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Re: Metroid Discussion Thread
« Reply #675 on: September 05, 2010, 03:29:58 AM »
Maybe fanboys around here are a little bit more annoying and common than the ones around there. I know very few "fair" gamers in real life, and have met very few as well.

...hell, I punched a guy in the face at Video Games Live because he wouldn't stop asking me if I liked mudkips.

....Really? Daaaaamn.

Yeah, different experiences I guess. I'm not saying certain gamers aren't total unreasonable fanboys. Hell, Lou deals with some customers like that at GameStop. But for the most part, I've mostly met the "middle" crowd in real life.

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« Reply #676 on: September 05, 2010, 03:49:09 AM »
....Really? Daaaaamn.

Yeah, different experiences I guess. I'm not saying certain gamers aren't total unreasonable fanboys. Hell, Lou deals with some customers like that at GameStop. But for the most part, I've mostly met the "middle" crowd in real life.
I think it's because of the console bias over here. People don't really know anything other than Sony around here. I've played with the oldies, but the big bias makes the old gamers become gigantic Nintendo/Sega fanboys for the most part, refusing to acknoledge any game that isn't on their system, while 99% of the gamer population around here just knows two games. PES and whatever wrestling game comes next. I've been called a "Star Wars nerd" for playing Halo. YES, Halo.

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Re: Metroid Discussion Thread
« Reply #677 on: September 05, 2010, 03:53:07 AM »
Wow.  And here I thought I had a grasp of console fanboyism, but I never imagined the Sony/Microsoft rift was that deep.

....Really? Daaaaamn.

Yeah, different experiences I guess. I'm not saying certain gamers aren't total unreasonable fanboys. Hell, Lou deals with some customers like that at GameStop. But for the most part, I've mostly met the "middle" crowd in real life.
Lou works at GameStop?  I'm curious, does some manager with a whip/cattle prod threaten the employees if they do not ask every customer if they want every single item on the pre-order list?  Even if I've already pre-ordered something, they're still trying to sell me something else.  It gets annoying real quick.

They needed a new formula a long time ago.  I honestly think Legends 3 would have accomplished that.  They kept on remaking the same thing, with lower budgets, and now they're acting all confused because they stopped making a profit.

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« Reply #678 on: September 05, 2010, 03:59:24 AM »
I think it's because of the console bias over here. People don't really know anything other than Sony around here. I've played with the oldies, but the big bias makes the old gamers become gigantic Nintendo/Sega fanboys for the most part, refusing to acknoledge any game that isn't on their system, while 99% of the gamer population around here just knows two games. PES and whatever wrestling game comes next. I've been called a "Star Wars nerd" for playing Halo. YES, Halo.

............  o-O

Yeaaaaah, I don't think it's even close to being that bad here in NYC.

Lou works at GameStop?  I'm curious, does some manager with a whip/cattle prod threaten the employees if they do not ask every customer if they want every single item on the pre-order list?  Even if I've already pre-ordered something, they're still trying to sell me something else.  It gets annoying real quick.

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« Reply #679 on: September 05, 2010, 04:50:39 AM »
I don't mind the game being Wii-remote only, but my one gripe with controls is how they handled the Grapple Beam.  They used a "switch" mentality rather than a "hold" mentality as pretty much every other Metroid game has done, which screwed me up a few times.  Further, initiating it requires first-person view, while there are a few times (mainly in the lava area) where keeping the Wii remote in that position will botch your landing.

I have mixed feelings about item authorization.  It works for anything potentially destructive.  Samus is joining a military operation, so she has to play by their rules.  They regulate weapons, as any organized outfit should.  And you certainly don't want to accidentally Power Bomb a survivor, or even a corpse that could have given you clues.  But the Varia Suit, Gravity Suit, and Space Jump?  They have ZERO destructive potential.  It makes no sense with them.  And shouldn't the Ice Beam be considered Samus's equivalent to the GF freeze gun?  Adam authorizes that for all troops when they're deployed, yet leaves Samus with the regular Power Beam.

But I can't really lay all of that at Adam's feet.  Recall, the only things Samus ever deactivated on Adam's say-so were Bombs, Missiles, and Power Bombs.  In other words, she of her own accord, was taking a pretty minimalist approach even before meeting with Adam, using no Ice/Wave/Plasma Beam, no Space Jump, no Screw Attack, no Varia/Gravity Suit, no Speed Booster, no Super Missile, and no Grapple Beam (although to be fair the opportunity for that one didn't really come up).  The one appearance of the playable Zero Suit falls into the same vein here; there was no necessity.  Apparently Samus just likes treating life-or-death situations as training, or something.

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« Reply #680 on: September 05, 2010, 05:13:23 AM »
............  o-O

Yeaaaaah, I don't think it's even close to being that bad here in NYC.
It's because gaming just isn't well recognized around here, and there's absolutely no love for a few consoles.

For example, most stores have a tiny shelf of 360 titles, with very few of them. But they have whole displays will of PS2 titles. And they keep selling and selling and selling. The ridiculously high prices and the fact that renting games is illegal don't help much either.

See, the overall environment of people who think the Playstation was the first gaming console of all time leads old-school fanboys to go deeper and deeper into their assholism, becoming completely retarded classic gaming activists, refusing to play anything that isn't sprited or has a combo meter.

So on one side we have football-loving people who know nothing else but the sport and who basically just get what's popular, and know only PES as a game. Laugh at anyone playing any other kind of game.

On the other, we have fat kids in old Nintendo sweaters, shouting their love for whatever's "true gaming", stinking up the place with their bad breath and unwashed armpits and speaking in cliché japanese sentences, being useless retarded weeaboos. And refusing to play anything that doesn't fit their definition of "gaming".

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Re: Metroid Discussion Thread
« Reply #681 on: September 05, 2010, 05:33:36 AM »
Am I the only one who didn't like Prime 3 as much as the other two? Echoes isn't perfect by any means, but I still enjoyed it more than Corruption.

As far as continuity... I honestly get the impression that they're ignoring the Prime games when it comes to Other M. Let me put it this way... in basically every non-Prime Metroid, metroids are essentially invincible except when being frozen comes into the equation. In that context the fact that they can't be frozen is a pretty damn big deal. I could be wrong, but that's the vibe I'm getting.

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« Reply #682 on: September 05, 2010, 05:42:25 AM »
Am I the only one who didn't like Prime 3 as much as the other two? Echoes isn't perfect by any means, but I still enjoyed it more than Corruption.

As far as continuity... I honestly get the impression that they're ignoring the Prime games when it comes to Other M. Let me put it this way... in basically every non-Prime Metroid, metroids are essentially invincible except when being frozen comes into the equation. In that context the fact that they can't be frozen is a pretty damn big deal. I could be wrong, but that's the vibe I'm getting.
I think they consider the Primes canon, but a self-contained story that doesn't need references.

...kinda saddens me when you come to think of it, because the Primes showed how Metroid could be played in 3D. While Other M disregarded all of it, and although it was good, it wasn't as good as it could have been.

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« Reply #683 on: September 05, 2010, 06:20:42 AM »
What are referred to as Zebesians in this game are called Zebesian Space Pirates in other games. Which I guess means they were produced on Zebes. They just chose to abbreviate it in this game for whatever reason. And about Metroids, it was always established that they were invulnerable to every non-ice weapon in the numbered games, though Power Bombs can also hurt them in Super. The ones in Prime are specifically called Tallon Metroids. And you can kill them with basically anything. I'm guessing Tallon Metroids weren't made properly or something. Kinda like the Mocktroids in Maridia.

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Re: Metroid Discussion Thread
« Reply #684 on: September 05, 2010, 06:26:23 AM »
I think they consider the Primes canon, but a self-contained story that doesn't need references.

Well, Sakamoto said that, as great as they were, he didn't consider them real Metroid games. Interpret that however you want to.

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« Reply #685 on: September 05, 2010, 06:34:10 AM »
Well, Sakamoto said that, as great as they were, he didn't consider them real Metroid games. Interpret that however you want to.
Where and when did he say that?

Considering they were both better and more Metroid-ish than Other M will ever be, this guy may be moving onto George Lucas territory.

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Re: Metroid Discussion Thread
« Reply #686 on: September 05, 2010, 06:42:05 AM »
Am I the only one who didn't like Prime 3 as much as the other two? Echoes isn't perfect by any means, but I still enjoyed it more than Corruption.

Echoes >> Prime >>>> Corruption. Seriously. (All three however are high tier.) My opinion is insanely niche, but in reality, it's just reconfirmed every time I play a game out of the Prime series and either ask myself "Why am I not playing Echoes?" or marvel at the complexity of Echoes as I play through it.

If you were to ask me, Retro really just seemed to catch a bad case of Majora's Mask syndrome in regards to 2. The first one was a [tornado fang]ing landmark in video games no doubt, but because of that the second game got scrutinized to hell and back and eventually got pegged as the red headed stepchild for some of the weirdest reasons, even though for a sequel it was totally ingenious with its progression. A lot of people cite the backtracking and dark world as the greatest sources of headaches, but coming fresh off a replay of the game, I just can't see it, especially since Retro took great lengths to make the design challenging but not daunting.

I actually wanna talk a bit more about this too, since I find it amazing that people will praise Corruption over Echoes vehemently.

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« Reply #687 on: September 05, 2010, 06:46:33 AM »
Where and when did he say that?

Considering they were both better and more Metroid-ish than Other M will ever be, this guy may be moving onto George Lucas territory.

An interview, but can't say I remember the source, sorry ~__~ Or maybe I'm misremembering the quote, I dunno, but it's not impossible that they don't consider them canon to the story.

Still, he really praises them as being great games, just different.

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« Reply #688 on: September 05, 2010, 07:37:36 AM »
I actually like Echoes better than Corruption, myself.  So no, Jericho, you aren't alone.

As for Other M, the more I play it, the more I realize that storywise, it's nothing but a wholesale ripoff of Fusion.  It's definitely getting lower on my list of favorite Metroid games.
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« Reply #689 on: September 05, 2010, 07:44:28 AM »
Echoes dual world problem wouldnt have been as bad if they didnt ALSO give Samus Limited Ammo for her beam weapons. I mean, thats kind of unheard of, that I know of. And in a game like Echoes, that can get tedious with having to track and backtrack through the light and shadow worlds, it's frustrating.

However Ive noticed this much. its only frustrating and tedious at the beginning. About halfway in, it gets much  better. and Sanctuary Fortress has got to be one of the most beautiful things ever.

But I still think Prime is at the top of all 3. Echoes is nice when yoiu get used to it, but you shouldnt have to get used to it, and the limited beam ammo was pretty ridiculous. (at least you could still charge up to fire uncharged shots)

Corruption was nice too, but felt a bit too linear compared to the other 2. Although it has some really nice and varied scenery, and I loved that Steampunk Skytown Elysia.
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As for Other M, the more I play it, the more I realize that storywise, it's nothing but a wholesale ripoff of Fusion.  It's definitely getting lower on my list of favorite Metroid games.
Oh come on, Its not THAT bad. So all because it has a few cameos and a narrated story, its a fusion rip off? (and because its on a space station?)
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Re: Metroid Discussion Thread
« Reply #690 on: September 05, 2010, 07:50:47 AM »
Echoes dual world problem wouldnt have been as bad if they didnt ALSO give Samus Limited Ammo for her beam weapons. I mean, thats kind of unheard of, that I know of. And in a game like Echoes, that can get tedious with having to track and backtrack through the light and shadow worlds, it's frustrating.

You think so? I remember rarely ever being in need of ammo.

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« Reply #691 on: September 05, 2010, 07:54:03 AM »
No, Flame, not because it has a few cameos and a narrated story.  But because the story is essentially a rewrite of Fusion's without the Samus-X.
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« Reply #692 on: September 05, 2010, 08:10:59 AM »
No, Flame, not because it has a few cameos and a narrated story.  But because the story is essentially a rewrite of Fusion's without the Samus-X.
Agreed on some aspects, especially as far as Sector 0 is concerned. Pretty sure it creates some inconsistencies in Fusion too, if you think about it.

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« Reply #693 on: September 05, 2010, 08:22:02 AM »
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« Reply #694 on: September 05, 2010, 08:23:14 AM »
How does it make any inconsistencies in fusion?
the Sector 0 thing was no doubt intentionally a nod to Fusion, but the story felt different to me. :|
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« Reply #695 on: September 05, 2010, 08:29:07 AM »
It's true that Prime is unusual in having Metroids vulnerable to non-Ice Beam weaponry.  Even so, it's the most effective way, sans Power Bombs, of dealing with them.  Story-wise, I'd see a cold-proof Metroid as perhaps not indestructible, but EXTREMELY durable.  Surely a tremendous threat.  And, yeah, I'd buy SR388 Metroids being more durable than Tallon Metroids.  You never know what the Space Pirates can screw up, just look at their Morph Ball research.

As far as "ranking" the Metroid Prime games goes, I too am annoyed by Prime 2's ammo system.  Sure, ammo is bountiful enough, but the fact that ammo for one given beam ONLY appears when using its opposite gets very, very annoying.  In addition, it storywise feels almost like one giant side-quest.  You can go from Prime 1 to Prime 3, and really not miss anything; the Aether conflict isn't terribly relevant to the Phazon story arc.  It just covers Dark Samus for those who didn't score a 100% completion in Prime 1, and that's about it.  So, while I'll put 2 at the bottom, I have a hard time choosing between 1 and 3.  3 has the more immersive presentation and a larger scale storyline, but 1 better offers that "isolation/exploration" feel that classic Metroid is known for.  Depends on what you're looking for in the game, I think.

What are referred to as Zebesians in this game are called Zebesian Space Pirates in other games. Which I guess means they were produced on Zebes.
That excuses the naming ambiguity, but it does not excuse the fact that Other M treats the destruction of Zebes as equaling the extinction of the Space Pirates.

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« Reply #696 on: September 05, 2010, 08:38:44 AM »
14 hours play time and 100% collection later, STM has laid Other M to rest (...Hard mode? Yeah. No.)

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