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on: March 19, 2009, 10:53:59 PM
It's out and I want impressions. Normally, I don't try to start these kinds of threads without trying out the product first, but since my dearly beloved HP Pavillion dv8000z (my laptop) has fried, I figured this could be a good place to hear from the members of RPM about whether or not this is a worthwhile update.

Now before I hear "FireFox, you dumbass!" or something to that effect, keep in mind that I am weird (and currently using it. :P).

I am basically curious to find out whether or not I can keep all of my components branded together and have one universal first party browser or if I need to once more rely on third party for my net browsing needs. With this all said, discuss.



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Reply #1 on: March 20, 2009, 12:15:11 AM
Who gives a [tornado fang]?



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Reply #2 on: March 20, 2009, 12:20:03 AM
I'd help you but I haven't touched IE in years.



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Reply #3 on: March 20, 2009, 12:22:55 AM
what's this Internet Explorer?



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Reply #4 on: March 20, 2009, 12:32:08 AM
A trojan, obviously.



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Reply #5 on: March 20, 2009, 12:32:50 AM
I figured this would happen. No improvements? Not one? Ah who am I kidding? XD

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Reply #6 on: March 20, 2009, 01:37:27 AM
I took the liberty to unlock this thread to point out a few things. Indeed, IE8 is out, and against all predictions, it looks rather good.

Problem is, not good enough.

- Chrome still leads in the UI organization department -- having the tabs at the top of everything else makes much more sense than having them at content level, and seeing everything over them (address bar, etc.) magically change as you switch from tab to tab. IE loses here, as well as Fx. You CAN make Fx behave like this with an extension, though, giving it extra points over IE.
- IE8 now has tab "grouping" by use of tab coloring. I dunno you people, but I find that feature to be completely useless. Tabs are isolated entities, why the [tornado fang] would I want to group them?
- Included porn mode (i.e. no traces of pages you view while in InPrivate Browsing mode). Chrome has had this since day one, Fx has had this for YEARS (through the use of extensions, admittedly, but Fx wouldn't be a fraction of what it is without the extensions).
- Third-party additions to the browser are even scarcer than before (considering there WERE a couple of addons for IE that were admittedly decent) because the implementation model has changed from IE7, which used the same addon framework as IE6. Some of them work as part of their legacy support, but possibilities of something breaking are higher than those of water being wet.
- Reportedly, it's faster than both Chrome, Fx and Opera. Mind you, these are in-house tests, probably made with pages made to work specifically with all the bullshit IE's rendering engine has done ever since it started. We'll talk when you have a decent userbase, Microsoft.
- Tab processes are isolated from each other, akin to Chrome. This is a step in the right direction; if one tab crashes, it won't take the entire window down with it. Fx will have to rework its development model to adapt to this, because when one of its tabs crashes, since the software is written as a single-process entity, the entire application goes down (all windows of it). One plus point for MS over Fx and Opera.

Can't think of any other stuff right now. When I install it locally and test it out I'll make sure to post any updates and stuff I find.



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Reply #7 on: March 20, 2009, 01:51:15 AM
THANK YOU SO MUCH DZ. XD

Meanwhile, it looks like the jury's out on this one. I guess I'll just watch out for it while working from the ever friendly fox in flames.



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Reply #8 on: March 20, 2009, 02:06:19 AM
I literally can't even get IE to work on my computer anymore. I couldn't care less though, when I used IE it froze up CONSTANTLY. Even with IE7 it would get to a page and then screw up.

The number one thing that I love about Firefox that IE has troubles with is when a page isn't loaded. With Firefox, you can reload the page several times and it will actually reload (that way if some error occurs, you can keep trying until it gets fixed). With IE, I have to close it down EVERY time. Not just the tab, the ENTIRE thing. It just refuses to reload the damn page.

- IE8 now has tab "grouping" by use of tab coloring. I dunno you people, but I find that feature to be completely useless. Tabs are isolated entities, why the [tornado fang] would I want to group them?

Probably for the sake of making sure you know what sites each tab has. Though, I doubt most people have more than 4 tabs open when they're seriously browsing stuff (the only time I've had more than that is when I look up the webcomics I have bookmarked).

- Tab processes are isolated from each other, akin to Chrome. This is a step in the right direction; if one tab crashes, it won't take the entire window down with it. Fx will have to rework its development model to adapt to this, because when one of its tabs crashes, since the software is written as a single-process entity, the entire application goes down (all windows of it). One plus point for MS over Fx and Opera.

The good part about Firefox is (and I don't know about this for Chrome, though I kind of doubt it), whenever it shuts down unexpectedly, it keeps what pages you visited memorized until you manually close them out so that you can just restart Firefox and go back to browsing while closing the tab that screwed you up before it has a chance to load up again.

I haven't tried out Chrome yet, but considering that Firefox does exactly what I want it to do, there's not a huge problem with it.



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Reply #9 on: March 20, 2009, 05:56:02 AM
It doesn't matter.  Soon SkyNet will rule the world!



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Reply #10 on: March 20, 2009, 06:09:43 AM
not before it defeats microshit and google

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Reply #11 on: March 20, 2009, 06:12:44 AM
...Google IS SkyNET!



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Reply #12 on: March 20, 2009, 06:15:18 AM
FFFFFFFFFFFFF

What am I browsing for!!!111!


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Reply #13 on: March 20, 2009, 01:44:17 PM
FFFFFFFFFFFFF

What am I browsing for!!!111!
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THANK YOU! XD

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Reply #14 on: March 20, 2009, 03:59:21 PM
The good part about Firefox is (and I don't know about this for Chrome, though I kind of doubt it), whenever it shuts down unexpectedly, it keeps what pages you visited memorized until you manually close them out so that you can just restart Firefox and go back to browsing while closing the tab that screwed you up before it has a chance to load up again.
Chrome feature since day one. Not only that, it'll also save whatever tabs (and their history too!) you had open at the time of closing the browser window. (A feature I abuse for site- and design-testing purposes like you wouldn't imagine.)



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Reply #15 on: March 20, 2009, 04:11:52 PM
Wait there are browsers which don't automatically do that?


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Reply #16 on: March 21, 2009, 12:00:20 AM
Chrome still leads in the UI organization department -- having the tabs at the top of everything else makes much more sense than having them at content level, and seeing everything over them (address bar, etc.) magically change as you switch from tab to tab. IE loses here, as well as Fx.

I dunno, having the tabs at content level never struck me as odd, it would seem strange to me if they weren't.
I guess it's just a matter of what you're used to.

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Tab processes are isolated from each other, akin to Chrome. This is a step in the right direction; if one tab crashes, it won't take the entire window down with it. Fx will have to rework its development model to adapt to this, because when one of its tabs crashes, since the software is written as a single-process entity, the entire application goes down (all windows of it). One plus point for MS over Fx and Opera.

Funny you should say that, since that's actually one of the biggest things I don't like about Chrome. Having multiple processes running is redundant and chews up resources like crazy. Yeah, it means tabs can crash individually, but that's a pretty long run for a short slide in my book.
Also, Chrome monitors your internet browsing, Orwell style. Do not want.
Not to mention that it doesn't support third part extensions... I like my pimped-out Firefox.

As for IE... yeah. It's IE. 'Nuff said.



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Reply #17 on: March 21, 2009, 02:31:27 AM
The most I can offer is that when IE comes to the usual online standards, its far below par as usual. I'll try and find actual links :P



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Reply #18 on: March 25, 2009, 04:14:53 PM
IE 8 takes up more RAM than Windows XP SP3.

Um... I think Microsoft might just be doing it wrong.




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