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Reply #750 on: September 19, 2010, 10:13:39 PM
Well, to play devil's advocate, he and his team knew that they were going to have quite the uphill battle to wage. You got the IGA fanboys who are ready to nitpick at any given turn, you got the old-school CV fans like myself, who want to believe, but had to get past the initial and obvious GoW-image and you got the mainstream market, who basically was waiting for a reason for why they should care for this game.

So far, everything is pulling together for THIS game to be the kind of CV game we should have gotten over decade ago, but hell, better late than never. Even Japanese fans who pretty much gave up the series entirely under IGA's "reign of terror" are looking forward to this game, thanks to the serious pedigree behind it via Kojima and a number of favorite voice actors.

And can you believe this game comes out in like, two weeks? October 3-5, depending on where you live in NA/Europe, with Japan a month or so later! I'm ready!  owob
Honestly, they should give the middle finger to the fans and let the game turn out to be the best they can make.

That way, everyone who MATTERS is happy.



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Reply #751 on: September 19, 2010, 11:40:29 PM
...It was confirmed to be in of the  cannon...not a reboot.

Where does it fit in? Before Lament?



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Reply #752 on: September 19, 2010, 11:46:42 PM
...It was confirmed to be in of the  cannon...not a reboot.

No, it is NOT part of the canon. Cox has said that much over and over again.

And that's a good thing, considering IGA's plot line is a CLUSTER-[tornado fang] OF A MESS, and pretty much makes it impossible for any newcomers to join the party without a nonsensical history lesson.



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Reply #753 on: September 20, 2010, 01:05:17 AM
...It was confirmed to be in of the  cannon...not a reboot.
No it wasnt.
It was to be a stand alone title, and I think Kojima himself stated it was quote: "Non Canon"

Otherwise, and think this through- you can rest assured Dracula is in this game. Something which is not possible in a game in the IGA timeline, due to LoI already establishing the birth of Dracula. Not to mention it has  a buttload of other characters from various other CV games that have no reason to exist pre-LoI

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #754 on: September 20, 2010, 01:10:55 AM
All this makes the game sound better.



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Reply #755 on: September 20, 2010, 01:17:27 AM
Also, it IS a reboot. Its constantly advertised as such in some of the trailers. Hell, the latest one by kojima says "revived, rebirth" and a few other R words for the matter.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #756 on: September 20, 2010, 06:47:26 AM
...Why was I then shot down earlier in this thread when I wondered about it being a reboot?


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Reply #757 on: September 20, 2010, 08:06:07 AM
People like to disagree? ^^;



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Reply #758 on: September 20, 2010, 08:13:26 AM
People like to disagree? ^^;

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Reply #759 on: September 20, 2010, 12:29:48 PM
...Why was I then shot down earlier in this thread when I wondered about it being a reboot?
When did this happen..? Im pretty sure it was announced as a reboot since almost the beginning.

No, it is NOT part of the canon. Cox has said that much over and over again.

And that's a good thing, considering IGA's plot line is a CLUSTER-[tornado fang] OF A MESS, and pretty much makes it impossible for any newcomers to join the party without a nonsensical history lesson.
Not to mention how the hell Belmonts suddenly disappeared, but apparently the Morris' were descendants of them.
WHEN SUDDENLY- JULIUS.
Ok, how the hell did that happen? If they were women, then unless they were all single mothers, their name would have changed from Belmont, thus making it impossible for Julius to be "Belmont". Unless there were males that- AUUGH, it hurts my brain.

Same for the Belnades.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #760 on: September 20, 2010, 01:32:41 PM
Same for the Belnades.

I thought Trevor and Sypha are the reason for the Belnades/Belmont offspring tree?



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Reply #761 on: September 20, 2010, 02:18:49 PM
When did this happen..? Im pretty sure it was announced as a reboot since almost the beginning.
Page 12


Anyways, it's clearly said that it was originally going to be a reimagining, right there at the beginning. You know, as in it isn't anymore?

Also, umm... care to provide a source of where it says that it takes place before LoI?

..It was his fault

Also the Belmonts didn't vanish, they went into hiding and prepared for the battle of 1999, but until then none Belmont was supposed to touch the vampire killer so it was passed to the Morris' clan.


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Reply #762 on: September 20, 2010, 03:07:36 PM
WHEN SUDDENLY- JULIUS.
Ok, how the hell did that happen? If they were women, then unless they were all single mothers, their name would have changed from Belmont, thus making it impossible for Julius to be "Belmont". Unless there were males that- AUUGH, it hurts my brain.
Couldn't they just have kept the family name from the mothers side? I'd guess that being a vampire hunter carries clout.



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Reply #763 on: September 20, 2010, 03:30:07 PM
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..It was his fault
Oh my yes, it's my fault for giving a source and asking one from you and getting none :P The video in question wasn't quite clear at the time. In retrospect perhaps his wording was a tad off, as well as my understanding of what he said. Not like I pressed this issue later on whatsoever anyways, nor am I the one to say the game's supposed time frame, you were the one that brought up the year and provided no source at the time. Just saying. Anywho, that's quite a ways back now when information was scarce. Pointing fingers probably isn't the best way to go about things, eh?

But yes, looking back at those pages reminded me of what I said about being glad Iga was not involved. I stand by that still, really. This game is looking rather good, I'll certainly be trying it out at the very least.



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Reply #764 on: September 20, 2010, 08:33:50 PM
Also the Belmonts didn't vanish, they went into hiding and prepared for the battle of 1999, but until then none Belmont was supposed to touch the vampire killer so it was passed to the Morris' clan.

That and Richter nearly [tornado fang]'d everything up by getting possessed.


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Reply #765 on: September 20, 2010, 08:44:29 PM
That and Richter nearly [tornado fang]'d everything up by getting possessed.
Indeed, the entire clan had to recover from him almost becoming the dark lord


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Reply #766 on: September 20, 2010, 09:21:52 PM
He didnt almost become the dark lord, he almost resurrected him.

The Belnades thing is odd too, unless they all pretty much pick and choose which last name to keep. I mean, she married a Belmont. I would guess her name would become Belmont. Unless she had family who remained Belnades,  or they passed on both the Belnades name and Belmont name. :\

I dont [tornado fang]ing know. IGA, your games were cool and all, but Jesus your timeline is a mess. The family trees are even more confusing.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #767 on: September 20, 2010, 10:14:03 PM
There have been name changes in the family. How do you explain the Morris, Baldwins? Also, you possibly answered the Belnandes thing.


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Reply #768 on: September 20, 2010, 11:33:44 PM
You know who id like to know more about?

Joachim. He was cool. For once, a vampire that doesnt shoot fireballs as a magic attack. no, this guy levitates, and has 5 big swords he commands with telekenisis. It says he was made into a vampire by Walter, but imprisoned when he rebelled.  Personally, Id like to know more about that. Were they friends like Mathias and Leon? Was Walter ever human? How did HE become a vampire? How did he gain the Ebony stone? Walter and Joachim were both interesting. (mainly because they werent Dracula or Alucard, and even preceded them, thus having NOTHING to do with the current cast that came after him, with the exception of Leon)

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #769 on: September 20, 2010, 11:54:03 PM
That and Richter nearly [tornado fang]'d everything up by getting possessed.

What I don't get is, how is that any worse than what happened to Soliel/Solieyu, Christopher's son? Kid got possessed by Drac's forces, then fought against and had to be rescued by his Dad. I can only imagine how emasculating THAT could be... 8D

On that note (and relating to Flame's thing above)...Soleil is probably the one Belmont that I wish had gotten his own adventure. Thus far, the only thing that's to his credit is that his seed was directly responsible for giving us Simon. Soleil being in his 20-30s by the 1600s, he could have been the one hunting Elizabeth Bartley (and actually slay her, prior to her later resurrection in Bloodlines). Could have been an interesting side-story that did more with actually established characters, as opposed to introducing MORE unnecessary characters like Hector and Shanoa who don't really do much of anything to contribute to the overarching storyline.



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Reply #770 on: September 21, 2010, 12:11:58 AM
Oh, and did I mention just how fun it is to play as Joachim? You can MOVE while you attack.

The whip is just dandy, but I never got how in character artwork, the likes of Simon and Trevor, have a sword at their side besides the whip- and yet in the games, they NEVER use it. Unless that was the artist misinterpreting the dagger subweapon.

Id like to see em using more than one main weapon. After all, Vampire killer is for- as its name suggests- Killing vampires. Leon did just fine with the Whip of Alchemy until he met Walter and it didnt do squat. Yes yes, Rinaldo says the whip will be more useful than any dead mans discared sword. And yet- we still use sub weapons dont we? Such as Axes and knives? Which we FIND in the castle? Characters like Soma and Alucard dont even use the whip, and they can hold their own just fine against the forces of darkness. (Alucard might not count though, being as he IS a supernatural being himself.) With weapons they FIND in the castle.

Leon was a knight, It would have been cool if in addition to the whip, he did some swordplay. Im not buying that he for some reason, is incredibly apt at using the whip when he JUST gets it. I would actually expect him to, much like his word, pick up some discarded weapon and use it in tandem with the whip.

The level of customization available in games where the whip isnt the ONLY weapon, (normal modes only- special modes usually dont have customization at all, EG Joachim mode and Julius mode) is really fun. you can customize your weapon according to preference.

Why cant we do the same with the Belmonts? Vampire killer as your primary weapon is just fine, but why not give us the ability to use ANOTHER weapon as well? one we can freely change, and buy, and that isnt a special sub weapon that uses hearts? give me a sword with my whip, and im all set.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #771 on: September 21, 2010, 12:37:50 AM
To me, the better answer is to just include more characters, which would mean more play-styles. CV3 and Julius Mode (DoS) did it correctly: Belmont uses the whip, everybody else can feel to roll their own in the way they see fit.

Frankly, with the majority of the IGA games doing more to become fairly mindless hack-n-slash games as they were, I would have been fine with a Dynasty Warriors-style approach where multiple characters, with just as many weapons and play-styles, could have been added to the fray. Such a thing would been preferable to me than having to grind to find the weapons/abilities throughout the games for just one character, where a number of said abilities just being clones of each other.



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Reply #772 on: September 21, 2010, 01:01:55 AM
What I don't get is, how is that any worse than what happened to Soliel/Solieyu, Christopher's son?

I don't believe Soleil had the Vampire Killer at the time. That meant Dracula could still be defeated by Christopher, and if Soleil didn't survive, the Belmont line could still continue. In Richter's case, there was no chance of Dracula being felled by the VK because Richter still had it, and Richter's power "was supreme among vampire hunters." He and mankind were lucky Alucard woke up. Sure Alucard was able to win in 1797, but would he be able to handle an even stronger Dracula 202 years later?

After Belmont's Revenge, the Belmonts were probably saying to themselves "We have to be really careful from now on." Symphony was their second strike, and they couldn't risk striking out before 1999.


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Reply #773 on: September 21, 2010, 01:04:49 AM
They should include a mode where you play as Dracula, and fight the Belmont as the final boss.
Just for shits and giggles.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #774 on: September 21, 2010, 01:10:38 AM
That would be great.


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