Do you know what makes me sad?

[Flame]

Yeah. it was like that. Although, even if you dislike the controls for Xtreme 2, you cant deny it was better than Xtreme 1 even if it was rehashed stages. (although a few had some changes If I remember right)
Hell, the final form of Sigma was an original form. Even if his fist one was his X2 version.

All matters on Controls aside, I thought it was a great game.

[Protoman Blues]

From what I saw of Vixy playing it, the stages looked well designed from Xtreme 2.  Of course, from what I saw of Vixy playing it, it only reconfirmed my strong desire never to play it.

[Flame]

Whatever. I suppose if you dont like it you dont like it. I if I like it,  I like it.

[Soultrigger]

Ugh, I remember picking up Xtreme 1 again out of boredom, and the final stage started glitching on me: after the 8 bosses, the screen wouldn't scroll correctly, and X would actually walk off the screen. I couldn't even go on to fight Sigma.
I would record it, but I'm not sure the exact way to reproduce the glitch. Although it happened more than once.

[Hypershell]

No dash button = awful for dashing & ESPECIALLY dashing off of walls. It's playing a series with a faster paced control scheme with less buttons, thereby hindering it & slowing it down.

Nobody cares when you have proper air-dash momentum, you need only a double-tap and you're flying.  Which actually leaves Xtreme2 at a faster pace than the PS1 games so far as aerial/wall maneuvers go.

Although, even if you dislike the controls for Xtreme 2, you cant deny it was better than Xtreme 1 even if it was rehashed stages. (although a few had some changes If I remember right)

The only purely rehashed stage in Xtreme1 is Flame Mammoth.  Launch Octopus is extremely similar but does have a few extra branches.  Volt Catfish (although not from his own stage but from Toxic Seahorse's) and the first two Fortress stages re-use some segments and carry original segments at the same time.

Both of the above two points are where Xtreme1 failed.  There is little if any original stage design and a 2-button setup does not work without an air-dash (I agree, Select is not positioned for that).  Armor upgrades were pretty crappy as well.  Furthermore Xtreme1 suffers MM2GB syndrome in that its instruments are positively ear-piercing.  Compare the victory jingles in both games, it's the same tune (X1's), but Xtreme1 murdered it while Xtreme2's sounds nice.

[Zan]

You know, with PB complaining about lacking certain control features, he'd probably really dislike fighting Berkana. >.>

[VixyNyan]

Unless he's really good at avoiding the button-lock thingies she throws at him. ^^

[The Drunken Dishwasher]

Reading this through, i'm shocked that noone mentioned how Shadow Complex handled 2.5D really well.

...that's it.

As far as the 16-bit disagreement goes.  I think only direction can say much on it, especially on good design.

[Protoman Blues]

Nobody cares when you have proper air-dash momentum, you need only a double-tap and you're flying.  Which actually leaves Xtreme2 at a faster pace than the PS1 games so far as aerial/wall maneuvers go.

And again, I hate double-tapping for dashing in everything except Turtles in Time.

You know, with PB complaining about lacking certain control features, he'd probably really dislike fighting Berkana. >.>

I'd venture to say yes! 

Unless he's really good at avoiding the button-lock thingies she throws at him. ^^

If the game had a Dash Button, it'd be no problem! 

[The Drunken Dishwasher]

And again, I hate double-tapping for dashing in everything except Turtles in Time.

I know you're not the most stellar in fighting games (or so you and Lou say), but even fighting games too?

[Protoman Blues]

I know you're not the most stellar in fighting games (or so you and Lou say), but even fighting games too?

Hmmm, valid point.  Although, come to think of it, I don't even do it that often in fighting games.  Heh, probably one of the reasons I suck.

[Solar]

And again, I hate double-tapping for dashing in everything except Turtles in Time.

Air dashing in Xtreme 2 is the same as double jumping, so no excuses for that one

[AquaTeamV3]

Air dashing in Xtreme 2 is the same as double jumping, so no excuses for that one

It's also the same in X6 in case of the Falcon and Blade Armors.  I actually do double-tap from time to time and it's no real hassle, although I do agree that MM&B failed for forcing it on us, especially after they had just made MMZ which utilized shoulder-dashing.

[Solar]

Yeah, but R&F already used the shoulder buttons for weapon switching, so insted of removing them (which I wouldn't really mind) and mapping the dash button to L or R for MM&B, they simply removed the dash button and left them there =/

[Protoman Blues]

Air dashing in Xtreme 2 is the same as double jumping, so no excuses for that one

As in, I press the jump button twice....and I dash in the air?

[VixyNyan]

Exactly. When you're in mid-air of a jump, press the jump button to air-dash. That's simple controls. ^^

[Protoman Blues]

It still sounds awful for dashing off the walls.

There's just no pleasing me! 

[AquaTeamV3]

Wall-dashing was done automatically IIRC.  Simply jumping off of a wall gave you the same distance as a dash-wall-jump would.

[VixyNyan]

Wall-dashing was done automatically IIRC.

In Xtreme 1 yea, but not in Xtreme 2. ^^

[Flame]

that ability was exclusive to the Xtreme 1 armor, the ability to dash wall jump just by regular wall jumping, since it is the first armor, and can not give you the dash you already have by default.
Xtreme 2 had the upwards air dash from X3. (In the X2 armor!)

[Bag of Magic Food]

The only purely rehashed stage in Xtreme1 is Flame Mammoth.  Launch Octopus is extremely similar but does have a few extra branches.  Volt Catfish (although not from his own stage but from Toxic Seahorse's) and the first two Fortress stages re-use some segments and carry original segments at the same time.

Wasn't Wire Sponge also pretty similar?  And don't forget that Neon Tiger has mostly Sting Chameleon for some reason!

Compare the victory jingles in both games, it's the same tune (X1's), but Xtreme1 murdered it while Xtreme2's sounds nice.

They sound about the same, only the first game has a higher-pitched melody, which sounds cuter, which matches the cute X sprites!  And then the second game's password song is too fast.  Maybe Super Nintendo can handle that kind of speed, but ya gotta cool it for Game Boy!

[Hypershell]

You know, with PB complaining about lacking certain control features, he'd probably really dislike fighting Berkana. >.>

Now I know I've been on RPM too long, because I'm picturing Berkana chaining PB to the wall and....you know what, I'd rather not pursue those images.

As in, I press the jump button twice....and I dash in the air?

*smacks PB with his magic fish*

YES!!!

I've spent MONTHS trying to tell you that and you're only now catching on?!

Dear God, man, just play the thing already.  At least then if you need to [sonic slicer], you'll know what you're bitching about.

Wasn't Wire Sponge also pretty similar?  And don't forget that Neon Tiger has mostly Sting Chameleon for some reason!

Forgot about Wire Sponge.  And yeah, there is some Sting likeness, but it's short.

All in all the level design is nicely balanced between old and new, though.  Whereas Xtreme1 was pretty much just old.  Might as well play the originals in that case.

[Solar]

To be fair to PB, you said you have to double tap, which usually means tapping forward twice not pressing A and then A again.

Oh, and I hadn't seen the fish in a while, what happened to it?

[Protoman Blues]

*smacks PB with his magic fish*

YES!!!

I've spent MONTHS trying to tell you that and you're only now catching on?!

Dear God, man, just play the thing already.  At least then if you need to [sonic slicer], you'll know what you're bitching about.

Again...

It still sounds awful for dashing off the walls.

There's just no pleasing me!  

[Hypershell]

It would be awful if it were PS1 air-dashing.  Thankfully, it is not, and it therefore rocks.  

To be fair to PB, you said you have to double tap, which usually means tapping forward twice not pressing A and then A again.

Okay, that excuses THIS thread.  What about the other 2 billion times I've spoken to him?  Smacking PB for not playing Xtreme2 is practically as old as my presence on the board.  I've been over the improvements from Xtreme1, and the difference that air-dashing makes being chief among them, more times than I can possibly count.

Oh, and I hadn't seen the fish in a while, what happened to it?

Gave Zan his own, and I didn't want the two of 'em to get too close.