Why Inafune or some of the Mega Man fans hate Quint? He is mega man from the future who was brought to the past and rebuilt to fight Mega Man and was alter retconned into Rockman Shadow but still does the InafKing really hate him that much?
Lol, yes they do
I'm no fan of Quint.
It was also "lol dark" to have to fight yourself and face your fears, so they "tried" to avoid that years later until SRA. -_-
I don't like him or hate him.
The thing is, MegaRockMan should have both a pogo stick AND a ray gun, and then he'll finally be able to compete with Commander Keen.
I don't think Inafking hates Quint...he's just an underused character. (I like him well enough)
By the way, I had to argue with two people why Quint is indeed future Mega. One thought it wasn't fair to Mega, the other used an outdated RnF GBA translation as "proof" that Capcom had retconned Quint into just another Wily robot (not future Mega).
If you'll forgive the capslock of rage, I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE I HAD TO ARGUE OVER THAT.
Rockman Shadow is NOT Quint.
And Quint is epic.
I like his pogo stick :>
It's appaling to me that black and white Game Boy games have decided Rock's fate as a loser on a pogo stick with a wannabe Proto Man helmet.
People hate Quint? This is news to me. I always thought he was pretty cool.
Quote from: Zan on March 22, 2010, 01:56:37 AM
And Quint is epic.
This.
Quote from: Harruhy on March 22, 2010, 02:52:16 AM
People hate Quint? This is news to me. I always thought he was pretty cool.
This too.
Quint AND R Shadow are both cool in my eyes.
When I was a kid who saw Quint"et" in Nintendo Power I thought he was cool and mysterious. But he's too easy. He's just too easy and fights nothing like Megaman. What's worse is that his weapon isn't even too useful in the game, which coulda saved him. So all that robs him of his initial coolness.
And the future stuff really feels ... tacked on. Yeah, I know it's the backstory to MM2GB. I know. But, background to Wily's fortress aisde, I don't see it. If I hadn't been told Quint was a future MM, I would never have guessed. And that's the problem with Quint. He has this cool origin and a cool design (even on the US box art) and it's all executed poorly.
Inafune thinks MM2 GB missed the mark as a whole, I dunno what he thinks about Quint himself. But the ending shows MM gunning down a fleeing Dr. Wily, so I'd have to agree with Inafune. It's the coldest I ever saw classic MM. I don't hate 2GB, but looking back I do feel it's done poorly in comparison to other MM games.
As for RM Shadow, he's much better than Quint. He just has more powers and he can slide and has his own buster. So he's much more connected to MM than the original was. But his origin seems needlessly complicated and the writing for that game seems as lousy as the RMs.
Pogo stick of DOOM
Need I say more?
Seriously, Quint needs more screentime.
I don´t like time travels. Also he and his powers seem lame compared to the R-killers and other special bots.
But you get to hop around on a pogo-stick of DOOM!
What's more awesome than THAT!?
Indeed. I like Quint and his pogo-stick of DOOM. I personally thought he was pretty creative, even though the concept really isn't that original. And he has a pogo-stick of DOOM.
Heh, when I took Gaunt's "Which Megaman are You" quiz, I got Quint. XD
I don't mind Quint, really. His helmet design looks nice, and his pogo stick is, RM weapon-wise, somewhat out of the box.
That said, it would be nice if the game even HAD AN INTRO, in order to briefly give us his backstory. Unfortunately, the GB/World games didn't even give us intros until the 4th one.
Well, that's when the mangas come in really. XD
The Rockman 2 manga gave a rather nice backstory into how Quint came to be.
It's a shame they didn't use him with the RM Killers in MM10. :(
It's because, he really isn't considered a Killer by Killer standards...
At least he did make an appearance in World 5... ._.
I like Quint from MSpaint Masterpieces.
The game Quint... not so much.
Actually I'm indifferent to his game persona.
The problem wasn't Quint himself.
He was a great idea, and an awesome looking-robot. The problem was that MMII was rushed so fast that it was a mess. Glitches everywhere, BAD sound effects, and terrible music outside of two or three tunes. Quint got stuck in here, and suffered for it. They didn't even have time to give him any attacks, just jumping.
I'm replaying Megaman 1-5 right now.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/Werty2132/Quint.png)
I like Quint. And didn't he get a much bigger role in a certain WS game?
I think someone hate him because he might non - canon megaman character and besides take look Quint boss battle, it take pull off 45 sec or 25 sec.
Quote from: KirbyPink on March 22, 2010, 05:22:40 PM
And didn't he get a much bigger role in a certain WS game?
That's not Quint in that certain WS game, it's Rockman Shadow.
Quote from: Shinichameleon / Nayim on March 22, 2010, 05:30:48 PM
I think someone hate him because he might non - canon megaman character and besides take look Quint boss battle, it take pull off 45 sec or 25 sec.
Seriously, TopMan and BombMan are harder to beat than him
Umm... who's Quint? ._.
http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Quint
Quint:
Linking to MMKB on a Rockman forum is the same thing as consistently typing "Ganon" with an extra N in the middle on a Zelda forum. Very ill advised.
Theres a "Gannon" Street near my College.
...
I should petition to have it changed to Ganon. For real.
Quote from: Zan on March 23, 2010, 01:15:25 AM
Quint:
Linking to MMKB on a Rockman forum is the same thing as consistently typing "Ganon" with an extra N in the middle on a Zelda forum. Very ill advised.
Looking over that article, it seems to be all right. Still, I'd stick with TMMN's articles.
Quote from: Quint on March 22, 2010, 05:22:40 PM
I like Quint. And didn't he get a much bigger role in a certain WS game?
Quote from: Zan on March 22, 2010, 01:56:37 AM
Rockman Shadow is NOT Quint.
Quote from: Shinichameleon / Nayim on March 22, 2010, 05:30:48 PM
I think someone hate him because he might non - canon megaman character and besides take look Quint boss battle, it take pull off 45 sec or 25 sec.
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Quote from: Dr. Wily II on March 22, 2010, 05:52:02 PM
That's not Quint in that certain WS game, it's Rockman Shadow.
Aren't you giving away the plot twist?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/RyanFerneau/ImQuint.jpg)
"I think I'm Quint."
Fine fine, here you go.
http://www.themmnetwork.com/wiki/index.php?title=Quint
I don't hate Quint, he's aright. According to the information disc on Mega Man and Bass (GBA), Quint hates Himself.
He's not bad, but he's no Ballade.
Quote from: dragontamer272 on March 23, 2010, 07:30:15 AM
I don't hate Quint, he's aright. According to the information disc on Mega Man and Bass (GBA), Quint hates Himself.
Hm...that explain a lot... -_-
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Aren't you giving away the plot twist?
That's not the twist of the story, at all. It's clear from the intro story that Rock does not recognize the black Rockman. He is never thought to be Quint.
Quote from: Zan on March 23, 2010, 02:51:15 PM
That's not the twist of the story, at all. It's clear from the intro story that Rock does not recognize the black Rockman. He is never thought to be Quint.
And that's really odd since he looks very much like Quint!
Maybe Quint didn't make much of an impression and Rock just forgot about him. >0<
It's also wierd that Rock comments that Shadow looks like him. With the costume differences and a visor covering half of his face how can he make this claim?
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And that's really odd since he looks very much like Quint!
Maybe Quint didn't make much of an impression and Rock just forgot about him.
I think the idea is that Quint doesn't have an all black armor and that Quint wouldn't go around with a new identity.
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It's also wierd that Rock comments that Shadow looks like him. With the costume differences and a visor covering half of his face how can he make this claim?
Rock has plenty experience with slightly different visored lookalikes. One turned out to be his prototype of sorts, the other his future self. So, the question running through his mind is "who is this third one?"
Quote from: Zan on March 23, 2010, 03:46:59 PM
I think the idea is that Quint doesn't have an all black armor and that Quint wouldn't go around with a new identity.
Rock has plenty experience with slightly different visored lookalikes. One turned out to be his prototype of sorts, the other his future self. So, the question running through his mind is "who is this third one?"
I don't buy either of those explanations. It just seems like bad storytelling to me.
Quotebad storytelling
As a classic series Rockman side story developed by Bandai for Wonderswan, you expected any less?
I tought this topic was about how everyone hates Quint? Not his backstory. >w<
Look, the topic is wrong. Not everyone hates Quint. That's like saying everyone hate's X and everyone loves Zero.
People have there own like and hate against something.
I hate Taco Pie for example yet i love Tacos. Does that mean everyone hate Taco Pie? No.
Everyone doesn't hate him.
Topic Closed.
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the number of pic of Quint........just 7 only?
It seem in Japan don't like Quint either.
Quote from: Zan on March 23, 2010, 04:02:15 PM
As a classic series Rockman side story developed by Bandai for Wonderswan, you expected any less?
>0< Good point!
There's a few ways they could have conveyed their ideas better ... on all fronts of that game. But, I guess, like Quint himself, it suffers from poor excecution.
Quote from: dragontamer272 on March 23, 2010, 07:30:15 AM
I don't hate Quint, he's aright. According to the information disc on Mega Man and Bass (GBA), Quint hates Himself.
I wouldn't exactly trust that translation that far, rather.
If a certain fan translation of the SFC Rockman & Forte database is correct, it seems that his dislike is "Time Paradoxes". Which might explain why he left at the end of his battle, really (not that the game made any effort to explain it ::)).
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the number of pic of Quint........just 7 only?
It seem in Japan don't like Quint either.
At least, Deviantart has more Quint fan art.
Okay, most of it is from miss GG, but still. ;)
Quote from: Gauntlet101010 on March 23, 2010, 04:08:45 PM
>0< Good point!
There's a few ways they could have conveyed their ideas better ... on all fronts of that game. But, I guess, like Quint himself, it suffers from poor excecution.
When a MM game gets outsourced to a different company, you can't really expect it to be magnificently executed, as said company most likely doesn't care about the franchise as much as Inafking does. >U<
Edit: Unless, of course, you get the company that did the Game Boy/World MMs 1, 3, 4 and 5. 8)
QuoteI tought this topic was about how everyone hates Quint? Not his backstory.
You should be enjoying this discussion of your namesake!
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There's a few ways they could have conveyed their ideas better
Well, that's the nature of the classic series story in general. But that's why we have the likes of manga artists to delve deeper into these unexplored areas of the story.
Which reminds me, WilyII mentioned a manga with Quint in it on the other page... do we have any more info about this?
Fine , ill play along. He he play along...
Hm...i should make a Quint team. 8 Robot masters that Quint himself made...yea! Aw this is going to be some fun spriting. owo
QuoteWell, that's the nature of the classic series story in general.
The WS game has cutscenes and long bits of dialogue. They don't have the excuses of the NES era to fall back on. And early NES era at that.
QuoteWhen a MM game gets outsourced to a different company, you can't really expect it to be magnificently executed, as said company most likely doesn't care about the franchise as much as Inafking does.
You know, I wonder about that. WS has some good ideas. I like that they used Tango and Reggae. I even like that they revisited Quint. They didn't have to do any of that. I think they care about Rockman. I just don't think they did things very well. That's all.
Quote from: Quint on March 23, 2010, 04:24:40 PM
Fine , ill play along. He he play along...
Hm...i should make a Quint team. 8 Robot masters that Quint himself made...yea! Aw this is going to be some fun spriting. owo
Why would Quint make his own RMs? He is a simple combat robot after all
Quote from: Blackhook on March 23, 2010, 04:32:57 PM
Why would Quint make his own RMs? He is a simple combat robot after all
Because he's eeeeeeeeeevil!
His team could be comprised of an turned-evil roll, a turned-evil Beat, and a turned-evil Auto. Among others.
With or without pogosticks or similar?
Hm, that's a good question.
Well, we all know the Sakugarne is a turned-evil Rush. (not really, but just run with this). So Maybe a turned evil Roll could have a drill that used to be Beat.
Quote from: Taiyo on March 23, 2010, 04:34:56 PM
With or without pogosticks or similar?
Since Quint´s pogostick is half jackhammer, I guess they would have half Kid Vehicles half working tools.
Quote from: Gauntlet101010 on March 23, 2010, 04:36:51 PM
Hm, that's a good question.
Well, we all know the Sakugarne is a turned-evil Rush. (not really, but just run with this). So Maybe a turned evil Roll could have a drill that used to be Beat.
Hmm, so then there would be a turned-evil Protoman using a turned-evil Tango, a turned-evil Auto using a turned-evil Eddie, and just because, a turned-good Bass using a turned-good Treble trying to stop them.
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The WS game has cutscenes and long bits of dialogue. They don't have the excuses of the NES era to fall back on. And early NES era at that.
There are certain expectations to live up to though, just like R9 and R10 restrict themselves so very much to a NES story despite the extra cutscenes.
Quotea turned-evil Beat, and a turned-evil Auto.
From the future!
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Hm...i should make a Quint team. 8 Robot masters that Quint himself made...yea! Aw this is going to be some fun spriting.
Don't forget to paint Quint black and give him a beamsaber mounted on his arm.
Interesting concept (if not derivative), I have to say. [eyebrow]
For the reason why he's doing that, it would be because he finally had peace, before Wily came to his time and crushed his hopes and dreams, by stealing and converting him.
Therefore, he wants revenge against Wily (IN THE PAST!), so he converts his friends into his servants and builds 8 RMs, then makes a time machine, for that purpose.
Quote from: Gauntlet101010 on March 23, 2010, 04:29:08 PMYou know, I wonder about that. WS has some good ideas. I like that they used Tango and Reggae. I even like that they revisited Quint. They didn't have to do any of that. I think they care about Rockman. I just don't think they did things very well. That's all.
Good point, I have to admit. They probably had difficulties trying to make a good MM game on inferior hardware, or something.
QuoteThere are certain expectations to live up to though, just like R9 and R10 restrict themselves so very much to a NES story despite the extra cutscenes.
I guess you thought the story and all aspects of it was awsome?
I don't get the feeling that WS was restricting themselves in terms of technology or era. I think they simply told a bad story. The basic ideas were decent, but the excecution was flawed. And it's not anything to do with technology. They can show cutscene pictures and have words on the screen. The technology is there. Rather, they just told a bad story. Good ideas, bad story.
I have no problem with MM9 and 10's storytelling. But I do with WS's.
Seems reasonable enough. I mean, how the heck could Rockman Shadow have travelled into the past anyway? He didn't have any time machine, or anything. Not to mention that the RMs are referred to as "The Dimensions", which makes no sense at all.
The version of the story, shown in the MMOCW, makes even LESS sense, by saying that RS and crew live in another dimension. A prototype, for a future weapon, residing in another dimension. Sure, I'd buy that for a dollar. ::)
It's too bad that the story was such a mess, as I kinda liked Dangan/Bullet Man (don't look at me like that -_-).
I liked Quint. He's my favorite original boss from the Game Boy games. Also, Rockman and Forte (WS) was a horrible game. Maybe that's why he has such a horrible reputation? Is that game even canon?
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I guess you thought the story and all aspects of it was awsome?
I thought it was fitting for the classic series.
QuoteI mean, how the heck could Rockman Shadow have travelled into the past anyway? He didn't have any time machine, or anything.
Who says he didn't? He's from the future! And Wily's time machine also still existed.
QuoteNot to mention that the RMs are referred to as "The Dimensions", which makes no sense at all.
The version of the story, shown in the MMOCW, makes even LESS sense, by saying that RS and crew live in another dimension. A prototype, for a future weapon, residing in another dimension.
Time is a dimension.
Quote from: KudosForce on March 23, 2010, 05:25:45 PM
The version of the story, shown in the MMOCW, makes even LESS sense, by saying that RS and crew live in another dimension. A prototype, for a future weapon, residing in another dimension. Sure, I'd buy that for a dollar. ::)
OH HA HA OH WOW!
Eggman Nega is from another dimension, while at the same time, he's the descendant of Eggman's from far future.
OH HA HA HA!
You know, I like this. If I ever finish my R&F parody fic, I might do a sequel with WS R&F. : P
QuoteI thought it was fitting for the classic series.
We just gotta agree to disagree, then.
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We just gotta agree to disagree, then.
I meant R9 and R10's.
QuoteOH HA HA OH WOW!
Eggman Nega is from another dimension, while at the same time, he's the descendant of Eggman's from far future.
Time is a dimension.
Quote from: Zan on March 23, 2010, 05:30:37 PMWho says he didn't? He's from the future! And Wily's time machine also still existed.
Fair enough. Quint might have used the Time Skimmer to go back to the future. RS may have stumbled upon the machine and used it for his own ends.
QuoteTime is a dimension.
Well, that shows how much I know. I guess that makes sense. :\
Quote from: KudosForce on March 23, 2010, 05:49:00 PM
Well, that shows how much I know. I guess that makes sense. :\
Time and space are linked. They're the same thing. That's what time relativity is all about.
Quote from: Lightning on March 23, 2010, 05:51:28 PM
Time and space are linked. They're the same thing. That's what time relativity is all about.
Ahh, I see now. It's no wonder that when time travel is involved, people would say "time and space". :)
Quote from: Zan on March 23, 2010, 05:43:06 PM
Time is a dimension.
I know that much.
I was just laughing at how similar both of those plots are.
I don't hate Quint, because I haven't been able to play the GB games yet. God Capcom should had released that GB collection years ago! I don't feel like emulating or hunting them out anytime soon unless I walk with my nose in front of them.
Quote from: Zan on March 23, 2010, 03:46:59 PM
I think the idea is that Quint doesn't have an all black armor and that Quint wouldn't go around with a new identity.
You mean they made
color differences part of the story in a
grayscale game? :|
I seriously didn't expect the "Shadow" name to be literal...
Quote from: Kharaxel on March 23, 2010, 05:34:51 PM
Eggman Nega is from another dimension, while at the same time, he's the descendant of Eggman's from far future.
The way I explain it is, Blaze's universe is a "possible future" of Sonic's universe. One universe got a head start on the other universe, but the exact same events happened in both until people started crossing over between them.
QuoteYou mean they made color differences part of the story in a grayscale game? Sigh
I seriously didn't expect the "Shadow" name to be literal...
The story text emphasizes he's "dark/black" on many occasions. Likewise, his design has several key differences with Quint, and he's not acting under Wily, thus the conclusion given from the get go is that he's not Quint, but rather someone else. This Rockman tells us his name is "Rockman Shadow."
BLUES: That is Rockman Shadow, just like his name, he is your shadow. As you become stronger it will be the true enemy you face.
R-SHADOW: Didn't you realize it? As you fought with my subordinates... Every time you defeat an enemy, it gets more dangerous for you. I was literally your shadow. Don't drown in power like I did, Rockman. Keep on protecting everyone... Farewell.
ROCKMAN: I understand Shadow... I'll continue my fight from here. I promise I won't misuse my power. Goodbye.
I guess when Megaman uses a weapon the Robot Masters suddenly don't recognise him too. Because of the new weapon and color change.
QuoteI guess when Megaman uses a weapon the Robot Masters suddenly don't recognise him too. Because of the new weapon and color change.
There's much more different between Quint and R-shadow than just the color scheme.
Quote from: Zan on March 24, 2010, 06:47:26 PM
There's much more different between Quint and R-shadow than just the color scheme.
He's still recognisable as Quint over Rockman.
I mean he clearly looks like Quint! Unless Rock plumb forgot about his doppelganger from another time, he ought to be able to see that. In the game he doesn't. Which is one reason the WS story sucks.
Quote from: Zan on March 24, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
Likewise, his design has several key differences with Quint,
But what if it's the same design, only in a different art style, the way some people think MegaMan Zero's Zero is?
Quote from: Zan on March 24, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
and he's not acting under Wily
That trick's been tried before! I know it's always Wily in the end!
Quote from: Blackhook on March 23, 2010, 04:37:34 PM
Since Quint´s pogostick is half jackhammer, I guess they would have half Kid Vehicles half working tools.
Like a Tricycle with Saw blades for wheels? Or a super-soaker filled with turpentine?
Also, Quint is one of my favorite characters in the series. Also Totally sucks that we couldn't use Sakugarne for more than one level.... one that had too many cramped spaces to use it in, to boot.
QuoteHe's still recognisable as Quint over Rockman.
Do not forget that Quint is also Rockman, it is still technically correct.
But just to make clear what the intro story actually says;
Though without any witnesses, the one leading the Dimensions with overwhelming power was a robot like Rockman.This is the narrator speaking. The narrator has no reason whatsoever to bring up some obscure GB side series character at this point; it would confuse newcomers with unneeded explanations of Quint's origins before the game even begins. Long time fans however, would pick up the Quint connection without being told. Thus there is no reason to even mention it; the images speak for themselves.
Furthermore, a key point here is that nobody has seen the black Rockman yet, thus there are no characters around to mention the relation to Quint.
Rockman, who heard this news at Right's laboratory, took off to the scene despite being under maintenance.Rock only heard "the news." Which is that "a group of robots calling themselves the Dimensions attacked Symphony City", he's yet unaware that there is a robot that looks like Quint/Rockman on the scene.
At the same time, Wily saw the dark Rockman, and to ascertain the mystery he sends Forte to the city. Wily however, saw it. Wily being Wily would obviously know about the real Quint, and is thus immediately aware that this is not Quint he's dealing with; it is another Rockman. The narrator makes his point clear that Wily wants to ascertain a mystery, without having to involve Quint into the matter just yet.
Just who is this dark Rockman really?!Solely narrative. Newcomers would be in total mystery, and fans would falsely conclude Quint, until;
My name is Rockman Shadow! Without the narrative showing that Rock has spotted a resemblance to Quint, the dark Rockman says his name; flat out confirming to Rock that he's not dealing with Quint; in fact, he identifies himself as Rockman, Rockman's shadow to be precise. By saying that name he pulls it away from Quint, and toward Rockman himself.
Who the heck are you? How can it be you look just like me?Which carries one big theme of the game. That this robot is literally Rockman's shadow; that as Rock fights his power increases, that as he obtains weapons from the enemies he defeats, it becomes increasingly dangerous for him; he will become like Rockman Shadow.
Likewise, Forte is completely left in the dark, as he never even was around when Quint was. Forte has to figure out another mystery; why does this robot have a similar smell as himself? Which carries the other theme of robots made in Rockman's image which fight to become the strongest; an everlasting struggle of facing stronger and stronger enemies with no gratification which can only lead to self destruction.
NONE of that requires Quint to be openly mentioned in the intro story.
The name Quint does is only brought up later when they can add the explanation that he's a modified Rockman from the future in context to Shadow's origin, and in a way that Forte who wasn't around at the time, also gets to hear it. Bringing the story full circle and gradually informing newcomers what the longtime fans already knew from solely the images. For anybody not new to the series, you'd only be lampshading the obvious.
QuoteWhich is one reason the WS story sucks.
I suppose you can't even appreciate the story for the fact that Wily was not the bad guy, and the themes it carried about fighting stronger adversaries till self destruction and becoming corrupted by the power one obtains from defeated enemies.
QuoteBut what if it's the same design, only in a different art style, the way some people think MegaMan Zero's Zero is?
You should check out the epic flashback to World2/5 at the end of the game. Not even Rockman looks the same as Rockman Shadow apparently narrates flashbacks in a different sprite style.
ZERO-series doesn't work that way, though.
That makes complete sense, Zan!
Quote from: Zan on March 27, 2010, 12:08:20 AM
You should check out the epic flashback to World2/5 at the end of the game. Not even Rockman looks the same as Rockman Shadow apparently narrates flashbacks in a different sprite style.
But I did check it out! Remember?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/RyanFerneau/before.png)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/RyanFerneau/after.png)
You post a lot of explanation, Zan, but it utterly fails to convince me it isn't really stupid for Rock not to see Shadow as Quint. It just makes me convinced you're very good at explaining things away.
QuoteI suppose you can't even appreciate the story for the fact that Wily was not the bad guy, and the themes it carried about fighting stronger adversaries till self destruction and becoming corrupted by the power one obtains from defeated enemies.
Maybe if it was executed better I'd appreaciate it more.
They tell me RockMan never figured out that Blues was his brother, either. I think MegaMan picks up on this stuff a lot faster than RockMan.
Quoteit isn't really stupid for Rock not to see Shadow as Quint.
And who says he didn't? The narration just chooses not to go into that.
QuoteThey tell me RockMan never figured out that Blues was his brother, either.
Yet Blues has no qualms calling people his brother in Rockman Rockman...
One of the ways to make the plot better would be, in my opinion, to make Rockman Shadow look DIFFERENT than Quint, rather. That would help a lot.
Quote from: Bag of Magic Food on March 27, 2010, 02:59:08 AMThey tell me RockMan never figured out that Blues was his brother, either. I think MegaMan picks up on this stuff a lot faster than RockMan.
Except Mr. X's identity, apparently. [eyebrow] Must be the beard.
Quote from: Zan on March 27, 2010, 02:51:14 PM
Yet Blues has no qualms calling people his brother in Rockman Rockman...
Everyone except Roll and Megaman, who were never taken.
QuoteOne of the ways to make the plot better would be, in my opinion, to make Rockman Shadow look DIFFERENT than Quint, rather. That would help a lot.
That'd definately help with the dialogue the chose. Of cocurse they chould have just made the dialogue slighty different. Or possibly even a picture that actually showed how similar Shadow was to Rock. Maybe with his helmet off. Any one of these, really.
Is there a MM game with a worse plot than R&F WS? You know, that actually *has* a plot?
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Is there a MM game with a worse plot than R&F WS? You know, that actually *has* a plot?
The actual plot of RnF WS is fine, even if you think the intro is shoddily written. You're confusing the distinction there.
Also, if you're going to complain about the lack of mention of Quint early on, you might as well start complaining about how no classic series subtitle ever really factored into the plot. The Enigma of Wily, the Death of Wily, Threat from Outer Space! None of that is ever implicated outside of the visuals of the very final stage. And pretty much outright proven insignificant by then.
QuoteThe actual plot of RnF WS is fine
Well, it doesn't seem that way to me. You bending over backwards to explain away every singe detail doesn't exactly convince me about it either. I get that I can't convince you it's a bad plot. But you really can't convince me either.
I don't see the point in going in circles about it, though. Obviously we won't agree.
QuoteAlso, if you're going to complain about the lack of mention of Quint early on, you might as well start complaining about how no classic series subtitle ever really factored into the plot.
I don't see why I would.
QuoteWell, it doesn't seem that way to me.
I suppose you wanted another "Wily did it" plotline.
Quote from: Zan on March 27, 2010, 05:16:58 PM
I suppose you wanted another "Wily did it" plotline.
Just give it up, Zan. I think the plot is terrible.
The WS game's plot was quite ambitious for a classic series game if you think about it. Dismissing it just because they failed to mention Quint in the intro is a bit weak.
Oh, it's a lot more than that, that's just what this discussion focused on. But that is a very weak spot.
I'll admit they do *try*.
Other than time travel being a lame plot device to begin with, there isn't anything wrong with it. It even has unprecedented character development.
They have some good ideas. It's not a completely terrible game from top to bottom.
I liked that they revisited Quint. That was nice.
Hey, I'll accept any plot that introduces us to friggin' BULLET MAN. :)
I would be just fine to see those RMs in color...
QuoteThey have some good ideas. It's not a completely terrible game from top to bottom.
I liked that they revisited Quint. That was nice.
So what exactly was wrong about the plotline?
I have a Burning Question....Does Capcom Still Care about Him?
Quote from: Diaburn on March 28, 2010, 08:47:22 PM
I have a Burning Question....Does Capcom Still Care about Him?
Let me put it this way: 3 downloadable stages that have bosses from the GB games...Quint is not one ofthem
Neither are any of the Stardroids.
Besides, they need something for the eventual MM11....
I think Quint has more love than he deserves...the ones that don´t get enough love are Ra Thor ,King and the Genesis unit
Ra Thor <3
Quote from: Nebula ★ Black on March 28, 2010, 10:12:07 PM
Ra Thor <3
I know, me too, he was my first 16 bit sprite...good times I think I based him of somebody else´s sprite who was it...I think it was someone from Sprites Inc...
QuoteIs there a MM game with a worse plot than R&F WS? You know, that actually *has* a plot?
does MM Soccer count?
if not, then Xtreme 1 has a pretty weak plot IMO. Or that could just be that the game itelf is weak, thus making the plot feel weak.
Also, isnt R. Shadow black opposed to Quint's green?
Quote from: Blackhook on March 28, 2010, 09:47:34 PM
I think Quint has more love than he deserves...the ones that don´t get enough love are Ra Thor ,King and the Genesis unit
I do like King and the Genesis Unit... :(
In fact, Mega Water S. is becoming one of my all-time favorite water-based RMs.
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