New screenshots (http://gamekyo.com/newsen29392_sonic-and-the-black-knight-new-screenshots.html)
So, are there any cliches Sonic hasn't run through yet?
Quote from: Acid on November 27, 2008, 07:26:18 PM
So, are there any cliches Sonic hasn't run through yet?
He hasn't turned into a chick yet.
Well... not in official projects.
True.
Um, lets see. Giant Mecha? No, that's more Robotnik style...
Also, I still want the sword to sing! 8D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u8wBfDtZkE)
Well, let's see:
Ancient monster
Space/Giant Mechas (Robotnik)
Rivals
Genies
Arthurian/Medieval
Werehog
Aliens
So what's left?
~Big Government (Animal Farm, Ray Bradbury, etc.)
~Becoming a female
~Victorian Era
~Time Traveling/Cavehog
Quote from: Acid on November 27, 2008, 07:28:21 PM
Well... not in official projects.
That made me think of Jaleel White doing "Sonia"s voice in Sonic Underground x3
Quote from: Tails.EXE on November 27, 2008, 07:37:45 PM
~Time Traveling/Cavehog
This sounds good. My bet's on that for the next Sonic game.
Oh wait, they've done Time Traveling with Sonic CD. My bad.
Still, he could go through a number of time periods i.e. Chrono Trigger or TMNT IV.
Sonic Soccer, perhaps?
Quote from: Acid on November 27, 2008, 07:26:18 PM
So, are there any cliches Sonic hasn't run through yet?
So far, no princess that needs saving, and of course, the big scary dragon that's keeping her there. :\
What if that's a stage in this game? This game just screams for something like that, with Amy most likely being the princess.
Quote from: Gaia on November 27, 2008, 07:46:05 PM
So far, no princess that needs saving, and of course, the big scary dragon that's keeping her there. :\
wasn't the girl in sonic (2006) a princess? o.o though I guess we shouldn't count that one 8D
Quote from: Taiyo on November 27, 2008, 07:46:56 PM
What if that's a stage in this game?
Three words: World One-One. 8D
Elise.. doubt it. she's a chancellor for her country. they just call her princess because the dress she wears. -_-
Quote from: Protoman Blues on November 27, 2008, 07:45:28 PM
Sonic Soccer, perhaps?
And actually make use of the characters' individual traits? Yeah, sounds good.
Unlike Mario Strikers which, just, kinda used everyone's "style" rather than their form and skills.
As a goalie, Tails could fly overhead and drop the ball at a certain spot after catching it.
Sonic would be
the fastest runner.
Knuckles, instead of catching the ball as goalie, could punch it at one person knocking them out for however long.
Etc.
Quote from: Acid on November 27, 2008, 07:26:18 PM
So, are there any cliches Sonic hasn't run through yet?
the kitchen sink
Personally, I don't think the Sword was enough. He also needs a Bow & Arrow. Maybe a Boomerang as well.
Bombs, a shield, a green elf cap, and three triangles on his hand. amirite?
Yeah, he needs to search for something too. Maybe like, instead of Chaos Emeralds, some kind of golden glowing...parallelograms
Quote from: Protoman Blues on November 27, 2008, 08:17:12 PM
Yeah, he needs to search for something too. Maybe like, instead of Chaos Emeralds, some kind of golden glowing...parallelograms
Better yet.. Whomping Eggman in 21XX! 8D
What about fighting Net crime and viruses? Nah...
I know! Give Sonic a red cap, a bag and make a fat, pervy yellow rat follow him :P Though that's Tails work... :\
1.) Put Sonic & co. in advanced Jet fighters
2.) Eggman is now a giant floating head that spits things at you
3.) ????
4.) Profit!
...
8D
Or better yet..
1) Give Team Rose Ninja Outfits
2) Make 'em lose thier current jobs
3) Make Eggman the baddie
4) PROFIT!
.. No wait, that's Izuna, lengend of the unemployed Ninja. >w<
Quote from: Tails.EXE on November 27, 2008, 07:37:45 PM
~Big Government (Animal Farm, Ray Bradbury, etc.)
Didn't that whole "GUN" foolishness from Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow's game fill this role enough? I'd think so. -u-'
Sonic turning mini and must traverse through Eggman's house?
Quote from: Gaia on November 27, 2008, 10:39:28 PM
.. No wait, that's Izuna, lengend of the unemployed Ninja. >w<
......Izuna 0v0 .....
Anyway, a princess (which I hope is Amy 8D but I know is human) summons Sonic through a King Arthur book as he falls asleep (same as in SatSR), obtains the talking sword and is on his way to find answers. Oh and you guys forgot mythical creatures like Loch Ness and giant insects and Kraken and a nuclear power weilding crow he could fight. 8D
Quote from: Wanderer on November 28, 2008, 04:01:41 PM
......Izuna 0v0 .....
she's so pretty~ owo
hmmm... I can't think of any sonic games where he and co were shrunk, so there's always that 8D
If Sonic were indeed shrunk, then they could make it were he could run through a Hot Wheels set or Legos or something like that.
I'd play it.
Quote from: Protoman Blues on November 28, 2008, 06:57:50 PM
If Sonic were indeed shrunk, then they could make it were he could run through a Hot Wheels set or Legos or something like that.
I'd play it.
EXACTLY! that in itself would kickass~. I'd so love to play the section of Eggman's personal bathtub section~
Quote from: Cosake Solrac on November 28, 2008, 10:14:00 PM
EXACTLY! that in itself would kickass~. I'd so love to play the section of Eggman's personal bathtub section~
Yeah, but Eggman would give you nightmares in his bathrobe! :P
Quote from: CephiYumi on November 28, 2008, 04:47:47 PM
hmmm... I can't think of any sonic games where he and co were shrunk, so there's always that 8D
Sonic CD has Shrink Rays in Metallic Madness Zone Act 2.
Quote from: Tails.EXE on November 28, 2008, 11:09:20 PM
Sonic CD has Shrink Rays in Metallic Madness Zone Act 2.
Well, I think he meant throughout the game. but I remember that stage really well. -_-
Quote from: Satoryu on November 27, 2008, 08:08:02 PM
the kitchen sink
No, thjats what Sega's been doing for him
Sega: "c'mere sonic Kun~"
Sonic: "Heya guys? whats up?"
Sega: "Oh, nothi-NOW!"
*sega erases sonics feet so he cant run*
Sega: "BWAHAHAHAA!"
*shoves sonics head down the sink and then the toilet.
glub glub... *insert sonic underwater countdown*
yeah.
for Sonic mini, how about the final stage be not eggmanland or Eggmans home, but EGGMAN himself? the mans got enough rolls to make for a ton of pitfalls. then you fight his brain. and when you win, it causes Eggmans brain to hemorrhage.
Andross.
*yawwwwn*
Quote from: Flame on November 29, 2008, 05:17:41 AM
for Sonic mini, how about the final stage be not eggmanland or Eggmans home, but EGGMAN himself? the mans got enough rolls to make for a ton of pitfalls. then you fight his brain. and when you win, it causes Eggmans brain to hemorrhage.
NO NO NO NO NO.
the last stage or world or section should pull a Joe and Mac and be it you become MICRO MINI and fix whatever is happening inside Eggman's body, and the final battle? hur hur hur, take a 'fun' guess. We'll be seeing a swim team of EGG mans, and the final form...something similar to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5p90_0SFRw 8D
8D oh I can just imagine it!!!
Tales of the Hedgehog. 'Nuff said.
The Tales of Whatever series with Sonic and co slapped on it. :V
Going back on-topic for a moment... 8D
I'm actually seriously, genuinely looking forward to this game. I was pretty excited to see him wielding a magical sword. Call me heathenous if you want, but I'm usually up for playing whatever bizzare gimmick Sega decides to throw in. I find 'em quite fun. Really. =P
@Sonic Mini: WANT.
Quote from: Enigma on November 30, 2008, 10:46:08 PM
Going back on-topic for a moment... 8D
I'm actually seriously, genuinely looking forward to this game. I was pretty excited to see him wielding a magical sword. Call me heathenous if you want, but I'm usually up for playing whatever bizzare gimmick Sega decides to throw in. I find 'em quite fun. Really. =P
@Sonic Mini: WANT.
And since it's for the Wii, I wonder if that certain someone in red tights weilding a blade would make a cameo.. bVd
Behold, the latest batch of awesome screens from the newest Sonic Wii outing. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/segaeurope)
Also, to quote a wise poster from another forum about this:
QuoteBest pic from a Wii game ever? Apart from Mario.
Discuss.
Is that a Knuckles Knight he's sword fighting with? 8D
Quote from: Protoman Blues on December 01, 2008, 07:44:21 PM
Is that a Knuckles Knight he's sword fighting with? 8D
Yup. Knuckles is so badass, he gets two swords. XD
Why yes, yes it is.
Quote from: Jericho on December 01, 2008, 07:39:03 PM
Also, to quote a wise poster from another forum about this:
Discuss.
*discusses* Yes, I would think so.
Also, Wii Motion Plus multiplayer swordfights? Y/N
Quote from: Jericho on December 01, 2008, 07:48:12 PM
Yup. Knuckles is so badass, he gets two swords. XD
I can get behind this. Quite easily, actually. For a second there, I thought it was a Metal Knuckles, which would kick ass AND make no sense in the Medieval times! 8D
Quote from: Taiyo on December 01, 2008, 07:50:39 PM
Also, Wii Motion Plus multiplayer swordfights? Y/N
Save this for Dynamic Slash.
...
[tornado fang] I love 2009 already. 8D
Posted on: December 01, 2008, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Protoman Blues on December 01, 2008, 07:52:37 PM
I can get behind this. Quite easily, actually. For a second there, I thought it was a Metal Knuckles, which would kick ass AND make no sense in the Medieval times! 8D
Steampunk Knuckles? 8D
Also, this game reminds me that I love colors in games a lot. Also, come the [tornado fang] on Zelda Wii! XD
I'm really looking forward to the soundtrack of this game. Just from the small clips I've heard, Knight Of The Wind is already one of my favorite Sonic songs ever.
... That's Mecha Knuckles (From Sonic R and Sonic Advance).
Quote from: Vixy on December 01, 2008, 08:05:47 PM
... That's Mecha Knuckles (From Sonic R and Sonic Advance).
Wait, there was a Mecha Knuckles?
So....does that mean there's a chance for Metal Sonic? 8D
Quote from: Protoman Blues on December 01, 2008, 08:10:00 PM
So....does that mean there's a chance for Metal Sonic? 8D
Remember you have to stay in character for this universe. It's Steampunk Sonic. 8D
Quote from: Jericho on December 01, 2008, 08:12:37 PM
Remember you have to stay in character for this universe. It's Steampunk Sonic. 8D
I'll take that. I love Steampunk! 8)
Wait wait, how is that Metal Knuckles? Look at the (quite) fleshy dredlocks. I DO love how his shoes are made of armor. 8D Yes, finally my favorite Sonic character gets the recognition he deserves (over Sonic 8D )
That could just be bad-ass armor he's wearing.
It's armor.
The sprites in these games are as plastic-y as the Sonic Heroes models. You can see the same fleshtone skin Knuckles has always had in one of the shots.
Can't really see very well, though.
Knuckles is obstructed by effects most of the time, or too small to make out much detail. But looking at Sonic, his texture isn't anywhere *NEAR* as bad as Heroes ('s lack thereof) was.
He looks so heroic, if you ask me! XD
Quote from: Jericho on December 01, 2008, 07:48:12 PM
Yup. Knuckles is so badass, he gets two swords. XD
whats wrong with using his fists? D:
Quote from: Nekomata on December 02, 2008, 10:17:02 PM
whats wrong with using his fists? D:
Absolutely nothing imo. I'd like it if he did, but in a situation like this ya gotta go with what's given. XD
I can't believe Knuckles isn't using Kendo. He's got the hands for it; he should be shrugging off swords left and right.
In fact, he should be breaking armor and swords.
Knuckles should not even be using swords at all although prospect of dual sword wielding Knux does sound satisfying.
I wonder if Sonic had ever done a space tour in the games.
Quote from: GAP on December 03, 2008, 07:44:21 AM
I wonder if Sonic had ever done a space tour in the games.
considering he's been in space in almost every game since 2...
You know, I'd have rather seen Knuckles dueling with some Shovel Claw-esque weapons....
I'd rather seen Knuckles the main character of this game........imo. 8D
I rather see Sonic & Knuckles have their own 6 - 7 Zone, 2 - 3 Act hijinxs across crazy environments...
Oh wait. *pets his Sonic Mega Collection disc* 8D
Quote from: Jericho on December 03, 2008, 08:44:57 PM
I rather see Sonic & Knuckles have their own 6 - 7 Zone, 2 - 3 Act hijinxs across crazy environments...
Oh wait. *pets his Sonic Mega Collection disc* 8D
I want official art of the Egg Giant dammit! >.<
Does anyone else wanna see Tails majestically riding a Dragon, or is that just me? 8D
Quote from: Wanderer on December 03, 2008, 08:30:01 PM
I'd rather seen Knuckles the main character of this game........imo. 8D
or tails 8D
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/606/tailsofthewindrh8.jpg)
nya, PB sorta beat me o.o
Quote from: CephiYumi on December 03, 2008, 08:57:27 PM
or tails 8D
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/606/tailsofthewindrh8.jpg)
nya, PB sorta beat me o.o
Nuh uh. Cephi, that's absolutely adorable!
Quote from: Protoman Blues on December 03, 2008, 08:55:30 PM
Does anyone else wanna see Tails majestically riding a Dragon, or is that just me? 8D
He might just BE the dragon. Dragons help knights. Tails helps Sonic. Instant connection! :D Or he could be Aurthur who's a fraidy but gains courage at the end after he and Sonic defeat the black knight and acquires Caliber when Sonic leaves to his own world.
Quote from: CephiYumi on December 03, 2008, 08:57:27 PM
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/606/tailsofthewindrh8.jpg)
owo So adorable~
Quote from: Wanderer on December 03, 2008, 09:02:18 PM
He might just BE the dragon. Dragons help knights. Tails helps Sonic. Instant connection! :D Or he could be Aurthur who's a fraidy but gains courage at the end after he and Sonic defeat the black knight and acquires Caliber when Sonic leaves to his own world.
Eh, I dunno.
I'm thinking that, if they intend to do more to stay to Arthurian mythos, the "Arthur" that is masquerading as the Black Knight is probably Mordred (or an accomplice), while the REAL Arthur is Calibur, the sword. Probably was turned into the sword upon Mordred getting the upper hand.
It's simple and yet contrived enough, that I bet Sega would use such an angle. Sonic is not known for Pulitzer-material in their storylines, after all. -u-'
As for Tails' role? If he's a knight, then he'll probably be Galahad, the Knight that represented "Purity" and all that good stuff.
I figure they'd stick Tails in the "Merlin" role.
Oh, while I'm here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth
Let's put Gareth from Megaman XTreme 2 in. 8D
Quote from: Protoman Blues on December 03, 2008, 08:55:30 PM
Does anyone else wanna see Tails majestically riding a Dragon, or is that just me? 8D
Actually I would like to see that.
Quote from: Protoman Blues on December 03, 2008, 08:55:30 PM
Does anyone else wanna see Tails majestically riding a Dragon, or is that just me? 8D
I already got to see Tails fencing, so I'm good.
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on December 04, 2008, 01:50:55 AM
Eh, I dunno.
I'm thinking that, if they intend to do more to stay to Arthurian mythos, the "Arthur" that is masquerading as the Black Knight is probably Mordred (or an accomplice), while the REAL Arthur is Calibur, the sword. Probably was turned into the sword upon Mordred getting the upper hand.
It's simple and yet contrived enough, that I bet Sega would use such an angle. Sonic is not known for Pulitzer-material in their storylines, after all. -u-'
As for Tails' role? If he's a knight, then he'll probably be Galahad, the Knight that represented "Purity" and all that good stuff.
Oh Ben. Ben Ben Ben. I think we all know the Black Knight is going to be represented by Shadow, talking like the Monty Python Black Knight! Tails will be Galahad, and Knuckles will be Sir Robin! 8D
Something tells me that Eggman will be playing the role of Merlin. Considering he was the King of Persia in SatSR, I doubt he'll have anything of a truly villainous part. That, and he'd probably fit in with the old wizard archetype better than most of the other characters. =P
I wonder if Rouge will play Morgaine Lafayette......or who do you believe will be Lancelot?
...Shadow? Who or what is Shadow?
We don't even know who Knuckles is supposed to be representing, or if any of the characters will represent anyone.
More importantly.. Gamma's making a comeback or something? If so.. he must be a Gundam Knight from Lacroa. (They can apparently live in the same universe due to the theme)
:O
GAMMA?
Seriously, WHAT?! There were 0, count 'em, NO, robots in Arthurian Legend unless they try to cast him as the Green Knight or something.
Quote from: HyperSonic.EXE on December 05, 2008, 01:25:01 AM
:O
GAMMA?
Seriously, WHAT?! There were 0, count 'em, NO, robots in Arthurian Legend unless they try to cast him as the Green Knight or something.
*Ahem* Steampunk Sonic was pre-machinery. so were MS in thier own right in the SD Gundam Gaiden game. they were pretty much based off Arthurian Lengends. (Spycho Golem was never meant to harm anyone in the OVA, that leads to the Gentle Giant in the Arthurian Lengends)
And about the recent cast...
Well, Gamma is more of a "Mobile Suit" than, say, Omega, considering the bird inside, but this is all still a stretch. I mean a regular ol' suit of armor is still considered "mobile", it just doesn't have missiles, scythes, hot chicks in the cockpit, etc.
*facepalm* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7rM1zTeJas)
I meant these, duh. And yes, Gamma would be nice.
From Nintendo Power
Quote
- Nunchuk thumbstick to move, A to jump, Wiimote waggle to attack, Z to block
- Knuckles, Shadow and Blaze are bosses
- Knuckles, Shadow and Blaze are 'knights' of the round table
- Once you beat Knuckles, Shadow, and Blaze, they will become your friend
- Knuckles, Shadow and Blaze may be playable
- Each environment has about 6 to 9 missions
- Fighting styles: Cavalier style = speed, Paladin style = Strength and Knight Style = combination of both
- Obtain new skills
- Multiplayer modes: (Battle and Survivor Mode)
- "There are Solo Missions designed specifically for ranked online challenges"
Seeing more Blaze always puts a smile on my face! XD
Yay for Blaze. And Knux better be playable! He doesn't need a sword, he'll punch the crap out of the baddies!
I recall reading somewhere that Knuckles uses two swords.
Playable Shadow and Blaze? Eeeeh....I'll pass thanks. Probably just stick with Sonic all the way through.
That's cool too... We need playable Mighty. BRING BACK MIGHTY DAMNIT!
Quote from: Mirby on December 11, 2008, 10:23:29 PM
That's cool too... We need playable Mighty. BRING BACK MIGHTY DAMNIT!
Quoted and seconded for GREAT JUSTICE. And pie.
Mighty would work. He's an armadillo, so he's got built-in armor. He'd be awesome! His weapon... hmmm.... I'm not sure about that...
Quote from: Mirby on December 11, 2008, 10:33:55 PM
Mighty would work. He's an armadillo, so he's got built-in armor. He'd be awesome! His weapon... hmmm.... I'm not sure about that...
Do we have a character yet that specializes in kicks (not sure about Rouge, really)? :\
Credits go to Toby of GAF for the summary & boxart.
Quote
NGamer Preview:
Points in the preview are -
- Stage 1's enemies all seem to be knights
- Double edges sword slows Sonic's attacks down (most definetly due to the fighting style they chose)
- The camera sits behind Sonic most of the time, switching to a side-on view for certain combat and platforming sections - just like Unleashed.
- The winding track-like stages are as much racing game as platform game - just like Unleashed
- Other gameplay elements will see Sonic returning to completed acts to take part in a series of missions and earn more followers.
- Later levels are likely to introduce slightly different play styles. We've even seen one that places Sonic atop a horse-drawn carriage, giving him the opportunity to fend off an ambush from a bunch of nimble assassins
The UK Box. (Hopefully the US Box as well.)
(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n35/barrett_toby/SonicandtheBlackKnight.png)
Plays like Unleashed during day and playable Blaze and Knuckles? Sold.
The bolded parts make me happy.
The above info makes me a happy person.
It's official - I want this game more than the interwebs.
Except that would mean I couldn't get to talk to you lovely people, so disregard that.
So, the game isn't on Rails anymore?
Quote from: Protoman Blues on December 12, 2008, 05:59:36 PM
So, the game isn't on Rails anymore?
It never was, but now it's confirmed to be using a Super Sayian Secret Rings engine.
Hmmmm, very interesting indeed. I doubt it'll be a fast as the Day Stages in Unleashed, but still, I'm very interested! XD
For quite some time I've had higher hopes for Black Knight than Unleashed, this just reaffirms it. I think that "no time/budget to make long running stages for the whole game" shpiel may have been more applicable to high-definition systems than the Wii, seeings how environments that you only see for a split-second require that much more detail.
Well, whatever. Definitely buying this one.
Even if Knux is using swords this time around, I would love the oppurtunity to play as dual wielding Knux! owo 0v0
It's bound to be better than Unleashed at this rate.
I wasn't sure when this was first announced, but this is now a must-buy for me.
Sonic + Legends that I actually care about (being English and all) = Win.
i am still cautious of the game. i read mission gameplay is still there. i hope it's not like the ones in Secret Rings. they should be purely optional.
at least SR's controls seem to be fixed.
Quote from: Satoryu on December 14, 2008, 12:17:49 AM
i am still cautious of the game. i read mission gameplay is still there. i hope it's not like the ones in Secret Rings. they should be purely optional.
at least SR's controls seem to be fixed.
Although I did die a few times in the jungle part. Stages like that I wish to avoid.
Quote from: Gaia on December 14, 2008, 12:20:16 AM
Although I did die a few times in the jungle part. Stages like that I wish to avoid.
But the music to that stage was awesome!
"..yyy
YO"
Quote from: Protoman Blues on December 14, 2008, 02:26:12 AM
But the music to that stage was awesome!
"..yyyYO"
Am I the only one who heard the level music kick in right after reading this? XD
Quote from: Jericho on December 14, 2008, 05:40:24 AM
Am I the only one who heard the level music kick in right after reading this? XD
Nope. XD
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3122/3128746461_b01c488ff3_b.jpg)
Notice the lower right-hand corner? It seems SEGA is making the storybook based Sonic games an ongoing spin-off series.
Looks like the leaderboards are up. and it's official, the Storybook series is confirmed. (And I will LAUGH if they EVER do a Sonic and the Sorcerer's Stone basing everything off Harry Potter)
Hmm, I have to wonder what the next legend game will be then.
The Wizard of Oz
Quote from: Satoryu on December 23, 2008, 04:48:20 AM
The Wizard of Oz
You know, I have NO problem with that at all! I LOVE the Wizard of Oz. A timeless classic!
"What makes the Muskrat guard his Musk?" 8D
Quote from: Superdee on December 23, 2008, 03:29:15 AM
Notice the lower right-hand corner? It seems SEGA is making the storybook based Sonic games an ongoing spin-off series.
Well, why not, I guess?
With Secret Rings being the success it was, and SBK probably going to follow suit, there's little reason for Sega to not invest in a separate Sonic brand, exclusively for the whole "storybook" angle.
Next up? Sonic and the Outlaws of the Marsh (which the Suikoden series is loosely based off of). A tale about 108 outlaws? That would surely give them PLENTY of excuse to throw in Sonic and ALL of his lil friends in one game.... 8D
ssh, they'll hear you.
Alice in Wonderland is next, I tell you :P
Quote from: Satoryu on December 23, 2008, 05:23:47 AM
ssh, they'll hear you.
If they haven't been listening to me for the last 5 years, why would they start now? 8D
Quote from: Fxeni on December 23, 2008, 05:27:20 AM
Alice in Wonderland is next, I tell you :P
A Sonic & Grimm's Fairy Tales would be all types of awesome!
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on December 23, 2008, 05:28:19 AM
If they haven't been listening to me for the last 5 years, why would they start now? 8D
Cause you're the Kniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight of the Wind? 8)
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on December 23, 2008, 05:28:19 AM
If they haven't been listening to me for the last 5 years, why would they start now? 8D
they listen to what they want to listen to.
Journey to the West might work, with Sonic in the role of Sanzo.
Quote from: Fxeni on December 23, 2008, 05:27:20 AM
Alice in Wonderland is next, I tell you :P
I see your Alice in Wonderland and raise you Peter Pan, complete with a cameo appearance from NightS. XD
They need to go the Superhero route next. Sonic & The Green Lantern Corps.
"With blinding speed used as my tool!
I'll stop all those who wish to rule!
My name, for all who wish to rule!
I'm Sonic and I'm Way Past Cool!"
In before Toonami route. XD
Quote from: Protoman Blues on December 23, 2008, 05:45:03 AM
They need to go the Superhero route next. Sonic & The Green Lantern Corps.
"With blinding speed used as my tool!
I'll stop all those who wish to rule!
My name, for all who wish to rule!
I'm Sonic and I'm Way Past Cool!"
XD in the highest.
How in the world do you come up with this stuff? Or rather, maybe I should ask...what loony bin did you escape from, and who should I call to put you back there? 8D
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on December 23, 2008, 06:07:53 AM
XD in the highest.
How in the world do you come up with this stuff? Or rather, maybe I should ask...what loony bin did you escape from, and who should I call to put you back there? 8D
Why, that would be Arkham Asylum, of course :P
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on December 23, 2008, 06:07:53 AM
who should I call to put you back there? 8D
Dial 1-900-Mix-A-Lot.
And kick dem nasty thoughts! 8)
Quote from: Protoman Blues on December 23, 2008, 05:45:03 AM
They need to go the Superhero route next. Sonic & The Green Lantern Corps.
"With blinding speed used as my tool!
I'll stop all those who wish to rule!
My name, for all who wish to rule!
I'm Sonic and I'm Way Past Cool!"
Truly, that would be the greatest game of all time. 8D
Hmm...frontier western would be cool...but they're not really stories, are they? =X
How about Sonic and the Avengers? Or even better Sonic Gundam?!
Sonic and the Three Kingdoms....
:P
*starts drooling at the prospect of a Sonic vs. Lu Bu fight*
New artwork:
(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums3/ATgAAABSIuEbh7Y-LsAAsih_hs2MxVPF9QhfmmtjFmcH5Ac9ODx0rHV4ppwA3Wl_ZL1v71Pkln-apVCx95xzT9_zK9t7AJtU9VD6Lx7IftoDidR6Buy4tZsQ27EbzA.jpg)
"I'm the Knight of the Wind!"
Since Star Wars has gotten into the storybook fame (as in, novelized version of the movies 1-6), I can see where this is going, but that's a fine good artwork of Sonic and what appears to be a buster sword for the furries.
Quote from: Superdee on December 30, 2008, 05:07:32 PM
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FUKKEN WANT
Quote from: Superdee on December 23, 2008, 03:29:15 AM
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Notice the lower right-hand corner? It seems SEGA is making the storybook based Sonic games an ongoing spin-off series.
I hate to say it but that
is some pretty sweet box art. Still, this game will suck, because it is Sonic, recent, and not 2-D.
is the gauntlet really necessary?
Quote from: Gaia on December 30, 2008, 05:18:16 PM
Since Star Wars has gotten into the storybook fame (as in, novelized version of the movies 1-6), I can see where this is going,
you are so out in left field.
Quote from: Gaia on December 30, 2008, 05:18:16 PM
Since Star Wars has gotten into the storybook fame (as in, novelized version of the movies 1-6), I can see where this is going
I'm not really seeing it. The Sonic series may have alot of characters, but I just don't see that many from the games able to fit into Star Wars' character roles, at least properly. Eggman as a bumbling Emperor and Metal Sonic as Darth Vader, though.. bVd
Quote from: Gaia on December 30, 2008, 05:18:16 PM
Since Star Wars has gotten into the storybook fame (as in, novelized version of the movies 1-6), I can see where this is going, but that's a fine good artwork of Sonic and what appears to be a buster sword for the furries.
WTF does Star Wars have to do with anything?
Quote from: BigManW on December 30, 2008, 07:06:02 PM
Still, this game will suck, because it is Sonic, recent, and not 2-D.
Secret Rings and arguably the 360 Unleashed want a word with you.
Quote from: Satoryu on December 30, 2008, 07:16:11 PM
is the gauntlet really necessary?
For protection I guess, but then again, he's not wearing any other armor, so...
He better punch people in the face with it.
Quote from: STM on December 30, 2008, 08:12:40 PM
He better punch people in the face with it.
if this happens, all will be forgiven.
Quote from: STM on December 30, 2008, 08:12:40 PM
He better punch people in the face with it.
Oh, he totally will! XD
Quote from: Taiyo on December 30, 2008, 07:31:47 PM
WTF does Star Wars have to do with anything?
Speculation.. on the other hand.. I haven't got a clue what Sega's gonna pull out of thier hats.
Quote from: Gaia on December 30, 2008, 11:31:33 PM
Speculation.. on the other hand.. I haven't got a clue what Sega's gonna pull out of thier hats.
Sonic in Wonderland? 8D
These are pretty common themes for stories. The next "Storybook" theme will probably be Greco-Roman.
EDIT: That's right, "Hedgehog of War".
*thinks hard here...then!*
Sonic and the Tree of Yggdrassil~ (Sonic vs Odin 8D)
Quote from: Cosake Solrac on December 31, 2008, 12:36:38 PM
Sonic and the Tree of Yggdrassil~ (Sonic vs Odin 8D)
Haha! That's awesome. XD Arthurian legend is cool and all, but IMO, nothin' beats Norse mythology.
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Quote from: Nintendo PowerThe Feb. 2009 Nintendo Power has a small bit about the Black Knight in it. A couple interesting facts from it:
It uses woodcut-esque cut-scenes aside from the opening movie (like Sonic and the Secret Rings did with storybook scenes).
Shadow is Sir Lancelot, Knuckles is Sir Gawain, and Amy Rose is the Lady of the Lake.
Shadow and Knuckles are playable in the multiplayer battles after you've defeated them in the one-on-one duels in single player mode.
The multiplayer mode lets you either go sword-to-sword against up to three others in a free-for-all or you team up together to defeat a giant baddie as quickly as possible.
This time around I've scanned the entire article instead of just the images for you guys. Aren't I nice? I suggest you still go out and buy the Feb 2009 issue of Nintendo Power to see the article for yourselves. It also has an interesting reader question. The reader mentions that Sonic X-Treme (the cancelled Sega Saturn game) kind of has a Super Mario Galaxy feeling to it. Chris Slate responds saying that he wrote a cover story on Sonic X-Treme for Game Players back in the day and does see a small resemblence now that he looks back. I wonder if Chris has any other inside info about the game from the press side of things...
And according to one of the members at Sonic Stadium:
QuoteI think i read in another preview of this game that it said that Sonic was in a chilidog eating contest when he was summoned into the book. When I first read that I thought they were joking O_o. But now that I read it in the new Nintendo Power preview, I guess it IS true.
Awesome. I'm still very much looking forward to this.
Awesome, I really like what they did with the cutscenes in the previous game, so I'm looking forward to the ones in this one.
Looks interesting. And I continue to have an overall better vibe about this title than I ever did Unleashed.
But seriously....SHADOW is Lancelot? The one hedgehog with all the angst, his emotional problems and prefers to be just, in general, an off-putting, self-proclaimed bad-ass is...LANCELOT?!
This does not compute. At all. 8D
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on January 08, 2009, 05:49:22 AM
This does not compute. At all. 8D
Well he certainly can't be Sir Galahad now can he? 8D
I wonder who will be Sir Not Appearing In This Game!
I don't care which character is in as who as long as it's not Marine the Raccoon. She must stay in Rush Adventure.
God, I can stand every other "shitty" and unneccesary friend Sonic has, but I HATE Marine, I can't stand her >___<
so Shadow and Knuckles aren't playable in the story mode? good.
I for one am saddened at this new.
Shadow doesn't have a crossbow. Hi Sonic Team, this your ball? You dropped it. :\
Give Sonic Team a break. It's not their fault that Sega is treating them so badly that there's not enough resources to come up with great ideas anymore. Lack of time, bad ideas.
And yes, I'm posting in the right topic.
Who is going to be Morgaine Lafayette or Sir Mordred?
Well, being that Sonic is fighting an evil King Arthur, I doubt they'll use Le Fey or Mordred.
Hmmm, if Amy is the Lady of the Lake, then I wonder if Blaze will be Guinevere.
Shadow as Lancelot? o_o; AHAHAHAHAHAHA...hahaha...ha...
Interesting choice. I would've expected Blaze to be the Lady of the Lake, except for...y'know, the fire. >>;
Quote from: Protoman Blues on January 08, 2009, 05:51:19 AM
Well he certainly can't be Sir Galahad now can he? 8D
I wonder who will be Sir Not Appearing In This Game!
Big.
Omega, since his voice actor's dead.
Quote from: Nekomata on January 08, 2009, 09:32:58 PM
Big.
I pictured him more as Sir Robin, the not-quite so brave as Sir Lancelot.
I wonder if they will put in the Green Knight as a secret boss......it has been awhile since I read any of the classic tales.
Quote from: Vixy on January 08, 2009, 06:52:06 PM
Give Sonic Team a break. It's not their fault that Sega is treating them so badly that there's not enough resources to come up with great ideas anymore. Lack of time, bad ideas.
And yes, I'm posting in the right topic.
Werehog not withstanding, I don't think ideas is Sonic Team's problem. They've had plenty of good ones. What they lack is polish, which comes with, as you said, lack of time.
Quote from: Protoman Blues on January 08, 2009, 08:11:37 PM
Well, being that Sonic is fighting an evil King Arthur, I doubt they'll use Le Fey or Mordred.
I dunno.
One "obligatory storyline twist" that I think could be in mind, is that the one who is posing as Arthur/Black Knight is NOT Arthur, but rather Mordred, defaming Arthur. Mordred and Morgan were always trying to take the Kingdom for themselves in the storylore, so why not here too?
That would make perfect sense for Calibur, the Sword, to be either Arthur himself (turned into the sword), or some other agent acting on the real one's behalf. After all, who better to supposedly teach Sonic about all there is to being a knight, than the "once and true king" himself?
It's some what contrived, but hey, like I said on RPM before the crash, it's the best plot twist that I could imagine S. Team's storywriters coming up with, if they wanted to keep things at least some what interesting.
Quote from: Hypershell on January 09, 2009, 03:14:56 AM
Werehog not withstanding, I don't think ideas is Sonic Team's problem. They've had plenty of good ones. What they lack is polish, which comes with, as you said, lack of time.
I would still argue that they/modern Sonic Team lack focus, more often than not.
If they would do more to stay with a few great ideas that they can develop, rather than be all over the place with a lot of ideas that even THEY seem to have problems imagining where to go with them, they likely wouldn't have had the problems that they would have in the likes of Sonic 06 (and Nights 2, for that matter).
A "lack of time" excuse starts to really lose its "impact", once its plain to see that the ideas that they pose...aren't all that they're cracked up to be, no matter how they try to convey it. I mean, for instance...who's bright idea was to make it so Shadow would drive cars (again) in 06?
Still, I think probably the biggest problem with Sonic, above all else, is that Sonic Team themselves are probably tired of being stuck making his games. If Sega really can't afford to "retire" the brand (or at least, give him an extended break), then how about giving some new blood a chance at him?
I mean, for crying out loud, Sega! You relatively recently got the likes of Treasure back on your good side. PUT THEM TO USE on these types of projects, which could serve to make you and them money, so that you both could stand to fund your own, individual projects! Plus, a Treasure-made Sonic game could stand to be something of greatness...
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on January 09, 2009, 06:30:50 AM
I dunno.
One "obligatory storyline twist" that I think could be in mind, is that the one who is posing as Arthur/Black Knight is NOT Arthur, but rather Mordred, defaming Arthur. Mordred and Morgan were always trying to take the Kingdom for themselves in the storylore, so why not here too?
That would make perfect sense for Calibur, the Sword, to be either Arthur himself (turned into the sword), or some other agent acting on the real one's behalf. After all, who better to supposedly teach Sonic about all there is to being a knight, than the "once and true king" himself?
It's some what contrived, but hey, like I said on RPM before the crash, it's the best plot twist that I could imagine S. Team's storywriters coming up with, if they wanted to keep things at least some what interesting.
See, I thought of this as well actually, during a random time I was thinking about Arthurian legend and then suddenly this game popped into my head as well. LoL, way to go Sega!
I'll admit, it does seem the route that they'll possibly go, but Calibur (which I STILL say should sing) could also possibly have something to do with Merlin as well. I still do wonder if he'll have a Super form in this game or not. We shall see.
QuoteStill, I think probably the biggest problem with Sonic, above all else, is that Sonic Team themselves are probably tired of being stuck making his games. If Sega really can't afford to "retire" the brand (or at least, give him an extended break), then how about giving some new blood a chance at him?
I still say maybe give Nintendo a shot at creating a Sonic game! 8D
Quote from: Protoman Blues on January 09, 2009, 07:22:23 AM
I still say maybe give Nintendo a shot at creating a Sonic game! 8D
From the instant SEGA became available, Nintendo should have bought them, cleaned the fat from them and put them to work making new games from their IP pool. Think of how amazing that would be. Hell, Nintendo to an extent made Sonic important again a la the Genesis/SNES wars just by hyping his appearance in Brawl, they could have rallied off of that.
Still though, I'm not going to say that SEGA as of now isn't capable of handling Sonic. Another team should be given a shot at it though. (Smilebit, I'm looking at you.)
lol at Shadow. though his head armor... confuses me...also, I would lol if they actually used Omega in this. a robot in midevil times. more of a logic error than Lancelot Shadow.
something says Tails is gonna end up a stable boy or something. a squire at best.
and if secret rings was any indication, then Id say they will probably come up with a new super form. probably something that will better utilize the games setup.
It's just Sonic with the Holy Hand Grenade.
Quote from: STM on January 11, 2009, 06:02:31 AM
It's just Sonic with the Holy Hand Grenade.
And Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals and fruit bats and large...
SEGA of America have put out a new blog entry confirming a few upcoming SEGA games that will be playable at their booth at Comic Con which is going to be held at New York City between Feb 6-8.
Sonic and the Black Knight will be one of those games besides MadWorld, The Conduit, and The House of the Dead: Overkill and the event will be one of the first times the public will have seen the game. Is anyone here going who lives in the U.S. or can afford travel to the U.S.? If so we'd love to hear your thoughts on the game.
http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2009/01/12/four-awesome-reasons-to-attend-the-ny-comic-con/#more-184
This is the part where we throw Lou, PB and Jelly out there to be our test dummies.
I'm all up for that honestly. I just hope my schedule will be free then.
Quote from: STM on January 13, 2009, 03:46:03 PM
This is the part where we throw Lou, PB and Jelly out there to be our test dummies.
As long as you don't completely break them before they try Madworld.
LoL, I was going anyway. It's the Comic Con. XD
Excellent. It'll be good to hear some impressions on this game, since it seems to be one hell of a divisive title.
Well, we'll see if I play it. I'm definitely hoping to. If it's like the DBZ: Burst Limit booth, there should be no problem.
However, if there's a long ass line to play these games, I can't promise anything! 8D
i should try and attend. not because Black Knight will be there, i just need to go to a Comic Con.
Yeah, same here. That's the beauty of living in NYC! XD
Though, I'm not certain i'll be able to make it there. (job/school... >.>) I'll try.
What day are you guys planning to go btw?
As of right now, I'm not actually sure.
Well Im going to Comicon, so i guess ill probably see you guys at the Sega booth! 8D
Man, I never get to go to any con! :'(
Calm down. this is my first time going.
Im also debating whether or not I should go as Anime Tenchou.
Con's are... interesting, to say the least. You'll see some oddballs but also meet some people who are genuinely cool. But for the most part, lots of people who enter a new realm of weird.
Oh, and teen girls running around yelling Japanese words while cosplaying. Usually something to avoid unless you are a teen boy. Otherwise, Chris Hansen may appear.
Quote from: STM on January 14, 2009, 07:25:50 AM
Oh, and teen girls running around yelling Japanese words while cosplaying.
[tornado fang] if they weren't all screaming at the very sight of T.M. Revolution last year.
Quote from: STM on January 14, 2009, 07:25:50 AM
Oh, and teen girls running around yelling Japanese words while cosplaying.
if i experience this, i'll be sure to go in my Agito costume and shout expletives all the [tornado fang]ing time.
You'll probably/hopefully find more Comic Book than Anime fans there.
Quote from: Protoman Blues on January 14, 2009, 08:19:25 AM
You'll probably/hopefully find more Comic Book than Anime fans there.
question- should I cosplay Anime tenchou? im REALLY unsure. 's my first time goin.
I say, why the hell not? It's not like you get the chance to use your costume in public every day.
Quote from: Protoman Blues on January 14, 2009, 08:19:25 AM
You'll probably/hopefully find more Comic Book than Anime fans there.
It's questionable. Megacon is a pretty big comics convention, yet it's slowly becoming more and more weeaboo, at least based on what some of the people we met there who were frequent attendees.
IMO, the whole point of a con is to just go meet non-insane bitches (I.E. NOT those anime fangirls.) and have a party in a hotel room until about 6am. Good times...
This works best when it's out of town.
Quote from: Taiyo on January 14, 2009, 03:54:53 PM
I say, why the hell not? It's not like you get the chance to use your costume in public every day.
Im getting the Weekend pass... So I plan on the first day going normal, and seeing what happens. then the second day either go or not go in my costume depending on how the first day goes.
To all those going to NY Comic-con...
You plan on going to the Mirage/TMNT Booth? 8D
Unfortunately, I ain't sure if they're slated to appear at the September Comic-con in Baltimore, MD (my home turf) later this year, and I can't go to this one, so I'm hoping you guys can maybe swing by and see if you can shake 'em up for any good stuff.
...like how the likes of Slash, Bebop and Rocksteady MUST be in that new TMNT Smash-like game coming out later this year. 8D It just won't be quite the party with out a lot of the characters most of us grew up with!
According to the official web, they'll be having a panel from 5:45-6:45PM on that Friday.
Quote from: STM on January 14, 2009, 08:03:39 PM
It's questionable. Megacon is a pretty big comics convention, yet it's slowly becoming more and more weeaboo, at least based on what some of the people we met there who were frequent attendees.
IMO, the whole point of a con is to just go meet non-insane bitches (I.E. NOT those anime fangirls.) and have a party in a hotel room until about 6am. Good times...
LoL, my whole point of a Con is usually just to go, talk to creators and check out panels, and perhaps get an autograph or two. Last year, I met the creators of Thundercats & Galaxy Rangers, two of my favorite 80's cartoon shows. I had a really nice talk with both of them.
Plus, the reason I say I'd like more Comic Book fans is because NY HAS an Anime Festival for those very same people. In the long run, it's [tornado fang]ing hot in the Javitz no matter what! XD
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on January 15, 2009, 04:00:26 AM
To all those going to NY Comic-con...
You plan on going to the Mirage/TMNT Booth? 8D
Unfortunately, I ain't sure if they're slated to appear at the September Comic-con in Baltimore, MD (my home turf) later this year, and I can't go to this one, so I'm hoping you guys can maybe swing by and see if you can shake 'em up for any good stuff.
...like how the likes of Slash, Bebop and Rocksteady MUST be in that new TMNT Smash-like game coming out later this year. 8D It just won't be quite the party with out a lot of the characters most of us grew up with!
I'll see what I can do! 8D
Yeah. Im definetly getting me some autographs. hope I get ta meet up with ya PB! 8)
Even if I can't really go the cons, I hope see pics of the your experiences and I hope hear about some the stuff they are showcasing in the show.
I might make my own little review on MY experience, though PB might be better suited for that, since hes been to a few more,
New screenshots and Video (http://www.gpara.com/comingsoon/ankokunokishi/090116/index.php) (I didn't have the proper plugin, so video didn't work for me)
It seems Shahra may be returning as Merlina.
Posted on: January 16, 2009, 09:54:41 AM
Video can now be seen here! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFA3thiIEzc)
I don't recall Sonic having Zero's rolling slash in one of those few minutes.. huh. ???
But this game looks fun.
*shocked* Um guys.... *points at the purple hair elfgirl* aren't you seeing a trend going on here? o.o
Quote from: Vixy on January 16, 2009, 08:10:57 PM
*shocked* Um guys.... *points at the purple hair elfgirl* aren't you seeing a trend going on here? o.o
SEGA's cohorts have been here.. too long. What's next, XvZ theme during the faithful boss fight between Sonic and Shadow?
Game still looks like crap. I'll probably give this one a pass.
Quote from: STM on January 16, 2009, 08:25:41 PM
Game still looks like crap. I'll probably give this one a pass.
Well, It looks like we have a sega toughie, who won't give this a shot. Biasement and poor terms of quality for sonic games has taken it's toll.
... Does anyone that can take a close look at the Black Knight's armor, and notice something strangely similar to X's CM armor?
Design wise, it doesn't look that great at all. I'm really questioning the whole point of the sword if it's not really doing anything special. Secret Rings was given a bit of a free ride because it was early into the console's life and some of the actions the fire ring had made sense. The blade, however, just seems thrown in. Even Sonic Unleashed on Wii/PS2 looks far more entertaining than this, and those two still have a "cheap" feel to them.
Frankly, I'd rather not waste my cash. Usually I can tell when I'll like a Sonic game or not... call it years with the franchise. Unleashed had me at the Holoska trailer. This one though, as much as I found Secret Rings fun, really isn't making me go, "Sega, take my $50."
Well now that I've finally seen the video without it chopping up on me:
- The premise still has yet to sell me, but the game looks decent from what I can tell from the YT video.
- Purple haired female supporting characters are big at SEGA apparently. (Cue Ghost Girl - Merlin Girl comparisons)
- The Knight of The Wind tag makes sense now.
- WHERE. ARE. THE. RINGS?
That's all for now.
...Good eye, Jelly. I didn't even notice that. There's a severe lack of rings in this game. Not that that's a major complaint, but it does deserve a "WTF?"
EDIT: Apparently, you get rings in sacks. They don't seem to be free range.
Quote from: STM on January 16, 2009, 08:57:15 PM
...Good eye, Jelly. I didn't even notice that. There's a severe lack of rings in this game. Not that that's a major complaint, but it does deserve a "WTF?"
EDIT: Apparently, you get rings in sacks. They don't seem to be free range.
Must be the fact that Sonic knows Rakkujin. that move was cheap in the X series.
I was thinking the King imposed a ring tax because he's a dick. 8D
Also, since apparently Merlina is Sharha... why am I expecting the Black Knight to look like Erazor?
i'm not going to give a verdict till i actually play the damn thing. cause my inner childhood compels me to try it out. but lessons learned from recent Sonics:
1) NEVER judge a game by its trailer.
2) expect the worst, so if it turns out to be crap, you won't be disappointed.
Quote from: Gaia on January 16, 2009, 08:13:28 PM
SEGA's cohorts have been here.. too long. What's next, XvZ theme during the faithful boss fight between Sonic and Shadow?
you totally missed the point.
Quote from: Gaia on January 16, 2009, 09:15:34 PM
Rakkujin
which move now?
Quote from: Satoryu on January 16, 2009, 09:24:33 PM
i'm not going to give a verdict till i actually play the damn thing. cause my inner childhood compels me to try it out. but lessons learned from recent Sonics:
1) NEVER judge a game by its trailer.
2) expect the worst, so if it turns out to be crap, you won't be disappointed.
you totally missed the point.
which move now?
I think it was the rolling slash. but still, I swear some of those moves in the gameplay scream Zero. But I have my expectations, game looks fun to play.
I think he means the Kuuenbu in X4, which returned in X5 and is extremely useful for obliterating Sigma's second form rapidly.
i know what move it is. i'm just saying that Rakkujin isn't one of them. or any of Zero's moves.
Quote from: Satoryu on January 16, 2009, 09:38:22 PM
i know what move it is. i'm just saying that Rakkujin isn't one of them. or any of Zero's moves.
Still, they look similar.. creepy on sega's part.
Not really... Sonic spins when he jumps. Sonic is now holding a sword...
:V
Posted on: January 16, 2009, 03:43:11 PM
http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14268379/sonic--the-black-knight-/videos/sonicknight_trailer_011609.html
SoA's turn at a trailer. Few things to note... aside from sharing a few clips and the somewhat better Gioeli-less theme, you'll see the game in 2D perspective, one, and two, toward the end, Sonic in full Knight style... and very likely what the "final form" will look like.
It still makes me conduct face-palm interfacing, but whatever. Enjoy it, people who like this game.
vocal Knight of the Wind > instrumental Knight of the Wind
(EDITS: Speaking of themes, I just got the idea of looking up the Sonic Unleashed theme on YouTube. As soon as I'm done cleansing my ears with peroxide, I'm signing up Matt Cassamasina for yet another boot to the head for claiming that such a pile of puke somehow beats the 80's rock style themes.)
The idea of full armor being the possible final form isn't my favorite, but I guess we can't have Darkspine Sonic in every storybook game, can we?
Quote from: Hypershell on January 16, 2009, 10:47:51 PM
vocal Knight of the Wind > instrumental Knight of the Wind
Quoted for [tornado fang]ing truth.
Well, it wouldn't make much sense for Darkspines, given that I believe it's the Golden Knight that beats the Black Knight, at least as far as the usual story is concerned.
It does seem that the opening, transformation and ending scenes are rendered by the same people who did the animation for Unleashed HD (and several of its cutscenes) and night of the werehog. It's a shame the rest of the game couldn't get a little bit of a face lift too. Again, aside from the dominant level colors changing, it doesn't look all that different visually from Secret Rings, making it look cheap.
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I'm highly disappointed in the armor.
Quote from: Superdee on January 16, 2009, 11:28:51 PM
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I'm highly disappointed in the armor.
Okay, but I think they did that to keep track at the theme, seeing Darkspine was the god of persia under a diffrent persona, I belive in Rings.
who put flood control?
alright, i can live with the sword. but the armor is just plain stupid. if they really wanted a gold knight, what's wrong with just giving Super Sonic the sword?
my expectations are a few points lower now. come on, Sega. prove me wrong. i DARE you.
If they put in Super Sonic, he'd just chuck the sword away and kill things on his own. He did a nice job of shooting Dark Gaia in the head, after all. Completely Kid Goku vs. King Piccolo'd him.
i'm thinking SS could bust out some slick sword moves. all Segs has to do is watch a few episodes of the Future Trunks arc.
*pictures SS vertically bisecting the Black Knight*
That would be pretty sweet... but this is Sega, that won't happen. I bet you it'll end in some friendship speech moment, which even Unleashed ended with... and accented with that god-awful credits song, "My Best Friend."
Ugh... I'd have been happy with just Endless Possibility, the main orchestrated theme and then Apotos Day.
Quote from: STM on January 17, 2009, 12:03:56 AM
That would be pretty sweet... but this is Sega, that won't happen. I bet you it'll end in some friendship speech moment, which even Unleashed ended with... and accented with that god-awful credits song, "My Best Friend."
Ugh... I'd have been happy with just Endless Possibility, the main orchestrated theme and then Apotos Day.
More than likely your right, especially since the Black Knight was taken over by some evil thing (ya know, the same plot device used in damn near every 'puppet' villain), and in truth is King Arthur.
I just want the game play to be good. I thought Secret Rings was pretty decent, but the controls and some missions screwed up the game (dunno if it's a glitch or not, but on one of those race things with the ball of light, it went from -30 to +70 in a single tick and made me lose the race >< ). Since S&tBK is pretty much in a similar vein, it's better to compare it with Secret Rings. One thing they need to do is say "screw the missions, make it more linear" and go for something like "choose the area and act" rather than do "x amount of missions to continue on". As for the controls, make them a bit more responsive and not faked up. Something like having the Nunchaku and flailing around seems better than having to guide something and the damn blue blur not turn around or back up or whatever even when he's standing still.
Honestly, I like the armor. Considering how it goes with the theme, it's better than Super Sonic wielding a giant sword. Though, what sucks is, there's only going to be one damn level you can play as that form in. How do I know this? Answer me this, when was the last time you could play as Super Sonic whenever the hell you felt like it on a console game?
I would assume Brawl doesn't count. :P
On the one hand,
YEAH, SLAP US IN THE FACE SOME MORE, SONIC TEAM.
THE ARMOR GOES SUPER?! PLEASE.
On the other hand,
Well, it does make sense to do that instead, for reasons already explained.
What IM tired of is "epic orchestrated final boss music!" its annoying and only has the opposite effect of making it UN epic. why couldnt they just have damn played endless possibilities?
the game looks fun, but I still dont like the premis. leave the weapons to Shadow. we dont like him with them, but he at least has a history with swords and guns and the like. Sonic.... NO. he belongs in loopdeloop worlds with gold rings just lying around. rings in sacks?
fail. its not sonic unless theres rings lying around loose.
so in all, the game looks cool, and fun and pretty, but Ill probably pass. im not digging Sonic with a weapon. even if its nicely done. plus the failden armor. just give supersonic a sword, and be done with it. you dont need to give him a full suit of armor, because it defeats the point of him being super fast. things like armor should be left to knuckles.
Quote from: Ballade on January 17, 2009, 12:49:44 AM
Honestly, I like the armor. Considering how it goes with the theme, it's better than Super Sonic wielding a giant sword. Though, what sucks is, there's only going to be one damn level you can play as that form in. How do I know this? Answer me this, when was the last time you could play as Super Sonic whenever the hell you felt like it on a console game?
Do you by any chance know Final Fantasy Sonic X series by any chance? It's a flash series, but that's not the point. Sonic's fullbody armor does look shiny, don't you think?
Quote from: Satoryu on January 16, 2009, 11:49:39 PM
i'm thinking SS could bust out some slick sword moves. all Segs has to do is watch a few episodes of the Future Trunks arc.
*pictures SS vertically bisecting the Black Knight*
This.
Quote from: STM on January 17, 2009, 12:03:56 AM
but this is Sega, that won't happen.
...and this. ;O;
Quote from: Flame on January 17, 2009, 04:33:18 AM
leave the weapons to Shadow.
Ordinarily, I'd agree. But just for the sake of buzz-saw spin attacks, I'm willing to try the sword.
As for Shadow, well, I realize Sega thinks that guns give him an edgey tone, but why the hell does he
need them? If you want to run with the projectile mechanic (didn't mind it in ShTH; never played Sonic '06), he has Chaos Spear.
So I guess it's safe to say that after viewing the two trailers, as well as Gold Ranger Knight Sonic, I'm the only one looking even more forward to this game then before? 8D
Its like why the hell Sonic needs to race in a CAR when he can run faster than one. which applies to Sonic Riders too. why the hell does he need an air board when he can run past the speed of sound?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZGHwokZtLc
Quote from: Flame on January 17, 2009, 05:57:47 AM
Its like why the hell Sonic needs to race in a CAR when he can run faster than one. which applies to Sonic Riders too. why the hell does he need an air board when he can run past the speed of sound?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZGHwokZtLc
Most awesome 2-second vid ever. 8)
That's one of the reasons why I loved the first episode of Sonic X so much (Jap BGM works much better than US for that scene, though).
On the other hand, it's also a criticism that can be taken all the way back to Game Gear days....
Quote from: Flame on January 17, 2009, 04:33:18 AM
What IM tired of is "epic orchestrated final boss music!" its annoying and only has the opposite effect of making it UN epic. why couldnt they just have damn played endless possibilities?
Really? You'd rather have that whiny voice pissass Jared Riddick screaming his lungs out while kicking the crap out of a gigantic super-evil being? THAT is mood killing, considering the lyrics are already bad. Leave the main theme for the credits. They actually fit as a "the world is saved! Let's party!" thing.
The orchestrated main themes for final bosses will suffice perfectly fine. If you hate it that much, though, you can thank the stars PS3 and 360 are packing the option for custom soundtracks.
Usually I enjoy the use of the main theme as a final boss battle BGM, but there are exceptions. Unleashed is definitely one of them, I hate its main theme. The actual final boss theme used is decent, not the most epic, but it suffices.
The other is Sonic Heroes, the title theme works as a title theme, but for battle, What I'm Made Of was infinitely better (WHY they didn't use it instead of the Sonic Heroes theme for Brawl, I will never know).
The game that definitely SHOULDN'T have replaced the title theme is Adventure, for Perfect Chaos part 2. The spontaneous switch really breaks the flow, and the second BGM blows anyway.
Yes, I agree there. I never did like Perfect Chaos 2's music. Open Your Heart and Live and Learn seemed to have been high energy enough to work as final boss themes too, and that's fine. His World and Endless Possibility don't fall down this group either, along with Next and Unleashed breaking off into a different musical style from just Jun Senoue and his guitar.
Seven Rings In Hand worked very well as the final final boss theme! I mean, it was flawless! 8D
I did like It Has Come To This for the first Erazor fight though. A lot, actually.
Much agreed, PB, much agreed... 8)
I can't tell you how much I WOULD be using Seven Rings In Hand in Brawl if I wasn't such a huge Live And Learn addict.
Although I do miss the Genesis days where the final boss music didn't include lyrics but was final boss music with a cool theme.
Huh... I liked Endless possibilities, but then again, personal opinion.
Quote from: GAP on January 17, 2009, 07:37:54 AM
Although I do miss the Genesis days where the final boss music didn't include lyrics but was final boss music with a cool theme.
I gotta admit, a STH3 final boss remix would be pretty badass....
Malicious Fingers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycSJZS5VJIo&fmt=18)
Quote from: Protoman Blues on January 17, 2009, 06:56:22 AM
Seven Rings In Hand worked very well as the final final boss theme! I mean, it was flawless! 8D
I did like It Has Come To This for the first Erazor fight though. A lot, actually.
This song, much like a good chunk of Secret Rings' OST, is sooooo underrated. I'll tell you, honestly, that I really don't care much for hard rock in general outside of a few exceptions, but damn if this one wasn't good. XD
I'm a fan of the scorpion boss' music. That opening is pretty badass.
Also, that remix of Sonic 3's Final Boss wasn't good... but neither was most of that album. This is one time I'd say Jun Senoue would do a much better job at working on that song.
The best boss music in Secret Rings was EASILY Blue On The Run. Hell, that ranks as one of my favorite all time Sonic songs.
This is utterly random, but serves two purposes:
1. why we'll never see Hyper Sonic in action again, and 2. I feel like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE_YQLN4iCo&feature=related
SUPER SUPREME SEIZURE BEAM!
Quote from: HyperSonic.EXE on January 17, 2009, 05:45:31 PM
Malicious Fingers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycSJZS5VJIo&fmt=18)
They skip a few notes and they tend to ignore background instruments. Other than that, kickass.
Quote from: Protoman Blues on January 17, 2009, 06:14:22 PM
The best boss music in Secret Rings was EASILY Blue On The Run. Hell, that ranks as one of my favorite all time Sonic songs.
Seconded. Blue On The Run was awesome, though as far as I'm concerned, Poison Spear and Unawakening Float aren't far behind.
Blue On The Run is high up there for me, too. But I'm also a big fan of That's How It Started and It's Come To...... aw hell, I love all the Secret Rings boss themes. >w< Poison Spear is probably lowest on the list, but it's tough to rank the others.
Japanese Boxart
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pjGPo9uiL._SS500_.jpg)
I likes it! XD
Although it could be a little flashier, I like it!
Very cool!
One thing I like to point out in the trailers... where are the rings?
In Mordor.
I wonder what the WiFi feature is like, seeing that Secret Rings didn't have it.
(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/Nashico666/page01.jpg)
(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/Nashico666/page02.jpg)
(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o382/Nashico666/page03.jpg)
This is getting silly.
Shadow looks kickass holding his sword like that! But where's Blaze?
They don't look bad, but I find Shadow's visor kinda silly =/
Also, looks like Tails is a blacksmith or something.
Quote from: VirusChris on January 26, 2009, 02:28:37 AM
Shadow looks kickass holding his sword like that!
He's just a wannabe toughguy.
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2487/solbadguydt8.gif)
Indeed, I see no Blaze! :(
Quote from: Taiyo on January 26, 2009, 03:25:41 AM
They don't look bad, but I find Shadow's visor kinda silly =/
Also, looks like Tails is a blacksmith or something.
Yeah, Tails was confirmed to be a blacksmith of some sort a lil while ago. A shame, though. I could have seen him working perhaps as "Galahad" or something to that effect. I mean, if they've already done a lot of silliness thus far (Blaze is supposedly "Joan of Arc" now, which makes even LESS sense!), why not, I say? 8D
Any way...it still weirds me out quite a bit that I'm actually looking forward to playing this game, in spite of my overall pessimism reserved for modern Sonic games that aren't on a portable system.
Ah well.... :V
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on January 26, 2009, 05:43:03 AM
Any way...it still weirds me out quite a bit that I'm actually looking forward to playing this game, in spite of my overall pessimism reserved for modern Sonic games that aren't on a portable system.
Ah well.... :V
Perhaps my blind optimism is getting to you, Ben? 8D
Blaze, Joan of Arc? That may work if Blaze was a crazy french girl who hears voices who tell her to go off into battle against the English and succeed.
Never mind the whole... burned at the stake thing... Blaze controlling fire and all.
seeing Tails as a blacksmith makes me realize how much Sonic Adventure has ruined his character. i am sick an tired of him being some machine wiz / genius. whatever happened to just being Sonic's pal who follows him around and gives him a boost?
i've come to the conclusion that i flat out despise this game's concept. it the dumbest thing i've seen in a while. seeing Sonic in a full suit of armor was the clincher, really. i can only hope that the gameplay is alright.
But he's the KNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGHTTT OF THE WIND! 8D
Besides, at least they're honest that this game is a fairy tale! LoL, it's plot sounds better to me than most of the others.
Quote from: Satoryu on January 26, 2009, 04:19:55 PM
seeing Tails as a blacksmith makes me realize how much Sonic Adventure has ruined his character. i am sick an tired of him being some machine wiz / genius. whatever happened to just being Sonic's pal who follows him around and gives him a boost?
Well to be fair, the old games did a pretty poor job of portraying the characters too (mostly due to there being no dialog). In S3&K, Knux went around snickering and chuckling like a fool while setting traps for you (instead of, y'know, actually fighting you). He seemed more like some village idiot Eggman hired to pull pranks on you than a concerned protector of the master emerald (until hidden palace where he
actually fought you...which wasn't until the
end of the game).
Tails himself was always a "machine whiz" since the beginning (hence the "repaired" tornado at the end of Sonic 2, the spaceship from STF, the sub from one of the GG games, etc.). It is only since SA1 that they focused on the genius aspect more (probably due to that fact that they actually added dialog).
To me, it's just mostly due to Sonic Team's general poor writing skills and character portrayal.
And in all honesty, Tails is seen as annoying not only due to the fact that he's all "techy", but also because he was such a poor sidekick (gameplay-wise at least). I can't tell you how many people I knew hated him way before SA1 was even a thought.
Quote from: Protoman Blues on January 26, 2009, 06:16:41 PM
Besides, at least they're honest that this game is a fairy tale!
Sonic Team's quality control is a fairy tale.
Quote from: Superdee on January 26, 2009, 10:41:11 PM
Well to be fair, the old games did a pretty poor job of portraying the characters too (mostly due to there being no dialog). In S3&K, Knux went around snickering and chuckling like a fool while setting traps for you (instead of, y'know, actually fighting you). He seemed more like some village idiot Eggman hired to pull pranks on you than a concerned protector of the master emerald (until hidden palace where he actually fought you...which wasn't until the end of the game).
Tails himself was always a "machine whiz" since the beginning (hence the "repaired" tornado at the end of Sonic 2, the spaceship from STF, the sub from one of the GG games, etc.). It is only since SA1 that they focused on the genius aspect more (probably due to that fact that they actually added dialog).
To me, it's just mostly due to Sonic Team's general poor writing skills and character portrayal.
And in all honesty, Tails is seen as annoying not only due to the fact that he's all "techy", but also because he was such a poor sidekick (gameplay-wise at least). I can't tell you how many people I knew hated him way before SA1 was even a thought.
Then they made Amy more crushy-crushy on Sonic when they added dialouge, I never really liked her high-piched VA'ing, but the design is likeable at least.
Even though she appeared to be in CD, acting like that one princess. (As to Split Mushroom: Take a wild guess!)
Quote from: Acid on January 26, 2009, 10:59:24 PM
Sonic Team's quality control is a fairy tale.
That's why this game cannot possibly fail! 8D
Quote from: Gaia on January 26, 2009, 11:00:42 PM
Even though she appeared to be in CD
appeared to be?
Quote from: Satoryu on January 26, 2009, 11:18:14 PM
appeared to be?
Well, Haven't see Amy that much in the stages, she was kidnapped and made her debut, but apparently I quite missed (not focused enough) her frequently in some stages.
Hey look, it's Blaze Percival.
(http://www.wiinintendo.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/percival_3side.jpg)
http://www.wiinintendo.net/2009/01/28/sonic-and-the-black-knight-character-models/
Really now... I honestly find these visors silly. at least Super Sonic has a full damn helmet.
They look fine, I'm just wondering how they stay on the characters' faces.
Quote from: Hypershell on January 29, 2009, 02:58:15 AM
They look fine, I'm just wondering how they stay on the characters' faces.
Game logic, or they're secretly attached to their heads.
Quote from: Hypershell on January 29, 2009, 02:58:15 AM
They look fine, I'm just wondering how they stay on the characters' faces.
Same way the back of Blaze's ears are randomly armored.
BURN IN THE FIRES OF SIR PERCIVAL!
Quote from: Nexus on January 29, 2009, 03:04:48 AM
Game logic, or they're secretly attached to their heads.
Say,... anyone ever read the Tripods Book series?
Um.... in like fifth grade I think.
Needless to say I don't remember much of them.
typical giant 3 legged alien robot invasion. they have these whip like tentacles too. they pick a person up and basically take them inside the dome on top of the legs and attach this helmet on their heads. the helmets are integrated with their skulls. later, when the people (who wernt captured) find out how to remove them, they instead start using on the humans these metal plates that go directly over the skull inside the head.
Nexus' comment reminded me of that. 8D
Sonic and the Black Knight NYCC gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7auBCZLMtCo)
Quote from: Superdee on February 07, 2009, 03:11:55 AM
Sonic and the Black Knight NYCC gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7auBCZLMtCo)
Wow, aside from dying from the first boss, he made the game look easy!
Is that ACTUALLY the Hedgehog engine slowed down?
That actually looks pretty fun. How he died on the Mist Dragon, I don't know.
i dunno. i'm more curious as to what everyone is cheering about in the background.
It's not the Hedgehog Engine. It's the Secret Rings engine modified.
The game itself? I should smack anyone who calls Unleashed on-rails but applauds this title. The sword still doesn't sell any benefit whatsoever aside from the game's flavored gimmick. Ideally, I hope this tanks hard. Realistically, Wii owners will eat it up. (sigh)
...May as well throw this out there for those who are too busy with rose-tinted glasses. On Sega's Blog, there's an entry with some details of the game. I figured I may as well set your hype meters off since there's no hope in deterring people from this title:
Quote from: Sega"In the beginning we get a big cut scene in which Sonic is summoned by Merlina, we don't see Sonic prior to this so the first we actually see him he's plummeting to earth bellowing in terror. Before face-planting. Sonic then has to do some acrobatics in order to save his two Chili Dogs that he'd obviously just bought. Confronted by the evil warriors of the Black Knight and the frightened girl who pleads with him for help Sonic shrugs and, after eating one of the Chili Dogs (yes, he coolly makes everyone wait for him to do something) admits he's rather familiar with the drill and proceeds to kick some booty. There are various things that will seem familiar to you but as Sonic himself remarks during the tutorial (yes, there is a tutorial process but it is MUCH better than the one on Secret Rings) "The rules seem a bit different this time." Indeed, there's actually a slight twist in the plot as Sonic is essentially starting as the bad guy trying to stop the legitimate, if corrupted, King. As such he is quickly dubbed a naive. Now, as you go through stages you'll spot lots of fairies (they look like chao heads) about the place.
Yellow Fairies - These give you rings so collect them, you can also get rings through other means such as smashing pots.
Red Fairies - These give a significant boost to your soul gauge, which makes a return from SatSR. The long lines of pearls are replaced by juicy red apples this time around.
Blue Fairies - You'll find these in strings across your path and they will give you a significant speed boost - they are your dash pads.
Missions
Stages increase in length as you go through unsurprisingly, some are simple races through whilst others will see you doing various "heroic deeds" which range from simply helping you to master certain techniques to specific tasks to please the Lady of the Lake, who look remarkably like Amy - which leads to some awkwardness!
In one mission you will have to give the townspeople rings, this involves firstly doing away with any foes around that are terrorising them then pressing the Z button to instigate a conversation. You'll then have to do a little QTE which I assure you is a lot easier and quicker than a certain flying level in Unleashed. Success will give them 20 rings and will make them very happy. Failure will leave them disappointed and you won't be able to try again with them, so beware. If you overshoot you can do a quick sommersault backwards by the way.
Once you've done this the first time you'll soon spot the odd villager in other stages who has a speech bubble over their head. Talking to them will start another QTE for ring and success will gain you a mystery present.
Unlockables, Collectables & The Art Contest
As you pass through the game you'll find and gain all sorts of little collectables that you will have to identify outside of levels. There are 200 in all to collect and include special badges of rank should you defeat a lot of foes, etc. You'll be able to trade these with friends over Nintendo Wi-Fi.
You'll also unlock special media as you go in a vault similar to the book from SatSR, I've seen character art, cut scenes, music and art all mentioned as well as one tab for "character voices" hmmmm.... But one of the first things you'll get is three videos. These videos contain the European/Australian, American/Canadian and Japanese winners of the Sonic & The Black Knight art contest with their names emblazoned across the bottom!
Versus The Knights
I played through until I got passed Knuckles (Gawain), who is the second of the triumvirate (great word that) of Knights you will face on your way up to fighting the Black Knight himself. Knuckles is very honourable naturally enough and has grave doubts about his King's actions which deeply trouble him whilst Shadow (Lancelot) shows unwavering loyalty despite the Black Knight's meanings.
The 1-on-1 duels are fast, furious and intense!
Also during cutscenes where you encounter the Knight of the Round table in the back ground you'll here instrumental versions of musical themes associated with them. Shadow had "Throw It All Away" whilst Knuckles, who was not dozing in the dusk, has his instrumental of "Unknown from M.E.". I didn't get to Blaze (Percival) so I'll be very interested as to what hers might be... because she's never really had a 'theme' as such."
Well... at least they finally ditched "All Fail Shadow".
Bringing his TRUE theme? it's much more suiting to the theme than All Hail Shadow. You know, I was thinking Vela-Nova for Blaze, a recreation of Sonic Rush's 7th Boss fight. If not, then Silver's theme then for her.
Quote from: Superdee on February 07, 2009, 03:11:55 AM
Sonic and the Black Knight NYCC gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7auBCZLMtCo)
You know, I just don't get it, how is it that SEGA can perfectly nail a stable Sonic engine, tease the [tornado fang] out of us with gameplay that looks good, but still flood the game with unnecessary design choices?
EDIT - What the [tornado fang]? Momentum based platforming, is that you? Weird thing is, the sword swings will break the flow so quickly while he's on foot.
I want to try this one before I criticize it from a gameplay video, but damn, it just seems like this is the first 3D Sonic that looks like if it removed the sword based gameplay and was given a different coat of paint similar to let's say the creativity of Unleashed's day stages, would be completely amazing. And on Wii no less.
Quote from: Jericho on February 07, 2009, 04:30:09 AMWeird thing is, the sword swings will break the flow so quickly while he's on foot.
Well, if Nintendo Power is to be trusted, the sword fighting doesn't interrupt the flow too much.
The Nintendo Power review sounded way too kiss-ass. I'm not surprised, though. Nintendo Power rating a Nintendo Wii title well is as shocking as Game Informer giving out 10s to over-hyped titles. Neither should be taken seriously at all.
IGN's seemed to say the sword controls were annoying, almost clumsy because of the lag time between firing the attack and actually damaging the enemy... time which the enemy can quickly counterattack you. The video really did not help the game look any more amusing. This would be the part where someone makes a slideshow for Sega saying [Unleashed Day Levels and Music: Good!] [Unleashed Night Levels: Okay! Needed more Knuckles!] [Werehog gimmick: NO!] [Sword gimmick: NO!][Any other useless gameplay addition to Unleashed Day play style: NO!]
Quote from: STM on February 07, 2009, 05:16:16 AM
IGN's seemed to say the sword controls were annoying, almost clumsy because of the lag time between firing the attack and actually damaging the enemy... time which the enemy can quickly counterattack you.
to play devil's advocate, they could just be hating on Sonic cause it's what everyone's used to doing.
the bit about chili dogs caught my eye, but the mention of a tutorial made me cringe.
Quote from: Satoryu on February 07, 2009, 05:40:59 AM
to play devil's advocate, they could just be hating on Sonic cause it's what everyone's used to doing.
I don't know... the same people were against the media flow in their review of Sonic Unleashed Wii.
And on the other hand they were the ones to review the superior 360 version of Unleashed worse than Sonic the Hedgehog. One just can't know what IGN's thinking.
Then there's also the fact that IGN Nintendo (mainly Matt & Bozon) desperately want Sonic to return to glory, but are also two of the biggest persecutors of bad design choices in the Sonic games as of late.
then there's the fact that all game mag reviews suck and should not be trusted, and most certainly not be used as the determining factor if you buy a game or not.
Quote from: Satoryu on February 07, 2009, 05:50:54 AM
then there's the fact that all game mag reviews suck and should not be trusted, and most certainly not be used as the determining factor if you buy a game or not.
Oh, of course. I was just tacking on an extra bit for thought digestion.
Quote from: Satoryu on February 07, 2009, 05:50:54 AM
then there's the fact that all game mag reviews suck and should not be trusted, and most certainly not be used as the determining factor if you buy a game or not.
I thought that went without saying.
Quote from: Jericho on February 07, 2009, 05:51:58 AM
Oh, of course.
Quote from: Taiyo on February 07, 2009, 05:52:30 AM
I thought that went without saying.
it's obvious to us. but in the greater gaming population, i believe we're the minority.
Eh. Game might rock, it might not.
Still don't know why Sonic would ever need a sword. Or WHY they haven't made a game modeled after the comics yet. Bean, Bark, and the Destructix need an appearance. >>
Captain's Log - Supplemental.
I...wasabletoplay Sonic AND THE Black Knight ay the Comic Con forrrrrrrr...a little bit. SO FAR, my impressions of the game are...
LoL, I don't feel like typing Shatner-ish for the rest of this!
Anyway, I did have a chance to play this and I gotta say, my impressions of the game are mixed. I think the game has potential, but the demo is very lackluster. However, the issue at hand is that the Demo is just the practice level it seems like, and if Secret Rings is any judge, the practice level makes for a lackluster demo. But, like Secret Rings, you can update the sword and such, so I'm assuming the same power ups are in the game, so feasibly he can get more moves, greater speed, and all that jazz. Sadly, due to the loudness of other games, I couldn't hear the music for the level. The controls seemed fine to me and the sword didn't bother me at all. However, I also keep in mind that this is a demo, and some demos just plain suck or aren't calibrated very well.
As of now, I'll probably do what I did with Sonic Unleashed and have the Ninja of Lou rent it so I can try it out before I decide whether or not to purchase it. I'm still looking forward to the game, but also, I'm [tornado fang]ing poor! 8D
Quote from: Legendary on February 07, 2009, 06:14:26 AM
Eh. Game might rock, it might not.
Still don't know why Sonic would ever need a sword. Or WHY they haven't made a game modeled after the comics yet. Bean, Bark, and the Destructix need an appearance. >>
There's been a large motion from the dumber part of the fanbase to do the recent Scourge storyline in the comics into a game.
Hmm, yeah, I can agree with you there on the demo part, Blues.
Which reminds me, did you get your chance to meet Herr Frederick Von Twirlenkiller in a match to the death? And by that I'm asking if you got to play Madworld.
Quote from: Taiyo on February 07, 2009, 06:21:56 AM
Hmm, yeah, I can agree with you there on the demo part, Blues.
Which reminds me, did you get your chance to meet Herr Frederick Von Twirlenkiller in a match to the death? And by that I'm asking if you got to play Madworld.
Oh, I'll be posting about Madworld in a second... 8D
http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14268379/sonic-the-black-knight-/videos/sonicblkknght_020609_nycc2.html
Added videos of gameplay at the Con. This one is Vs. Arthur. Good to see the shaking is still as unresponsive as ever.
Where is my dual wielding Knux?!
Quote from: STM on February 07, 2009, 05:42:48 AM
I don't know... the same people were against the media flow in their review of Sonic Unleashed Wii.
Matt Cassamasina is also the same guy who claimed Heroes was an improvement over the Adventures, and a frequent basher of their soundtrack style. I NEVER trust IGN when it comes to Sonic, least of all Matt. He usually writes well but his Sonic reviews are highly opinionated.
We've also had some feedback coming in from some of our drones in the Sonic Scene who noted people who played the game looked really bored and unimpressed, including those that were eager to give it a go. Largely, the response has been, "lackluster", "meh", "nothing special"... citing the game felt dull and controlled poorly. PB might be able to shed some light more on this since today's the last day for the convention, I believe, so long as he isn't glued to that lovely little title called Madworld... I wouldn't blame him if he was.
Pretty much, I'm seeing this title setting up to be a failure. However, since the Wii is lacking anything resembling a game (discounting the buckets and buckets of licensed tripe shovelware) with the last "good" title being Sonic Unleashed, this one will still sell.
From what I've heard I believe Deadly Creatures would be a better place to look if you're searching for relief from the Wii drought.
That being said......hey, it's Sonic, and it has a good theme song. I KNOW I'll buy it, it's just a matter of whether or not I'll be patient enough to wait for the price drop. Which at this rate I probably will.
Quote from: STM on February 08, 2009, 08:05:19 PM
Pretty much, I'm seeing this title setting up to be a failure. However, since the Wii is lacking anything resembling a game (discounting the buckets and buckets of licensed tripe shovelware) with the last "good" title being Sonic Unleashed, this one will still sell.
That can only be said for NA to be honest.
Quote from: Taiyo on February 08, 2009, 08:17:11 PM
That can only be said for NA to be honest.
Very much so... and possibly Europe. Japan's a whole different beast.
Quote from: STM on February 08, 2009, 08:05:19 PM
Pretty much, I'm seeing this title setting up to be a failure. However, since the Wii is lacking anything resembling a game (discounting the buckets and buckets of licensed tripe shovelware) with the last "good" title being Sonic Unleashed, this one will still sell.
Depending on your definition of "good," I would presume.
Good is subjective, of course. But in this case, it seem a few people seem to regard the Wii version of Unleashed as pretty good.
Near every Sonic game gets a luke-warm reception at release. Some avid opposition and some supporters. If even Heroes had its supporters, then "a few people regard it as pretty good" doesn't say anything. Personally, I'm a huge skeptic of the were-hog and I found the main theme song of the game to be positively ear-splitting, so I'm not all that anxious to buy it right away, especially for what is effectively half a good game. I already did that for NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams and regretted it. Maybe when it's cheap I'll back-track.
Quote from: STM on February 08, 2009, 08:31:22 PM
Japan's a whole different beast.
Pretty much. Ideally, the last half of the year is going to be so jam-packed with goodness, there will be no doubt that the Wii will deliver in Japan. And I'm sure TGS '09 will keep the ball rolling well into 2010.
It's the US that needs more though. Hopefully E3 will stand to deliver on what the West can stand to get too.
Quote from: STM on February 09, 2009, 03:13:14 AM
Good is subjective, of course. But in this case, it seem a few people seem to regard the Wii version of Unleashed as pretty good.
well, its good for what it is. as a "game" its alright. the motion controls are a nice touch. as Sonic Unleashed however, it fails miserably.
same for the PS2 version.
New Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvmj0wJNjiA&fmt=18)
I don't remember seeing any pictures of Blaze anywhere. So, here (http://i43.tinypic.com/2yl8ak2.png).
Posted on: February 11, 2009, 12:31:41 AM
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Yay, dual wielding Knux! 8)
Also, It's been confirmed that Lee Brotherton/Bentley Jones is doing a song(?) for Sonic and the Black Knight. Yay?
Quote from: Bentley Jones"Remember that new track I mentioned? Well, tomorrow and this week I’ll be finishing a little something for Sonic and the Black Knight.
It seems I just can’t escape the little blue guy… (^___-)"
Okay, the name Deathcalibur just got me really wanting this game again! 8)
W-W-What!? Silver's in too!?
Quote from: VirusChris on February 11, 2009, 01:07:30 PM
W-W-What!? Silver's in too!?
what he said. I mean, seriously.
though i guess it cant be helped...
You guys honestly didn't see Silver coming? He got a bit of a following from Sonic Next and has gained a few more from, of all places, the Archie comic in the current storyline.
Also, Bentley Jones, the guy who did Dreams of an Absolution in Sonic Next, confirmed he did a song for Sonic and the Black Night (likely a remix for Silver's theme), and will apparently be releasing it on his myspace sometime today or this week. Just a little tidbit for the music lovers out there.
Quote from: VirusChris on February 11, 2009, 01:07:30 PM
W-W-What!? Silver's in too!?
Seeing how he has no profile, I'm gonna say that he's multiplayer only.
Quote from: Taiyo on February 11, 2009, 04:30:27 PM
Seeing how he has no profile, I'm gonna say that he's multiplayer only.
So? Amy doesn't have a profile and she's in the game.
You've got a point there, however, there's always the chance that he's multiplayer only like in Secret Rings.
I have a feeling he'll be in as a boss character. Silver has enough of a popularity (more than Tails... shocking, I know) that I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the story. At the same time, though, how Sonic will recognize him outside of making Rivals "continuity" (like the Mario series, Sonic's is very loosely defined to almost non-existent) remains to be seen.
New Screenshots (http://www.gamekyo.com/newsen30202_sonic-and-the-black-knight-in-a-lot-of-pictures.html)
I'm calling it now:
Evil Arthur will become a normal guy again and then look like Sonic.
Quote from: STM on February 11, 2009, 07:44:17 PM
I have a feeling he'll be in as a boss character. Silver has enough of a popularity (more than Tails... shocking, I know) that I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the story. At the same time, though, how Sonic will recognize him outside of making Rivals "continuity" (like the Mario series, Sonic's is very loosely defined to almost non-existent) remains to be seen.
well, Ive never quite seen the Secret rings storybook Sonic "series" as cannon... dunno, but it just seems like a little side story till they come up with something in the main storyline. besides, if they could make a game where the story involves them going back in time and basically making the events of the game NEVER have happened, then anythings ossible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm8aXeDm2oM
If that remix is in the game, it's a day one purchase for me even if my Wii hasn't arrived by then.
I was wondering when this would get posted. Also, that remix is incredibly awesome.
Awesome video and awesome game! I'm so getting it! 8)
i'm kinda meh with the song. but maybe that's because of the footage shown with it. the game looks worse and worse the more i see.
Oh, I get the joy of shooting down everyone again... at least as far as the song is concerned.
(loads shotgun)
The song is a remix by DrakeSword and SixtoSounds called Metamorphic Rock (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01712/). All this "trailer" uses are various in-game clips from a German TV show.
Ergo, it's not in-game at all. However, you're more than welcome to download it and blast it over speakers if you wish.
Quote from: STM on February 14, 2009, 09:14:00 AM
The song is a remix by DrakeSword and SixtoSounds called Metamorphic Rock (http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01712/).
Kinda figured. As for the footage used, I already saw the original German video before. >>
Yeah, saw the Video on GameONE (Which is a german TV Show about Games on MTV) too and they said that this Game was nothing special and ''meh''. They critized the Story and some of the Gameplay, which consists of nothing more than swinging your Remote around, especially the Bossfights. But they also said that the Game does have some great Moments, but these seem to be very rare.
Whatever, I'll probably still get it, especially after this Remix of Green Hill Zone :D
Quote from: Luke on February 14, 2009, 11:25:18 AM
Whatever, I'll probably still get it, especially after this Remix of Green Hill Zone :D
It's not just Green Hill Zone used in the remix. >_>
I know, but since I heard the Green Hill Zone Theme the most out of this Remix, I just called it like that, sorry ;)
...You did?
I heard Marble Zone the most in that one.
...Eh, I might get this. I wonder if this game's gonna get another ridiculous Super-form stand-in.
There was a small Green Hill Zone line toward the beginning. The majority of the song was Marble Zone, though.
Quote from: Legendary on February 14, 2009, 08:47:52 PM
...Eh, I might get this. I wonder if this game's gonna get another ridiculous Super-form stand-in.
Read back a few pages - Super Sonic gets armor.
Quote from: Nexus on February 14, 2009, 10:55:41 PM
Read back a few pages - Super Sonic gets armor.
Doesn't
Sonic get gold armor? |:
Quote from: Harruhy on February 14, 2009, 10:56:50 PM
Doesn't Sonic get gold armor? |:
Alright, looked back, and yes - Sonic gets golden armor. That's worse, IMO. :(
I thouth it was obvious it wouldent be in the game? I mean, this is sega. they cant be assed to make a remix of a classic sonic tune for a "new next gen" game. heck, they didnt for Sega superstars tenniss, in fact that game is full of rehashes, but thats another story.
Oh lawl.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa215/I_am_X2007/24938742109fdc7_flip.png)
He's reached Gaia. his "avatar" looks surprisingly good.
Percival Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1bdVv2cAU8)
why does it amuse, and at the same time, not surprise me, that Blaze is in the lava area?
^Because Sega made it? -_-
No, because shes from an apocalyptic future filled with scenery like that.. Sonic 06, remember?
Quote from: Flame on February 18, 2009, 10:34:59 PM
why does it amuse, and at the same time, not surprise me, that Blaze is in the lava area?
Because she's Blaze, come on, just look at her name, it has nothing to do with the future in Sonic 06.
I lol'd when Sonic hit the ground (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h49pByz9hcY) >>;
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on February 20, 2009, 01:47:31 AM
I lol'd when Sonic hit the ground (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h49pByz9hcY) >>;
this. 8D
old. I recall them having shown that clip of him hitting the ground before.
Quote from: Flame on February 18, 2009, 05:58:42 AM
Oh lawl.
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He's reached Gaia. his "avatar" looks surprisingly good.
The item you get from him is silly though.
it could have been better. i was expecting either a sonic that replaces your avatar, or a decent sized Sonic companion.
It was a companion. And they made him the size of a real hedgehog.
which made me lol.
... I... have Sonic in my Gaia avatar now. >w<
lol.
Gawain Trailer (http://wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14268379/sonic-the-black-knight-/videos/sbk_gawaintrailer_022409.html)
Alright, dual wielding Knux! owo
New Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHVvCb6wjVo) (with [parasitic bomb] we've pretty much seen before >>)
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Two soundtracks being released on April 8th, 2009 in Japan.
Just HOW long are they going to keep updating the trailer again? It's pretty much a merge from all the trailers out there. >>
they spell "Tracks" with an X. Sonic Team just hit an all time low.
Quote from: Satoryu on February 25, 2009, 09:49:38 PM
they spell "Tracks" with an X. Sonic Team just hit an all time low.
It's been that way since Sonic Heroes.
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on February 25, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
It's been that way since Sonic Heroes.
Or probably either trying to sport attitude or be Gangsta, either way, they fail at it. >>
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on February 25, 2009, 09:57:53 PM
It's been that way since Sonic Heroes.
that's when the 3D Sonics started going downhill.
coincidence? i think not.
Quote from: Gaia on February 25, 2009, 10:16:44 PM
Or probably either trying to sport attitude or be Gangsta, either way, they fail at it. >>
I just don't see Sonic even attempting Gangsta rap but I do note the sports though.
Quote from: GAP on February 26, 2009, 08:26:37 PM
I just don't see Sonic even attempting Gangsta rap but I do note the sports though.
Gangsta Rap = Knuckles' Sonic Adventure theme.
"Unlike Sonic, I don't chuckle" (Unknown from M. E.). I honestly think they could've hired a proffesional DJ for that, but meh. Most Sonic games always varied in the theme of the song..
it's rap, but is it really gangsta? it's pretty clean compared to what i think is gangsta. there isn't a song i know of that uses a lyric along the lines of "bust a cap in yo ass."
Quote from: Satoryu on February 26, 2009, 11:34:28 PM
it's rap, but is it really gangsta? it's pretty clean compared to what i think is gangsta. there isn't a song i know of that uses a lyric along the lines of "bust a cap in yo ass."
While I agree with the notion that Knux's lil mixes in the games are FAR from being anything close to gangsta rap, the latter part of your statement leaves a bit more to be desired...
....But that just means you may need to listen to more of a variety of rap, dear Sato. The "studio gangstas" are HARDLY up to the caliber that the best of the underground and the OGs themselves (like Tupac, B.I.G.) had to offer. [eyebrow]
Yea, but then there's so much rap it's hard to tell which from what.. >> (Yes, I've had listened to gangsta rap, but never compared it to sweetooth rap.. >>)
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on February 27, 2009, 12:08:49 AM
While I agree with the notion that Knux's lil mixes in the games are FAR from being anything close to gangsta rap, the latter part of your statement leaves a bit more to be desired...
....But that just means you may need to listen to more of a variety of rap, dear Sato. The "studio gangstas" are HARDLY up to the caliber that the best of the underground and the OGs themselves (like Tupac, B.I.G.) had to offer. [eyebrow]
have you seen the color of my skin?
i don't listen to much of any rap. willingly, anyway. all i have to go on is snippets of songs that are being offered on commercials as ringtones, and whatever my sister may be listening to.
and i don't NEED to listen to any rap. totally not my preferred genre.
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on February 27, 2009, 12:08:49 AM
The "studio gangstas" are HARDLY up to the caliber that the best of the underground and the OGs themselves (like Tupac, B.I.G.) had to offer. [eyebrow]
You forgot Vanilla Ice, Ben! 8D
Quote from: Satoryu on February 27, 2009, 12:52:43 AM
have you seen the color of my skin?
No, I haven't, actually...lemme guess...you're a nice shade of fuchsia, aren't you, Sato? 8D
But seriously, what does color have to do with it? I know plenty of people across the "spectrum", who at least remotely like rap, if not outright love to some times scary levels. 8D
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and i don't NEED to listen to any rap. totally not my preferred genre.
Granted. If you were just going to be of that opinion, then so be it. That would be more in the realm of "to each his own".
But, my point is, if you're going to try and say something about an entire genre of music, it doesn't behoove you to use blanket terms, or anything along those lines. It just does more to broadcast what you may not know about it.
Quote from: Protoman Blues on February 27, 2009, 02:12:48 AM
You forgot Vanilla Ice, Ben! 8D
NO, BLUES. VOOT announcement last night has just done more to fry your brain, even more than usual! 8D
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on February 27, 2009, 03:44:12 AM
NO, BLUES. VOOT announcement last night has just done more to fry your brain, even more than usual! 8D
Word to my mother! 8)
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on February 27, 2009, 04:11:33 AM
See, you ain't right. Not at all. -u-'
Oh, I know. I know! XD (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=1143.0)
I could've mentioned MC Hammer!
At least Hammer had the pants! :V
I wish I could do the lyrics to that one butt song.
Quote from: Protoman Blues on February 27, 2009, 04:00:32 AM
Word to my mother! 8)
LOL!
Quote from: Protoman Blues on February 27, 2009, 04:21:46 AM
Oh, I know. I know! XD (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=1143.0)
I could've mentioned MC Hammer!
What about Ice T or Ice Cube?
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on February 27, 2009, 04:56:12 AM
At least Hammer had the pants! :V
And the dance. Word has it, he was too legit to quit! 8D
Quote from: GAP on February 27, 2009, 05:01:03 AM
I wish I could do the lyrics to that one butt song.
What about Ice T or Ice Cube?
Baby Got Back? I can recite that song with NO problem! 8)
And I was mentioning sub-par rappers!
http://kotaku.com/5163225/you-havent-seen-the-last-of-sonic-the-werehog
As long they provide more Day Stages, I won't complain at all 8D
Quote from: Cosake Solrac on March 03, 2009, 08:29:01 AM
http://kotaku.com/5163225/you-havent-seen-the-last-of-sonic-the-werehog
As long they provide more Day Stages, I won't complain at all 8D
Shouldn't that be in this (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=55.0) thread?
Posted on: March 03, 2009, 14:16:50
New Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgRgUpYE9nY)
Now the question is, will playing as everyone else be optional or a necessity like pretty much every 3-D Sonic besides Unleashed/Secret Rings?
Anyways, yay for the return of Shadow's Chaos Control from Shadow the Hedgehog.
Quote from: Taiyo on March 03, 2009, 08:54:43 PM
Now the question is, will playing as everyone else be optional or a necessity like pretty much every 3-D Sonic besides Unleashed/Secret Rings?
Anyways, yay for the return of Shadow's Chaos Control from Shadow the Hedgehog.
They've been swearing up and down, since that first appearance of the game in last year's Nintendo Power, that playing as the extra characters is COMPLETELY optional.
Now, how much that will hold up (in the matter of you could actually 100% the game, without touching the other chars?), we'll have to wait and see.
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 03, 2009, 08:28:22 PM
Shouldn't that be in this (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=55.0) thread?[/url]
Whoops XD
Quote from: IGN"This is a Sonic game that craps all over everything that has ever made the series interesting and then adds pointless waggle."
Oh, IGN. 8D
This from Matt Cassamasina, the same guy who claims that Sonic Heroes is the best of the last-gen efforts.
Cass is nice for information, but I wouldn't trust his opinion on a Sonic game if I was paid to.
Quote from: Hypershell on March 04, 2009, 03:17:18 AM
This from Matt Cassamasina, the same guy who claims that Sonic Heroes is the best of the last-gen
The only good things about Sonic Heroes was that it had the original voice actors from the Adventure series, and the epic final boss theme... And Team Rose's theme "Follow Me". >.>;
Quote from: Hypershell on March 04, 2009, 03:17:18 AM
This from Matt Cassamasina, the same guy who claims that Sonic Heroes is the best of the last-gen efforts.
Cass is nice for information, but I wouldn't trust his opinion on a Sonic game if I was paid to.
I discovered a quite of couple of glitches while playing Sonic Heroes, especially the infamous wall death. I'm pretty sure Matt playes like a monkey who can't tell right from wrong.
To be fair though...he DID list everything he disliked about the game. So, it's not like he just said "LOL! GAME SUX! 3.9!!"
Eh. I've been losing interest ever since ComiCon, when people just saying more that they're outright bored by the game, than anything else.
MadWorld is the only game I need from Sega in March. This may be lucky enough to get a rental, at best.
Yeah, I'll probably just rent it too. I mean, the thought and name of Deathcalibur is pretty cheesily AWESOME, but still, ComicCon didn't impress me with it that much.
I still hope it has a good soundtrack!
Quote from: Protoman Blues on March 04, 2009, 03:34:39 AM
I still hope it has a good soundtrack!
Always remember PB, the shittier the Sonic game, the better the music. :P
The soundtrack of Superman 664 ain't the real deal.
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 04, 2009, 03:25:09 AM
The only good things about Sonic Heroes was that it had the original voice actors from the Adventure series, and the highly enjoyable final boss theme... And Team Rose's theme "Follow Me". >.>;
Rare is the Sonic game that
doesn't at least have some good music (why in blazes Brawl refused to use What I'm Made Of is beyond me).
It's not that I can't see some good things in Heroes. Amy's voice is among the better, Knuckles had a nice presentation, Rail Canyon is cool, and......well, that's about it.
Quote from: Acid on March 04, 2009, 03:39:34 AM
The soundtrack of Superman 664 ain't the real deal.
That game has a soundtrack?
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 04, 2009, 03:38:10 AM
Always remember PB, the shittier the Sonic game, the better the music. :P
(http://www.grandmemories.com/smilies/lex-luthor-wrong.jpg)
>BD
The 16-bit era games still contain what probably is the best music to grace the series. After that, even Jun Senoue himself started to lose it, they just try to cover it up with butt-rock from Crush 40 and etc. 8D
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on March 04, 2009, 03:42:39 AM
The 16-bit era games still contain what probably is the best music to grace the series.
I'm talking about after the Adventure games. >_>
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on March 04, 2009, 03:42:39 AM
The 16-bit era games still contain what probably is the best music to grace the series. After that, even Jun Senoue himself started to lose it, they just try to cover it up with butt-rock from Crush 40 and etc. 8D
Soon, Justin Timberlake will be singing the opening song to the next Sonic game, Sonic and the Space Pirates!
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 04, 2009, 03:49:29 AM
I'm talking about after the Adventure games. >_>
Ah.
Still, I'd contest that. The GBA/DS games may have been all over the place in quality, but music-wise, they pretty good (with Rush probably having the best OST of the lot, in my ways).
Quote from: Protoman Blues on March 04, 2009, 03:50:01 AM
Soon, Justin Timberlake will be singing the opening song to the next Sonic game, Sonic and the Space Pirates!
Timberlake is still doing pretty well for himself, I don't see him "reducing" himself to such a thing. 8D
Now, Chris Brown? That [Oil Man] may NEED the work, after the kind of career suicide he's committed!
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on March 04, 2009, 03:54:45 AM
Ah.
Still, I'd contest that. The GBA/DS games may have been all over the place in quality, but music-wise, they pretty good (with Rush probably having the best OST of the lot, in my ways).
Timberlake is still doing pretty well for himself, I don't see him "reducing" himself to such a thing. 8D
Now, Chris Brown? That [Oil Man] may NEED the work, after the kind of career suicide he's committed!
True, I'll give you that.
Also, lulz at Chris Brown. 8D
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on March 04, 2009, 03:54:45 AM
Timberlake is still doing pretty well for himself, I don't see him "reducing" himself to such a thing. 8D
Now, Chris Brown? That [Oil Man] may NEED the work, after the kind of career suicide he's committed!
LoL, no crushing my Timberlake-Sonic song dreams! 8D
"That Sonic's just running everywhere!"
He's got no time to simply stop and stare!
He's Way Past Cool, and I swear.
He's fast and he knows. I think that he knows!"
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on March 04, 2009, 03:42:39 AM
The 16-bit era games still contain what probably is the best music to grace the series. After that, even Jun Senoue himself started to lose it, they just try to cover it up with butt-rock from Crush 40 and etc. 8D
You do know that Jun Senoue is Crush 40's guitarist, right?
Not that I'll EVER argue against the likes of Sky Sanctuary, STH3 final boss, or S&K mid-boss, among others. But don't go dissing my Crush 40! Live And Learn = best Sonic theme, EVER.
(reuse in Brawl trailer was such a fanboyish dream come true...)
Quote from: Hypershell on March 04, 2009, 05:10:43 AM
You do know that Jun Senoue is Crush 40's guitarist, right?
Yep. And I still stand by what I say. He was absolute gold back for Sonic 3 & K's OST.
But after that, he was never quite the same. He's alright, but I started to go "meh" after Sonic Heroes. Probably the absolute best thing he's done in recent years, imo, was the remix of Angel Island Act 1 and 2 for Brawl.
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Not that I'll EVER argue against the likes of Sky Sanctuary, STH3 final boss, or S&K mid-boss, among others. But don't go dissing my Crush 40! Live And Learn = best Sonic theme, EVER.
(reuse in Brawl trailer was such a fanboyish dream come true...)
Eh, if it came down to it, "What I'm Made Of" was probably the better composition, in my ears.
Still, as I've said before, there's a great part of me that wishes that he would just do more to focus on compositions, and less on allowing for lyrics. He could right up there with Daisuke Ishiwatari (Guilty Gear fame) if he did that.
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In the words of a certain Psycho Powered general:
QuoteThis is DELICIOUS!
The game is pretty much being tanked left and right (even by Famitsu: 26/40. By comparison, Secret Rings did a 32/40 and Sonic Next did a 29/40) and a small group labeling themselves as the Sonic Defense Force are out trying to get IGN's reviewer Matt Casamassina fired because he used the word, "retarded" in the review to describe the game.
Now, as someone studying to enter the field, ethically you really shouldn't use the word retarded when describing how nonsensical something is. Yes, we know the joke that IGN isn't really professional, but this is still something that can get the site potentially sued and Casamassina potentially fired over. I'd certainly take him to task about his word choice in the future, for the sake of his own career, but the "SDF" aren't doing it because of the use of the word; it's only because he brutally and rightfully bombed the game and they can't take that this game was destined to fail as hard as it did.
Sometimes I want to shoot the fanbase.
Quote from: STM on March 04, 2009, 08:20:03 AM
and a small group labeling themselves as the Sonic Defense Force
....That's just so very sad...
Quote from: STM on March 04, 2009, 08:20:03 AMSonic Defense Force
lol
So, from what I've been reading on other sites.
[spoiler]Merlina is the final boss[/spoiler]
Don't know if it's true or not though.
The twist is stupid enough to sound real.
Also, [spoiler]No trace of Eggman in any form? Really? ...who said this was a good game?[/spoiler]
LoL, Merlina turns out to actually be Morgan Le Fey! XD
Quote from: STM on March 04, 2009, 08:20:03 AM
and a small group labeling themselves as the Sonic Defense Force are out trying to get IGN's reviewer Matt Casamassina fired
Another proof that the vast majority of the Sonic fanbase is made of dumb. Oh well... maybe they're just trolls.
Quote from: Protoman Blues on March 04, 2009, 08:21:50 AM
....That's just so very sad...
Actually, if that's from GAF then that's just a GAF thing, there's a defense force for everything there, it's not just crazy Sonic fans.
I don't think they are.
i don't know who's stupider, the Sonic Defense Force, or Sonic Team for including Jet in the game. [tornado fang] that bird. he's as bad as Silver.
concerning Matt, i don't think people whine too much about use of the word "retarded" that much anymore. they're more concerned with those who use the word "gay" to describe something stupid.
by the way, this game looks very gay.
Gotta say though, the full version of Knight of the Wind is damn good though! 8)
[spoiler]Merlina is the final boss, Black Knight was an illusion, and Sonic is the REAL King Arthur.[/spoiler]
There, now you don't have to play the game to find out anything. 8D
Oh, one last thing:
[spoiler]Gawain trys to kill himself after losing to Sonic[/spoiler]
Why does always try to kill himself? Why not just have the Green Knight do it for him?
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 04, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
[spoiler]Merlina is the final boss, Black Knight was an illusion, and Sonic is the REAL King Arthur.[/spoiler]
hahahahahaha
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 04, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
Oh, one last thing:
[spoiler]Gawain trys to kill himself after losing to Sonic[/spoiler]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 04, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
[spoiler]Merlina is the final boss, Black Knight was an illusion, and Sonic is the REAL King Arthur.[/spoiler]
There, now you don't have to play the game to find out anything. 8D
Oh, one last thing:
[spoiler]Gawain trys to kill himself after losing to Sonic[/spoiler]
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/Satoryu/facepalm.gif)
This makes me disappointed having purple hair...
Quote from: Vixy on March 05, 2009, 12:14:31 AM
This makes me disappointed having purple hair...
Time to dye your hair then. 8D
Still getting this. Don't care about IGN's review, and I hear it's not as good as Secret Rings, but nowhere near as bad as IGN's review says.
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 04, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
[spoiler]Merlina is the final boss, Black Knight was an illusion, and Sonic is the REAL King Arthur.[/spoiler]
After Secret Ring's plot twist I actually expected this.
Anyways, I hear there's a remix of "It doesn't matter" in this game, does anyone know if it can be found online somewhere already?
Also, the complete Excalibur Sonic transformation. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmdLa5coIJo) IMO it looks much, much better than what the trailer let us to believe
Quote from: Taiyo on March 05, 2009, 12:21:36 AM
Anyways, I hear there's a remix of "It doesn't matter" in this game, does anyone know if it can be found online somewhere already?
There are two. SA1 version and SA2 version.
I ripped the SA2 version. I'll PM it to you if you want.
I accept your offer :)
So the games out already or is this the first impression? I don't why but even if I hadn't played the Secret Rings or this game, it just seems almost too predictable. I am going to complain on some Sonic forum because I am definitely going rant about this [tornado fang]ing game.
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 05, 2009, 12:16:17 AM
Time to dye your hair then. 8D
I'd say a shade of indigo or blue. 8D
Quote from: Satoryu on March 04, 2009, 06:12:06 PM
i don't know who's stupider, the Sonic Defense Force, or Sonic Team for including Jet in the game. [tornado fang] that bird. he's as bad as Silver.
At least Jet doesn't have psychic powers like Silver and is more concerned with being in the Sonic Riders spin-off series <.< Personally, I think it's kind of cool to have a spin-off character like Jet appear in nothing but spin-offs. There's something about him that makes the game just a bit more enjoyable, and I think it has to do with being a bad idea. He was such a bad idea that it became rather enjoyable. Plus, regardless of your stance, he still doesn't have [tornado fang]ing PSYCHIC POWERS (restated and emphasized for point).
I don't think ANYTHING they can do at this point would be as bad as Silver. What's worse is he time travels. Who the [tornado fang] came up with that idea? A time traveling hedgehog with psychic powers? I just hope that they put him on the back burner and forget about him except for spin-off cameos like they did with Black Knight (but if he plays an important role, then this game just got docked down to "should I waste my 5-8 bucks to rent this game, and MAY have fun, or burn it and KNOW I have fun).
He's multiplayer-only (I called it btw :P), the non-arthurian versions of the other characters are multiplayer-only too.
Quote from: Taiyo on March 05, 2009, 02:20:22 AM
He's multiplayer-only (I called it btw :P), the non-arthurian versions of the other characters are multiplayer-only too.
Thank you god. I can handle extra characters having minor roles, but that's about it.
Forgot to mention...
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 05, 2009, 12:23:08 AM
I ripped the SA2 version. I'll PM it to you if you want.
Thanks a lot, I can't stop listening to it :)
I love it~ especially the violin. ^.^
So, is there a music rip out yet? In MP3 format?
I don't think so, it takes about a week or two for MP3s to actually pop up. I still can't find the MP3 for SF4's theme, I'm stuck with downloading videos from YouTube of it.
It depends on what the game system is and what tools you have available. The moment a DS game comes out, you would usually see a music rip on day 1 (See 7th Dragon). Other systems takes a little longer because they would either have to scan the disc, scan the encrypted files inside them and hope to get some results or they have to unlock a Sound Test mode. ^^;
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on March 04, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
[spoiler]Merlina is the final boss, Black Knight was an illusion, and Sonic is the REAL King Arthur.[/spoiler]
There, now you don't have to play the game to find out anything. 8D
Oh, one last thing:
[spoiler]Gawain trys to kill himself after losing to Sonic[/spoiler]
...Welp! Thanks a bunch! 8D
Now I can go and just wait for MadWorld next week in peace!
In case no ones hear the Final Boss theme of the game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUyYMLmk7yI
It's called "With Me". Are there any other Sonic games that DOESN'T use the opening for the Final Boss theme? This is a first for me.
And I bought the game, and I'm LOVING it! 8)
Really enjoyable but tiresome on the arms.
I like what i'm hearing, especially how it starts w/ a nice, short but sweet solo~
Quote from: VirusChris on March 06, 2009, 01:17:55 AM
It's called "With Me". Are there any other Sonic games that DOESN'T use the opening for the Final Boss theme?
besides every 2D game? probably not. i don't know about Chronicles, though.
Before Shelly probably gets here and smacks you with the fish. Heroes with "What I'm Made of"
Ha! I remember now! Thanks for refreshing my memory.
Anyway what are your thoughts on the song?
Golden Knight Sonic Transformation (Spoilers):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmdLa5coIJo
SatBK Final Boss Battle (Spoilers):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LFn9eaOOFU
Quote from: Taiyo on March 06, 2009, 03:53:11 AM
Before Shelly probably gets here and smacks you with the fish. Heroes with "What I'm Made of"
like i give a [parasitic bomb] about Heroes.
All I can ask is, the game fun overall?
Yep.
unbiased opinion requested. cause the game sure doesn't look fun to me.
The Ninja signed it out for me. I'll play it this weekend and let you know.
Quote from: Satoryu on March 06, 2009, 07:43:45 PM
unbiased opinion requested. cause the game sure doesn't look fun to me.
How about this one? If you liked Secret Rings you may like, otherwise stay away.
What doesn't look fun btw? The idea of the sword or what (just asking)?
Secret Rings is different from this one too. The sword doesn't have the same snap to it as the homing attack when taking out enemies. And from the videos I've watched, I hate how much you have to slow down to even attack the enemies. The whole game just reeks of cheap. Even the low-def Unleashed looks better.
QuoteAnd from the videos I've watched, I hate how much you have to slow down to even attack the enemies.
From what I've heard, level up and that problem is nonexistant. Also, changing your style to speed would work wonders I guess.
Quote from: STM on March 06, 2009, 09:49:07 PM
Secret Rings is different from this one too. The sword doesn't have the same snap to it as the homing attack when taking out enemies. And from the videos I've watched, I hate how much you have to slow down to even attack the enemies. The whole game just reeks of cheap. Even the low-def Unleashed looks better.
I think this is the one Sonic game that truly deserved its panning for a lot of these reasons stated above. I played it and was kinda saddened by a lot of things. For example, while full control over Sonic & no constant moving forward could have been a full plus, the jittery analog movement proved that tilt controls are really an underestimated gem of an idea when it comes to controlling 3D Sonic. Why they didn't allow for nunchuk tilt to allow for slight lean a la Secret Rings is beyond me, but I digress.
The sword. It was a terrible idea from the get-go, but hey, we've all seen bad ideas before in the recent games. The thing that killed it for me personally was the slowdown and response time between the attacks & the wagglan. It just reeked of unpolished.
Then there's bits of the game's presentation. No shuttle loops, Eggman, or visible rings?
Someone's got some 'splanin' to doooo~!I liked the Secret Rings direction and thought that it was really one massive step forward in the 3D Sonic game realm, moreso than even Unleashed (and I love me some Day Stages in Unleashed!) but this game really detached itself too far from what made Secret Rings (and Sonic in general) great and tacked on waaaaay too much bad in the process. So much so that now, I'm fully of the belief that the only ones who have even an inkling of a good/decent Sonic vision are Dimps and the ones responsible for the Day Stages (particularly Rooftop Run) in Sonic Unleashed.
TL;DR: Matt was on fire in that review, I agree completely after playing the game.
Quote from: Taiyo on March 06, 2009, 10:18:40 PM
From what I've heard, level up and that problem is nonexistant. Also, changing your style to speed would work wonders I guess.
Precisely what sickens me about DMC.
I don't want to change my freakin' style, I don't NEED to change my style! It's not like I magically forget how to Air Hike just to remember, OH YEAH, I CAN CHARGE MY GUN DURRRRRRRR
Somebody let me smack somebody on the forehead for these design decisions!
OFFICIAL FACE TO FAITH CD TRACKLIST (from CDJapan):
1. KNIGHT OF THE WIND
2. FIGHT THE KNIGHT
3. THROUGH THE FIRE
4. WITH ME
5. LIVE LIFE
6. SEVEN RINGS IN HAND (Bentley Jones Version)
7. WITH ME (Crush 40 Version)
8. KNIGHT OF THE WIND (Instrumental)
9. WITH ME (Instrumental)
10. LIVE LIFE (Instrumental)
OST Tracklist:
1. [Disc 1] KNIGHT OF THE WIND - Title ver. -
2. [Disc 1] BLACK SWORD IN THE SKY
3. [Disc 1] INTO THE STORY OF THE KING ARTHUR
4. [Disc 1] MISTY LAKE
5. [Disc 1] INTRODUCTION - MERLINA'S REQUEST
6. [Disc 1] THE ISLAND OF THE SACRED SWORD
7. [Disc 1] THE SACRED SWORD CALIBURN... MEET THE KING ARTHUR
8. [Disc 1] FIGHT THE KNIGHT - Strings Mix -
9. [Disc 1] A FOOL OF A KNIGHT
10. [Disc 1] KNAVE THE HEDGEHOG AND OVERSIZED LETTER OPENER
11. [Disc 1] TO THE BLACKSMITH
12. [Disc 1] THEME OF MERLINA
13. [Disc 1] WORLD MAP - THE LAND RULED BY KING ARTHUR
14. [Disc 1] CAMELOT CASTLE
15. [Disc 1] TREASURY AND EMBLEM - THE JOURNEY OF CHIVALRY
16. [Disc 1] I'M THE BLACKSMITH
17. [Disc 1] DEEP WOODS
18. [Disc 1] SIR LANCELOT APPEARS
19. [Disc 1] CALM AFTER THE BATTLE... ARONDIGHT
20. [Disc 1] NIMUE... LADY OF THE LAKE
21. [Disc 1] THREE DAYS AFTER... ALMOST MAKE IT TO MEET THE DEADLINE
22. [Disc 1] TO THE RESCUE... A KNIGHT'S LAW
23. [Disc 1] TITANIC PLAIN
24. [Disc 1] SIR GAWAIN APPEARS
25. [Disc 1] MORE TO BE A KNIGHT THAN TO SERVE YOUR KING
26. [Disc 1] CRYSTAL CAVE
27. [Disc 1] KNIGHT'S LESSON... A TRUE KNIGHT
28. [Disc 1] MOLTEN MINE
29. [Disc 1] SIR PERCIVAL... THE KNIGHT OF THE GRAIL
30. [Disc 1] SIR SONIC... KNIGHT OF THE WIND
31. [Disc 1] HEAD TO AVALON
32. [Disc 1] SHOWDOWN WITH KING ARTHUR / KNIGHT OF THE WIND - Instrumental Mix -
33. [Disc 1] GLORY OF VICTORY
34. [Disc 1] KNIGHT OF THE WIND - Original ver. -
35. [Disc 2] KNIGHT OF THE WIND - TGS 2008 Trailer ver. -
36. [Disc 2] ORDERS FROM THE ILLUSION
37. [Disc 2] MERLINA - HER WICKED SMILE
38. [Disc 2] THE END OF THE WORLD
39. [Disc 2] ESCAPE FROM THE DESTRUCTION
40. [Disc 2] KNIGHTS PASSAGE
41. [Disc 2] FOR THE KINGDOM AND ITS PEOPLE
42. [Disc 2] SHROUDED FOREST
43. [Disc 2] GREAT MEGALITH
44. [Disc 2] THE CAULDRON
45. [Disc 2] THE BARRIER
46. [Disc 2] DRAGON'S LAIR
47. [Disc 2] DRAGON SLAYER
48. [Disc 2] INTO THE DARK HOLLOW
49. [Disc 2] MERLINA - THE QUEEN OF THE UNDERWORLD
50. [Disc 2] IT DOESN'T MATTER
51. [Disc 2] TRANSFORM INTO EXCALIBUR SONIC
52. [Disc 2] LIVE LIFE - MERLINA & SONIC
53. [Disc 2] DENOUEMENT... TRUE KING ARTHUR
54. [Disc 2] THE KING'S PERIL
55. [Disc 2] BLACKSMITH
56. [Disc 2] BATTLE MENU
57. [Disc 2] FARAWAY AVALON
58. [Disc 2] STAGE CLEAR
59. [Disc 2] RESULT No.1 - FIVE STARS, AWESOME!
60. [Disc 2] RESULT No.2 - SO, SO... OKAY!
61. [Disc 2] RESULT No.3 - ONE STAR, TRY NEXT TIME
62. [Disc 2] THE ASH GROVE - MAIN MENU
63. [Disc 2] SYSTEM SCREEN - OPTION
64. [Disc 2] SYSTEM SCREEN - RANKING
65. [Disc 2] SYSTEM SCREEN - NAME ENTRY
66. [Disc 2] SYSTEM SCREEN - GALLERY
67. [Disc 2] FAN ART - IT DOESN'T MATTER
68. [Disc 2] KNIGHT OF THE WIND - Acoustic ver. -
And according to Crush 40, the soundtrack will be coming to the US/EU market in the future.
Quote from: Crush 40"We will let you know the details of the soundtrack CD of SBK soon. It will be out for US / EU market in the near future."
Quote from: Aldo on March 07, 2009, 02:54:24 AM
Precisely what sickens me about DMC.
I don't want to change my freakin' style, I don't NEED to change my style! It's not like I magically forget how to Air Hike just to remember, OH YEAH, I CAN CHARGE MY GUN DURRRRRRRR
Somebody let me smack somebody on the forehead for these design decisions!
Devil May Cry 4 fixed this by letting you switch on the fly. In three, it was done to offer the player different styles of playing instead of jumbling it all into one gigantic confusing muddle. Now you only had to worry about 6 different muddles.
Quote from: Taiyo on March 06, 2009, 03:53:11 AM
Before Shelly probably gets here and smacks you with the fish. Heroes with "What I'm Made of"
DAMN! Late again! >_<
The difference is, Heroes' title theme blew. Why Knight of the Wind couldn't be used as a final boss theme is beyond me.
I guess i'm one of the few people that actually like the game.
Ok some areas were quite frustrating until i figured out what to do.
and the second Arthur fight was one of them.
I like it because your not bound to to 1243523 Missions till the story advances you get extra stages you can do or not do.
and one of the plus points for this game is the story and the way its told.
I love this game too! And another cool feature about this game is the "Legacy" stages! 8)
Sonic and the Black Knight: Legacy Stage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8VThRY8NgA
Yet they still kept the sword, which is kinda funny.
Wa...WAS THAT "What I'm Made of"?!!!! O_O
Quote from: Taiyo on March 09, 2009, 02:07:38 AM
Wa...WAS THAT "What I'm Made of"?!!!! O_O
It's in the music rip. Along with other themes and stages from previous games.
Boy, they're really beating the fanservice horse on this one just to hide how weak the overall presentation is.
Shame the legacy stages seem to only use those hover bots and... nothing more. Also the homing attack looks slow and clumsy.
Well thanks to my good Ninja buddy, I got a chance to play this game today. Honestly...I liked it. It was a lot of fun. Short, since I don't have the chance to do everything due to having to give it back to him by tomorrow, but fun nonetheless.
#1. Gameplay. I was right. Some demos just aren't calibrated well, or properly handled well, or something, because the controls were definitely much smoother and not as frustrating as they were when I played it at the Comic Con. If anything, it's making me contemplate trying the Sonic 06 game, as the demo turned me off from that game as well, due to its annoying & frustrating controls. LoL, yeah the Sword is gimmicky, but it talked with a snooty attitude, much like KITT from Knight Rider. Shadow, Knuckles, and Blaze all handled pretty decently too, after a bit of Trial & Error! Ironically enough, I actually preferred the Secret Rings controls.
#2. Enjoyment. I'll admit, I probably didn't enjoy this game as much as Sonic & the Secret Rings, or even Sonic Unleashed. Keeping with the Storybook aspect was fine, and I really had no issues control or story wise. The problem was in the lack of customization, like Secret Rings had. Granted, they keep some of the same abilities that Secret Rings had, but they're separated by Styles, being Knight, Paladin, and Cavalier. I prefer being able to choose each individual Power Up, rather than have it separated this way.
#3. Soundtrack. I'll admit, I do so love the Knight of the Wind song by Crush 40. It might even be my favorite song of theirs up to this point. However, the soundtrack in Secret Rings is much better. I'm not saying that I didn't like this soundtrack, but I still think the other was better and had more creative songs.
So, overall, I had fun playing it. I thought Excalibur Sonic looked bad-ass, I thought the boss fights were fun, and overall I'd probably like to own it eventually, when I have mon-ay. Not my favorite of 3D Sonic games, but in no means would I spit on it and toss it in the sewer. I'm still a fan of the Sonic Storybook Series, the Triple S or S Cubed if you will. If they made another SSS game, I'd probably enjoy it too.
So, in the spirit of confusing reviewing, I give it 3 Shades and 2 Glasses of Mango Lemonade! 8D
Hey, confusing reviewing or not, you gave it Mango Lemonade, so that must mean it's something good XD
What's funny is that I confused my own rating system! It was suppose to be 2 Shades and 3 Glasses of Mango Lemonade. Shades represent how good I think the game actually is, and Mango Lemonade represents my actual enjoyment of the game, whether good or bad. So, it should be:
2 out of 4 Shades & 3 out of 4 Glasses of Mango Lemonade! 8D
lol XD
My point stands anyways =P
Quote from: VirusChris on March 09, 2009, 12:48:47 AM
I love this game too! And another cool feature about this game is the "Legacy" stages! 8)
Sonic and the Black Knight: Legacy Stage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8VThRY8NgA
Yet they still kept the sword, which is kinda funny.
Well, there go my last doubts about buying it, because NO WAY IN HELL am I passing up the chance to play an action stage with What I'm Made Of.
The only question now is when I have the money/whether I'm patient enough to wait for the inevitable price drop.
I jus played this too... it was all right I guess, nothing fantastic but not really bad either nya ^^
at least I finally have my knight of the wind full version mp3 >w<
As do I.
I gotta say, PB isn't kidding. The full version ROCKS ALL FREAKING SOCKS. All the more reason why the absence of it in the game's final battle is utterly blasphemous.
Go nuts. (http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_and_the_Black_Knight_Vocal_Trax_"Face_to_Faith") There's only five up, but I assume they'll add the rest and update the tracks when the album comes out next month.
Finally got my hands on the game. I'm actually enjoying it more than Sonic Unleashed so far...
So it's actually a good game? That's surprising. Who'd have thought they could go two in a row.
I guess I'll have to get this.
I wish Sonicteam would put all that effort from their storybook series into the mainstream games.
Quote from: Flame on March 23, 2009, 04:20:07 AM
I wish Sonicteam would put all that effort from their storybook series into the mainstream games.
...Lets...not go crazy now. Mind you, I'm a fan of the Storybook series, but still, they need to go back to the Sonic CD philosophy ([tornado fang] yeah, I rhymed)! :D
I'm more of a "S3&K philosophy" man myself, but yeah.
Oh yes. I want Sonic games to go back to the good old days of 5% story and 95% awesome 2D gameplay.
Unfortunately, the best we're going to get in that regard are constant "classic game" collections or the games being in various SEGA game collections, and the lesser-liked newer series that take their place like Rivals or Rush. :(
This makes me realize - the first Sonic Advance was pretty damn awesome.
Well, to be honest I didn't the Genesis games even had a story but it was nevertheless present.
Quote from: Nexus on March 27, 2009, 12:39:08 PM
This makes me realize - the first Sonic Advance was pretty damn awesome.
Assuming I actually wish to play as Sonic, I vastly prefer Rush/Rush Adventure. The problem is I am a gi-hugic Tails fan.
Damn you, Dimps! >_<
Quote from: Nexus on March 27, 2009, 12:39:08 PM
This makes me realize - the first Sonic Advance was pretty damn awesome.
This is true. While not "perfect", the first Advance game was basically a good continuation of where Dimps started with "Sonic Pocket Adventure" (Neo Geo Pocket Color). As far as "modern Sonic" offerings go, Advance was probably the closest we'll ever get to anything approaching the 16-bit era's goodness.
...Too bad it, too, wouldn't last. ;O;
To this day, I'm convinced that, if Dimps had been allowed/encouraged to continue more in the vein of Advance the first, they probably would have crafted a CD/3&K-quality Sonic game by now. But nooooo...some where along the line, they (or, rather, probably some one at Sega/Sonic Team themselves) got the "bright idea" that all we cared about was speed in Sonic games. That's why we got Advance 2 being the way it was, which has now only being continued through the Rush games.
They had a decent going with the first game, and it was squandered...just another example of the injustice that has been dealt this series...right up there with the notion that we never got a sequel to Sonic Championship/Fighters from AM2... ;O;
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on March 28, 2009, 12:46:37 AM
they probably would have crafted a CD/3&K-quality Sonic game by now
Impossible. You cannot craft an S3&K quality game without Super Sonic in stage replays. And for some reason Sega considers that a forbidden practice now.
Quote from: Hypershell on March 28, 2009, 02:16:36 AM
Impossible. You cannot craft an S3&K quality game without Super Sonic in stage replays. And for some reason Sega considers that a forbidden practice now.
Of course, that is why the games suck now! :o The lack of replayable Super Sonic, it so obvious!
Really? I thought it had more to do with Shad-err...the great "WHO I AM", as well as the attempts to keep shoving more and more people in every game. And generally having these people being somewhat unlikable. I mean, I'm just now warming up to Silver of all people. It's been, what, 2 and a half years?
I guess replayable Super Sonic would help...I actually think Unleashed got it right. You know, daylight-wise.
Oddly enough I actually have a decent respect for Shadow The Hedgehog. I mean, be honest, it is the *ONE* game where any ridiculous gimmick thrown in didn't put the usual gameplay on a screeching halt (therefore nicely contradicting developer interviews that a back-to-basics 3D Sonic is too resource-heavy to develop). The shooting, if it MUST be present, was treated as it should be: a tacked on extra. The game was still at its core a platformer with simplistic controls and cool bosses, and that's what a hedgehog game should be.
The problem is they botched the mission setup. Several enemy-hunts are overly strict and just plain not fun, and that last boss fork, resulting in ten endings, is utterly inexcusable. Unfortunately, that means you'll be damn sick of the game by the time you unlock the Last Story (which is a shame, because the final stage is awesome, Chaos Controlling through otherwise impossible areas).
Yeah, I played STH so much that by the time i'd unlocked Last Story, I was pretty burned out. The Sonic X voicecast didn't make things much better. I still found the game to be decent, but some missions were an absolute terror to play through - which makes getting to the Last Story that much more difficult when you need to go along a certain alignment path to reach a specific ending.
I still think the True Hero final boss fight leads into Last Story the best, though.
Shadow as a character was decent way back in SA2, back where he had some actual character development (which was later tossed away). Shadow the Hedgehog as a game... well... it wasn't too bad the first time through. I had enough of the game far before the Last Story, though. I put the game down and never touched it since, considering the ridiculousness of what was asked.
Also, Knight of the Wind is pretty kickass.
Quote from: Fxeni on March 29, 2009, 12:35:40 AM
Shadow as a character was decent way back in SA2, back where he had some actual character development (which was later tossed away).
I don't know about that one. Like Zero in X5, Shadow in SA2 dies an utterly pointless and nonsensical death. He's INVULNERABLE, can fly, and can teleport at will, yet he "dies" by falling into the atmosphere? Weak.
If any character development was screwed, it was Gerald's. He's presented as a mad scientist issuing a death sentence to the entire planet first, THEN two other games are spent going over all his good intentions before he went nuts. Both disorienting and pointless.
Gerald's twist worked for me. His granddaughter got shot and he snapped. Makes perfect sense as something to make him spiral into madness.
As for Shadow's death? Never mind the two are each at half power super forms, that Chaos Control had to really drain Shadow. Sonic's pretty much used to being Super in space. Shadow however isn't. Remember, he's the ULTIMATE life form, not the PERFECT one. He still has flaws.
Quote from: STM on March 29, 2009, 05:44:57 AM
Gerald's twist worked for me. His granddaughter got shot and he snapped. Makes perfect sense as something to make him spiral into madness.
See, but that's SA2, and therein lies the problem with later titles. It's not the story itself, it's the fact that it's told out of chronology. SA2 covers his ultimate fate, so who really give's a rat's ass about him when his good-natured self is revisited in later games?
Y'know, I always took the SA2 ending as Sonic&Co thinking that he died, but he hadn't really. I mean, honestly, it didn't even look like he died, and I never understood how people got that he did. Maybe I'm just seeing something that others don't, or something.
You want weak? Making him lose his memory again. Now THAT's weak.
Quote from: Hypershell on March 29, 2009, 05:28:57 AM
I don't know about that one. Like Zero in X5, Shadow in SA2 dies an utterly pointless and nonsensical death. He's INVULNERABLE, can fly, and can teleport at will, yet he "dies" by falling into the atmosphere? Weak.
I always thought that after the final battle, Shadow had fulfilled Maria's last wished and decided to join her, so he chose to not save himself.
Quote from: Hypershell on March 29, 2009, 06:03:48 AM
See, but that's SA2, and therein lies the problem with later titles. It's not the story itself, it's the fact that it's told out of chronology. SA2 covers his ultimate fate, so who really give's a rat's ass about him when his good-natured self is revisited in later games?
Well, if he didn't die in SA2 then it is not his ultimate fate >.>
Quote from: Fxeni on March 29, 2009, 06:05:17 AM
Y'know, I always took the SA2 ending as Sonic&Co thinking that he died, but he hadn't really.
Back then, that's what I wanted to believe >.>
Quote from: Fxeni on March 29, 2009, 06:05:17 AMI mean, honestly, it didn't even look like he died, and I never understood how people got that he did.
He fell,
from space. If for god know what reason you don't turn to ashes by the time you re-enter the planet, then the fall would [tornado fang]ing kill you.
Quote from: Fxeni on March 29, 2009, 06:05:17 AM
You want weak? Making him lose his memory again. Now THAT's weak.
Completely agreed.
Quote from: Taiyo on March 29, 2009, 06:12:40 AM
He fell, from space. If for god know what reason you don't turn to ashes by the time you re-enter the planet, then the fall would [tornado fang]ing kill you.
Except for the fact that, y'know, he was in his super form. Also, the light as he approached the planet sure as hell made me think of a Chaos Control.
I know, that's why I was hoping he was still alive. However, how do we know he didn't run out of rings while falling? Stupid but entirely possible and logical.
Heroes had a boneheaded explaination for how he survived, but i haven't played the game or cared about it since it came out. his death was lame, but his revival was lamer.
Quote from: Hypershell on March 29, 2009, 06:03:48 AM
See, but that's SA2, and therein lies the problem with later titles. It's not the story itself, it's the fact that it's told out of chronology. SA2 covers his ultimate fate, so who really give's a rat's ass about him when his good-natured self is revisited in later games?
It was supposed to, y'know, make him a bit more sympathetic a character, however contrived the actual telling of those events ended up being.
Quote from: Fxeni on March 29, 2009, 06:15:25 AM
Except for the fact that, y'know, he was in his super form. Also, the light as he approached the planet sure as hell made me think of a Chaos Control.
It was supposed to be "open-ended". If Shadow was meant to stay dead, he could have died in that fashion. Or, as history would tell it, it left them enough so that they could bring him back.
I was really hoping that they would have let stay dead. His story was self-contained in SA2, open and shut. I thought that was good enough...
Quote from: Taiyo on March 29, 2009, 06:22:09 AM
I know, that's why I was hoping he was still alive. However, how do we know he didn't run out of rings while falling? Stupid but entirely possible and logical.
Silly Taiyo...game mechanics/logic != how things work in CG/FMVs! 8D
No, silly me for trying to look for a logical explanation 8D
Well, change rings to power or something then XD
Quote from: Satoryu on March 29, 2009, 06:28:24 AM
Heroes had a boneheaded explaination for how he survived, but i haven't played the game or cared about it since it came out. his death was lame, but his revival was lamer.
It turned out he was an Android that was created by Dr. Robotnik/Eggman and that Eggman had an army of Shadow robot clones.
Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on March 29, 2009, 06:30:08 AM
It was supposed to, y'know, make him a bit more sympathetic a character, however contrived the actual telling of those events ended up being.
It was supposed to be "open-ended". If Shadow was meant to stay dead, he could have died in that fashion. Or, as history would tell it, it left them enough so that they could bring him back.
Why doesn't Shadow just stay dead then? It would have been a lot more fantastic if he did instead of being revived every game.
Quote from: Hypershell on March 29, 2009, 05:28:57 AM
I don't know about that one. Like Zero in X5, Shadow in SA2 dies an utterly pointless and nonsensical death. He's INVULNERABLE, can fly, and can teleport at will, yet he "dies" by falling into the atmosphere? Weak.
If any character development was screwed, it was Gerald's. He's presented as a mad scientist issuing a death sentence to the entire planet first, THEN two other games are spent going over all his good intentions before he went nuts. Both disorienting and pointless.
Zero should have stayed dead back in X1 or at X5/X6 like he was supposed to but he revived yet again and he he even had his own series.
Quote from: GAP on March 29, 2009, 07:06:54 AM
Why doesn't Shadow just stay dead then? It would have been a lot more fantastic if he did instead of being revived every game.
Easy reason? Because Sega saw the fanboy-appealing potential that Shadow had, and wanted to utilize him some more.
Never mind the fact that friggin METAL SONIC was an already established character, who not only served Shadow's basic purpose years before hand, and could have easily been written to do more in that vein.
To me, Shadow was a fairly redundant character from the outset. Even the whole "Ultimate Lifeform" angle was something that Metal Sonic was already doing years before hand.
QuoteZero should have stayed dead back in X1 or at X5/X6 like he was supposed to but he revived yet again and he he even had his own series.
Zero is different, in the notion that, by all sake and reason, he was closer to the "original concept" that Inafune wanted for a "Rockman X". But Capcom wasn't going to play ball by his rules. So, as a consolation prize, he shoe-horned Zero in there any way, and was willing to just play the waiting game.
Metal Sonic would have been an awesome cameo in Sonic & The Black Knight. Hell, they could've made him Deathcalibur Metal to counter Excalibur Sonic. I definitely would've had the will to Fight the Knight. The Will To Fight the Knight. THE WILL TO FIGHT! THE! KNIGHT! 8)
Quote from: Taiyo on March 29, 2009, 06:12:40 AM
Well, if he didn't die in SA2 then it is not his ultimate fate >.>
I was talking about Gerald, not Shadow.
Quote from: GAP on March 29, 2009, 07:06:54 AM
Zero should have stayed dead back in X1 or at X5/X6 like he was supposed to but he revived yet again and he he even had his own series.
Zero was a generic NPC in X1, the only reason anybody cared whether he lived or died was because he had a kickass theme music and caused collateral damage. Both of these returned in X2, so there's nothing wrong there.
In X5 Zero "died" for a completely nonsensical reason. A boss explosion, of which he has survived dozens, regardless of how his proximity compares to X's. Furthermore, X was every bit as "dead" at the end of X5 as Zero was, Light merely took advantage of Zero Space to fix him up. If he did that, then by what possible stretch of logic WOULDN'T "Zero's father" do the same? X5, as it is, would have been the worst possible way to end the series. Fans were just happy to see X and Zero duke it out, and the foreboding of Wily's possible involvement. But the reality is that X5's story was told incredibly badly.
the only thing its ending would have going for it, was an explanation for X having the Z saber. but in fact, Zero's condition in X5 completely contradicts his state in Z1. artistic difference aside. the later games give his Z1 evival much more sense, and there are MANY times he has given X his saber. every time he loses and cant go on, as a matter of fact.
Well, that's actually twice.
Nevertheless, good points. And the contradictory body conditions are something I've been over so many times that I just don't bother anymore, but they're still just as true.
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