GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)

[Protoman Blues]

This is sad news.

[Bueno Excelente]

This is sad news.

Oh please. He said the same thing about the first game. He'll be back. He's like Kojima and Metal Gear.

[Waifu]

Oh please. He said the same thing about the first game. He'll be back. He's like Kojima and Metal Gear.

Except Konami just doesn't want him to stop, it makes them too much money and money speaks a language everyone understands.

[Bueno Excelente]

Except Konami just doesn't want him to stop, it makes them too much money and money speaks a language everyone understands.

Who says DC wants Mark Hamill to stop with Joker? And who says they aren't willing to shower him with cash?

[Rin]

That discussion in DCAU thread, about Countdown being horribly bad, has reunited me with my memories of...

Well... I once went to ask /co/, about what Doctor Doom story should I read.
Someone mentioned Ultimates 3... and since I remember reading Ultimate X-men once upon a time(and lovin' it) I decided to give it a shot.

Oh boy, what a wild ride that was.
I was [tornado fang]ing facepalming through the whole volume, and let me tell you something... it lead to one of the worst things ever created.

ULTI-[tornado fang]ing-MATUM!

They killed off most of the Ultimate X-men and, and... Jesus.


LOOOEEEEEBBBBBBBB!!!

I'm still sometimes raging about this, especially when I see the new "stunts" Loeb pulls off.
Am I alone?

[Protoman Blues]

I'm still sometimes raging about this, especially when I see the new "stunts" Loeb pulls off.
Am I alone?

I think it's pretty much universally agreed that the name "Jeph Loeb" can almost be synonymous with "Comic Book Cancer" amongst comic fans.  In ONE issue, just ONE, he single handedly ruined one of the greatest comics ever, being the Ultimates.

[Waifu]

One issue? That is kind of amazing in an odd sort of way.

[Bueno Excelente]

That discussion in DCAU thread, about Countdown being horribly bad, has reunited me with my memories of...

Well... I once went to ask /co/, about what Doctor Doom story should I read.
Someone mentioned Ultimates 3... and since I remember reading Ultimate X-men once upon a time(and lovin' it) I decided to give it a shot.

Oh boy, what a wild ride that was.
I was [tornado fang]ing facepalming through the whole volume, and let me tell you something... it lead to one of the worst things ever created.

ULTI-[tornado fang]ing-MATUM!

They killed off most of the Ultimate X-men and, and... Jesus.


LOOOEEEEEBBBBBBBB!!!

I'm still sometimes raging about this, especially when I see the new "stunts" Loeb pulls off.
Am I alone?

Jeph Loeb. Now there's a tale to tell. Gather around, ye kiddies.

You see, Jeph Loeb used to be good. Heck, he used to be great. He's called "superstar writer Jeph Loeb" exactly for the good stories he wrote back then. Batman: The Long Halloween. Batman: Dark Victory. Superman For All Seasons. His colaborations with Tim Sale was really well done, and they brought a spirit to the DC world which would mold certain Batman mysteries for years AND YEARS to come. Hush was also a great story, no matter how many naysayers might call it nowadays. Without editor interference, it would have been great, and it would have brought back Jason Todd in a much better way. Problem is, Jeph started to get kinda stale. His first arc on Superman/Batman kinda showed us that his stuff wasn't really getting better with time. And then, something happened. His son died.

Now, I got a small theory of mine. All genius comic book writers basically go batshit insane one day. Frank Miller had 9/11 as a catalyst. Jeph Loeb had his son's death. Garth Ennis... [parasitic bomb], I dunno what happened to him, but there's gotta be some explanation from how he went from making the very best arcs of John Constantine, to writing snuff [parasitic bomb] in The Boys.

When the Ultimate books started selling better than the 616 main universe, the editors got a bit upset. So they sent the Ultimate people to 616, and made Loeb do the Ultimates 3 series. Which, after the awesome which was Ultimates 1 and 2, was complete ASS. And Ultimatum might as well be the very worst even in comic book history. It's basically Jeph Loeb [tornado fang]ing everything over. EVERYTHING. Murders, people acting out of character, MORE murders...

So, yeah. Poor Jeph Loeb. Pity him, people. For he was once a great writer.

[Rin]

I know that death of someone you love(even more so your own son) is/can be/probably is devastating. It might affect you in many ways.
Which does not change the fact, that he should be, at least for the most part, over it now. Yet, he keeps making crap.
Why?
Because he's a hack? Probably.
Everyone praises his old DC stuff... maybe he's just not able to accomplish anything on the Marvel side?
Possibly.
Why does Marvel even let him write their big stuffs?
WAKARIMASEN LOL

At least Ultimates 3 had pretty pictures. : >

[Bueno Excelente]

I know that death of someone you love(even more so your own son) is/can be/probably is devastating. It might affect you in many ways.
Which does not change the fact, that he should be, at least for the most part, over it now. Yet, he keeps making crap.
Why?
Because he's a hack? Probably.
Everyone praises his old DC stuff... maybe he's just not able to accomplish anything on the Marvel side?
Possibly.
Why does Marvel even let him write their big stuffs?
WAKARIMASEN LOL

At least Ultimates 3 had pretty pictures. : >

Ultimates 3 is by Joe Madureira. If your'e a 90's fan, or a Battle Chasers fan, just pretend the talk bubbles don't exist and look at the pretty art.

And yes, it's scary how much crap Loeb has shat out. Red Hulk alone has been one of the very worst arcs I've ever read. And the revelation was simply stupid.

[Rin]

Battle Chasers, eh? I gotta check it out then. : P

What was the revelation? I didn't even bother with Red Hulk.

[Bueno Excelente]

Battle Chasers, eh? I gotta check it out then. : P

What was the revelation? I didn't even bother with Red Hulk.

Don't. If you like it, it's unfinished, and he doesn't seem like he will be finishing it soon.

...oh, and Red Hulk is General Ross and Red She-Hulk is Betty.

If anyone cared about this spoiler at all, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING READING RULK

[Flame]

I liked how his B.T. got hotter the angrier he got.
But I really just skimmed. I saw a red hulk on the cover of a book at borders, so I skimmed through.
it was meh. but it was rulk that caught my eyes. I was like, "wait- I know there's a green, and gray one- theres a RED one now?"

[Bueno Excelente]

I liked how his B.T. got hotter the angrier he got.
But I really just skimmed. I saw a red hulk on the cover of a book at borders, so I skimmed through.
it was meh. but it was rulk that caught my eyes. I was like, "wait- I know there's a green, and gray one- theres a RED one now?"

...and a blue one.

[Flame]

O rly?

[Protoman Blues]

Jeph Loeb. Now there's a tale to tell. Gather around, ye kiddies.

You see, Jeph Loeb used to be good. Heck, he used to be great. He's called "superstar writer Jeph Loeb" exactly for the good stories he wrote back then. Batman: The Long Halloween. Batman: Dark Victory. Superman For All Seasons. His colaborations with Tim Sale was really well done, and they brought a spirit to the DC world which would mold certain Batman mysteries for years AND YEARS to come. Hush was also a great story, no matter how many naysayers might call it nowadays. Without editor interference, it would have been great, and it would have brought back Jason Todd in a much better way. Problem is, Jeph started to get kinda stale. His first arc on Superman/Batman kinda showed us that his stuff wasn't really getting better with time. And then, something happened. His son died.

Now, I got a small theory of mine. All genius comic book writers basically go batshit insane one day. Frank Miller had 9/11 as a catalyst. Jeph Loeb had his son's death. Garth Ennis... [parasitic bomb], I dunno what happened to him, but there's gotta be some explanation from how he went from making the very best arcs of John Constantine, to writing snuff [parasitic bomb] in The Boys.

When the Ultimate books started selling better than the 616 main universe, the editors got a bit upset. So they sent the Ultimate people to 616, and made Loeb do the Ultimates 3 series. Which, after the awesome which was Ultimates 1 and 2, was complete ASS. And Ultimatum might as well be the very worst even in comic book history. It's basically Jeph Loeb [tornado fang]ing everything over. EVERYTHING. Murders, people acting out of character, MORE murders...

So, yeah. Poor Jeph Loeb. Pity him, people. For he was once a great writer.

And that's the tragic thing too.  I love his older stuff, like the ones you just mentioned.  Hell, Absolute Hush was the first Absolute I bought (Goddamn the Absolutes are sooooooooo beautiful). 

[Bueno Excelente]

And that's the tragic thing too.  I love his older stuff, like the ones you just mentioned.  Hell, Absolute Hush was the first Absolute I bought (Goddamn the Absolutes are sooooooooo beautiful). 

I love Absolutes, but I don't see the need when it's smaller arcs, like Hush or Green Lantern Rebirth. I can understand the need for Absolute Watchmen, or Absolute Sandman, but why make such a huge book for something slimmer than my tongue?

[Protoman Blues]

I love Absolutes, but I don't see the need when it's smaller arcs, like Hush or Green Lantern Rebirth. I can understand the need for Absolute Watchmen, or Absolute Sandman, but why make such a huge book for something slimmer than my tongue?

Cause it looks beautiful on display.

[Bueno Excelente]

Cause it looks beautiful on display.

But it takes up shelfspace when you could store about 5 regular comic arcs in there. =P

[Flame]

Whos ever read Nightwatch?

[Blackhook]

For some reson he seems..familiar

[Flame]

I think he may have guest starred in Spider man.

[Blackhook]

I don´t read comics...
Did he appear in any of the animated series?

[Bueno Excelente]

Whos ever read Nightwatch?

That's 90's XXX-TREEEEEM, right? It all looks the same. =P

[Protoman Blues]

Almost like Night Thrasher.  Of course, I liked the New Warriors.