Topic: Armors and Weapons

[CyberXIII]

Can we move back on topic?

[Bag of Magic Food]

My technobabble explanation was that the special weapons are nuclear-powered, and, um, radioactive decay happens!

[X-3]

I'm theorizing damage to his systems from each fight with Sigma has something to do with it. That may only apply to X5, where he was left in tatters, though.

[Acrosurge]

In the instances where it is not specifically stated (or directly implied) that X rid himself of the armors and upgrades, I like to think that he stores them away in case of an emergency (such as the battle with Zero in X5).  This explains why we do not see them most of the time, and provides a way for them to reappear on occasion (such as X5).

[Align]

But then he should be able to grab one during stage select, surely?

[CyberXIII]

But then he should be able to grab one during stage select, surely?

Now that part's a gameplay mechanic.

Plus, if I'm right, the 8 previous weapons are linked to the previous armor.

[Align]

Perhaps reploids just get that much stronger in every generation, so that the weapons+armors from previous wars are already outdated and too weak by the next.

[Flame]

X6 is mere weeks after 5...

[Align]

Yes, but the enemies are from the Nightmare Virus, which I think is described as the worst thing ever.

[Acrosurge]

Perhaps reploids just get that much stronger in every generation, so that the weapons+armors from previous wars are already outdated and too weak by the next.

If the above is true, it does not explain why X would choose to use outdated weapons against Zero in X5, when he could access the latest arsenal.

The reploids do seem to get stronger as time goes by, however.

[Hypershell]

There's kinda truth to both points on that.  Note how much of a beating the various Sigma clones in X8's final stage can take.  By no means boss-level, but still pretty darn tough.

Of course, there was a previous Copy Sigma who WAS a boss, so that kinda throws a monkey wrench into the comparison.  Nevertheless, dialogue in X8 seems to show that the top of the older pack is still pretty respectable in present-day.

If you compare the Power/Speed ratings between X2 and X3 you can get a nice idea of progress and how Sigma compares as well.  Sigma's Power and Speed in X2 are each 18500rp.  No animaloid in X3 can touch that.  Doppler is close but not quite, Bit almost matches in Speed, Byte has a slight edge in Power.  Only Gokarmachine and Sigma's new bodies truly surpass that mark.

[Nekomata]

and X :P

[Hypershell]

Don't be a smartass.

X is unknown, as is Zero.

[Zan]

There's kinda truth to both points on that.  Note how much of a beating the various Sigma clones in X8's final stage can take.  By no means boss-level, but still pretty darn tough.

Of course, there was a previous Copy Sigma who WAS a boss, so that kinda throws a monkey wrench into the comparison.

I think that's not a comparison that can easily be made.. the power of the copied Sigma form is related to the power of the Repliroid and its copy ability....

As supplied by MarshmallowMan.

Rockman X8 Hisshou Kouryaku Hou,
Copy Sigma's bio:
ここまでのコピー可能なのは１００００体に１体の割合。
Compared to other copy abilities [Copy ability reploids], only one in ten thousand are at this level.

[Bag of Magic Food]

Don't be a smartass.

X is unknown, as is Zero.

Unknown in the story, or because it depends on the player?

[Hypershell]

Unknown in the story.  X and Zero are listed in the X2 Power/Speed ratings as "????", before Zero was ever put in the player's hands.  X3 reiterates it, and also adds the Sigma Virus to the "unknown" pile.

I consider that a testament to their "impossible to analyze" nature as elaborated in X5 and X6.  Even Gate, as much progress as he made on Zero, admits that he could have spent more time on it.  Then a few centuries later we have Ciel's Copy X, which Zero recalls as being weaker than the real thing.

[marshmallow man]

If the above is true, it does not explain why X would choose to use outdated weapons against Zero in X5, when he could access the latest arsenal.

It's possible to arrive there without ever having acquired any of the weapons... though it would certainly take both luck and skill. That doesn't seem to affect Zero's moves though. I think X might've used them because he was already familiar with their powers, and in particular because he wanted to use Soul Body. X and Zero seem to agree, it is the weapon of choice for taking out an opponent who's already beaten you.

[Flame]

Except Zero does not have Soul body. what he gets, is his own variation in X5, Twin dream. Which leads one to assume that if you fight Zero, he uses Twin dream.

Also,to add onto Marshmallow, Those moves were also powered up. They all, with the exception of Double cyclone, act slightly, (in Soul body's case DRASTICALLY) different that their X4 versions.  Frost Tower follows you around, and Soul Body, no longer creates a full clone of X, but shoots uncharged Soul bodies that are shaped like the Ultimate Armor. Actually, Its now more similar to Split Mushroom's own version.

So I assume that X also had that thought in mind. His weapons from X4 were still attached to the Ultimate Armor, and- wait, that makes me think of another thought. Ultimate armor was not Canon until X5 X vs Zero. in X5 it was also a secret. What if X found the Capsule and  knew very well that using his old X4 weapons with it would soup them up? Though that also begs the question of why He did not use the Nova Strike. Though that can also be because of X being hesitant to go full force against his best friend.

[Bag of Magic Food]

Unknown in the story.  X and Zero are listed in the X2 Power/Speed ratings as "????", before Zero was ever put in the player's hands.  X3 reiterates it, and also adds the Sigma Virus to the "unknown" pile.

Shucks, I was thinking later games could fill in the numbers by computing how well the player did.


Oh well, I'll just yell "OVER 9000!" whenever I see those question marks.

[Hypershell]

So I assume that X also had that thought in mind. His weapons from X4 were still attached to the Ultimate Armor, and- wait, that makes me think of another thought. Ultimate armor was not Canon until X5 X vs Zero. in X5 it was also a secret. What if X found the Capsule and  knew very well that using his old X4 weapons with it would soup them up? Though that also begs the question of why He did not use the Nova Strike. Though that can also be because of X being hesitant to go full force against his best friend.

However, the X4 and X5 Ultimate Armors have different color schemes.  The X vs. Zero fight uses the X4 color scheme.  And as I mentioned earlier it also uses the X4 charge effect, bizarre as that it.

Another pointless visual nitpick, IIRC there is no green trail on his buster shot.

[CyberXIII]

Last I checked, X4 and X5 had the same color scheme for the UA.  X6 was the one with a new paint job.

[Flame]

Last I checked, X4 and X5 had the same color scheme for the UA.  X6 was the one with a new paint job.

The arms and legs are X's regular green/blue, like with all his armors, and the armor itself is a brighter more "X" blue. the crystal is alos green whereas it was more of a sky blue before

X4 just directly reused X4's Ultimate Armor. complete with weapons and charge effect. >.>;

[CyberXIII]

Let me rephrase that.

X6 was the one with a noticeable paint job.

[Flame]

X5 was pretty noticeable to me. Its hard no to notice that X's arms aren't purple anymore and that the armor is a brighter blue.

[AdamTheHedgehog]

also, while X5 has the Forth Armor, it does not have the head parts benefits.