Topic: Sonic the Hedgehog 4 (Wii, PS3, 360, iPhone)

[Gaia]

Chao attack, and ability of flight. So far she's the only one who can fight with a chao companion.

[Hypershell]

Cream & Cheese have a character niche?

My point.

[Flame]

Well, 2 screens of that top speed run,



http://www.sonicthehedgehog4.com/us/

Wonderin' if theres a way to rip that Background to get a better look at Running Sonic with his top speed animation.

[HokutoNoBen]

Some one on GAF already took care of that.



Yeeesh...so baaaaaaaaad.  They just did an overlay over the basic animation.

Another cross-ref:


Colors look obviously better here, but it still ain't looking good...

[Flame]

wow. that was a weird choice. why couldnt they just, you know, done the "wheel" on its own? Like old sonic? this DOES look weird.

[HokutoNoBen]

wow. that was a weird choice. why couldnt they just, you know, done the "wheel" on its own? Like old sonic? this DOES look weird.

It's sad when Sakurai got Sonic right in Brawl, late to the party as the blue blur was back then, and yet, Sega/Sonic/Dimps are doing things of this nature for what is supposed to be Sonic the Hedgehog 4. 

[Flame]

Yeah I suppose it is. but I mean, all that aside, it seriously just looks weird. I mean, instead of just the sprite, with its legs goin whoosh in a circl, they make the running animation, and then put the whoosh feet OVER it.
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[Kieran]

It's called "laziness," and frankly I've gotten used to the concept from Capcom's last several games.

Honestly, are you all going to condemn the entire game for one [tornado fang]ing animation that's probably going to be going by too fast for you to even tell in the first place?

I know people are looking for anything and everything they can possibly nitpick about, but god damn.

Edit: I suppose that was a bit more bitchy than I intended.

[Remilia Scarlet]

Well, I just want to play a Sonic game and you cannot please everyone unfortuantely and as HokutoNoBen said Brawl got Sonic rigth, why dodn't get Sakurai for advice on this?! 

[HokutoNoBen]

Honestly, are you going to condemn the entire game for one [tornado fang]ing animation that's probably going to be going by too fast for you to even tell in the first place?

Oh no. I'm not going to be that limited in scope. 

Since the game has been revealed, you can at least say I've been CONSISTENT. I've not liked what I've been seeing since the jump. This has just been yet another thing that has been added on to that list.

Say what you will about Capcom's efforts, but at least in the last two 8-bit games, you can say that they didn't make any thing that has been outright TRIFLING in scope, much less anything that could be described as "not worthy of being another number attached to an established series". Same could be said for the likes of SF4 and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, which are both games that fell in line with their respective "series".

But again and again, and as more has been revealed, this game, has proved that it is not worthy of being called "Sonic the Hedgehog 4". And that is where my entire issue with it lies. If they had called it ANYTHING else, the game could have been judged on its own merits. But this game is clearly not going to be anything worthy of being compared to the 16-bit anthology, and thus, the "Sonic 4" title is nothing more than a title in name. 

And that, my friends, is why I'm going to continue to be unapologetic in my lambasting of this game. Far as I'm concerned, this is yet ANOTHER stunt to "take him back to his roots" for the umpteenth time, and I'm sick of it.

[HyperSonicEXE]

I still say it's too early to judge. However heavily it may borrow from Sonic 1 and 2, it's still a sight better than what we've been getting. I think Sonic 4 is a case of "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions"; the Homing Attack, physics, and Rush path design may not work well, Splash Hill's music is grating my ears, and yes the bloody thing is episodic (but so is Shantae, and who's complaining about that?).

But we do have Sonic 1 Chaos Emerald collection and Super Sonic back, we're squaring off against Egghead/Robuttnik, and the teams may very well be trying to design the stages as a merger of the better parts of Sonic 3, CD, and Rush styles which would be very close to ideal, so I say we wait and see.

And remember, Sonics 1, 2, and Knuckles weren't exactly "gems", either. That's probably why they were so hated for the longest. Sonic 1 is slower than Antarctic Molasses, Sonic 2 drags on way too much and the goalposts are too scattered to make Emerald collection fluid, and S&K's stage design post-Flying Battery is *BEEP*.

Sonic games are best judged when we get it in our hands, not by vids.

[HokutoNoBen]

And remember, Sonics 1, 2, and Knuckles weren't exactly "gems", either.

I've seen some crazy "revisionist History" on GAF, but this is starting to get ridiculous! 

[Protoman Blues]

And remember, Sonics 1, 2, and Knuckles weren't exactly "gems", either. That's probably why they were so hated for the longest. Sonic 1 is slower than Antarctic Molasses, Sonic 2 drags on way too much and the goalposts are too scattered to make Emerald collection fluid, and S&K's stage design post-Flying Battery is *BEEP*.

Sonic games are best judged when we get it in our hands, not by vids.

 

...Wow...

[Nekomata]

And remember, Sonics 1, 2, and Knuckles weren't exactly "gems", either. That's probably why they were so hated for the longest. Sonic 1 is slower than Antarctic Molasses, Sonic 2 drags on way too much and the goalposts are too scattered to make Emerald collection fluid, and S&K's stage design post-Flying Battery is *BEEP*.

this man speaks truth, take off your [tornado fang]ing nostalgia goggles kids.

[Fxeni]

And remember, Sonics 1, 2, and Knuckles weren't exactly "gems", either. That's probably why they were so hated for the longest. Sonic 1 is slower than Antarctic Molasses, Sonic 2 drags on way too much and the goalposts are too scattered to make Emerald collection fluid, and S&K's stage design post-Flying Battery is *BEEP*.

You know, I've though this for a long time for a lot of things you've said, but this time it really needs to be said. What in the bloody holy hell are you talking about? I've never heard of anyone flat out hating Sonic 1,2 or S&K. I'll agree that they have some faults, but "hated" is hardly the term anyone ever uses for those games, seeing as this is the first time I've actually heard any of that used for those games in specific. You're allowed to feel that way, but don't act as if this was a widespread common comment, seeing as that is clearly not the case. "Disliked" would have been more appropriate for those sections of the games, as I have heard/seen plenty of that (for those issues you listed, which are indeed true for the most part).

The only thing from your post I fully agree with is this:

I still say it's too early to judge.

Sonic games are best judged when we get it in our hands, not by vids.

I would argue that it applies to most games too, not just Sonic.

[Mirby]

Sonic games are best judged when we get it in our hands, not by vids.

Any game is best judged when we get it in our hands. I don't really listen to reviews, because those are just opinions basically. I only judge a game when I've played it myself. Mainly why I have no opinion on the PS3; never played it. I'm hoping this turns out well, but I won't know until I play it, if I do.

think about this: if it's a video, then we can't tell the skill of the gamer who's playing it. It could be hard to control and they've overcome it, or they could suck. It could be loose controls, but we might not be able to tell from just a video. Remember the first video and the Homing Attack up the loop? The player sucked. Didn't mean the engine was screwed.

[HokutoNoBen]

this man speaks truth, take off your [tornado fang]ing nostalgia goggles kids.

So basically, Sonic was NEVER good, amirite? 

[Klavier Gavin]

I hate Sonic 1, I loathe Sonic 2, and Sonic 3&K can go suck on a dick.

Is it working? Are you all getting pissed off now?

So basically, Sonic was NEVER good, amirite? 

...

[Nekomata]

So basically, Sonic was NEVER good, amirite? 

it was only good when they realized a fat man and a smug blue rodent could only carry it so far.

[Gaia]

it was only good when they realized a fat man and a smug blue rodent could only carry it so far.

..And yet they have a long-running comic book series alongside the games.  

[HyperSonicEXE]

I'll agree that they have some faults, but "hated" is hardly the term anyone ever uses for those games, seeing as this is the first time I've actually heard any of that used for those games in specific.

I typed that all in a hurry; 2 addendums:
A) Those things I listed about Sonics 1, 2, and Knuckles are just the major factors against them. Still decent games, otherwise, I wouldn't be buying collections, now would I?
B) Hated by Sega/Sonic Team's inner sanctum of Execu-bots, including that one President or whoever we have on record saying he hated the Genesis games. Those reasons are why.

So basically, Sonic was NEVER good, amirite?  

Sonic 3. Past that, the series was good, but the zones that were good were wedged in between zones that stopped you every 3 seconds with platforming or enemies.
That's why everyone knows the Level Select codes. Well, that and Debug/Super Sonic/Boss practice.

this man speaks truth, take off your [tornado fang]ing nostalgia goggles kids.

Thank you.

[Jericho]

And remember, Sonics 1, 2, and Knuckles weren't exactly "gems", either. That's probably why they were so hated for the longest. Sonic 1 is slower than Antarctic Molasses, Sonic 2 drags on way too much and the goalposts are too scattered to make Emerald collection fluid, and S&K's stage design post-Flying Battery is *BEEP*.

this man speaks truth, take off your [tornado fang]ing nostalgia goggles kids.

Holy [parasitic bomb], this is the first time in my internet history I've ever seen someone attack Sonic 2 without me agreeing on what they were attacking.

By the way, how can anybody say that Sonic 1, 2, or Knuckles (which is basically Sonic 3 Part 2) were bad with a straight face? They have flaws, I can definitely agree to that, but to say they were bad? You guys clearly didn't come from the same 90s I did where Sonic was the only game series that could get the entire gaming public riled up on a scale similar to the Super Mario Bros. series.

That all said, you people just don't enjoy video games period.

[HyperSonicEXE]

By the way, how can anybody say that Sonic 1, 2, or Knuckles (which is basically Sonic 3 Part 2) were bad with a straight face? They have flaws, I can definitely agree to that, but to say they were bad?

Still decent games, otherwise, I wouldn't be buying collections, now would I?

Still decent games, otherwise

STILL DECENT GAMES

[Turian]

this man speaks truth, take off your [tornado fang]ing nostalgia goggles kids.

Good one. I lol'ed. 

[Clefilicious❣]

Sonic 1 is slower than Antarctic Molasses, Sonic 2 drags on way too much and the goalposts are too scattered to make Emerald collection fluid, and S&K's stage design post-Flying Battery is *BEEP*.

Sonic games are best judged when we get it in our hands, not by vids.

Holy hell, agreed on Sonic 2. No matter how many people praise the [parasitic bomb] out of it. I just find it to be [parasitic bomb]. Just like most other games that are the second in the series (The Game Gear Sonic 2 is somewhat more fun in my opinion. better than the genesis version.)