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Quickman · **Reply #150 on:** April 26, 2014, 07:05:13 AM

In theory, it's easy. In practice, it's a system that will need to be discussed, finalized, confirmed with the Story Group, and implemented in the countless of articles across Wookieepedia, with not just a new icon, a new category, and a new era, but also a segment in the Behind The Scenes section, plus changes made to Appearances lists, deciding which sourcebooks are still canon, and excising non-canon bits in general subject articles to reflect this new change.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #151 on:** April 26, 2014, 08:02:24 AM

Ahhhhh. NOW it sounds like a pain in the ass!

Quickman · **Reply #152 on:** April 26, 2014, 08:06:00 AM

Grand Admiral Jello said it pretty well what we're losing.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #153 on:** April 26, 2014, 08:16:59 AM

Honestly, I think he's exaggerating a bit. I mean, all of those stories are still there. And, while connected, they were never really canon to begin with.

Quickman · **Reply #154 on:** April 26, 2014, 08:27:55 AM

But now they're not even canon with the new canon. So, things could be changed on a whim. We now have two different canons. It's like old EU is Earth Prime and new EU is Earth Lucas, and Infinities is Earth Wat. It's going to be a hellish, confusing mess.

And then there's the possibility that Disney will actually delay establishing a solid canon, with all the old EU up in the air. We also can't be sure how things will be referenced. Mara Jade could be name-dropped, but her actual character left vague. Is she a former Emperor's Hand? Is she a waitress?

What about Kyle Katarn? Most Awesome McBadass Powerfist Jedi ever, or a gas station attendant?

Grand Admiral Thrawn. A Chiss Grand Admiral who is incredibly arrogant and a master tactician? Or some homeless guy with schizophrenia?

Granted, they weren't g-canon, but they were still canon, something that I further confirmed during my visit to Lucasfilm. Internally, the EU was still considered canon, despite the retcons needed from TCW. Leland Chee's entire job was to oversee the entire canon, including the EU. I've seen his Holocron, I've seen the archives, I've seen stuff I've NEVER seen that was still considered to be in canon.

All of that right now is in limbo. All of it.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #155 on:** April 26, 2014, 08:39:44 AM

Which is why there's no need to overreact just yet. For all you know, they are going to bring certain things into the new canon. It might fix some of the more confusing stuff and add to the already established stuff, like Jade or the Solo kids, and so on. Exaggerating achieves nothing and only adds further chaos onto the concerns, which is honestly what I see when I read stuff like that.

I mean, this kind of stuff happens all the time in comic books. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But ultimately you're just gonna have to wait and see.

Quickman · **Reply #156 on:** April 26, 2014, 08:42:17 AM

The real problem is that they made this announcement without any idea of what they're going to do.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #157 on:** April 26, 2014, 08:43:50 AM

They probably did it to gauge the fan reaction.

Quickman · **Reply #158 on:** April 26, 2014, 08:53:07 AM

A quick check on their Facebook page does not show promise.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #159 on:** April 26, 2014, 09:01:29 AM

Probably not. But even so, I think it's best to deal with this rationally and calming, and not just immediately go for the "OMG IS KYLE KATARN GONNA JUST BE A JANITOR" reaction. I mean, do you reaaaaally think Disney is going to troll their most hellishly dedicated fanbase like that?

Quickman · **Reply #160 on:** April 26, 2014, 09:20:38 AM

No, they're going to reboot it like DC.

The problem is not that the EU is gone, it's how they nuked it. The video included with the official post pissed many people off. "These stories were great and classics and fans loved the hell out of them. They're no longer canon. Suck on it."

Granted, for the casual fan, this means nothing. But those casual fans have never read and EU and are least likely to start any time soon, regardless of reboot.

It's the hardcore fanbase, the ones who helped make the Celebrations what they are, the biggest consumers of the EU, for whom the EU was targeted towards, who are rightfully pissed off as what many have literally grown up with is now essentially nuked from orbit by Disney.

Like I said, I've been expecting this ever since the announcement of the sequels. The constant backpedaling on the announcement, and Jennifer Heddle's spiral into "OMG I don't know LOL" is not helping matters. The fact that this announcement was brought out without anything being set in stone is not helping matters. The execution was poor, the backpedaling is confusing, and we're left with EU in limbo and a Schrödinger's Canon.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #161 on:** April 26, 2014, 10:15:15 AM

Well then as someone who has dealt with this from a comic book standpoint, I'll ask the same question that was asked to me when One More Day came out.

How would you have handled the situation & the EU Canon?

Quickman · **Reply #162 on:** April 26, 2014, 11:57:20 PM

There are a number of ways that this could have been handled, and honestly, I'd rather they officially just come out and say that the EU is non-canon as opposed to this weird Schrödinger's Canon. Or, just make the old EU an AU. Nice and neat.

Saying that it's non-canon, but still canon, but non-canon, but still canon until they say it's non-canon is just making the matter confusing. It's essentially in limbo.

What pisses me off, however, is that all my sourcebooks are in limbo. The new RPG is in limbo. The stories are one thing, the sourcebooks are another. I'd just be happy with a note that says "oh, such-and-such species is still canon."

I probably wouldn't be so irritated if I wasn't a Wookieepedian. Though, I will admit to one thing: the family drama that forced a lengthy vacation sure has good timing. The months leading up to September are going to be hell over there, and I'm going to wait for things to cool down before heading back.

The April Fools backfiring didn't help matters.

Protoman Blues · **Reply #163 on:** April 27, 2014, 12:17:14 AM

Sounds about right. Well hopefully they get this [parasitic bomb] straightened out.

Mirby · **Reply #164 on:** April 27, 2014, 12:54:57 AM

Yeah I'd rather they just said it was AU. That's a lot easier to swallow and a lot easier to manage.

Fxeni · **Reply #165 on:** April 27, 2014, 03:38:28 AM

I dunno, I get the impression that's kinda what they were aiming for. I think the whole saying that they can still draw inspiration from the old works is to allow the return of the more popular characters.

I just think that they didn't use the correct wording for it.

Reaperoid · **Reply #166 on:** April 27, 2014, 09:18:38 AM

Hell no.

The new canon should be the alternate universe, like a Cinematic Universe.

Quickman · **Reply #167 on:** April 27, 2014, 10:23:43 AM

But, the films and Rebels and all the new stuff are G-canon!

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From what I gather is that they'll strip-mine the EU for ideas and concepts, thus making it still canon, but the EU itself is no longer in canon with stuff like Rebels, thus non-canon. Even The Old Republic is no longer in canon, while The Clone Wars is in canon.

It's Schrödinger's Canon!

Flame · **Reply #168 on:** April 27, 2014, 10:34:34 AM

I don't recall Star Trek ever having these kinds of issues with it's expanded content. Then again, I don't think they ever considered licensed Novels and such to be canon while Star Wars did right? (I love me Shatner's "The Return" but I wont lose sleep over it not being canon)

All in all, I do not envy your wookiepedia job right now, Quickie!

Quickman · **Reply #169 on:** April 27, 2014, 08:54:29 PM

Star Trek's EU were not in canon with the movies, nor with each other. They were considered AU for the most part. Star Wars occupies a unique position (or at least it did) with its EU having its own internal canon, as well as being in canon with the films, TV series, and even the games.

Reaperoid · **Reply #170 on:** April 28, 2014, 08:14:03 AM

There is just way too much stuff tied into the Imperial Civil War, to just have pickings for the new canon. It really is my favourite period of the EU.

Quickman · **Reply #171 on:** April 28, 2014, 08:19:23 AM

Mine, too. Most of my sourcebooks pertain to the Rise of the Empire/Rebellion eras. It makes me sad to see them go, and knowing that the EU will essentially be strip-mined for ideas means that things could show up changed drastically. Mara Jade could go from Emperor's Hand to cocktail waitress.

If long-standing characters like that are subject to such changes, I'd rather they never be used again.

Mirby · **Reply #172 on:** April 29, 2014, 09:25:56 PM

So in Ep7 news, the cast was announced, though what roles most of them will play is still unknown.

Joining the original cast ( Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, and Kenny Baker) will be newcomers John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, and Max von Sydow.

I only know who Andy Serkis is. No idea who the other newcomers are lol

Quickman · **Reply #173 on:** April 29, 2014, 09:31:55 PM

Aw yeah, Chewie is returning!

The one good thing to come from the death of the EU is that Chewie is alive again.

Mirby · **Reply #174 on:** April 29, 2014, 09:54:14 PM

And then we find out they nuked the entire EU purely to keep Chewie alive lol

ALL THAT FOR OUR FAVORITE WOOKIEE

Anyways I'm more surprised that Carrie Fisher is returning. I thought she swore never to do anything Star Wars again?

News

Disney/Lucasfilm, EpVII coming Dec. 2015, post-RotJ EU non-canon