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Turian · **Reply #25 on:** January 13, 2010, 10:29:29 PM

Your reasoning is that he focused all of his viral self into one body and was unable to replicate? Is this statement correct?

Mirby · **Reply #26 on:** January 13, 2010, 10:34:38 PM

ARGH! STOP THIS!

In X4, his virus form fell to Earth because of Earth's gravitational influence.
In X8, the moon's gravity kept him trapped there. He couldn't return to Earth because of that. And no one went to the moon (that I know of) afterwards, so his influence was nil; no one to infect.

Zan · **Reply #27 on:** January 13, 2010, 10:46:43 PM

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ARGH! STOP THIS!

In X4, his virus form fell to Earth because of Earth's gravitational influence.
In X8, the moon's gravity kept him trapped there. He couldn't return to Earth because of that. And no one went to the moon (that I know of) afterwards, so his influence was nil; no one to infect.

*Ahum*
Sigma can just occupy another body and go back as Reploid.

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Your reasoning is that he focused all of his viral self into one body and was unable to replicate? Is this statement correct?

No real reasoning, just observing that Sigma did not have a second form, and knew his demise was final.

If you want reasoning, you can compare it with RockmanX5. But that's only beginning to touch the surface, as Lumine cannot be forgotten.

Mirby · **Reply #28 on:** January 13, 2010, 10:50:59 PM

But my point was there weren't any other reploids for him to possess. Meh. Zan has spoken, topic over.

Zan · **Reply #29 on:** January 13, 2010, 10:52:50 PM

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But my point was there weren't any other reploids for him to possess.

How about his own body? The guy has endless back up bodies. Played X3 lately?

Mirby · **Reply #30 on:** January 13, 2010, 10:55:54 PM

Good point. And no. Maybe I should...

Flame · **Reply #31 on:** January 13, 2010, 11:15:29 PM

[spoiler]

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Something like that.

Mirby · **Reply #32 on:** January 13, 2010, 11:23:32 PM

Very good point. But were any of those ON THE MOON WITH HIM?

Flame · **Reply #33 on:** January 13, 2010, 11:26:59 PM

Apparently not. But we were discussing X4 here.

Zan · **Reply #34 on:** January 13, 2010, 11:29:33 PM

The question is, why wouldn't he take them with him? Just as much as X8 begs the question: Where is the huge Sigma final form?

Flame · **Reply #35 on:** January 13, 2010, 11:38:40 PM

He was as always, an overconfident arrogant twat. And once again got his ass handed to him on a Titanium-Z platter.
Also, theoretically, we fought Sigma twice, just like always. (Copy Sigma on Gateway, and Belial Sigma on the moon.)
But I DO miss my big huge Sigma transformation- Which goes back to my first point.

HyperSonicEXE · **Reply #36 on:** January 13, 2010, 11:50:23 PM

Quote from: Mirby on January 13, 2010, 11:23:32 PM

Very good point. But were any of those ON THE MOON WITH HIM?

Didn't they all go kaboom at the end of X3 anyway?

Flame · **Reply #37 on:** January 13, 2010, 11:51:41 PM

Thats not the point. The point is did he have any backups in X8.
the answer being no.

Mirby · **Reply #38 on:** January 13, 2010, 11:55:58 PM

And the mystery is solved! Now can we please stop going in circles here?

Flame · **Reply #39 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:00:34 AM

NEVER. PROGRESS IS FOR MAVERICKS.

Mirby · **Reply #40 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:04:21 AM

OH NOES! I AM T3H 1RR3GULAR! *destroyed*

*respawns*

Better. Still, I think we've resolved many issues here.

Zan · **Reply #41 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:13:41 AM

Thing is, because he did not bring any backups, we must assess why he did not. Surely he thought it pointless, like he considered his victory assured, just as much as he knew his death was certain when that was proven false.

Mirby · **Reply #42 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:16:19 AM

Meh. He was just a stubborn idiot at the end there. All that reviving destroyed his intelligence a little.

Turian · **Reply #43 on:** January 14, 2010, 02:01:42 AM

Wasn't Lumine using Sigma? Besides that, we all know that the Maverick wars didn't end until the mother elf erradicated the Maverick virus, right? So if Sigma and the maverick virus are so closely tied together, one could assume that he is not gone, only dormant.

Flame · **Reply #44 on:** January 14, 2010, 02:24:58 AM

The virus still lives if he dies. Only the portion of him that actually carried his soul dies.

Acrosurge · **Reply #45 on:** January 14, 2010, 03:12:59 AM

Quote from: Flame on January 14, 2010, 02:24:58 AM

The virus still lives if he dies. Only the portion of him that actually carried his soul dies.

If we're talking about the Sigma Virus, then my understanding (based on the many musings of Zan, Marshmallow, and Hypershell) is that Sigma's life essence was so tied up with the thing, it would be impossible to eradicate him unless every last trace of the virus were destroyed.

Me, I really don't think Sigma is gone-for-good-dead. He's just supervillain dead. Supervillains have a tendency to revive against all odds and expectations. For instance, the majority of the Street Fighter community was absolutely sure M. Bison died in Street Fighter II at the hands of Akuma. Then Street Fighter 4 rolls around. Guess who the Shun Goku Satsu failed to kill.

Flame · **Reply #46 on:** January 14, 2010, 04:41:40 AM

X5 and 6 seem to disagree. Maverick exist regardless. The sigma virus just remains a snake without a head. (I think?) *waits on Zan or one of the other gurus to solidify the matter*

Saber · **Reply #47 on:** January 14, 2010, 11:55:21 AM

Quote from: Flame on January 14, 2010, 04:41:40 AM

The sigma virus just remains a snake without a head. (I think?) *waits on Zan or one of the other gurus to solidify the matter*

Sigma had the ability to use the Sigma Virus as he pleased and was able to twist the hearts of specific Repliroids to work out his schemes. While Sigma's concious is tied to the virus, the virus itslf can still be around without Sigma. With Sigma's apparent destruction on the moon (I can't really believe Sigma to be so overconfident that he would not consider having a backup plan up his sleeve, it's so unlike him.), the controller of the virus was killed. The remains of the virus continued to spread across the world, infecting Repliroids and Mechaniroids at random. Not to mention that there were still Irregulars who either turned berserk due to technical issues or because they chose to be.

This would remain the status quo until Ciel's ancestor developed the Sigma Antibody Program, the Motherelf, and gave it to X to erase the Sigma Virus and revert Repliroid programming back to it's original state.

Hypershell · **Reply #48 on:** January 17, 2010, 11:23:01 PM

Pretty much correct, Saber. The Sigma Virus is required for Sigma to revive himself after defeat, but Sigma is not required for the Sigma Virus to run rampant.

A relevant snippit on this exists in X5, after defeating Dark Dizzy. Alia speaks of Sigma lacking the energy to revive after his first battle, due to spreading the Virus over the world. Of course, Sigma obviously had prepared for his into-stage defeat (apparently Zero is a bit sharper than Alia on that one, he knew that Sigma lost on purpose), although this may go a ways as to explaining why Final Sigma W was very nearly the end of the line.

Speaking of which, the "isolation on the moon" argument fails in X8 for two reasons, the first of which X5 and X6 established: Zero. Although Sigma cannot control him, Zero is still a viable Sigma Virus host. It was because Gate found Sigma's data in his "piece of Zero" that Sigma returned in X6. That loophole still stands in X8. And the second loophole is Vile. He is an old-model Reploid and thus, unlike all of Sigma's other henchmen, completely vulnerable to infection. And his fate in X8 was not confirmed.

So there are ways the Sigma Virus could escape the moon. However, we know from X5 that the simple fact that the Sigma Virus exists does not mean that it is viable for Sigma's revival, even if the Virus is present for the battle, as X5 Sigma uses it to attack. It is possible that Sigma cannot survive if a large amount of the Sigma Virus is already being utilized for something else. Thus my belief, that it is being utilized in Belial Sigma's body.

Zan · **Reply #49 on:** January 18, 2010, 12:10:58 AM

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And the second loophole is Vile. He is an old-model Reploid and thus, unlike all of Sigma's other henchmen, completely vulnerable to infection. And his fate in X8 was not confirmed.

I'll say it again, there's no reason for Sigma to require anybody to infect. Sigma never had much problems going around as a disembodied virus, even in space. He should still have a regular Reploid body and a large final form lying around.

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Thus my belief, that it is being utilized in Belial Sigma's body.

That and I'm not exactly willing to take Lumine's activities as face value, what with him crushing his respected father's corpse without motive and having weirdness sprout from his own.

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