It has been stated that Quint is what is to become of Mega Man in 30-something years (after being kidnapped and remodled by Wily). Now, Mega Man faces himself in Mega Man II for the Game Boy, and wins (if you can consider killing yourself winning). Now, I may not be an expert on the subject, but if you kill yourself from the future, won't that create some problems? How is Rock still alive after that anyways?
Well, if you killed your future self I'm sure it wouldn't change history. However, if you kill your past self, now THAT'S a problem.
This is why Quint hates time anomalies.
All he's done is prevent anything his future self would have done. He will live to that point, and then be killed by another version of his past self, and then that one will live to that point, etc.
That's assuming Quint's presence and Rock realizing he would become Quint one day doesn't convince him into using his electronic brain and thinking "I should do something to prevent that from happening."
But you all forgot: Quint survives his battles with Rock in MM II
Quote from: Blackhook on January 30, 2009, 12:25:27 PM
But you all forgot: Quint survives his battles with Rock in MM II
This.
You see Quint teleport away after you "defeat" him, to parts unknown.
And as stated in the World 2 manga, Rockman believes in his justice and courage, and vows to never become like Quint (Though Quint was clearly destroyed in the manga...).
inb4mangacanonicalstatus
QuoteBut you all forgot: Quint survives his battles with Rock in MM II
And gets destroyed in World5.
Also, destroyed robots never stay destroyed.
Quote30-something years
Only according to the English manual.
Wasn't there an argument that the Quint in World 5 could be just a copy robot, and not the Quint from World 2?
No matter what that Quint was, a Quint still got destroyed. We don't know what it is until someone gets out the books and figures it out.
Well, there were alot of tubes with Quint copies on Wily´s ship
Well, there were a lots of Gutsmans in Rockman1 Wily Stage 4, yet we fought one no different from the other rematches. Of course, we don't know if those other rematches are the originals. Wily may have copies, but we can't tell whether or not he used them. Same case for the World5 Rockman Killers and Quint.
I think it's safe to say that those are just extras. When Wily was experimenting with the future Mega Man, he made test robots, one of which turned out to be R-Shadow. As he tells it, the spares just get thrown aside.
R-Shadow is actually quite different from them. More like a prototype of Quint made in the future, discarded because he obtained the real Rockman. Also, those copies only appeared in World5, not World2.
Challenger from the Future is officially canon.
Quint in World 2 was also the real one and the first appearance.
All of the Quints in World 5 are copies (mass-produced, one of them was functional).
Live with it.
QuoteChallenger from the Future is officially canon.
As canon as MegaMission with its obvious Zero - Light Capsule disagreement. So.. officially pseudo-canon, after all, it's just licensed and has that obvious 200X error. Both it and MegaMission get a spot in R20, one gets a mention in Advent, the other has actual Capcom involvement.
QuoteAll of the Quints in World 5 are copies (mass-produced, one of them was functional).
Sourcebook quote plz.
Quote from: Zan on January 31, 2009, 01:32:38 AM
Also, those copies only appeared in World5, not World2.
I know that, but it still could be true. Just wouldn't make the most lodgical sense.
Still, whatever canonically happened to Quint after World 2?
Disappeared from the face of the Earth?
Quote from: Vixy on January 31, 2009, 01:34:37 AM
Challenger from the Future is officially canon.
Quint in World 2 was also the real one and the first appearance.
All of the Quints in World 5 are copies (mass-produced, one of them was functional).
Live with it.
Right, so why was Quint trying to destroy his past self anyway?
Or was he just trying to knock out RockMan in order to transform him into Quint sooner? You know, so he would have gotten more accomplished in his new identity.
QuoteRight, so why was Quint trying to destroy his past self anyway?
Because Wily reprogrammed him, Wily is Wily wants Rock defeated.
QuoteShinichameleon / Nayim
Vixy's post has already been addressed. Challenger from the Future isn't entirely canon, and we don't know the nature of Quint in W5 until one of the books says it outright. After all, with him surviving that first encounter and appearing far too little (Rockboard only). Why would it not be the original? There's otherwise no closure to his story. Especially when Rockman Shadow always proclaimed he isn't Quint.
I guess now we know why Mega Man X was made...
Quote from: Zan on January 31, 2009, 01:25:49 PM
Because Wily reprogrammed him, Wily is Wily wants Rock defeated.
Ah, so it's Dr. Wily who doesn't care about paradoxes.
Maybe Wily's ultimate goal isn't to destroy Rock, but rather to destroy his faith in others and in peace. Think about it. Every encounter gives him new powers, makes him more powerful. Every time he faces Wily, he gets a bit less patient with him (heck, he even THREATENS Wily at the end of MM7 - think about THAT, too!). And Wily's ambition, all along, is to use these powerful Robot Masters - Rock being one of them - to conquer the world with their superior power.
Perhaps destroying MegaMan was the goal in his more ignorant days, but it's a far easier thing - and better outcome for Wily - if he simply succeeds in manipulating him, instead. For example, notice the HUGE paradigm shift in Wily between MM8 and MM9. When a creature of such enormous power as Rock ever DOES lose their faith in lasting peace, what do you think *would* become of them? And of course, "frienemies" like Bass/Forte really help that a lot.
(Speaking of Time Paradoxes - does it even really make sense to "chronologicalize" them in the first place?)
QuoteMaybe Wily's ultimate goal isn't to destroy Rock, but rather to destroy his faith in others and in peace.
Albert W. Wily's ultimate goal is to prove himself superior to his rival Thomas Right. Everything else is secondary, tertiary and even less than that.
Quote from: Zan on February 02, 2009, 07:36:40 PM
Albert W. Wily's ultimate goal is to prove himself superior to his rival Thomas Right. Everything else is secondary, tertiary and even less than that.
I'm sure that's very true. In fact, I liken their relationship to that of Magneto/Professor X, or Reed Richards/Doctor Doom; with their biggest difference being much the same. Right/Light in favor of peace, Wily in favor of might and power. And the concept of the Robot Masters, along with their usage? That became their undoing.
The disproving of one another's philosophies is the key to "besting" the other, and the Robot Masters - Rock right in the center of it all - is the means by which they seek to do so.
Quote from: Vixy on January 31, 2009, 01:34:37 AM
Challenger from the Future is officially canon.
Quint in World 2 was also the real one and the first appearance.
All of the Quints in World 5 are copies (mass-produced, one of them was functional).
Live with it.
Actually, I think every Mega Man Killer in Mega Man V is just a clone (just like the ones you rematch in Wily's castle) because you don't get their weapons.
Wily wouldn't nessesarily have to make clones of robots he created. He could just make more of them. After all, they're robots.
I'd say the Quint that died in W5 was the real Quint. Simply because I haven't heard anywhere they he was a clone and Quint hasn't been seen since. But even if he was the real Quint, that doesn't mean Wily couldn't just build him again if he wanted to. Shadowman, for instance, was made from an alien robot. You'd think something like that would be too unique to copy, but he reappears in the teleport stage, B&C, and PF. He also appeared in SAR, but RaMoon build him.
Maybe MM's weapon-hoding-thing was too full to allow him to steal the RM Killer's weapons on top of the Stardroids? The fact that there's legions of them inside of Wily's fortress is a look into World 5's story. I guess Wily finally smartened up and decided to make an army of his really good robots (Quint nonwithstanding, lol) in order to take over the world.
Quote from: Gauntlet101010 on February 03, 2009, 12:59:30 AM
Wily wouldn't nessesarily have to make clones of robots he created. He could just make more of them. After all, they're robots.
Does he always have the plans for them, though? What about all the robots Wily didn't build?
Quote from: Gauntlet101010 on February 03, 2009, 12:59:30 AM
Maybe MM's weapon-hoding-thing was too full to allow him to steal the RM Killer's weapons on top of the Stardroids?
Ah, that's a good thought, that MegaRockMan can only hold 8 or 9 extra weapons. Remember how Wily Tower let you take anything from the first 3 games, except you were limited to 8 weapons and 3 transports? (Yeah, 8 and 3, like an MS-DOS filename.) Then you don't get any weapons from the Megaworld Corps. Maybe Rock was already way too full, and that's why!
Quote from: Dr. Wily II on January 31, 2009, 03:29:35 AM
Still, whatever canonically happened to Quint after World 2?
Disappeared from the face of the Earth?
he went to the same place Dynamo, Douglas and Lifesavor went to. as well as the place Cain went to after X4.
Quote from: Gauntlet101010 on February 03, 2009, 12:59:30 AM
Wily wouldn't nessesarily have to make clones of robots he created. He could just make more of them. After all, they're robots.
I'd say the Quint that died in W5 was the real Quint. Simply because I haven't heard anywhere they he was a clone and Quint hasn't been seen since. But even if he was the real Quint, that doesn't mean Wily couldn't just build him again if he wanted to. Shadowman, for instance, was made from an alien robot. You'd think something like that would be too unique to copy, but he reappears in the teleport stage, B&C, and PF. He also appeared in SAR, but RaMoon build him.
Maybe MM's weapon-hoding-thing was too full to allow him to steal the RM Killer's weapons on top of the Stardroids? The fact that there's legions of them inside of Wily's fortress is a look into World 5's story. I guess Wily finally smartened up and decided to make an army of his really good robots (Quint nonwithstanding, lol) in order to take over the world.
In the original Mega Man, you saw just how easily Wily could clone a robot.
As for where he went afterwards... That may HAVE actually been him in Mega Man V, because he couldn't travel time on his own. Wily probably sent him back to fight Mega Man (why this took 3 games is beyond me).
Quote from: Slash Man on February 03, 2009, 03:23:53 AM
(why this took 3 games is beyond me).
maybe Wily was using Dialup? :P
Quote from: Flame on February 03, 2009, 02:53:34 AM
he went to the same place Dynamo, Douglas and Lifesavor went to. as well as the place Cain went to after X4.
Nice, Limbo is rather warm this time of year. 8D
Quote from: Flame on February 03, 2009, 03:26:45 AM
maybe Wily was using Dialup? :P
A-ha-ha-ha.
Or, maybe this "time traveling, future Rockman" is nothing but a psychological logic hoax, planting a seed that Rock *WILL* turn bad. After all, it's -totally possible- that "Quint" = the second fortress boss on the OG MegaMan. You know, the one in "the disco room?" ;) IIRC, you face 3 more of them in MM3.
And ShadowMan based on an "alien robot?" What about Blues? Duo knows him from somewhere. What about Terra? What if - get this - none of them are entirely "robots" at all? A couple of doctors simply assume they are, because their internal organs are electronic...
Quotebecause he couldn't travel time on his own.
The time machine is Wily's fortress, which conveniently never blew up in the game.
Quote from: Zan on February 03, 2009, 05:33:31 PM
The time machine is Wily's fortress, which conveniently never blew up in the game.
He probably wouldn't even want to go back since Wily reprogrammed him.
I always thought that once Rock was jacked, that particular future altered from the one Wily returned too...
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