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News and Announcements / Re: Zero Fanart Contest Begins at Capcom Unity
« on: June 16, 2010, 12:22:01 AM »
Ah well, I guess it doesn't really matter, as what's done is done. In my view, if there's a case where you know that somebody's cheating for you, making any sort of crack indicating that you don't look at it in a negative light is essentially approval, and worthy of the disqualification anyway. Thank you kindly for your insight.
Either way, I am amused that I was apparently an instrument of karma. Especially considering my profile theme.
Either way, I am amused that I was apparently an instrument of karma. Especially considering my profile theme.
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News and Announcements / Re: Zero Fanart Contest Begins at Capcom Unity
« on: June 15, 2010, 10:17:14 AM »Yeah, it was kinda hard to keep the pace, but I got the general idea. I rofl´d after seeing jgonzo´s post in the thread
As an aside for the sake of my own curiosity, do you think everybody was joking there?
I actually got PMed by GeminiSaint about this at some point, because he's Creepo's friend or such. He was rather adamant that I apologize, but I personally never bought the "I WAS KIDDING" excuse, since the concept of it being a joke only appeared after the disqualification came down. I'm curious what somebody else who speaks Spanish thinks.
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News and Announcements / Re: Zero Fanart Contest Begins at Capcom Unity
« on: June 15, 2010, 05:18:06 AM »
That's certainly one way to think of it.
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News and Announcements / Re: Zero Fanart Contest Begins at Capcom Unity
« on: June 15, 2010, 02:18:23 AM »So, JGonzo takes some possibly shady dealings in a contest and uses it to reach more megaman fans.
I think I like Capcom Unity.
The operative word is 'tried', haha. It didn't work.
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Also, KoiDrake...
Here.
http://www.tarreo.com/foro/index.php?/topic/648031-megaowned-final-del-concurso-de-megaman/
They use some very specific slang you may not understand. My interpreter got pretty angry at it, actually, haha.
Good thing they changed the forum layout, it used to be disastrously cluttered.
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News and Announcements / Re: Zero Fanart Contest Begins at Capcom Unity
« on: June 14, 2010, 09:07:09 PM »
Heh... after I pointed out what Creepo was saying, he went into complete damage control. What was really interesting was how, in his, uh, 'apologies', he claimed his English was bad. Broken sentences, et cetera.
Andrew Dickman also got an apology, since Creepo had called him a Photoshop noob with no skill. Again, the English was inexplicably bad, not to mention AWD saw the apology as half-hearted despite not even knowing what had happened.
Yet Creepo's entry on DA about it? Good English. Like the rest of his DA entries.
What does THAT tell you?
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Now, there is one more bit to the story I think I should reveal that I have not said anywhere.
JGonzo eventually, inexplicably reversed course and said it was a big misunderstanding, that it was a joke, et cetera. Never mind that he could read Spanish and initially came to the same conclusion my original interpreter and I did. Some brand of 'unique Chilean humor' was supposedly involved.
What he forgot to mention to everyone, but Creepo was happy to mention on the Chilean (not Spanish, my bad, they were Chilean) forum, was that JGonzo wanted him to be the, uh, South American Capcom Unity fan correspondent. This was because Creepo was from South America and such, and CU wanted a way to reach out to that section of the fanbase. It would be unpaid, plus Creepo was pissy at being disuqalified, so it was turned down.
Relevant to JGonzo's sudden reversal? You decide.
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Honestly the main issue behind a small group of judges is the fact that if you annoy one, you torpedo your chances of winning. At least with a public system, the favoritism is spread out more.
Of course, it becomes a problem when popular DA artists gets involved and spam their watchers' inboxes, so there's a double-edge to every sword.
Frankly I think this would be mitigated by instituting 'no vote begging' rules. Nobody would be able to do a double spamming of their watchers' inboxes, since anybody who looked would know and disqualification would be immediate.
Andrew Dickman also got an apology, since Creepo had called him a Photoshop noob with no skill. Again, the English was inexplicably bad, not to mention AWD saw the apology as half-hearted despite not even knowing what had happened.
Yet Creepo's entry on DA about it? Good English. Like the rest of his DA entries.
What does THAT tell you?
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Now, there is one more bit to the story I think I should reveal that I have not said anywhere.
JGonzo eventually, inexplicably reversed course and said it was a big misunderstanding, that it was a joke, et cetera. Never mind that he could read Spanish and initially came to the same conclusion my original interpreter and I did. Some brand of 'unique Chilean humor' was supposedly involved.
What he forgot to mention to everyone, but Creepo was happy to mention on the Chilean (not Spanish, my bad, they were Chilean) forum, was that JGonzo wanted him to be the, uh, South American Capcom Unity fan correspondent. This was because Creepo was from South America and such, and CU wanted a way to reach out to that section of the fanbase. It would be unpaid, plus Creepo was pissy at being disuqalified, so it was turned down.
Relevant to JGonzo's sudden reversal? You decide.
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Honestly the main issue behind a small group of judges is the fact that if you annoy one, you torpedo your chances of winning. At least with a public system, the favoritism is spread out more.
Of course, it becomes a problem when popular DA artists gets involved and spam their watchers' inboxes, so there's a double-edge to every sword.
Frankly I think this would be mitigated by instituting 'no vote begging' rules. Nobody would be able to do a double spamming of their watchers' inboxes, since anybody who looked would know and disqualification would be immediate.
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News and Announcements / Re: Zero Fanart Contest Begins at Capcom Unity
« on: June 14, 2010, 06:01:26 AM »I really didn´t liked the public voting method from the previous contests. Some awful entries got within the top ten because they surely voted their own drawing like there´s no tomorrow. One of the entries got banned in the finals for something alike to that, besides other reasons I didn´t fully understood.
If anything they should allow voting to registered users only and control in case there´s some multi accounting going on.
Which entries did you have in mind, out of curiosity?
As for that disqualification incident you mention... hah, you should have seen the damage control from Creepo once I pointed out what was being said over in a Spanish forum. I'm the guy who found out and posted about it. In addition to that he posted a journal, a poll, and an edited version of his picture to DA, essentially triple spamming his watchers' inboxes with notices to vote for him.
Something was incredibly suspicious as soon as he entered the Strike Man contest and won by a margin that was never, ever beaten. It was triple the win margin of anything else in any other public vote Capcom contest whose vote counts I know of. It was unbelievable. Inconceivable, even. Hence why I looked.
Some extra fun information I never posted anywhere... I can tell you that Creepo's DQed entry received around 540 or so votes, out of a maximum of 4,300 or so if my memory serves. I know this because I viewed the source code, which revealed these numbers. So, it is conceivable that even with the cheating he could not have won.
As for the actual winners...
The biggest surprise was third place. I can actually tell you that the final contest's third place did not do anything. I searched high and low for evidence. Completely legit. Tiny fanbase too. It was the only... action shot of the winning three, so I imagine that played a role.
Second place, Andrew Dickman, and I am going to speak plainly here, essentially won due to his massive DA fanbase. He posted a journal and an edited version of his contest picture to double-notify his watchers to vote.
First place, Hollow Zero, posted a journal entry explicitly in response to these DA entries of Creepo and Andrew Dickman, but their fanbase is a fraction of both's, like... a tenth. Searching turns up no foul play.
Ah, reminiscing...
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As for the registered users restriction... That would help, sure.
Judging does stop outright cheating, but it comes at the expense of allowing mod/admin favoritism and wacky personal preferences to come into the equation, as this topic indicates.
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News and Announcements / Re: Zero Fanart Contest Begins at Capcom Unity
« on: June 11, 2010, 06:01:17 PM »
I always find it odd how these art contest topics die out as the contests go through their stages.
That said, there is far too much faith in the concept of judges. If you know in advance who the judges are, it is entirely possible to look into their history, their personal likes/dislikes, and simply pander to that for a significantly improved chance of winning regardless of skill.
Not to mention that all humans are biased, and therefore since the judges in this instance are mods, pleasant or unpleasant interactions with them on the message boards also tip the odds due to unconscious cognitive processes. It is similar in concept to how some prospective graduate school students try to find out who judges the applications, and then try to gain their favor.
In this case, we knew who the judges were as soon as Week 2 hit.
With this is mind, there is equal logic to putting it to a public vote. The only thing you risk in a public vote is cheating, which I believe I did a decent job rooting out in the last contest.
That said, there is far too much faith in the concept of judges. If you know in advance who the judges are, it is entirely possible to look into their history, their personal likes/dislikes, and simply pander to that for a significantly improved chance of winning regardless of skill.
Not to mention that all humans are biased, and therefore since the judges in this instance are mods, pleasant or unpleasant interactions with them on the message boards also tip the odds due to unconscious cognitive processes. It is similar in concept to how some prospective graduate school students try to find out who judges the applications, and then try to gain their favor.
In this case, we knew who the judges were as soon as Week 2 hit.
With this is mind, there is equal logic to putting it to a public vote. The only thing you risk in a public vote is cheating, which I believe I did a decent job rooting out in the last contest.
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News and Announcements / Re: Capcom-Unity Hosts Mega Man 10 Fanart Contest
« on: March 30, 2010, 01:03:46 AM »
I feel bad for people who voted for Creepo. I found out that their votes just got flat-out subtracted from the total.
I know Rock Miyabi couldn't vote after that fiasco.
I know Rock Miyabi couldn't vote after that fiasco.
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News and Announcements / Re: Capcom-Unity Hosts Mega Man 10 Fanart Contest
« on: March 30, 2010, 12:34:24 AM »My money is on AWD, P-RO and Creepo taking home the sketches. Not necessarily in that order. I'm tempted to vote on overall work rather than just that one pic, because for some of the artists, I don't think their winning entry was even their best piece of their cumulative entries. But I have a feeling most will lean to one of those three images.
You really have to just pity P-RO. Why wasn't she more popular?
I got the impression she suddenly shifted to hyper-Japanese art in an attempt to win more votes.
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