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Reply #50 on: March 06, 2009, 03:10:15 AM
The Rockman3 guys are the ones that might be put to use by society.
They were all just minding their own business in the mining industry before Wily corrupted them. Although Shadow Man is the only one who can't really be confirmed, and was possibly just another creation by Wily in the fashion of Mega Man 2.
The creation of the Guts-Dozer remains a mystery and can never be proved, but we can safely say it was made from the original Guts Man. I think Guts Man's parts (hench the extra copies), and possibly brain were used in his making.
Now, I'm confused with why everyone's referencing Rockman Rockman. Isn't it just a reboot of the original?



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Reply #51 on: March 06, 2009, 04:42:29 AM
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They were all just minding their own business in the mining industry before Wily corrupted them. Although Shadow Man is the only one who can't really be confirmed, and was possibly just another creation by Wily in the fashion of Mega Man 2.
Hooo boy... this converesation could go on for hours...

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #52 on: March 06, 2009, 04:12:25 PM
Hooo boy... this converesation could go on for weeks...

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Reply #53 on: March 06, 2009, 04:19:13 PM
I like how this "quick" question already spreads across 3 pages.



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Reply #54 on: March 06, 2009, 10:06:22 PM
But the manual said they were all rebelious mining robots,  :'(



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Reply #55 on: March 07, 2009, 12:20:34 AM
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is the only one who can't really be confirmed,

I'd be out of character for him, as he never once was good, that is why we should call it confirmed he's the exception amongst the R3 robots. The guy's even of alien origin to establish him as different even more. Besides, as of Battle and Chase, the guy created a ninja temple filled with traps! Doubt the government would like that. NapalmMan on the other hand decided to be peaceful and create a museum. I'd say it's possible for some of these Wily made's to do something beneficial for society, but only out of their own desires, nothing forced. That's just the quirkiness of the series.

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Now, I'm confused with why everyone's referencing Rockman Rockman. Isn't it just a reboot of the original?

Rockman Rockman is Rockman, just as much as Irregular Hunter X is RockmanX. It's just the first games with the details that were always in the books included into the plot (either as established in the first game, or in subsequent titles), there's some new additions, yes. But the intend of both games always was to have the same story told in a modern manner. To give a prime example, interview has confirmed that the Day of Sigma was originally supposed to be scenes we already knew, that happened before X1, then they decided to make it grander as fanservice. Writers of the Day of Sigma were thus given the explicit order to keep stick to the original plot of RockmanX as close as possible.

Given everything, there's obvious attempts to keep the series as a single continuity. As such these remakes shouldn't be able to affect what we see in titles that are not going to be remade. Such things as discarding games would only make a mess.

IHX after all references the likes of X8 and RZOCW, to the point that it was advertised as telling us "Sigma's true reason for rebelling!" going with the irregular at will train of thought promoted in X8. There's also the case that newer games follow both the remake and the originals, as with Rockman9's release.

All in all, some details might change, such as Penguin's height, but it's still one series and both the remake and the original have validity to the whole that is the Rockman series. It's not like in Castlevania where games are outright discarded because they wrote themselves into a corner. And it's note like Zelda where the grand plan of the canon is a complete unknown. Rockman in general is THE most coherent plotwise of the classic series. Only Metroid rivals it. Where Rockman has issues with the grand amount of games released and Capcom's inability to close plotlines, Metroid has far less games but has to deal with the Prime series tying into the old games in the end.


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The creation of the Guts-Dozer remains a mystery and can never be proved, but we can safely say it was made from the original Guts Man. I think Guts Man's parts (hench the extra copies), and possibly brain were used in his making.

I really don't think we can safely assume it's the original when it can't be proven... As Gauntlet said, why would the original be deactivated and put into a museum? It'd be reducing a character to a mere display figure.



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Reply #56 on: March 07, 2009, 04:22:32 AM
Wouldn't the included concept present within MegaMan 9, about the expiration dates be some form of a factor? Primitive or in the works of being established? Had the Robots within the Museum been original, then the Museum would be benefiting from that law. If they are not, then sooner or later they would be reduced to less-than their original state.



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Reply #57 on: March 07, 2009, 02:40:03 PM
Rockman9 (and definitely Ariga's adaption featured in the official AST) implicates the law is a recent thing. Given his character, I would also say Light is against it, and the law would be discarded after the events of Rockman9, as they saw that robots still want to remain useful and not be bound to expiration dates.



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Reply #58 on: March 08, 2009, 05:21:39 PM
Rockman9 (and definitely Ariga's adaption featured in the official AST) implicates the law is a recent thing. Given his character, I would also say Light is against it, and the law would be discarded after the events of Rockman9, as they saw that robots still want to remain useful and not be bound to expiration dates.

What about Megaman? He robot too X(



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Reply #59 on: March 08, 2009, 06:02:51 PM
The first Light robots are protected by Light


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Reply #60 on: March 08, 2009, 08:22:18 PM
What about Megaman? He robot too X(

It applies only to all newer robots.

From Megamix:
"Day by day, so many thousands of our kind are thrown away across the world..."
"The times have changed."
"Now, robots are no longer created as specialized individuals such as yourself!!"
"We were merely created to be replaced by newer models sooner or later... And those new models too will...
"...Perhaps those such as you who are given special treatment and have no worries of being discarded cannot understand.'"
"Hour by hour, the fear of impending death..."
"When "that time" comes in our work, our prides, our prejudices, our memories"
"... Our regrets ... A destiny of robots where everything is ended by force."



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Reply #61 on: March 08, 2009, 08:25:38 PM
What about Megaman? He robot too X(

He is also the super fighting robot who saved the world at least a dozen times.



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Reply #62 on: March 08, 2009, 08:59:33 PM
Rockman9 (and definitely Ariga's adaption featured in the official AST) implicates the law is a recent thing. Given his character, I would also say Light is against it, and the law would be discarded after the events of Rockman9, as they saw that robots still want to remain useful and not be bound to expiration dates.
Yeah, there was a pretty big time-gap between Mega Man & Bass and Mega Man 9. For crying out loud, he forgot how to slide and charge his Mega Buster!



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Reply #63 on: March 09, 2009, 05:42:49 AM
With the time gap between MM&B, it is possible that Light locked those abilities up within MegaMan. In hopes that they would no longer be needed. But till Wily showed back up, Light reactivated the Buster. But very well may not have had that time to reactivate the charge and slider.



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Reply #64 on: March 09, 2009, 01:28:44 PM
It applies only to all newer robots.

From Megamix:
"Day by day, so many thousands of our kind are thrown away across the world..."
"The times have changed."
"Now, robots are no longer created as specialized individuals such as yourself!!"
"We were merely created to be replaced by newer models sooner or later... And those new models too will...
"...Perhaps those such as you who are given special treatment and have no worries of being discarded cannot understand.'"
"Hour by hour, the fear of impending death..."
"When "that time" comes in our work, our prides, our prejudices, our memories"
"... Our regrets ... A destiny of robots where everything is ended by force."

Stupid Three Laws of Robot whatever that is -_- -_- (I hate it ;O;).....but still what about Fakeman? he also newest created by Dr.Wily, does it mean Fakeman also gonna scrap?



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Reply #65 on: March 09, 2009, 03:01:35 PM
Fakeman was Wily´s robot, not a goverment robot. He was just a fake policeman robot.


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Reply #66 on: March 09, 2009, 03:45:57 PM
Fakeman was Wily´s robot, not a goverment robot. He was just a fake policeman robot.

Yes i know, but about the others? Megaman 2 to Megaman & Bass actually doing bad things (Except 4&6) & i agree about Slashman's theory, why Megaman 9's robot masters going into scrapped not sending them to Robot Museum instead, does make any sense, maybe Zan could help this for while.



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Reply #67 on: March 09, 2009, 03:59:20 PM
Yeah, there was a pretty big time-gap between Mega Man & Bass and Mega Man 9. For crying out loud, he forgot how to slide and charge his Mega Buster!

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Reply #68 on: March 10, 2009, 01:49:17 PM
The expiration date law applies to numerous industrial robots, those which are newly developed. FakeMen are Wily produced, they are not limited by any law. The original police robots which FakeMen are based on are mass produced identical robots, akin to Sniper Joes. As mass produced robots, they're even easier to replace.

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Yes i know, but about the others? Megaman 2 to Megaman & Bass actually doing bad things (Except 4&6) & i agree about Slashman's theory, why Megaman 9's robot masters going into scrapped not sending them to Robot Museum instead, does make any sense, maybe Zan could help this for while.

Again, who says the ones in the museum are the real things? They just seem to be mindless display robots. GutsMan couldn't even move when Wily took him. (Which emphasized CutMan and WoodMan can't be from there; who would transport them?) Going from there, either the R9 bosses already have a copy in the museum, long before they were initially scrapped, or individuality is put on the back-burner by the new robot law so much that they care don't care about immortalizing robots which will be replaced by newer robots which will be replaced by newer robots.



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Reply #69 on: March 10, 2009, 02:06:20 PM
The expiration date law applies to numerous industrial robots, those which are newly developed. FakeMen are Wily produced, they are not limited by any law. The original police robots which FakeMen are based on are mass produced identical robots, akin to Sniper Joes. As mass produced robots, they're even easier to replace.

Again, who says the ones in the museum are the real things? They just seem to be mindless display robots. GutsMan couldn't even move when Wily took him. (Which emphasized CutMan and WoodMan can't be from there; who would transport them?) Going from there, either the R9 bosses already have a copy in the museum, long before they were initially scrapped, or individuality is put on the back-burner by the new robot law so much that they care don't care about immortalizing robots which will be replaced by newer robots which will be replaced by newer robots.

Oh...sorry, i always think Robot Museum was real robots...Thanks for info. 8)



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Reply #70 on: March 10, 2009, 06:04:43 PM
Again, who says the ones in the museum are the real things? They just seem to be mindless display robots. GutsMan couldn't even move when Wily took him. (Which emphasized CutMan and WoodMan can't be from there; who would transport them?) Going from there, either the R9 bosses already have a copy in the museum, long before they were initially scrapped, or individuality is put on the back-burner by the new robot law so much that they care don't care about immortalizing robots which will be replaced by newer robots which will be replaced by newer robots.

Although it would be reasonable for the robots in the museum to be non-functional copies, the event in MM7 suggests that Capcom intended for those to be the deactivated originals. Otherwise, why would Wily need to steal a simple display replica? Not only that cheapens the impact of the scene, it makes no sense; Wily stole the real article long before that, and even created new machines based on the design (Guts Dozer). He should've been perfectly capable of creating Guts Man G as an entirely new robot with such experience.

As for Cut Man and Wood Man, I vaguely recall reading in a site (Rockman Robot Centre?) that the two were also stolen from the museum, just before Guts Man (explaining their presence in MM8). If someone else can confirm that...



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Reply #71 on: March 10, 2009, 06:26:03 PM
It was a big gap between the release of RM7 and RM8...

Rockman 7: 1995.03.24
Rockman 8: 1996.12.17 (PS1) 1997.01.17 (Saturn)

If the developers has been planning this event beforehand, but decided not to reveal anything in source books, then the only leads we have (visually), is the boss room with "Mush" in the Museum.

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Reply #72 on: March 10, 2009, 11:10:20 PM
With the time gap between MM&B, it is possible that Light locked those abilities up within MegaMan. In hopes that they would no longer be needed. But till Wily showed back up, Light reactivated the Buster. But very well may not have had that time to reactivate the charge and slider.
Could be, but if Dr. Light was assured Mega Man wouldn't need those weapons anymore, why didn't he just change him back into a household robot?



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Reply #73 on: March 11, 2009, 11:14:48 AM
Could be, but if Dr. Light was assured Mega Man wouldn't need those weapons anymore, why didn't he just change him back into a household robot?

Because in Megaman 9, Dr.Light actually have no time to fix megabuster & slide because robot masters already lauch attack, so, he forced Megaman going out to save the world before it's too late.
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Reply #74 on: March 12, 2009, 12:23:12 AM
That's the most reasonable explanation I've heard for it.