Sonic the Hedgehog 4 (Wii, PS3, 360, iPhone)

[Mirby]

Playing through the old games, I realized how many things in Rush and RA weren't actually new. Gimmicks, for instance. They're in S3&K (Mushroom Hill Zone's shrooms, the see-saw), etc. Actually, that's all I can think of for now. But there are things from the original games that are in Rush and RA that could feasibly be in this.

[Turian]

I stand corrected. Good show.

[VixyNyan]

[Gaia]

It's Sonic Advance 1's final levels all over again. 

[Protoman Blues]

Hopefully we get a demo sometime soon.

[KyoKusanagi]

I think this leak just killed all remaining optimism and anticipation I had for this game.

RIP Sonic 1991-1997

The only thing that Sega can do to save face is cancel the game, or have dedicated fans create the REAL Sonic 4.

But of course, that won't ever happen.

[Mirby]

What a simple boss... I could beat him with my eyes closed.

Also, we already knew this was coming, soo....

[Satoryu]

Not only retreading old stages, but bringing back old boss fights too? Looks like they are hearkening back to old days, playing it safe. This can actually be a good thing. Can't tell from the picture, but if you can get multiple hits on Eggman before touching solid ground, if not all 8 hits, that's another plus. No more boss that take 10 minutes to finish, please.

Actually, perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to think this is the same ol Wrecking Ball. Megamix put a nice spin on it, pun not intended. Maybe they're doing something similar here?

[KyoKusanagi]

Not only retreading old stages, but bringing back old boss fights too? Looks like they are hearkening back to old days, playing it safe. This can actually be a good thing. Can't tell from the picture, but if you can get multiple hits on Eggman before touching solid ground, if not all 8 hits, that's another plus. No more boss that take 10 minutes to finish, please.

The problem is that this is Sonic 4. A sequel implies new content, not rehashing the old. The wrecking ball appearance in S3K was acceptable, seeing how it wound up the Death Egg saga, but this is just unacceptable.

[Mirby]

Haven't you ever heard the saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all?" If not, then follow it. If you don't like this, then don't post here. Other people have expressed their dislike for this, but not to the extent you have.

Anyways, Sato, 10 minute boss fights should only be in RPGs. And only if they're final bosses.

[Satoryu]

Not true, Kyo. Sequels rehash things from their predecessors all the time. Play a Contra to see what I mean. Mega Man, Castlevania, even Mario, they all do it.

[Mirby]

Or Final Fantasy, or Kirby, or Metroid, or etc.

If a sequel truly meant new material, then it wouldn't be a sequel. It would be a new game independent of the old one. Characters and continuity are part of what makes series' good, and having that stuff in a sequel is important. If Sonic 2 had all new material, you wouldn't play as Sonic, you wouldn't be in Zones or Acts, you wouldn't collect rings, you wouldn't gather the Chaos Emeralds, see where I'm going with this?

[Satoryu]

I wouldn't go so far to say Metroid does it. But yeah, Kirby is notorious for this stuff.

[Mirby]

Same weapons, right? Sure, there are some new ones, but others are reused. Same enemies, too. Mother Brain is in both the original and Super Metroid. See? The whole "A sequel implies new content, not rehashing the old" argument is now null and void. Just like the cataclysm theory! A sequel needs old content to create some sort of continuity with previous games in the series. Or to create a sense of nostalgia for long-time fans of the series. Old content is a necessity, so your argument is hereby lost.

[Flame]

Actually, perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to think this is the same ol Wrecking Ball. Megamix put a nice spin on it, pun not intended. Maybe they're doing something similar here?

Haha. I wish. Doubtful though.

In any case, I hope they dont simply take old sonic bosses and rehash them... I DO want some new Eggman bosses... even if its old things with new spins.

[Mirby]

Thanks for steering the topic back on-track Flame! Anyways, I think that's what they're going to do. Fresh takes on classic bosses. Maybe we'll see the drill machine from Sonic 2 that looks like Eggman's trying to [twin slasher] you?

Sure, Sonic Advance version, but still.

[Satoryu]

If my theory's correct, they're saving the new [parasitic bomb] for Episodes 2 and onward.

[Flame]

If my theory's correct, they're saving the new [parasitic bomb] for Episodes 2 and onward.

Makes sense to me.

[Kieran]

Wait, what the hell is this?

[Fxeni]

I wouldn't go so far to say Metroid does it. But yeah, Kirby is notorious for this stuff.

Ridley and Kraid come to mind as far as Metroid is concerned.

But yeah, that's not an issue. Well, at least it shouldn't be, but apparently it is. They can pay tribute to the old games all they want, as long as they don't overdo it.

[Waifu]

As long as we get playable Super Sonic, decent level design, the speed feel, two player co op and the debug, it just be okay but honestly I am not expecting too much from tyhis game. As far I am concerned and I quote:

RIP Sonic 1991-1997

Although we could alway have:

The only thing that Sega can do to save face is cancel the game, or have dedicated fans create the REAL Sonic 4.

I would like if we the dedicated fans can just make the Sonic 4 ourselves, we already spriters and game desingers on this forum alone, why not Sega just let us create the real Sonic 4 while they can continue milking the franchise by putting in more angsty Shadow, the Trunks clone Silver and just random buddy that is just a plot device for the latest game, they "worked" so far at designing?

[HokutoNoBen]

...Ok...sorry, but now that I see even clearer, I like the overall look even worse. Everything in the foreground seems to have a sort of "tacky" gloss to it, and then there's hi-res BGs. The looks clash, and it doesn't make for a good overall presentation.

On the other hand, I guess when we're talking about like 5 dollars for an asking price, then y'know what, what the hell? You do you, Sega-Sonic.  

[Jericho]

Honestly, I'm just looking for a good game. If this game is a good game, I'll play it, even with some gripes that come up here and there (most notably so far for me is the stiff and "plasticy" look the game has so far). If it isn't well, it isn't.

I would like if we the dedicated fans can just make the Sonic 4 ourselves, we already spriters and game desingers on this forum alone, why not Sega just let us create the real Sonic 4 while they can continue milking the franchise by putting in more angsty Shadow, the Trunks clone Silver and just random buddy that is just a plot device for the latest game, they "worked" so far at designing?

This would never be a good idea. Know why? There's too much of a gap between the fanbase over what makes a good Sonic game. Grabbing a bunch of these folks and putting them together with financial backing could only lead to disaster unless all of them could compromise and come to a group decision on things.

[Nekomata]

The problem is that this is Sonic 4. A sequel implies new content, not rehashing the old. The wrecking ball appearance in S3K was acceptable, seeing how it wound up the Death Egg saga, but this is just unacceptable.

how about you quit bitching and let me enjoy this while you go back to reporting every vaguely offensive post on gamefaqs.

[STM]

Sonic fans can never be pleased.

Seriously, go kill yourselves.