You know, X and Zero's action poses?

Ramzal · January 19, 2009, 03:50:26 AM

Yeah, they don't work. I can't think of a worse way to take a stance in a fight. Ever. And when trying to express this to several people, their side on it is "Well, a stance has to be relaxed so you can be ready for anything. A nice, soft and easy stance."

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No. And I'll tell you why not. Both X and Zero's faces and chest are exposed. They can easily be hit there, they foot positions make it easy for them to be swept, and their balance looks terrible, and their backs aren't straight. While it is just a game sprite, it's silly when people think it's effective. And anyone dumb enough to take a stance like that in a fight deserve to get their butts kicked. >_>

Just thought I'd get that out there.

Hypershell · January 19, 2009, 03:56:22 AM

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Do you REALLY need to be putting this much thought into it? Zero's poses include constantly looking over his shoulder in Xtreme2/PS1, and in his own series, feigning a dislocated shoulder.

Ramzal · January 19, 2009, 04:01:02 AM

Quote from: Hypershell on January 19, 2009, 03:56:22 AM
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Do you REALLY need to be putting this much thought into it? Zero's poses include constantly looking over his shoulder in Xtreme2/PS1, and in his own series, feigning a dislocated shoulder.

Oh, it actually takes no thought for me at all. Literally. I can just look at stances and tell if they work or not and see their flaws and strengths in a rather short time, and then correct someone. It's kinda part of what I do for a living. (IRL not sprite wise)

But I just wanted to get it out there due to there actually being people who think these things work. It's flabbergasting.

Align · January 19, 2009, 04:05:42 AM

But where would we be if the main character didn't hold his fist in front of his face, ever ready to shake it at evildoers?

Hypershell · January 19, 2009, 04:06:43 AM

Indeed.

Sprites exist to look cool, not to be practical. If you're stuck arguing against the brain-dead who do not realize this, bequeath them a boot to the head and move on.

Kieran · January 19, 2009, 04:23:34 AM

And thus the "rule of cool" usually prevails.

Tickle Buffalo · January 19, 2009, 04:33:23 AM

THANKS FOR ENLIGHTENING ME MAN!

Ramzal · January 19, 2009, 04:35:51 AM

Thank you for having nothing better to do.

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Tickle Buffalo · January 19, 2009, 04:37:32 AM

Oh, I can always find some time to seek enlightenment. Always.

Protoman Blues · January 19, 2009, 04:40:00 AM

Quote from: Ramzal on January 19, 2009, 03:50:26 AM
Yeah, they don't work. I can't think of a worse way to take a stance in a fight. Ever. And when trying to express this to several people, their side on it is "Well, a stance has to be relaxed so you can be ready for anything. A nice, soft and easy stance."

Technically with their giant ass armor boots, feet...they shouldn't be able to walk either. The opening X3 Anime makes me laugh every time!

Ramzal · January 19, 2009, 04:43:41 AM

At least I know I'm not crazy or the only man alive--being reduced to tears of laughter at that intro.

Protoman Blues · January 19, 2009, 04:48:37 AM

Also, at the sake of expressing my philosophical futuristic nerdvana, did it ever occur to you that perhaps in the future, different fighting techniques and stances may have been developed that today's present fighting experts never thought of or might not be aware of?

Sky Child · January 19, 2009, 04:50:24 AM

Wow, that's really thoughtful and informative! Too bad I don't care.

Flame · January 19, 2009, 04:53:50 AM

who would ever think those poses actually work? Ive once done Zeros X4-5 sprite pose, and it is VERY uncomfortable. but then again, Ive also tried Dashing AND air dashing, so...

Shiki Tohno · January 19, 2009, 12:02:33 PM

Quote from: Ramzal on January 19, 2009, 03:50:26 AM
You know, X and Zero's action poses?
Yeah, they don't work.

Simple answer: Rule Of Cool.

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Zan · January 19, 2009, 05:14:50 PM

QuoteBoth X and Zero's faces and chest are exposed. They can easily be hit there, they foot positions make it easy for them to be swep

Who the [tornado fang] cares when you're dealing with COLLISION DAMAGE?!

Robert Oakes · January 19, 2009, 05:21:48 PM

Logical or not, X's stance in X4-6 actually looks pretty pathetic.

Flame · January 19, 2009, 05:46:31 PM

Because he IS kinda pathetic

Hypershell · January 19, 2009, 05:56:37 PM

He'd be fine if his breathing movements didn't look like his legs fell asleep.

Quote from: Zan on January 19, 2009, 05:14:50 PM
Who the [tornado fang] cares when you're dealing with COLLISION DAMAGE?!

I award Zan the internet (and at no extra charge, a magic fish for his own use).

VERY old, but relevant

Ramzal · January 19, 2009, 08:52:09 PM

Quote from: Protoman Blues on January 19, 2009, 04:48:37 AM
Also, at the sake of expressing my philosophical futuristic nerdvana, did it ever occur to you that perhaps in the future, different fighting techniques and stances may have been developed that today's present fighting experts never thought of or might not be aware of?

If it is, than god help the future my friend.

The main problem is their leg positions. Say that Zero is facing you with his left leg forward. He's easy to trip due to only to press your left palm on his left forearm and having to take your right foot in a hook, slide it behind his ankle area, and slide your foot towards yourself. Using little to no power while doing this would cause his legs to split and him to fall forward. Also when a new fighting style is made, it is a creation of a previously existing one. Taekwondo is an example of this due to it being a mixture of kicks derived from Kung-Fu. MMA is another example. Even break dancing is something made from movements in Kung-Fu. When that is done, that art itself gets progressively weaker. If they did make a new style of fighting, and those would be the stances, the style would be relatively weak.

Protoman Blues · January 19, 2009, 08:55:42 PM

Quote from: Ramzal on January 19, 2009, 08:52:09 PM
If they did make a new style of fighting, and those would be the stances, the style would be relatively weak.

Haha, you're missing the point. My point is that, for all you know these stances that they use have unexpected futuristic fighting styles that have been programmed/developed over time, and that they could indeed be different or superior to present day fighting styles.

Align · January 19, 2009, 08:59:00 PM

I don't think normal martial arts rules apply to people who can lift several tons and have a rather different body configuration(HUEG FEET), as well as the ability to zip over the ground at speeds rivalling that of modern vehicles, though.

Ramzal · January 19, 2009, 09:10:36 PM

Quote from: Protoman Blues on January 19, 2009, 08:55:42 PM
Haha, you're missing the point. My point is that, for all you know these stances that they use have unexpected futuristic fighting styles that have been programmed/developed over time, and that they could indeed be different or superior to present day fighting styles.

Mmm. You know, come to think of it, that's doubtful due to the Sigma vs Zero fight.

Which that fighting style was uncontrolled punches and kicks.

But should it have been the case, the stances speak for the fighting style itself. Everything is read from the stance. And in that aspect, no good. And then there are Zero's slashes which are pretty unbalanced too and leave many open spots. Although, who am I to say? I'm not a ropbot that can jump thirty feet up.

QuoteI don't think normal martial arts rules apply to people who can lift several tons and have a rather different body configuration(HUEG FEET), as well as the ability to zip over the ground at speeds rivalling that of modern vehicles, though.

I speak from the martial arts and the fighting aspect perspective. But if anything, yeah, those big feet would worsen their fighting ability if anything. And it can apply due to there being Reploids who are very much near the normal build of humans. Marino for one example. Her stance would be an excellent one if she wasn't balancing herself on the ball of her toe and had her entire foot on the ground. It's good though. Just not proper. And while they can lift several tons, that should not be overshadowed by fighting properly. Someone fighting properly and smart against someone who's just insanely strong--the proper one will win. Hank Prym vs Captain America is an example.

And if anyone tells me I'm thinking too much about this, I'd care to point you to those gigantic Megaman timelines that we have.

Hypershell · January 19, 2009, 09:12:31 PM

Quote from: Ramzal on January 19, 2009, 08:52:09 PM
The main problem is their leg positions. Say that Zero is facing you with his left leg forward. He's easy to trip due to only to press your left palm on his left forearm and having to take your right foot in a hook, slide it behind his ankle area, and slide your foot towards yourself. Using little to no power while doing this would cause his legs to split and him to fall forward.

Impossible. Zero would flinch from contact with your palm, and your leg is not equipped to break damage barriers.

That and, barring X5, Zero lacks the sprites necessary to fall.

Ramzal · January 19, 2009, 09:14:23 PM

Quote from: Hypershell on January 19, 2009, 09:12:31 PM
Impossible. Zero would flinch from contact with your palm, and your leg is not equipped to break damage barriers.

That and, barring X5, Zero lacks the sprites necessary to fall.

Somehow, I don't think this will end well.

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You know, X and Zero's action poses?