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Jetfire · **on:** January 05, 2010, 06:19:45 AM

Do we have any official information as to why Sigma's final X8 body looks incomplete? The X6 body looked more complete than that one. Is that just raw power? And what gave Sigma the boost of confidence that he would win this time? He seemed more confident than usual and really felt that what he once described as an "eternal struggle" with X would finally end but he never specified why.

Rin · **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2010, 07:10:10 AM

I... I... I... goddamn, Jetfire! GODDAMN!

Satoryu · **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2010, 07:42:46 AM

That body never struck me as incomplete. It's just the look of it.

Saber · **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2010, 03:08:18 PM

Belial Sigma (is that even the canonic name?) always struck me as a being that's begun to blurr the lines between a "real" and a data lifeform. We can see something that looks like data oozing from the body, circling around it and "filling" the gaps of the physical body. It litterally looks like it's half physical, half virus.

So what is this? Sigma's ultimate evolution? A being that's both physical and digital, yet neither? Is he attempting to become a complete data lifeform that still needs some structural components to interact with our realm of perception? I honestly would like to know.

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He seemed more confident than usual and really felt that what he once described as an "eternal struggle" with X would finally end but he never specified why.

I got the impression that he was trying to imply that he would win, even if X managed to destroyed that current (or last?) body of him, since all the NextGens have the potential to become Sigma. What is worse than one Sigma that keeps coming back? An army of Sigmas. Not to mention he was yet again trying to undermine X' fighting spirit with all that evolution crap, something that Lumine seemed to be better at than he was.

Flame · **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2010, 03:13:57 PM

If im right, canonically, that was his strongest body ever. He pooled all of his virus into raw power to defeat X and Zero. Which is why he died when he was defeated instead of surviving through the virus. nope, this time he died. just like in X5.

Zan · **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2010, 03:32:32 PM

It is Sigma's strongest battle body ever. It was also scheduled to undergo maintenance, but the Hunters arrived before that time.

Any relation between that body and the virus, however, is unknown.

Saber · **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2010, 03:34:22 PM

Sourced on that, Zan? I can hardly believed it's supposed to be his mightiest ever. Not that size matters, but I always assumed something like Final Sigma W from X5 would be his ultimate battle form.

Zan · **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2010, 03:37:16 PM

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Sourced on that, Zan?

MarshmallowMan, some X8 book.

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I always assumed something like Final Sigma W from X5 would be his ultimate battle form.

Kaiser Sigma and Final Sigma W were his ultimate battle bodies at that time in the series. X8 Sigma trumps them both, apparently.

Saber · **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2010, 03:51:53 PM

I don't really see how Belial Sigma is supposed to be Sigma's ultimate form if he doesn't have any ability or power that wasn't already used by him in another appearance.

Zan · **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2010, 04:10:52 PM

Sigma's powers in X8 are quite different, actually. Mostly his use of vanishing in the midst of battle and of course, the Sigma Blade. It's a form that should have made him invincible, but alas, that battle was three versus one.

Flame · **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2010, 05:09:49 PM

He teleported in X4 and X5 too.

Zan · **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2010, 05:39:56 PM

What he does in X8 is not exactly conventional teleportation.

Jetfire · **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2010, 06:27:28 PM

Sigma never displayed any indication that he felt his X8 body was incomplete like he did with Final Sigma W. If So, why not wait for completion before fighting?

Hypershell · **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:04:07 AM

I'm personally of the "viral energy with a material shell" opinion on Belial Sigma, though I would not commit to where the line is drawn in the functionality of those two aspects of the body. Marshmallow Man's argued with me to hell and back about it and there's really no way to draw detailed conclusions. But I'm not buying the X8 body as just another Reploid.

For the virus not to be involved in Sigma's X8 body leaves the question of why his X8 death should be considered final. This of course is not a very clearly answered question regardless, but still, it at least gives you something to start with.

I'll easily swallow X8's form being the most powerful yet; in fact I pretty much banked on it long before Marshmallow supplied such info. In comparing Sigma's attitude in X8 to previous games there is a fairly obvious shift. Ever since X4 he's had a "screw you, I'll be back" attitude, Final Sigma W being the only time during that 4-game stretch that he was playing for keeps (and that was with a body made by someone with the inside scoop on Zero, so it is understandable). In X8, by VERY sharp contrast, Sigma really expects to come out on top, getting so cocky as to refer to the Hunters as "powerless", and still believing his defeat impossible when it actually happens. Assuming Sigma DIDN'T lose his mind (which he already did in X6 and even so still wasn't so surprised at "death"), his X8 body has to be far more powerful than his previous forms in order to justify his mentality.

The general vibe I get is that Sigma is gathering all his power this time. He's got an army of soldiers mass-produced under the public's nose, in charge of the biggest project the planet has seen, and all without requiring, or even allowing should push come to shove, viral manipulation of any kind. Seems only logical to me that Sigma would therefore focus his viral energy on battle.

Flame · **Reply #14 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:15:45 AM

In X5, that was also another instance where he seemed to have stretched his virus thin, thus not being able to resuscitate, (his attitude during death was not his usual, but more of a desperate one. He knew he would die, but he wouldnt die alone.) X5 and in 8, in both he has used up his virus for one reason or another, and thus,actually "died" .

I am also btw, of the Viral body idea like Hypershell.

Jetfire · **Reply #15 on:** January 06, 2010, 04:46:45 PM

Where is this info that Marshmellow man supplied?

Zan · **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2010, 06:01:45 PM

The majestic void that is the long lost forum.

Flame · **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2010, 06:17:45 PM

Before the world of RPM was reset.

Turian · **Reply #18 on:** January 13, 2010, 08:02:07 PM

I Thought Sigma was dead because they fought on the moon, essentialy wiping out all traces of Sigma and the new gens. Three went in, and only three ever came out again kinda thing. I never thought it was so complicated.

Flame · **Reply #19 on:** January 13, 2010, 08:20:22 PM

Quote from: Turian on January 13, 2010, 08:02:07 PM

I Thought Sigma was dead because they fought on the moon, essentialy wiping out all traces of Sigma and the new gens. Three went in, and only three ever came out again kinda thing. I never thought it was so complicated.

why would simply fighting on the moon kill Sigma? Theyve fought in Space before, and Sigma came back from that.

Turian · **Reply #20 on:** January 13, 2010, 08:47:02 PM

Yeah, your right. I forgot all about X4. My bad.
So that begs the question; Why did he die and not come back ?

Blackhook · **Reply #21 on:** January 13, 2010, 08:48:26 PM

Quote from: Turian on January 13, 2010, 08:47:02 PM

Yeah, your right. I forgot all about X4. My bad.
So that begs the question; Why did he die and not come back ?

Why are we starting with this again?

Flame · **Reply #22 on:** January 13, 2010, 08:59:08 PM

Quote from: Turian on January 13, 2010, 08:47:02 PM

Yeah, your right. I forgot all about X4. My bad.
So that begs the question; Why did he die and not come back ?

havent we already been through this..?

Align · **Reply #23 on:** January 13, 2010, 10:19:26 PM

the virus fell down from the exploded space station but couldnt get off the moon

Zan · **Reply #24 on:** January 13, 2010, 10:28:00 PM

None of that, since that's forgetting the obvious: Sigma can just occupy another body and go back as Reploid, he does not have to cover that distance as a virus.

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