheltered all their life (by parents or by media) just magically knows how to handle seeing violence, nudity/sex, and other things upon reaching legal age.


and I don't think it counts as whining when we have legitimate concerns about what this will do to Tokyo.

Seriously? While honestly, it should be at the parent's discretion to monitor what their children watch... should we just put whatever on the air then? Should we have no standards what-so-ever? I mean really... the majority of the crap out there right now is the ecchi anime or the cutesy stuff. I mean... if there was a decent Anime this season with any real sensibility this season, I totally missed it. RIGHT over my head.

There's so much crap on TV today that is pretending to be A-OK to watch but... ya know? Kids shouldn't watch a lot of the stuff that is out there. Yes, part of it is the parents' fault. A big part. But that doesn't mean we should just blindly put whatever we want on TV too. It's never been a one way street and if you delusion yourself into believing so, you're just as bad as the side that blames television for everything. Just saying.

[Solar]

Seriously? While honestly, it should be at the parent's discretion to monitor what their children watch... should we just put whatever on the air then? Should we have no standards what-so-ever? I mean really... the majority of the crap out there right now is the ecchi anime or the cutesy stuff. I mean... if there was a decent Anime this season with any real sensibility this season, I totally missed it. RIGHT over my head.

Two things, 1)Define sensibility 2) Aren't most of the animes you're talking about late night shows? (example:Panty and Stocking)

[The Great Gonzo]

@Mr. Fence: I didn't mean to imply that we shouldn't have standards. I just don't think that stifling a medium like this (hell, TWO mediums) will do anything but create new problems.

Yes, I could stand for less cutesy crap. But guess what? Somebody pointed out that if such harsh and nebulous restrictions are put into place, Tokyo will get nothing BUT plotless fluffy moe [parasitic bomb] because everyone will be too afraid to do anything else.

And maybe even THAT won't be allowed. After all, rule 36.

[Gaia]

The one thing I'm worried about is that they might not show Sailor Moon because it contains some fan service and nudity

I hardly remember the fanservice and I don't recall sailor moon having nudity outside the transformation sequences.

If it does get a rating system (akin to their games), we might get actually decent anime here in the west, for a change, rememer: Japan got to have all the fun when anime was just introduced here with the likes of Gundam Wing, Samurai Pizza Cats, Voltron/Go Lion!, and the like before it went mainstream (well, almost, most of it's underground).

Very rarely an anime and manga does well enough here in the states for a decent amount of exposure, hence the magic men such as myazaki, shonen jump, tokyopop, bandai, among others. It also would make us feel good in highschool liking anime too, since there would be more in the states, than rattling in a cage that is Japan.

[Aresian]

@Mr. Fence: I didn't mean to imply that we shouldn't have standards. I just don't think that stifling a medium like this (hell, TWO mediums) will do anything but create new problems.

Yes, I could stand for less cutesy crap. But guess what? Somebody pointed out that if such harsh and nebulous restrictions are put into place, Tokyo will get nothing BUT plotless fluffy moe [parasitic bomb] because everyone will be too afraid to do anything else.

And maybe even THAT won't be allowed. After all, rule 36.

All the same, we should be afraid to try something at all? It goes both ways... again. If we're afraid to change something for the better, nothing good happens. If they're afraid to try and work WITH the laws set in place to help people... nothing good happens. Human weakness and fear is to blame, at least someone somewhere just maybe, has the balls to give it a shot. I understand the fear just as much as the next person, I don't fault them for being afraid of change. It is human nature to fear change just as much as it is the very nature of history TO change. Just as well though, never gonna know until we get there.

Two things, 1)Define sensibility 2) Aren't most of the animes you're talking about late night shows? (example:Panty and Stocking)

1: Any resemblance of logic and notion of trying to tell a serious story worth watching that isn't just pandering to the lowest denominator.

2: Not really. Especially not here in the US... not that that ENTIRELY applies to the whole point of this topic, before you take the kind notion of pointing that out, I'll do it for you. Just as well, not everyone goes to sleep at a reasonable hour. Put stuff on a specific channel maybe? My point is, there are other options than just ignoring the point because it satisfies your interests.

[Solar]

1-If we include manga adaptations then yes, I can give you an example, if not I've got nothing.

2-My point with that is, if the shows that are not for kids air late at night then it's the same thing as complaining about Adult Swim there in the US for example, do you feel that way about that too?