Topic: Sonic Colors (Wii, DS)

[Bueno Excelente]

With all due respect, what has Sega done, on their part, to warrant any other kind of response from guys like? Their games from the last 15 years' worth of time have ranged from average to mediocre to outright terrible. It's not a problem that's emerged since the DC era of games, it's been one that's been prevalent since the days of Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic Labyrinth. And this modern day era, where they loved to have the tagline of "return to his roots", has done nothing to alleviate a long-standing issue that hasn't been adequately addressed since 1996.

As an old die-hard of Sega and Sonic alike, I WANT them to do well, and I would like to see quality releases. But I can't want any more than what they want for themselves. If Sega's happy with the notion that Sonic's basically a few points shy of being as relevant as the likes of Bubsy the Bobcat and Crash Bandicoot, then fine. I haven't bought a Sonic game since Sonic Rush (which I ended up hating beyond the OST), and that standpoint will not change any time soon, unless this issue is addressed.

HELL NO.

Perhaps you haven't been keeping up with some of my recent movements here, GAF or the like. But don't get it twisted: the basic thing to take away is that it doesn't matter if I had a long-standing love for a certain game series, if an entrant goes forth to not deliver on the promise of its predecessors, then it too, is liable for the same type of treatment from me.

Cases in point:

* DMC4 - Strongly dislike this game, because it does a lot to drop the ball compared to DMC3 and especially DMC1. For the love of all that's good, I hope that Ninja Theory + DMC5 rumor is false, or it will effectively do a lot to make the franchise dead to me for good.

* KOFXII - Dunno what the hell happened here with its busted game mechanics and bare-bones content; thankfully, KOFXIII seems to be more or less what SNK wanted to make in the first place. So, ideally, XIII stands to make up for XII and that HORRID Samurai Shodown Edge of Destiny, if all goes well!  

* Star Fox - This series is tragically teetering on the same edge Sonic was on a few years ago. And like Sonic, a number of the same ills apply: lack of decent games that do not honor what people want most ("moar SF64"). Command's touch screen control scheme was enough to make me pass that game up entirely. Frankly, I'm hoping that Nintendo will have the heart to keep Fox grounded ntil the day they're ready to let him fly again....(ideally, with EAD at the helm)


So no, it's not just Sonic; I've got "grievances" to go for days. And I think that's fair to have, considering that I DO care, and even more so, I have spent money on products that are marketed. If these were just "labors of love" that Sega, Nintendo and the rest of 'em were putting out on the goodness of their hearts, maybe I'd have a different opinion.

Here here.

[Gaia]

Now by Sonic standards, it's GOOD. What the hell happened?

Shadow, Omega, the "Sexy" Rouge outfit, and FIND THE COMPUTER ROOM, F**KER!, etc. 

And Ben, I know that feeling when a franchise is dead to me (hence DASH, most likely due to it's near out-of-bounds purchasing, for the life of me I couldn't find a SINGLE DASH2 copy anywhere), but I don't lash it out with "HULK SMASH!" or something like that. Sure, the
whole "Return to his Roots" thing has been abused, and yes, a bad ZOE game is inevetable, you can't deny it~

[Tickle Buffalo]

And Ben, I know that feeling when a franchise is dead to me (hence DASH, most likely due to it's near out-of-bounds purchasing, for the life of me I couldn't find a SINGLE DASH2 copy anywhere), but I don't lash it out with "HULK SMASH!" or something like that.

Who's been acting anything remotely like that in this thread?

[Rayl]

I remember when Sonic Heroes was considered a BAD game. Now by Sonic standards, it's GOOD. What the hell happened?

Ah yes such memo-HEY WAIT A SECOND. When the hell did people start considering Sonic Heroes to be a good game?!

I mean if they had turned around and said to me that people considered Sonic Unleashed to be a good game then i might have believed them because of the day stages but... Heroes? Really?

Also dibs on Green White FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

[HokutoNoBen]

and yes, a bad ZOE game is inevetable, you can't deny it~

Can a [shadow runner] even get an announcement first?  

The way things are going, Konami is not likely going to allow Kojima to escape from Metal Gear that easily. Not to mention that much alluded "Project S" that supposedly he, Mikami and Suda51 are involved with.

If a new ZOE ever does happen, Kojima will likely just produce it, and one of his underlines will likely take the reigns of actually directing. If it's Shuyo Murata (director of ZOE 2nd Run and the MGS3 mini game "Guy Savage"), it'll probably be fine.

[VirusChris]

I never saw a problem with Heroes or Unleashed, I love both Sonic games and they're awesome in my opinion.

I always considered them both to be excellent (and the reappearance of the Chaotix group, minus Might, from Knuckles Choatix made me super happy as I missed those guys). I guess some of the camera controls and enemy wave boss battle were annoying, but Heroes was a great... can't say much about Tails' voice (why did they have to change it).

I've played the original Sonic games (I still have the original Sega Genesis cartridges of Sonic 1 and 2) and Sonic 3 & Knuckles, nothing tops this at the moment for me.

Though Sonic Colors has made me raise my eyebrows on this one.

[Rayl]

and yes, a bad ZOE game is inevetable, you can't deny it~

Some consider the Fist of Mars on the GBA to be lackluster if that helps 

Not that i would know mind you.

[Protoman Blues]

Sure, the whole "Return to his Roots" thing has been abused, and yes, a bad ZOE game is inevetable, you can't deny it~

What the hell do these two things have to do in common at all?  

Also, this game kinda looks fun actually.  Robuttnik will beware the power of Sonic Lantern's Light.

I really should find that Sonic Lantern oath I wrote before.

[HokutoNoBen]

can't say much about Tails' voice (why did they have to change it).

Puberty.

The original kid? Well, he kinda grew up, and wasn't able to do a believable rendition of an 8 year old fox boy any longer. That's all there was to it. I think even Ryan Drummond went on to confirm that much years ago, if not at some "SAGE" event years prior.

[Flame]

When the hell did people start considering Sonic Heroes to be a good game?!

I loved heroes. I cant figure out why people hated it so much.
It actually was the last game to have that sort of flavor that the adventure titles had, somehow. Well- basically it was the same thing, but instead of different stages for the different team members, it just threw them all with you and you had to switch out with them. Plus no more master emerald hunting, and no more mechs! Tails could FLY again, and knuckles basically sort of glided again. Sort of. The fact that there was no spindash, (replaced by "rocket accell") was a minus... but it didnt impact much. spindash has never boon too useful in 3D sonic unfortunately. It also had Special stages that were VERY reminiscent of Sonic 2.

Now- Colors.

For some reason, I cant help but like the idea. It doersnt take itself seriously, seems to be just for fun... ha nice strange yet nice looking backgrounds...dunno. we'll have to see how this goes.

[Gaia]

Who's been acting anything remotely like that in this thread?

Well, you kinda missed Ben's usual posting style when it comes to Sonic threads.

I always considered them both to be excellent (and the reappearance of the Chaotix group, minus Might, from Knuckles Choatix made me super happy as I missed those guys).

Mighty made his friggin' reappearance in the arcade game, and plays a prominate role in the comics, at least be happy with that.

Some consider the Fist of Mars on the GBA to be lackluster if that helps 

FoM, has PB played that one yet?

What the hell do these two things have to do in common at all? 

Downfalls man, when a good game franchise gets noticably weary and tiresome, it's eventual, and common.

Puberty.

Hmm, I wonder why he hasn't noticed that everyone (except Dr. Eggman, and the girls) is not wearing any pants yet?

[GameSaver]

sonic sucks, sonic team sucks, sega sucks, back to true roots blah blah blah game like (CHOOSE ONE: Sonic 2/Sonic 3&K/Sonic Adventure 1 and/or 2), mess up, lame, mediocre, no more this, too much that, needs more this, can't have that, blah blah blah wank on some other popular franchise I want the next Sonic game to be like

[Protoman Blues]

Downfalls man, when a good game franchise gets noticably weary and tiresome, it's eventual, and common.

Fair enough, but what does that have to do with Zone of the Enders?

[Gaia]

Fair enough, but what does that have to do with Zone of the Enders?

Trick Question: Have you played Fist of Mars? it's in the series, and people say it's mediocre, and Sonic's been about mediocracy.
Because I feel that the next ZOE would be on a handheld for the rest of it's span until it can come back to consoles, much like
Sonic's fate.

[Protoman Blues]

Trick Question: Have you played Fist of Mars? it's in the series, and people say it's mediocre, and Sonic's been about mediocracy.
Because I feel that the next ZOE would be on a handheld for the rest of it's span until it can come back to consoles, much like
Sonic's fate.

I never played Fist of Mars, no.  Even so, that's literally one game, and it's a handheld, and from what I saw it plays nothing like the PS2 games.  To compare ZOE with the Sonic series because of one handheld game is a very long stretch.

[Gaia]

I never played Fist of Mars, no.  Even so, that's literally one game, and it's a handheld, and from what I saw it plays nothing like the PS2 games.  To compare ZOE with the Sonic series because of one handheld game is a very long stretch.

Yes, but eventually like most series (Like Spyro the Dragon for one) will fall into obscurity. And qute frankly, that's where the blue blur is heading. ZOE would also eventually fall into this category along with them because so it seems it's forgotten outside the internet.













(Okay Gaia, stop now before someone gets hurt..)

[Fxeni]

Not much to go off of in the trailer. I'll reserve any judgment until I see some of these abilities in action.

[Protoman Blues]

Yes, but eventually like most series (Like Spyro the Dragon for one) will fall into obscurity. And qute frankly, that's where the blue blur is heading. ZOE would also eventually fall into this category along with them because so it seems it's forgotten outside the internet.

But again, ZOE doesn't even come close to having as many games as the Sonic series.  At all.  In any way whatsoever.  To warrant a comparison with the Sonic series, it would have to have as many games, hell or even half.  Which it doesn't.  It's really hard for a series to fall into mediocrity with just 2-3 games.  However, Virtual ON is proof that it can be done.

[Police Girl]

Hmm....

Orbiting... Amusement Park.... Above Sonic's World? Saving Aliens on a planet?

Ok, the Amusement Park is stolen from Chaotix, and the Orbiting world is Sonic CD. Sega has officially ran out of ideas.

[Rin]

Hmm....

Orbiting... Amusement Park.... Above Sonic's World? Saving Aliens on a planet?

Ok, the Amusement Park is stolen from Chaotix, and the Orbiting world is Sonic CD. Sega has officially ran out of ideas.

Do you REALLY want them to have more NEW, AWESOME AND COOL plot ideas?
lol

[Flame]

Orbiting world is Sonic CD.

Lol, I was thinking the same thing.

[Mirby]

I liked 3D Blast, and most of the latter-day Sonic games too. Rush was good, but I liked Rush Adventure more. Shadow the Hedgehog was fun too, as was Sonic Heroes. Same with Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. I don't see what the hate is about. Admittedly, I may not have played the more craptacular entries (although I did play Labyrinth), but I've seen videos or them in action, so I have seen some of the admitted atrocities. Or rather, the atrocity that was Sonic 06 (although we did get His World out of that one). I didn't see anything wrong with Unleashed aside from the atrocious premise.

I'll be checking this game out myself. Also, Kallen, is it possible they're trying to go the fanservice route by bringing those back? I mean, look at it this way. Nintendo puts Whomp's Fortress into Galaxy 2 and they're praised for it. Sega puts the Amusement Park into Sonic Colors and they're attacked for it? Does that make sense?

[Waifu]

Now for more characters who will appear in the next Sonic advance title.

[Turian]

Why can't they just let Nintendo develop these Wii games? ::Looks at SMG2:: Look at the powerups/Yoshi berries in that game, it could be done...

[Klavier Gavin]