Everyone knows what happens at the end of Rockman Zero 4 and that itself provoked many theories to try to prove Zero's survival bringing up others who without question stand by the rather obvious answer. Some people even suggest the idea of a Rockman Zero 5 (wth?). I'm wondering...looking at every evidence provided by Capcom (including 'RMZ Complete Works' and such sources) I am still not sure. Could anyone tell me their thoughts on the subject?
Doubtful there'll be a Zero 5, but if they did, I wouldn't be too surprised. It's freakin' Zero, the guy refuses to die, even if he committed suicide.
If they make a Rockman Zero 5 they kill Zero's legacy that's so wrong. D:
(at the same time they don't make it Zero doesn't necessarily have to die).
Into works a weeny bit faster than Capcom. If there was a Zero 5 we would have played it by now.
And goddamnit he's [tornado fang]ing dust.
There is a Zero 5. its called Megaman ZX.
That could well enough be the answer but it happens at least 200 years after Zero 4.
What happens in that gap could be used for Rockman Zero 5 or just not used at all (like right now -_-.
Ciel makes Biometals. Takes her 199 years.
ZX starts.
Quote from: Acid on November 15, 2008, 01:35:50 AM
Ciel makes Biometals. Takes her 199 years.
ZX starts.
I think her being as smart as she is (she created Copy X at 9 and the Ceil System at 15) it did not take her 199 years to make LiveMetals X,Z,H,L,F, and P xD
Let's just sit down, chant and summon Zan. Maybe he'll hear our plea and enlighten us with his neverending knowledge.
Quote from: Acid on November 15, 2008, 01:44:44 AM
Let's just sit down, chant and summon Zan. Maybe he'll hear our plea and enlighten us with his neverending knowledge.
^This.
Quote from: Acid on November 15, 2008, 01:44:44 AM
Let's just sit down, chant and summon Zan. Maybe he'll hear our plea and enlighten us with his neverending knowledge.
I'll take care of the smoke signals.
Quote from: Acid on November 15, 2008, 01:44:44 AM
Let's just sit down, chant and summon Zan. Maybe he'll hear our plea and enlighten us with his neverending knowledge.
Quoted, and Sigged for great Justice and F*cking Win.
...might as well help. *joins Mr.DominicanZero in making smoke signals*
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5381/1222319078222nz0.jpg)
Even if they he did somehow come back for Zero 5, he'd have to die at the end of that to set things up for ZX. Better to not expend the effort.
Quote from: Tickle Buffalo on November 15, 2008, 06:17:01 AM
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5381/1222319078222nz0.jpg)
Even if they he did somehow come back for Zero 5, he'd have to die at the end of that to set things up for ZX. Better to not expend the effort.
Why is that? In Rockman ZX there isn't any mention of his 'death' (that I know of at least). Please, enlighten me = )
Also I don't believe there will be a RMZ5 unless the fans demand it, and so far not many requests...[they all accept his death]
Let's say there shall not be a RMZ5, Zero is still alive and it wouldn't make a difference.
Er...
MegaMan ZX = MegaMan Zero 5, for all intents and purposes.
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 07:01:08 AM
Why is that? In Rockman ZX there isn't any mention of his 'death' (that I know of at least). Please, enlighten me = )
Well, yeah, I guess it is possible that he's still alive in ZX. Just sitting around doing nothing. Because, y'know, that's reasonable. And in character. And the live metals have nothing to do with the people they're based off, they just have the same personalities/voices/memories because Ciel made them like that. Yeah.
I think I'm gonna keep believing he died at the end of Zero 4, thanks.
Aye, thanks for the discussion. ^_^
Posted on: November 15, 2008, 07:35:06
Wow...........
Posted on: November 15, 2008, 07:51:16
[objection!]
Whats that? I hear a KA-BAN!
Honestly do people actually buy this just because they see this crap advertisement in a random forum. Pathetic way to get customers if you ask me... <.<
Quote from: Acid on November 15, 2008, 01:44:44 AM
Let's just sit down, chant and summon Zan. Maybe he'll hear our plea and enlighten us with his neverending knowledge.
You don't need my help to figure out what happened to Zero, cause if you do, you're either stupid or not paying enough attention.
Now, the "why" is far more interesting; Wily isn't around anymore, he got taken care of after X6 in that one unreleased game.
Quote from: Zan on November 15, 2008, 09:30:13 AM
You don't need my help to figure out what happened to Zero, cause if you do, you're either stupid or not paying enough attention.
I'm just too lazy. And since you're usually around...
Anyway, yaya2000something is gone.
Just to spell it out, Zero's body got destroyed Ragnarok's explosion and atmospheric re-entry, he died. X wasn't around to bail him out from orbit like in Z1, Wily got taken care of back in the X-series, so Zero isn't reviving and Mother Elf is doing whatever she pleases. Later, Ciel creates Biometal Model Z using the soul of Zero, but that was only made possible thanks to her study of Biometal Model V, reviving Zero is like reviving X, a highly difficult thing.
Summarizing, he died and became a morphing device.
Neither one of us is right.
The legendary Reploid who fought valiantly and was known as a hero during the Maverick Wars. Though the soul is indeed that of Zero, the body that Ceil found him in was a copy of the original. Zero's original body, which had caused much damage during the Elf Wars, had been sent into space, and is now known as Omega. But Zero's new body, showing at least as much if not more potential than the last, has saved the world twice over from the evil intentions of Omega and Weil, the man controlling him. Zero was last seen in space. His current whereabouts unknown. Quote from Rockman Zero Complete Works page 24.
I am betting that not even Capcom knows what happened to Zero afterward (they're too lazy to come up with something). The last two sentences from the quote above basically has Capcom saying that no one knows for a fact what happened to Zero. Also this may be used to spark new theories by fans. The truth is that Capcom still is waiting to see if they are going to make a RMZ5 (if there are enough fan demands on it) or just keep it a mystery to further Zero's legacy.
Also according to this...
????: Biometal Report Classification #555913 * Chosen One * This message is
intended for the chosen one who will someday find the Biometal I have created.
In order to fight against Model W, which has been causing the Maverick
outbreaks, I have constructed Model X and Model Z with the data I have obtained
on ancient heroes. There is still so much I don't understand... And I was forced
to use the research on Model W as a basis for constructing the other two models.
In other words, the ones with the potential to use Model X and Z, are the same
one with the potential to unleash Model W. As a chosen one, you have the power
to save or destroy the world. I can only hope you use the power for good and
that you will decide to guide the people to a bright future. Quote from Rockman ZX
...what you say about Model Z containing Zero's soul (lack of a better word) is wrong.
Personal opinion: I never said Zero survived by being saved by someone (ex. Mother Elf, X, etc). He would have survived all by himself (beside the point so excuse that last statement).
Zero is dead.
That's it.
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 08:31:24 PM
The truth is that Capcom still is waiting to see if they are going to make a RMZ5 (if there are enough fan demands on it) or just keep it a mystery to further Zero's legacy.
Zero is on a space station.
Space station explodes.
Zero isn't seen anymore.
HOW IS THIS MYSTERIOUS. HOW.
QuoteQuote from Rockman ZX
I coulda sworn the text in Rockman ZX was in Japanese...
Quote from: Tickle Buffalo on November 15, 2008, 08:38:22 PM
Zero is on a space station.
Space station explodes.
Zero isn't seen anymore.
HOW IS THIS MYSTERIOUS. HOW.
I coulda sworn the text in Rockman ZX was in Japanese...
That's just it....Zero isn't seen anymore. No one (in the series or records) said he was destroyed.
I took that quote from the English version.
Zero had to die to become a biometal. Inti decided "Let's end him with a blast!"
And it happened.
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 08:31:24 PMI have constructed Model X and Model Z with the data I have obtained
on ancient heroes.
...what you say about Model Z containing Zero's soul (lack of a better word) is wrong.
A reploids data and his soul are pretty much two terms for the same thing, as I understood Cyberspace..
Quote from: Acid on November 15, 2008, 08:43:08 PM
Zero had to die to become a biometal. Inti decided "Let's end him with a blast!"
And it happened.
I am telling you. That is very possible. But I'm looking for answers backed up by solid proof. Ceil (I said this in my last game-quoting reply) made Models X, Z, H, L, F, and P using DATA on the ancient heroes. She used the data she already had on Zero. Whether Zero died or survived it did not affect this fact.
Quote from: Align on November 15, 2008, 08:45:05 PM
A reploids data and his soul are pretty much two terms for the same thing, as I understood Cyberspace..
I meant data as in information on Zero. You mean it as a soul.
If such a thing were true don't you think that Ceil would have said it differently (like maybe Zero or Zero's cyber elf)? If the soul of Zero WAS used then I wonder where Ceil got X's soul (cyber elf) along with the guardians.
People also believed Zero killed Rock and Co, because apparently the was no proof that suggested otheerwise.
Zero died during Ragnarok.
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 08:41:04 PM
That's just it....Zero isn't seen anymore. No one (in the series or records) said he was destroyed.
So do you want like a little message after you complete the game saying "Yes, Zero really died, don't talk to us about it", or what? Would like the planet exploding be good enough, or do you still think he could live through that too? Maybe the galaxy?
However... I doubt that we get the answer from the games itself. Even Rockman Zero 4 hasn´t explained why the three Guardians were missing in this game. It´s more likely, that we will need to ask Inafune again. The only thing what we see from Zero in the last picture is his helmet, but would he have been disintigrated by entering the atmosphere, there won´t be nothing left.
In my opinium, is Zero still alive, but it would contradict with the ZX Series, since the latest news of our Red Slasher, is his fight on Ragnarok against Weil, according to Prairie.
Quote from: Acid on November 15, 2008, 08:53:17 PM
People also believed Zero killed Rock and Co, because apparently the was no proof that suggested otheerwise.
Zero died during Ragnarok.
Dude....where are you taking us? There isn't any proof that Zero did not kill Rock & Co...however there isn't any proof that he DID!!! Stay on the subject please and again you assert your stand point without solid evidence.
Quote from: Tickle Buffalo on November 15, 2008, 08:53:54 PM
So do you want like a little message after you complete the game saying "Yes, Zero really died, don't talk to us about it", or what? Would like the planet exploding be good enough, or do you still think he could live through that too? Maybe the galaxy?
Your sarcasm amuses me...
Quote from: Thanatos-Zero on November 15, 2008, 08:54:31 PM
However... I doubt that we get the answer from the games itself. Even Rockman Zero 4 hasn´t explained why the three Guardians were missing in this game. It´s more likely, that we will need to ask Inafune again. The only thing what we see from Zero in the last picture is his helmet, but would he have been disintigrated by entering the atmosphere, there won´t be nothing left.
In my opinium, is Zero still alive, but it would contradict with the ZX Series, since the latest news of our Red Slasher, is his fight on Ragnarok against Weil, according to Prairie.
According to Prairie...her latest news on him was his fight against Ragnarok...that she knows of...
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 08:57:35 PM
Your sarcasm amuses me...
No seriously what would it take? Apparently him vanishing in a giant explosion isn't good enough, what would be?
Him vanishing in an explosion...that happened in Rockman Zero 1 after he destroyed Copy X 2nd form!!!!! ^^
You totally do not get what I'm saying.
But I don't care. Keep your dreams.
One thing I want to bring up: It's Zero, and it's Capcom. Known for really bad ret-conning (seriously, Zero's ending in X6 makes his beginning in X7 impossible), they can come up with something.
Here's my theory on the whole subject: Zero lived through the re-entry, but was pretty much going to die from being so weak. Ciel did what she did with Copy X, except take the actual soul instead of making it, and put it into a device. Did the same with X, and then eventually the Big Four (maybe even using Phantom as a trail run since his soul was still out and about. Thus we have no Zero in ZX except in Biometal form, and why we have the Biometal's in ZX.
Cyberspace was accessible because a rift was caused by the appearance of Omega. X in RMZ3 went to cyberspace because he was running outta power and "could not stay in this world any longer." The only soul (cyber elf) Ceil could possibly get her hands on was Zero's when and if his body was destroyed...
I won't discuss the rest cuz I don't want to [acid burst] you off....(check Acid's reply) -.-
QuoteDude....where are you taking us? There isn't any proof that Zero did not kill Rock & Co...however there isn't any proof that he DID!!! Stay on the subject please and again you assert your stand point without solid evidence.
Except Inafune stated himself that Zero did not kill the Classic gang.
About the Live Metals, I'm pretty sure it was discussed here before the crash that the 'data' inside the models are heroes' souls, if not Cyber-Elves in a jar. Zan probably knows.
No. They're not making Zero 5.
Quote from: Ballade on November 15, 2008, 09:05:47 PM
One thing I want to bring up: It's Zero, and it's Capcom. Known for really bad ret-conning (seriously, Zero's ending in X6 makes his beginning in X7 impossible), they can come up with something.
Here's my theory on the whole subject: Zero lived through the re-entry, but was pretty much going to die from being so weak. Ciel did what she did with Copy X, except take the actual soul instead of making it, and put it into a device. Did the same with X, and then eventually the Big Four (maybe even using Phantom as a trail run since his soul was still out and about. Thus we have no Zero in ZX except in Biometal form, and why we have the Biometal's in ZX.
Ciel created the LiveMetals many years after the Ragnarok incident. Zero was dead, the Big Four were dead, Phantom was dead for crying out loud and X is pretty much a ghost in Cyberspace as well (read: dead). They were all deceased heroes.
Quote from: Ballade on November 15, 2008, 09:05:47 PM
One thing I want to bring up: It's Zero, and it's Capcom. Known for really bad ret-conning (seriously, Zero's ending in X6 makes his beginning in X7 impossible), they can come up with something.
That ending doesn't need to happen inmediately, besides are you going to tell me all of the many multiple endings of any game are gonna be canon? Sure, nothing contradicts it but that doesn't mean it happened.
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 08:57:35 PM
Dude....where are you taking us? There isn't any proof that Zero did not kill Rock & Co.
Yes, there is proof, it is the word of god (that's the term used so don't say anything >_>) AKA Inafune.
Anyways, Zero is dead, he's dust now. If he was still alive there would at least be SOME mention of it and we would know by now with all of the sourcebooks. Also, there's no way his destroyed helmet along the pieces of Ragnarok is a symbolic way to say "he's death", yep, definitely no way.
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I won't discuss the rest cuz I don't want to [acid burst] you off....(check Acid's reply) -.-
Oh don't worry, he's like that.
Quote from: RMX on November 15, 2008, 09:15:29 PM
Ciel created the LiveMetals many years after the Ragnarok incident. Zero was dead, the Big Four were dead, Phantom was dead for crying out loud and X is pretty much a ghost in Cyberspace as well (read: dead). They were all deceased heroes.
I know, I'm just saying Zero didn't die IMMEDIATELY or DIRECTLY. More like, getting shot, and not dieing from the bullet piercing a vital organ but from blood-loss. At some point, the remaining Big 4 three croaked and Ciel made everyone happy little biometals.
Quote from: Taiyo on November 15, 2008, 09:17:04 PM
That ending doesn't need to happen inmediately, besides are you going to tell me all of the many multiple endings of any game are gonna be canon? Sure, nothing contradicts it but that doesn't mean it happened.
No, but if you think about it, Capcom can say "OMG HE'S ALIVE!" and everyone can just groan because they know a [parasitic bomb]-storm's gonna happen with the plot moreso at that point (and I mean "OMG HE'S ALIVE" as in past ZX).
I'm still mad that that some point was a generic boss explosion >_>
Quote from: RMX on November 15, 2008, 09:15:29 PM
Except Inafune stated himself that Zero did not kill the Classic gang.
About the Live Metals, I'm pretty sure it was discussed here before the crash that the 'data' inside the models are heroes' souls, if not Cyber-Elves in a jar. Zan probably knows.
No. They're not making Zero 5.
Ciel created the LiveMetals many years after the Ragnarok incident. Zero was dead, the Big Four were dead, Phantom was dead for crying out loud and X is pretty much a ghost in Cyberspace as well (read: dead). They were all deceased heroes.
I'll be open minded on this...I ask: If they were all in cyberspace, how did Ceil obtain them for making the Models?
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 09:22:03 PM
I'll be open minded on this...I ask: If they were all in cyberspace, how did Ceil obtain them for making the Models?
Just like Weil.
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 09:00:58 PM
Him vanishing in an explosion...that happened in Rockman Zero 1 after he destroyed Copy X 2nd form!!!!! ^^
Yeah except he showed up in the very next scene in Zero 1. You'd think he'd actually contact Ciel if he was still alive, y'know? She seems like she'd appreciate it. But, well, maybe he was busy doing nothing for the next 200 years, like you seem to think. Or maybe he'll do something in Zero 5, if the fans want it. How exactly do you think the fans are going to express their want, by the way?
Also you didn't answer my question.
You know it makes me kinda sick that our beloved Zero should be death. Why don´t he just arise and kicks asses like nothing happened. I want to see that Thomas completely destroyed by Zero´s very own hands. "The world needs to be reset!", I cannot stand out this douchebag. Seriously...
Quote from: Tickle Buffalo on November 15, 2008, 09:24:07 PM
Yeah except he showed up in the very next scene in Zero 1. You'd think he'd actually contact Ciel if he was still alive, y'know? She seems like she'd appreciate it. But, well, maybe he was busy doing nothing for the next 200 years, like you seem to think. Or maybe he'll do something in Zero 5, if the fans want it. How exactly do you think the fans are going to express their want, by the way?
I'm not Capcom...I wouldn't know how they would. At the beginning of RMZ2 he fought alone until he found Ceil again. And I never said he was alive for the next 200 years...just that he survived Ragnarok. Also no record of After RMZ4 is provided (not including the ones when Ceil makes a data disk explaining what she did with the Live Metals, which never even MENTIONED Zero.).
Quote from: Thanatos-Zero on November 15, 2008, 09:26:16 PM
You know it makes me kinda sick that our beloved Zero should be death. Why don´t he just arise and kicks asses like nothing happened. I want to see that Thomas completely destroyed by Zero´s very own hands. "The world needs to be reset!", I cannot stand out this douchebag. Seriously...
Well we can't all have what we want...however the way Thomas is asking for it he'll get taken down eventually.
Very well, here's the undeniable proof Zero's dead. He finally found the answer to his most urgent question and thus he saw no reason to continue living. Are you ready? It's a shock.
Pregnant women and people with weak hearts better leave RPm now... OK? There:
[spoiler]
(http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1593/reasoooooooooooooonlv6.jpg)
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Quote from: Acid on November 15, 2008, 09:32:08 PM
Very well, here's the undeniable proof Zero's dead. He finally found the answer to his most urgent question and thus he saw no reason to continue living. Are you ready? It's a shock.
Pregnant women and people with weak hearts better leave RPm now... OK? There:
[spoiler](http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1593/reasoooooooooooooonlv6.jpg)
[/spoiler]
O:
Zeors alive he pretty cool he kills marvericks and doesn't afraid of anything
Quote from: Kyouya Garyuu on November 15, 2008, 09:35:25 PM
O:
Then what was he doing fighting in RMZ? His memory was damaged (sorry if you're joking and I take this too serious - -")
Quote from: Acid on November 15, 2008, 09:32:08 PM
Very well, here's the undeniable proof Zero's dead. He finally found the answer to his most urgent question and thus he saw no reason to continue living. Are you ready? It's a shock.
Pregnant women and people with weak hearts better leave RPm now... OK? There:
[spoiler](http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/1593/reasoooooooooooooonlv6.jpg)
[/spoiler]
::) Well, I know that Zero is the guy, who throws his life away to rescue world and friends, but this implies not his death beyond any symbols. Of course, if Inafune want it, then I will accept it.
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 09:29:59 PM
And I never said he was alive for the next 200 years...just that he survived Ragnarok.
What the hell happened to him, then? I mean, if he can survive having a space station explode around him, what on earth would be capable of killing him? He'd need to headbutt a nuke, or something. Multiple nukes even.
Quote from: Tickle Buffalo on November 15, 2008, 09:46:35 PMif he can survive having a space station explode around him, what on earth would be capable of killing him?
If I had to make an educated guess... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-796010696798337572&hl=pt-BR)
EDIT: fix'd.
Quote from: Rodrigo Shin on November 15, 2008, 09:52:29 PM
If I had to make an educated guess... (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-796010696798337572&hl=pt-BR)
EDIT: fix'd.
Dude, too far <.<
Quote from: Taiyo on November 15, 2008, 09:17:04 PM
Yes, there is proof, it is the word of god (that's the term used so don't say anything >_>) AKA Inafune.
the word of god indeed.
(http://oekaki.rockmanpm.com/pictures/rpm401.png)
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 08:51:45 PMI meant data as in information on Zero. You mean it as a soul.
If such a thing were true don't you think that Ceil would have said it differently (like maybe Zero or Zero's cyber elf)? If the soul of Zero WAS used then I wonder where Ceil got X's soul (cyber elf) along with the guardians.
From the abyss? If it was just data about them, rather than their data, the biometals would be little more than futuristic file cabinets.
I just wanted to say that a lot of topics being made lately involving Zero are absolutely ridiculously stupid. I just thought I'd point that out, even though I know people are gonna flip out at me. Whatever, it's just the truth.
Also, I fail to see a "big mystery" when it comes to the end of Z4. It's just a case of people not wanting to accept things as they are, plain and simple.
Quote from: MassKiller1 on November 15, 2008, 08:31:24 PM
I am betting that not even Capcom knows what happened to Zero afterward (they're too lazy to come up with something). The last two sentences from the quote above basically has Capcom saying that no one knows for a fact what happened to Zero. Also this may be used to spark new theories by fans. The truth is that Capcom still is waiting to see if they are going to make a RMZ5 (if there are enough fan demands on it) or just keep it a mystery to further Zero's legacy.
I believe by the time OCW hit the Japanese market, ZX wasn't even out yet. And even if it were, the book makes no referencing whatsoever about the series. Because the book by itself is only about Rockman ZERO. Of course they wouldn't mention what exactly happened to Zero because with the end of ZERO4, no one really knew, almost little to everything spoke for his death.
Quote...what you say about Model Z containing Zero's soul (lack of a better word) is wrong.
Cyberspace is the plane in which data of every being is stored. From Cyberspace, the real world can be manipulated, as demonstrated by Cyberelves. Souls of dead Repliroids go to Cyberspace and can become Cyberelves or, in Phantom's case, can become ghosts who wander around Cyberspace. The point is, Repliroid souls are still data. Model Z houses Zero's soul or at least part of it, because it has Zero's data. The Live Metals are still aware of their pasts, but they do not remember how they came to be I recall. The Live Metals of the Big4 for example still adress Model X as Model-X-sama in the Japanese version.
Quote from: Fxeni on November 15, 2008, 10:07:02 PM
Also, I fail to see a "big mystery" when it comes to the end of Z4. It's just a case of people not wanting to accept things as they are, plain and simple.
Thanks for putting it into a single sentence.
Indeed
As I said:
QuoteAlso, there's no way his destroyed helmet along the pieces of Ragnarok is a symbolic way to say "he's death", yep, definitely no way.
Not to mention the credits of ZERO4. Unlike the previous games, it didn't just say Thanks for Playing, but instead they [Inti] thank Capcom and the player.
Quote from: Saber on November 15, 2008, 10:07:51 PMCyberspace is the plane in which data of every being is stored. From Cyberspace, the real world can be manipulated, as demonstrated by Cyberelves. Souls of dead Repliroids go to Cyberspace and can become Cyberelves or, in Phantom's case, can become ghosts who wander around Cyberspace. The point is, Repliroid souls are still data.
If I think about, the Cyberspace is much like the Lifestream of FF7, and if we take the strong will into acount, then X, Zero and the Four Guardians are much like Sephiroth. Sephiroth´s strong will prevented to be merged with the Lifestream, so it the same with the others, but now, back to topic.
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...what you say about Model Z containing Zero's soul (lack of a better word) is wrong.
Prairie: A long time ago, the world of humans and machines was saved by a group of legends. Biometal are fragments containing the consciousness of those legendary heroes. There might be some hint regarding the Maverick outbreaks in the data stored at the lab. Fleuve's personal laboratory is right next to the Transerver room. Take the Biometal data there for analysis. I'll be here analyzing the computer chip that you brought back.
Prairie: Yes, the soul of that man contained in a fragment of Ragnarok. That's Model W. Sis recognized its existance and set about to create something capable of fighting the threat. She used her research to create Biometal with the powers of legendary heroes from an age long ago.
Model P: It is our destiny across the ages to protect the world of Man. Let us once again become humanity's blade for striking down evil.
Model H: Hmph. Those humans we fought so hard to protect hundreds of years ago have been lulled into a false sense of security by the empty promise of peace. But I still believe our fight had meaning. So, young hero, yes I will lend you my strenght. Serpent has seperated my data into two halves. There is another Pseudoroid with the other part. If you can defeat it, I will be able to give you my password.
Model L: I am the Biometal of the Ice, Model L. Thank you for freeing me from that awful body. You're looking for the rest of the disk right? I'm sorry, but it has already been taken somewhere. A hundred years have passed since the war, but it looks like some things will never change.
Vent: A man named Serpent is attempting to reawaken Model W. To stop him, I need your help and the password.
Model L: Hmm... Model Z, I heard the story about Serpent. I know you were linked with a host body, but I heard he beat you in combat.
Model Z: Yes... My failure led to the death of a good man named Giro.
Model L: I see... Alright, I'll join you. It should be an interesting challenge to take on the one who bested the great Model Z. I'll give you my password, but the data is split into two halves. The other Pseudoroid with my power has the remaining half. I won't be able to give you the complete password until you defeat him.
Then there's the additional statement in the ZX guide that Livemetals have Cyber Elf-like abilities.
QuoteOne thing I want to bring up: It's Zero, and it's Capcom. Known for really bad ret-conning (seriously, Zero's ending in X6 makes his beginning in X7 impossible), they can come up with something.
Not a retcon, X6's Zero ending was never meant to take place directly after X6. In fact, if it did, it'd be in contradiction with X's ending. X7, X8 and XCM simply take place before Zero's X6 ending but after X's X6 ending.
QuoteHere's my theory on the whole subject: Zero lived through the re-entry,
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I know, I'm just saying Zero didn't die IMMEDIATELY or DIRECTLY. More like, getting shot, and not dieing from the bullet piercing a vital organ but from blood-loss. At some point, the remaining Big 4 three croaked and Ciel made everyone happy little biometals.
You know, even if you can survive atmospheric re-entry, hitting the ground at terminal velocity will kill you.
As for the Big4.
Why were the Four Guardians excluded from Zero 4?
AIZU: A lot of people ask that question, but the reason is simply because they all died at the end of Zero 3, shielding Zero from the big explosion.
HONDA: But for some reason they still show up in the booklet for the soundtrack.
AIZU: That was just Nakayama being generous with his drawings. (laughs) In the booklet of the fourth Zero sountrack, there is an illustration of X standing on a tower with beams coming from the Four Guardians... I didn't ask Nakayama to draw it, though. He kind of already had it drawn. (laughs) Tell us, Nakayama! What point in the timeline is that image from?
NAKAYAMA: I'm not sure... when could it be?
AIZU: The timeframe and events of the illustration were a little fuzzy, so we just kind of threw it in there. (laughs)
QuoteAt the beginning of RMZ2 he fought alone until he found Ceil again.
With ZERO1 to ZERO2, Zero was separated from the resistance because he landed in the desert after atmospheric re-entry with X's assistance (which still knocked him unconscious) and the Resistance was subsequently attacked by Neo Arcadia and forced to flee and establish a new base. As of ZERO4, he does not have that issue.
QuoteAnd I never said he was alive for the next 200 years...just that he survived Ragnarok.
Way to ruin Zero's epic finale.
QuoteCyberspace was accessible because a rift was caused by the appearance of Omega. X in RMZ3 went to cyberspace because he was running outta power and "could not stay in this world any longer." The only soul (cyber elf) Ceil could possibly get her hands on was Zero's when and if his body was destroyed...
The doors to cyberspace exist to enter that realm yourself. As a scientist, you need not enter it, you simply need to acquire the data it holds. That is how Dr. Vile, a revival specialist, does it. He can acquire the data from cyberspace, reproduce that data to revive the Repliroid as a Cyber Elf before giving said Repliroid a new body. Ciel's areas of expertise is copying others and having an emphatic connection with Cyber Elves. She's not a revival specialist and only attained those abilities through her interaction with the Model V. She simply recovered the souls of the legendary heroes, that would have lived on as Cyber Elves until they had spent up all their energy, and put them inside of the Livemetal. All of the legendary heroes that became Livemetals have been previously set up to have died.
Quote from: Flame on November 15, 2008, 09:58:07 PM
the word of god indeed.
(http://oekaki.rockmanpm.com/pictures/rpm401.png)
That is the only truth, and its made of Epic Win.
QuoteYou know, even if you can survive atmospheric re-entry, hitting the ground at terminal velocity will kill you.
Not even Inafune can save Zero from something like that. XD
no wait...
QuoteWay to ruin Zero's epic finale.
lol.
So much information to process... X(
Quotelol.
To rephrase myself; Zero4's finale can only exist with Zero's heroic sacrifice, his very action whilst knowing his demise was imminent. Zero chose to rid the world of himself but whilst fighting for his true conviction. Everything about Zero himself is brought full circle in that ending. It is the epitome of why Zero the destroyer is a hero. The sheer epic nature of Zero telling Vile what he did in that drastic scenario made the finale highly enjoyable. Even with Ciel's sad moments that followed, everything was set up so that the player for once would experience what it meant to be Zero and why he would dare to throw his life away, that is something neither X1 nor X5 managed to portray.
ZERO: I never cared about justice, and I don't recall ever calling myself a hero... I have always fought for the people I believe in. I won't hesitate... If an enemy appears in front of me, I will destroy it!
Quote from: Zan on November 16, 2008, 01:37:35 PM
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Where is my clapping gif when I need it? This, as much as it caught me off guard when I first played the game, is just nothing short of good writing and one of the reasons why I love the Zero series for what it is/was.
Zero's broken helmet lying on the ground still brings tears to my eyes.
All of the above is why Zero should remain dead after Z4. It would cheapen the meaning of the whole thing, much like it did back in X1 and X5 for me. Inti seems to have a somewhat better grasp on storytelling in that sense than Capcom on it's own, thank Elysium.
Quote from: Fxeni on November 16, 2008, 10:00:46 PM
thank Elysium.
I chuckled. XD
Also inticreates for Legends/DASH 3 storyline, Y/N?
You mean Y/Y, right Jelly?
I'd rather have the original team's storyline for DASH.
Quote from: Zan on November 16, 2008, 10:25:03 PM
I'd rather have the original team's storyline for DASH.
Well, they could write it and Inti could execute it. That work? WE NEED RESOLUTION! And maybe make it so it's a series that doesn't end on an EVEN NUMBER!
Quote from: Mirby on November 16, 2008, 10:40:33 PM
Well, they could write it and Inti could execute it.
This is kinda what i meant originally, but hey, anything as long as we get quality Legends/DASH 3 story to go with the gameplay.
Aye.
Provided Scenario Writer Yoshinori Kawano is in Mega Man 9's credits (in other words still in favor with Inafune's current team) I think the original team'd be the ones handling a Legends 3 myself.
Since MM9 doesn't even include a scenario writer in the credits, I wouldn't find it odd if he was the one who wrote the story for that game too.
Quote from: Rodrigo Shin on November 16, 2008, 11:06:55 PM
Provided Scenario Writer Yoshinori Kawano is in Mega Man 9's credits (in other words still in favor with Inafune's current team) I think the original team'd be the ones handling a Legends 3 myself.
Since MM9 doesn't even include a scenario writer in the credits, I wouldn't find it odd if he was the one who wrote the story for that game too.
There's something written in the Special Thanks at least. ^^ (http://www.rockmanpm.com/?p=original/rockman9/staff)
Quote from: Vixy on November 17, 2008, 12:29:22 AM
There's something written in the Special Thanks at least. ^^ (http://www.rockmanpm.com/?p=original/rockman9/staff)
Yeah, I knew he was Special Thanks... I should've used "Since" instead of "provided" in my post. Considering English proficiency may or may not land me a gig soon, I ought to keep track of that. >.>
Quote from: Mirby on November 16, 2008, 10:18:22 PM
You mean Y/[tornado fang]ing produce ZX3 already?
fixed for you
You'd really really think that people would know that anything falling out of orbit and into the atmosphere is nothing short of dead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia_disaster Here's an example of what happenes to you when you fall into the atmosphere at deadly situations.
Now, they were on the inside of the ship. Zero was on the outside of Ragnorak. Result : A hot burning death that makes the T-1000's death look like a cakewalk.
You do know Zero isn't physically human, right?
If he was a human, he'd have survived. Since he isn't human, he lacks human invincibility and thus he's allowed to be killed on screen.
Just ask Wily, Cain and Ciel.
lol. so true.
Quote from: MassKiller1 on December 19, 2008, 09:27:31 AM
You do know Zero isn't physically human, right?
You dont need to be human to go splat. or burn up. NO one can survive atmospheric re entry without very, very, VERY heavy shielding. if whole chunks of Ragnaroks parts burned up upon reentry, what do you think would hapen to Zero, who is many times smaller than those pieces?
besides, by that logic, he cant be killed by bottomless pits.
I wonder how hard the reaction would be if in spite of all this contradicting evidence when they come out with Rockman Zero 5 (I said I wonder). ???
Wow this thread is still alive?
Oh whoops! Not anymore.