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Jericho · **Reply #2825 on:** August 06, 2009, 06:40:55 AM

Quote from: Wanderer on August 04, 2009, 05:41:29 AM

See? There ya go.....I guess. What I meant is the timing of moves. Ike is pretty much all about timing and lag actually helps me get most of it right and actually trains me for much faster matches. By moving slower but thinking faster really you can really train any character for major battles.

This right here is kinda true, I'd add that in my case, it puts extra pressure on ya to think 10 steps ahead and predict things quicker. My Marth, Mario, & Lucas all benefit from it.

In other news, JESUS [tornado fang], WHY HAVE I NEVER TRIED TO ACTUALLY USE SNAKE BETTER? HE'S MINDGAMES ON STEROIDS!

11 KOs in one normal 3 minute match. [tornado fang]ing glorious.

Posted on: August 04, 2009, 01:45:09 AM

It's Brawl time now.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #2826 on:** August 06, 2009, 06:47:30 AM

Sorry Jelly. It's JEEP ACTION night!

Jericho · **Reply #2827 on:** August 06, 2009, 06:30:22 PM

Ah okay then.

Posted on: August 06, 2009, 06:50:11

Link

On the surface, it actually stated looking good and not like the community rebelling against Brawl yet again, but then you get a fair bit in and things start to get "lolwat" worthy. Case in point:

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6. Ike
GAME CHANGER: Quick Draw no longer causes helpless fall state

That's right... Ike can now Quick Draw then Aether to recover... or he can Quick Draw then Quick Draw again to juke an opponent out as he falls back to the stage... or he can Quick Draw off the stage to edgeguard more aggressively... or he can Quick Draw out from the ledge and double jump and Aether back... you get the idea. Ike is perhaps the only characters where we agreed to address his weaknesses rather than his already super-focused strengths. Trust me, this agile Ike is REALLY fun to play as and against! It's also a little bit safer to hit with on the stage. (Ike needs no other changes.)

REALLY NOW.

Video here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj_1z8bXc6c&NR=1[/youtube]

This is just one of the numerous examples of things changed that made me really question how "balanced" this new code string for the game really is. Discuss.

Wanda Bear · **Reply #2828 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:05:45 PM

This is more rich than Bill Gates.

I find it very one-sided.....for me, that is. lmao At least with Ike.

Jericho · **Reply #2829 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:06:53 PM

Ike jumps to high tier easily with those additions.

Also related, balanced Mario is very sexy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luV6mxo-IUs&feature=related[/youtube]

Protoman Blues · **Reply #2830 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:14:10 PM

For a sec, I though this was Smash Smash Bros. Brawl Plus.

Fxeni · **Reply #2831 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:14:35 PM

Hah... that's rich. Sounds like the programmers changed things in their own favour, which is a common... amateur... mistake. Ike had that "weakness" for a reason.

Jericho · **Reply #2832 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:17:55 PM

I can't wait to see what people will be doing to Smash 4 ten years down the line. Everyone has their own ideas on how the characters should play and yet no one wants to learn them as they are and kick ass with them.

Satoryu · **Reply #2833 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:22:49 PM

there were some ideas in there that i liked, like removing random tripping, nerfing Mach Tornado and non-helpless-enducing Vine Whip, but overall the changes are broken. especially the other ones that modify recovery moves. and Ganondorf is too powerful with their changes.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #2834 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:31:33 PM

The only thing I'd really want done with Brawl is to remove Random Slipping, and bring back the power of Jigglypuff's Rest. Other than that, I'm good!

Wanda Bear · **Reply #2835 on:** August 06, 2009, 07:36:14 PM

Quote from: Sato on August 06, 2009, 07:22:49 PM

Ganondorf is too powerful with their changes.

Ganondood was already powerful, he doesnt need anymore "tricks". If one thing, the shouldve spead up Ike's nuetral air A. Doing that while falling off the edge kills me the most not is Quick Draw stopping in mid-air. That list of "improvements" is pretty, ya know, broken to me. Although I would LOVE to get that "Godly Ike", I'll pass for the sake of fair matches with all of you.

Jericho · **Reply #2836 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:00:24 PM

Ganondorf is easily one of my favorite characters to play as even with his supposedly "unplayable" nature. The problem is no one wants to focus that long to actually play well with him before calling him so. Seriously, the guy tanks a lot of attacks, has surprisingly decent recoveries and aerials, and stomps all over everyone short of Dedede (and that's debatable) in terms of raw power. Need any proof of this? Watch any replay of me landing Warlock Punches and KOing at obscenely low percentages.

As for "Balanced Brawl", the changes they gave him easily put him in my newly patented "pay attention or you will DIEH" tier.

Also, I'm actually looking through some of these change videos now. They frigging uber'd Lucas in my eyes all in the name of getting him a better ground game because apparently "his air game isn't good/as good as Ness'".

PB, Lou. I know you're both chuckling on the inside.

STM · **Reply #2837 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:15:47 PM

Guess who's back.

Back again.

(Dun dun dun-dun-dun, dun Dun DUUN!)

Now in FABULOUS HD.

Bring. It. On.

Solar · **Reply #2838 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:18:30 PM

Give me 10 or 15 minutes and I'll be there.

STM · **Reply #2839 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:30:38 PM

Well, I'm not really open for fighting right now. I'm just saying I can join Brawl's again in an overthetop fashion, as always.

Jericho · **Reply #2840 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:32:29 PM

Yes. More Sonic antics.

*Counters with Weegee*

Protoman Blues · **Reply #2841 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:34:08 PM

Over-the-top Brawling is what Brawl is all about.

Also, I'm up for a couple of matches if anyone wants.

Jericho · **Reply #2842 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:36:49 PM

I'll be a bit late to these matches though. I'm in desperate need of sleep.

Ninja Lou · **Reply #2843 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:46:59 PM

Oh running scared???

Solar · **Reply #2844 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:51:50 PM

Depending on the amount of people Brawling already I'll join. It's just that 4 people matches seem to hate me, specially ones with Lou (weird truth o_O).

STM · **Reply #2845 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:59:13 PM

Eh, work's done a little sooner than expected. Sure why not.

Online, bitches.

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So.Much. Lag. On. Pikmin. Stage.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #2846 on:** August 06, 2009, 09:58:38 PM

LoL, yeah I know. Otherwise, great matches STM. So....many Super Sonic beatings!

Solar · **Reply #2847 on:** August 06, 2009, 10:02:39 PM

Either my connection with STM just plain sucks, or today's not a good day to brawl with me >_>

STM · **Reply #2848 on:** August 06, 2009, 10:04:55 PM

I don't remember if I saved that one on Port Town. That was a painful one for both parties.

Sonic's back, baby.

Jericho · **Reply #2849 on:** August 07, 2009, 04:16:36 AM

It can be Brawl time now?

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