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Flame · **Reply #25 on:** November 07, 2009, 06:57:08 AM

Quote from: Hypershell on November 07, 2009, 05:19:54 AM

Yes, I did, sorry. I'm in the habit of thinking of human-sized as the first and giant monsters as the final; Albert reverses that trend.

As well as making the first form more epic than the second.

Skaarg · **Reply #26 on:** November 07, 2009, 07:32:33 AM

Quote from: Hypershell on October 29, 2009, 02:47:26 AM

Model W - Albert
Model A - Albert
Model X - Ciel
Model Z - Ciel
Model H - Ciel
Model L - Ciel
Model F - Ciel
Model P - Ciel
Model O - Unknown; canonically questionable
Model a - Unknown; canonically questionable; actual fragment may not exist as it is an A-Trans form

I've always felt Model O and Model a were little bonuses like the street fighter moves in X1 and X2. They shouldn't be seen as canon at all, but are there for us to enjoy if we seek them out.

Flame · **Reply #27 on:** November 07, 2009, 09:02:20 AM

We cant say that for sure. Omega himself is canon, as he has his own Datadisk. Its the biometal thats the mystery. you can interact with Fleuve to get it, but only after clearing the game, and it has no impact on the story. Plus, you can get it without ever even seeing Omega. Just beat the Z3 and 4 bosses.

Zan · **Reply #28 on:** November 07, 2009, 01:38:19 PM

I don't see how you can deny Model O's canon status, Flammole mentioned sensing a very strong Livemetal that he initially believed to be Vent/Aile's. Upon his death he realized it wasn't them he sensed, and he wonders if it was Model V or something else.

ZX Tunes outright says it was not Model V, but that what he actually sensed was a given.

Not to mention, Area N exists solely for the challenge to obtain the mysterious stone. Are you going to pronounce a whole area non-canon?

And besides, the Street Fighter moves in X1 and X2 are canon. Right was a practitioner of martial arts/maybe ansatsuken and X can use chi to throw fireballs because his soul is nearly human.

Acid · **Reply #29 on:** November 07, 2009, 01:47:04 PM

I really wish Sigma could use the Psycho Crusher.

Hypershell · **Reply #30 on:** November 07, 2009, 04:00:49 PM

Quote from: Flame on November 07, 2009, 09:02:20 AM

Its the biometal thats the mystery. you can interact with Fleuve to get it, but only after clearing the game

Again, the BIOMETAL is not post-game, you can obtain it as soon as you have access to Area N. You just can't use it until post-game. There's a difference. The implication I get is that it is canonically there but that Vent/Aile are not "meant" to find it in the storyline.

Flame · **Reply #31 on:** November 07, 2009, 10:21:16 PM

except its only called a biometal after you give it to Fleuve. before that, its just a "mysterious rock" that happens to look like an Omega Livemetal.

whatever though. Im not bout to argue about it.
It could be canon, it could not be. Either way, it has no impact on the story...

Zan · **Reply #32 on:** November 08, 2009, 01:37:06 AM

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It could be canon, it could not be. Either way, it has no impact on the story...

Flammole begs to differ.

Flame · **Reply #33 on:** November 08, 2009, 01:55:16 AM

what I mean is, either way it is irrelevant to the story outside of Flammole mentioning it

Acid · **Reply #34 on:** November 08, 2009, 02:00:45 AM

The only canon thing about Model O is that it exists. Getting is is purely optional and actually not plot relevant.

Hypershell · **Reply #35 on:** November 08, 2009, 04:38:55 PM

Quote from: Flame on November 07, 2009, 10:21:16 PM

except its only called a biometal after you give it to Fleuve. before that, its just a "mysterious rock" that happens to look like an Omega Livemetal.

By what logic is Biometal not considered Biometal until someone calls it such?

Not all Biometal is immediately recognizable. Model A doesn't recognize the Model W cores.

Flame · **Reply #36 on:** November 08, 2009, 05:39:07 PM

Mmm. True enough. Though given that Vent and Aile have seen 7 biometals by then, and a W core, you'd think they would recognize the basic shape of something that resembles the Ciel Biometal design.

Zan · **Reply #37 on:** November 08, 2009, 05:41:42 PM

Except Model O doesn't talk. So, until identified, all it is to them is a mysterious floating stone statue of sorts.

Flame · **Reply #38 on:** November 08, 2009, 07:07:00 PM

Makes sense I guess. I wonder if they will ever revisit Model O in any potential sequel(s)?

The Great Gonzo · **Reply #39 on:** November 08, 2009, 07:17:38 PM

They'd have to retcon him out of ZX for it to make sense, I think.

Flame · **Reply #40 on:** November 08, 2009, 07:43:53 PM

Why? He could just as easily been stolen out of the lab with the rest, but not given a biomatch yet.

Acid · **Reply #41 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:02:57 PM

MODEL O ACTUALLY BECAME THE REAVERBOTS LATER.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.

Sub Tank · **Reply #42 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:06:53 PM

GIRO IS THE MASTER.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.

EVEN THOUGH HE'S [spoiler]DEAD[/spoiler].

Acid · **Reply #43 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:11:22 PM

THE MASTER IS DEAD TOO

Hypershell · **Reply #44 on:** November 10, 2009, 02:58:01 AM

Yeah, but Giro died before he started wearing blue.

OR SO YOU THINK!

Quote from: Flame on November 08, 2009, 07:43:53 PM

Why? He could just as easily been stolen out of the lab with the rest, but not given a biomatch yet.

Or somebody other than Vent/Aile could fish him out of Area N.

Those equipped with Sprites Inc. know that there was in fact tile data for a Model O life bar, along with some leftover ZX junk.

HyperSonicEXE · **Reply #45 on:** November 10, 2009, 03:02:45 AM

Which is odd, because they scrapped the outright use of Model O by itself by Vent/Aile.

Are Vent/Aile unable to perform single Biometal transformations anymore or something? Or was "Model O"'s moveset so similar to Zx's that they made it Ox just to "qualify" Model Ox's "weakness" and allow for future story hijinx all in one fell swoop?

Flame · **Reply #46 on:** November 10, 2009, 04:56:44 AM

They were never shown to use any biometal alone except for X.

Hypershell · **Reply #47 on:** November 11, 2009, 01:27:11 AM

They are fully able to. They do not because, canonically speaking, it is pointless. Double Rock On draws out more power.

Quote from: Aldo on November 10, 2009, 03:02:45 AM

Which is odd, because they scrapped the outright use of Model O by itself by Vent/Aile.

How is the lack of Model O by Vent/Aile any different from the lack of Models H, L, F, and P by Vent/Aile? Again, singular Rock Ons are pointless story-wise; Double Rock On is superior. Generally it functions as enhancing the secondary metal; ZX being the exception as its abilities are a more direct merger of X and Z.

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they made it Ox just to "qualify" Model Ox's "weakness"

The idea that Double Rock On weakens the secondary model is complete fanon and a direct contradiction to Prometheus's words after he first fought Vent as Model ZX.

And he should know. He fought both Model Z and Model X alone.

OmegaZ · **Reply #48 on:** November 13, 2009, 03:39:25 AM

This is true.

ZetaForce · **Reply #49 on:** January 01, 2010, 09:49:03 PM

I also think the storyline was confusing from ZX, and also the transition to ZX Advent.

At first, after experiencing (but most likely not completely comprehending) the story, I thought that Ciel made Model XZHFLP, whilst I thought that (at first) it was Dr. Viel who made Model V. Then, after playing ZX Advent, I learned that Albert created(?) Model V.

And I need some clearing up. While Aile/Vent were away, they left Models HFLP in a lab, and someone stole 'em? Also, why was Aile/Vent compatible with HFLP?

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Who exactly created the Biometals?