Topic: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

[Gaia]

The Flame Wars: The Continuity Wars. Starring Zan, Hypershell, and Gonzo.

Can't we take it to a MM discussion board? Jeebus. However, I am looking for suprises. Can't we all think about it instead of some silly continuity issues?

[Hypershell]

That's all his character is there for, to tell us a perspective that pretty much ALL fans of Godzilla already know, therefore making his character useless.

His role is minimal because he is being added to the existing story rather than writing a fully original story.  But my point is, it is still new content, as opposed to translated content.

There are any number of characters who, in their original Japanese continuity, may be considered equally pointless.

[Protoman Blues]

His impact is minimal because he is being added to the existing story rather than writing a fully original story.  But my point is, it is still new content, as opposed to translated content.

And my point is that he serves no purpose in either movie. 

[Hypershell]

Irrelevant.  The purpose of a character does not directly relate to their originality.

[Ramzal]

Yeah, so hey. Capcom did make this new game, right...

[Protoman Blues]

Irrelevant.  The purpose of a character does not directly relate to their originality.

LoL. I'm not trying to make some sort of deep profound statement here.  All I'm saying is that his character is useless and serves no purpose in the two Godzilla movies he's in.  If his character is cut out or missing in either movie, it would not be a loss in any way.

[Gaia]

Yeah, so hey. Capcom did make this new game, right...

...Yes. But apparently Zan has once again did it. X.X

[Flame]

The Flame Wars: The Continuity Wars. Starring Zan, Hypershell, and Gonzo.

Cant wait to see that movie. Whens it come out?

Can't we take it to a MM discussion board? Jeebus. However, I am looking for suprises. Can't we all think about it instead of some silly continuity issues?

this IS a MM discussion board. We are [supposed to be] discussing MM Universe

Posted on: July 17, 2010, 10:41:58 PM

...Yes. But apparently Zan has once again did it. X.X

And Zan is responsible how..?

I'd think that the fans would want RS-MM/the entire US game continuity stricken from canon despite not interfering with it in any way. But I'm just bitter. >.>

[The Great Gonzo]

That is a completely moot statement.  The possibility of "influence by the translator" holds true of all translations both official and unofficial.  Capcom employees are still human beings and as such may influence translations personally.  The frequent use of "Mega Man" in X2 and X3 is one such testament; it ties to MM7's ending as trying to push X as being Rock, a notion which has since been abandoned by Capcom of America and refuted by Capcom of Japan.

I was referring to fan translations.

Your logic therefore mandates a separate continuity for every region, dependent on the structure of the corporation distributing the game, regardless of language.

Only if substantial changes are made. It's easier to refer to it as a separate continuity, rather than try to shoehorn one into the other.

I remember Thanatos Zero once mentioning a German Megaman booklet or something which was WAY different from the US and Japanese ones. (in other words, it was a translation on par with something CoA would do, but CoG

Dammit, I want to see that. ;_;

Can't we take it to a MM discussion board? Jeebus. However, I am looking for suprises. Can't we all think about it instead of some silly continuity issues? Cheesy

It'd just be more of the same, albeit with the addition of my breaking down and hurling obscenities everywhere. >.>

[Hypershell]

I was referring to fan translations.

And water is wet.

I'm aware of that.  What I said was, the same criticism you were bringing to fan translations, can be brought against ALL translations, therefore rendering the argument invalid.

Only if substantial changes are made. It's easier to refer to it as a separate continuity, rather than try to shoehorn one into the other.

"Easier" is a point of view.  It's easier in the context of a single game or event, but substantially more difficult in the context of the ongoing continuity of the saga.  The difficulty by which this "separate continuity" is cemented is directly proportional to how often the original continuity cross-references itself.  The more often it does so, the more likely the derivative continuity is to contradict itself.

"Shoehorning" continuity is necessary to reconcile such contradictions in "U.S. continuity" anyway.  It is unavoidable in an ongoing series being localized in parts without regard to the whole, so such a point cannot be used to credit one interpretation over the other (heck, this can even occur due to presentational issues that have nothing to do with localization; see X4).  The question at hand, then, is do you paste together various fragmented interpretations, or do you respect the continuity which the game developers work off of?

It'd just be more of the same, albeit with the addition of my breaking down and hurling obscenities everywhere. >.>

That position was already taken by Most Excellent Superbat.

[Gaia]

Cant wait to see that movie. Whens it come out? this IS a MM discussion board. We are [supposed to be] discussing MM Universe

Posted on: July 17, 2010, 10:41:58 PMAnd Zan is responsible how..?

Well, we ARE, but it feels that we are talking about continuities more. And you know how (almost) every debate here begins and ends with Zan? Plus we have a board for that.

But that sounds like a good idea for a 5-chapter story treatment. Let's see if I can figure out where to begin, I already figured out the setting (1970 Britan).

[Satoryu]

So Capcom's own website is wrong? Live is a service that has a separate Arcade section to buy "arcade games",but you can also buy full games for Xbox on the live service.

TL;DR

This may be a full game and not an Arcade title. They are different things.

Case in point:
http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/games/default.htm

By mentioning Xbox Live and the Playstation Store, they mean they're smaller, downloadable titles. i.e., XBLA titles on the 360. If this game were to be a full priced retail game, no one would mention the online stores until they're added to the on demand section a month or so after it's released. If they wanted to call it a regular 360/PS3 game, they would just say it's available for 360 and PS3.

[Flame]

I already figured out the setting (1970 Britan).

I just laughed out loud.

[The Great Gonzo]

I'm aware of that.  What I said was, the same criticism you were bringing to fan translations, can be brought against ALL translations, therefore rendering the argument invalid.

... *punches self*

The question at hand, then, is do you paste together various fragmented interpretations, or do you respect the continuity which the game developers respect?

You note the changes. Compare the two continuities, note what's different, and move on.

[Hypershell]

You note the changes. Compare the two continuities, note what's different, and move on.

A rather nondescript response; that can be said of both our mentalities.

[Protoman Blues]

A rather nondescript response; that can be said of both our mentalities.

.....so then why can't their be two continuities?

[Turian]

By mentioning Xbox Live and the Playstation Store, they mean they're smaller, downloadable titles. i.e., XBLA titles on the 360. If this game were to be a full priced retail game, no one would mention the online stores until they're added to the on demand section a month or so after it's released. If they wanted to call it a regular 360/PS3 game, they would just say it's available for 360 and PS3.

Or it's a full fledged title thats download only. Maybe Capcom doesn't wanna mess with disks and stuff.  Otherwise, how could this NOT be on the Wii? Capcom has been known to pioneer and such.

[The Great Gonzo]

.....so then why can't their be two continuities?

I mean, seriously. It's not like doing so would create a rift in the fabric of canon.

[Satoryu]

Or it's a full fledged title thats download only. Maybe Capcom doesn't wanna mess with disks and stuff.  Otherwise, how could this NOT be on the Wii? Capcom has been known to pioneer and such.

That's just not how things are done. Especially not on 360. There's never been a full sized 360 game that was not released on a hard copy. And the 2 PS3 games that got this treatment were really niche and weren't made by big name companies.

As for not being on the Wii, the game is obviously too big for WiiWare's miniscule size restriction.

[Flame]

I mean, seriously. It's not like doing so would create a rift in the fabric of canon.

the thing is more that no matter what changes the US localization makes, it will NEVER actually change the way the story goes.

I think the time travel example is best here.

Let's suppose Capcom does the unthinkable and creates a Classic/X time-traveling game.  Let's suppose in such a title that X witnesses a few Wily defeats.  Lets's suppose one of these is RM7.  The fact that in MM7 Rock threatened Wily, does not mean that in the localized version of such a game, that MegaMan X will deem Rock a Maverick, while Rockman X has no reason whatsoever to deem Rock an Irregular in Japan.

So no matter what they make, it cant be considered an alternate continuity if it does not change ANYTHING other than making the story more convoluted with inconsistencies.

[The Great Gonzo]

the thing is more that no matter what changes the US localization makes, it will NEVER actually change the way the story goes.

Therefore, they're separate continuities. If it affected the JP continuity, then it'd have to be called a clusterfuck.

[Protoman Blues]

So no matter what they make, it cant be considered an alternate continuity if it does not change ANYTHING other than making the story more convoluted with inconsistencies.

Actually, stuff like that can be fixed with a simple re-write or retcon.  Or, X simply wouldn't find MegaMan to be a Maverick in MM7.  That's simple enough to write.

[OBJECTION MAN]

I don't get what's so hard to understand, Gonzo.

Translation is the process of converting from one language into another without losing the original meaning or message. What you start with is the same as what you end with. Thus, the American translation is merely an inaccurate crappy translation, not a new continuity. Can it get any more simple?

[Protoman Blues]

I think her point is, why can't you make said inaccurate crappy translation into it's own continuity.

[Flame]

because its just a crappy translation which Capcom has tried to rectify in recent outings and remakes. Not to mention making translations exactly that, accurate translations, ever since the PSX games. They have made absolutely NO effort to preserve a separate continuity. In fact, they have shown to be trying to do the opposite, bringing the US games on the same track as their original counterparts.

Otherwise, Complete works would have a section on its alternate continuities.

if CoJ doesnt aknowledge a US continuity, and CoA doesnt exactly embrace it either, then there isnt one.