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So...

I, among other people, has gotten to a point where we realize that Pokémon is little more than a glorified cockfight for little kids.  Now, I say this with all humor.  It's just a video game, after all.  Right?

Well, PETA is taking things more seriously (http://features.peta.org/pokemon-black-and-white-parody).  X3

Well that's PETA for you. 

I just played through the whole game and they don't even heal the pokemon at all, hypocritical huh?

Also Ash claims to have never cared about Pikachu, which is blatantly false.

(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/64835841/peta3.PNG)

I wonder how much more Nintendo will take before they take action of their own. This is the second franchise attacked by PETA.

This is the second attack, no doubt there will be a third. My bets would be either Zelda for attacking chickens mercilessly or the next in line involves animals.

Peta just does it to get attention because nobody ever pays attention to their stupid shenanigans.

The song for that first bonus video was so gay I stopped playing.

Quote from: Mirby on October 08, 2012, 11:56:24 PM
This is the second franchise attacked by PETA.

What's the first?

The Super Mario franchise. Twice.

The first attack was about how Mario was pelting poor raccoons and some such rubbish.  It was cute and well done and all, but I'm not really sure what PETA was going for, considering Mario wears Tanuki Suits, not raccoon-dog hide.

The second "attack" on the <i>Super Mario</i> franchise was more a backhanded one.  The game was actually about how Kentucky Fried Chicken was so cruel to their chickens, but the gameplay was basically <i>Super Mario Bros.</i>.  Your job was to rescue Pamela Anderson from The Colonel because the Mario Bros. both hurt themselves playing with their Wiis too much. (Incidentally, this game is in our very arcade!  Give it a go.  It's pretty fun.)

Also Tanuki are mythical animals. PETA was attacking Mario to defend a mythical creature.

Quote from: Sakura Leic on October 08, 2012, 11:20:15 PM
Well that's PETA for you. 

I just played through the whole game and they don't even heal the pokemon at all, hypocritical huh?

I was actually curious about that myself. After finishing it, I went and got a game over, which then you are given the option to go to the Pokemon center to heal and continue. I guess that counts?

I haven't played any of the DS Pokemon games, so if this is inaccurate then disregard, however... This PETA game has higher production value than the official games for the portions that were done. That's pretty sad when you think about it. I honestly think Pokemon would be a great casual flash game, if done right. The animation was pretty good in this one, despite the subject matter being a little disturbing.

The structure of the game was actually well thought out. It 'rewarded' you for continuing and winning. The battles also promoted the use of your newly acquired Pokemon through battle advantages, and the battle commands were all pretty useful. If only they put this kind of effort into something less gruesome.

I can't help it, but whenever someone mentions PETA I have to think of this

(http://i.imgur.com/uiCSD.jpg)

Quote from: OBJECTION MAN on October 09, 2012, 03:42:48 AM
If only they put this kind of effort into something less gruesome.

Kinda ironic when an arbok gets chopped in half and later in the specials, gets a bit more brutal later (and not to mention some of the human-looking pokemon, can't forget about those).. yet not in this caliber. And people wanted games based off the specials? Kinda goes to show how far they will go for peta to defend fictional creatures.

I do have to wonder, though, what took them so long to finally get around to attacking Pokémon.

You're not the only one wondering that, Q-chan.  A friend of mine posed the exact same question.  I'm sure several people the net over did the same, as well.  Does kind of make you wonder...

I guess it took a direct sequel (instead of an "expansion pack" or new generation title) to get PETA's attention.  :B

I saw this on Tumblr and all I could think was "AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

Bizarro World Ash's duds aren't too bad, though.


(I have to wonder what Earth-PETA Megaman would look like, now that I'm thinking about PETA again)

Quote from: Gaia on October 09, 2012, 03:55:05 AM
Kinda goes to show how far they will go for peta to defend fictional creatures.

They're not defending fictional characters, but using it to illustrate a point of what the game might imply to young children. That is; The capture, collection, and fighting of animals with an apathetic attitude toward the total dominance and expectation of servitude placed on the captured animals.

It is a valid point, to some degree. I've always thought it was a shaky concept shrugged off by the cute and playful demeanor. Obviously Pokemon isn't reality, and children can determine for the most part reality from fiction if they have anywhere near a decent upbringing, however the sentiment holds true even in small regards.

I was 11 when the first Pokemon was released. I loved the game to death, and rightly so as a well designed communal game me and all of my friends would play. Pokemon certainly earns it's reputation as a classic and a cultural phenomenon. Now, while perhaps mild, it did influence my behavior a little. I did at one time capture and keep a bee as a pet like a 'pokemon'. The action was taken as a direct result of deciding that was the closest thing I'll get to having a pokemon in reality. It never went above an insect, certainly not like I was trapping mammals in the wild, or fighting dogs, but the sentiment was there never the less. I captured this insect against it's will, and held it captive in a container hoping to emulate what I saw in the game. The capture likely lead to it's death, and surely stripped it of it's freedom. It is exactly the point the PETA game is trying to make.

And that was a way more serious post than I thought it was going to be...

You know, PETA really does have a point.  In the very first game, "Red" beats "Blue's" Raticate so hard in one battle that it dies, after all!  Then again, how did it die, exactly?  I thought Pokémon Centers were miracle cure-alls?  Did Blue's Raticate have a terminal illness or something?

Mysteries abound in the world of Pocket Monsters...  x:

I think I'll leave these here as a counter argument.

http://blackadventurescomic.com/2012/08/12/episode-24-part-24/
http://blackadventurescomic.com/2012/08/12/episode-24-part-25/
http://blackadventurescomic.com/2012/08/12/episode-24-part-26/

http://matsu-sensei.deviantart.com/art/What-have-I-become-331432553

Crying forever, BRB.
(Alternately: "That awkward moment when you realize just how absurdly out of character you're acting.")

Quote from: OBJECTION MAN on October 09, 2012, 02:59:43 PM
I was 11 when the first Pokemon was released. I loved the game to death, and rightly so as a well designed communal game me and all of my friends would play. Pokemon certainly earns it's reputation as a classic and a cultural phenomenon. Now, while perhaps mild, it did influence my behavior a little. I did at one time capture and keep a bee as a pet like a 'pokemon'. The action was taken as a direct result of deciding that was the closest thing I'll get to having a pokemon in reality. It never went above an insect, certainly not like I was trapping mammals in the wild, or fighting dogs, but the sentiment was there never the less. I captured this insect against it's will, and held it captive in a container hoping to emulate what I saw in the game. The capture likely lead to it's death, and surely stripped it of it's freedom. It is exactly the point the PETA game is trying to make.

And that was a way more serious post than I thought it was going to be...

Dude, I was doing that to fireflies and brine shrimp LONG before Pokemon came out...  Every kid thinks it's fun to keep animals without regard to how the hell to care for them; the cultural phenomenon called "pets" is what introduces that idea.

Quote from: Mirby on October 09, 2012, 02:57:53 AM
Also Tanuki are mythical animals. PETA was attacking Mario to defend a mythical creature.

Nope. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_raccoon_dog)  Tanuki are real, tanuki demons are mythical.  Like foxes.

Quote from: Joseph Collins on October 09, 2012, 10:25:16 PM
http://matsu-sensei.deviantart.com/art/What-have-I-become-331432553

Crying forever, BRB.
(Alternately: "That awkward moment when you realize just how absurdly out of character you're acting.")

FEELS  ;^;

Quote from: Hypershell on October 10, 2012, 03:04:09 AM
Nope. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_raccoon_dog)  Tanuki are real, tanuki demons are mythical.  Like foxes.

Which has the massive scrotums?

Quote from: OBJECTION MAN on October 09, 2012, 02:59:43 PM
I did at one time capture and keep a bee as a pet like a 'pokemon'. The action was taken as a direct result of deciding that was the closest thing I'll get to having a pokemon in reality. It never went above an insect, certainly not like I was trapping mammals in the wild, or fighting dogs, but the sentiment was there never the less. I captured this insect against it's will, and held it captive in a container hoping to emulate what I saw in the game. The capture likely lead to it's death, and surely stripped it of it's freedom.

Quote from: Hypershell on October 10, 2012, 03:04:09 AM
Dude, I was doing that to fireflies and brine shrimp LONG before Pokemon came out...  Every kid thinks it's fun to keep animals without regard to how the hell to care for them; the cultural phenomenon called "pets" is what introduces that idea.

When I was a kid I took my hamster, Harvey, and I flipped him like a pancake on one of those Lego bases. You know, the big flat things with no female parts on the bottom and male parts all over the top.

You guys do know behavior of this sort is considered a telltale sign of a sociopath? I have no idea if that's true or not, though.

Quote from: Hypershell on October 10, 2012, 03:04:09 AM
Nope. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_raccoon_dog)  Tanuki are real, tanuki demons are mythical.  Like foxes.

Damn it I want one so bad. I want it to be buddies with a fox. You know, raise them as pups together.

Quote from: Mirby on October 10, 2012, 06:27:57 AM
FEELS  ;^;Which has the massive scrotums?

Bats. I've seen it in pictures. Boy, that post is funny in an entirely different way when it doesn't put the line break in. I swear, it quoted like that.

Yet you put it in your sig anyways.

Honestly, I'm a bit offended because of how it looks. But whatever.

Try quoting it. Did you put your open quote tag right after the emote? That's the only answer I can think of.

And your point is? I know how forums work.

Doesn't make me any less offended.

You are very easily offended. You should get offended at how Pocket Dudes promotes animal cruelty.

Lady and gentleman, please!  We're not here to discuss raccoon bullocks.  We're here to discuss PETA's generally shameful approach to pop culture!  :D

Despite the messages their games attempt to convey, I think PETA's games are pretty fun to play.  A lot of high quality work goes into these games, for whatever reason!  It's pretty wild that so much love could go into so much hate.  XD

Quote from: OBJECTION MAN on October 09, 2012, 02:59:43 PM
They're not defending fictional characters, but using it to illustrate a point of what the game might imply to young children. That is; The capture, collection, and fighting of animals with an apathetic attitude toward the total dominance and expectation of servitude placed on the captured animals.

It is a valid point, to some degree. I've always thought it was a shaky concept shrugged off by the cute and playful demeanor. Obviously Pokemon isn't reality, and children can determine for the most part reality from fiction if they have anywhere near a decent upbringing, however the sentiment holds true even in small regards.

I was 11 when the first Pokemon was released. I loved the game to death, and rightly so as a well designed communal game me and all of my friends would play. Pokemon certainly earns it's reputation as a classic and a cultural phenomenon. Now, while perhaps mild, it did influence my behavior a little. I did at one time capture and keep a bee as a pet like a 'pokemon'. The action was taken as a direct result of deciding that was the closest thing I'll get to having a pokemon in reality. It never went above an insect, certainly not like I was trapping mammals in the wild, or fighting dogs, but the sentiment was there never the less. I captured this insect against it's will, and held it captive in a container hoping to emulate what I saw in the game. The capture likely lead to it's death, and surely stripped it of it's freedom. It is exactly the point the PETA game is trying to make.

And that was a way more serious post than I thought it was going to be...

And given how PETA actively kills animals, they have no moral authority whatsoever.

Just because someone, or a group of people, are complete and total hypocrites does not invalidate a point they happen to vocalize.

Points are invalidated by being actually invalid.

Invalid, eh?

How about the fact that this game only focuses on the battle aspect of the games and completely neglects the fact that the games teach respect for creatures of all sizes, and their other claims to what the games teach are completely false and are completely, well, invalid.



also what this guy says

Well, let's be honest here.

Do you play Pocket Monsters to walk around and talk to random people all day, hear stories, and get nothing productive done?
Or do you play Pocket Monsters to lay the smack-down on and pwn some n00bs with your getting-stronger-by-the-battle monsters?

i don't play pocket monsters at all

i play the english versions you dope

Really, Assemu?  You're going to quibble localizations?

It's the same.  [tornado fang]ing.  Game.  No matter what you call it.

Quote from: Joseph Collins on October 12, 2012, 03:00:42 AM
Really, Assemu?  You're going to quibble localizations?

It's the same.  [tornado fang]ing.  Game.  No matter what you call it.

Man.

MAAAAN.

You SO fell for it.

That black guy in that YouTube video pronounces Pokemon like my stupid [tornado fang]ing friend does: Pokeymon. What the [tornado fang]. This friend of mine, he's obsessed with Pocket Dudes, but he can't even say the name. It's like if I said Meja Men or some [parasitic bomb].

Quote from: OBJECTION MAN on October 11, 2012, 08:52:41 PM
Just because someone, or a group of people, are complete and total hypocrites does not invalidate a point they happen to vocalize.

No, it just undermines the credibility of said point.

PETA's argument is base on the premise that all people, especially children, are idiots. Pokemon as been around for over fifteen years and there has not been a noticeable spike in dog/cockfighting as far as I know and that activity is illegal in many countries anyway. Some people are just immoral [dark hold] anyway. As for insects, who cares? I seriously doubt they even have a concept of freedom and nature is a cruel mistress anyway. We humans tend project our morals on creatures that are amoral; we call it, "anthropomorphism."

Maybe PETA should focus on convincing that praying mantis not to eat that poor grasshopper if insects are truly moral agents.

I never said I fully endorse their points or support them.

I'm saying people on a whole tend to confuse the legitimacy of what people say, based on the person(s) saying it, and not the actual message itself.

As far as the PETA thing itself; they have a mild point, in where it may foster the idea, but any upstanding human begin would surely see through it quickly. Dark people will do dark things if Pokemon exists or not. In fact, animal abusers would probably never play Pokemon cause its 'about stupid cute animals that I don't like'.

I captured a bee, but I thought, the bee must hate that. I'd hate being in a completely bare room all day. It'd be boring. So I never held an animal in confinement after that. This is the reason I don't buy fish as pets.

Quote from: OBJECTION MAN on October 12, 2012, 05:13:41 PM
This is the reason I don't buy fish as pets.

Aww but you can buy them Bikini Bottom landmarks for your fish tank at WalMart

I refuse to keep a betta in one of those tiny little bowls.  I make sure that the betta has at least a two-gallon tank with a good filter and air-stone, and the company of an algae-eater and at least two neon tetras.  I find that the betta is more active and overall appears happier.  He is non-aggressive, rarely displays his fins (displaying is aggression and stress), and coexists with the other fish in the tank.  Every now and then, they may chase each other, but that's about it.  They feed together, swim together, and the betta lives a longer and happier life.  I've hand-fed bettas before.  They are peaceful and even social fish, as long as that betta is the only betta in the tank.

As for insects... They need more respect.  Bugs are peoples too!

And as for PETA...  I showed my brother the Pokémon game.  He played it and commented that the message seemed to be lost in the game.  It was muddled by gameplay and graphics, and really corny dialogue.  Then, he played Super Tofu Boy and beat that game and said that it makes him want to be a carnivore, so PETA's message backfired.

Animals have the right to be delicious and in my belly.

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