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Ephidiel · **Reply #175 on:** June 22, 2009, 03:40:30 AM

Quote from: Viewtiful Ben on June 22, 2009, 03:22:26 AM

Destiny 1 was basically the game that did the most to set the overall "tone" for the series , in a lot of ways. It did a lot to refine the "rough" aspects of SNES Phantasia, and add plenty of series conventions that carry over to this day (like "Skits"). Destiny and Phantasia are running neck to neck with having the largest amounts of the most beloved characters in the entirety of the series. So it should be little wonder why the likes of Stahn and Leon are as loved as Cless and Arche (if not arguably more in some circles).

Destiny 2 (the REAL one) was the one who brought the series to the PS2 generation in style, and again, did probably the most to set the basic tone for the series, for yet another generation of gaming.

And Destiny Remake, beyond being a remake of one of the best and most favored games of the series, has probably THE most fun battle system ever crafted for a Tales game (though Graces may finally give Re-Destiny a run for its money). Director's Cut edition even has "Leon Mode" for a nice extra.

So yeah...the Destiny "series" enjoys its lofty place in the fandom for good cause, I would think.

Yeah...that much was evident even though that was probably the WORST quality footage ever unleashed on an unsuspecting public.

Honestly, I've never really cared for any of the 3D Tales games, as none have ever set a chord with me as much as any of the 2D games. But Graces may definitely change that, especially since Team Destiny's newest battle system looks to impress so much...

exactly my opionion ^-^
thx

Fxeni · **Reply #176 on:** June 22, 2009, 05:19:45 AM

I still say that is nostalgia. I have gone back and played through them, and they were not as fun as going back to replay some of the other ones, for me at least. Especially Destiny 1. Matter of opinion, I suppose.

Aresian · **Reply #177 on:** June 22, 2009, 05:59:24 AM

I had a wild orgasm. Graces looks like it's going to be King.

KING!

Seriously... I'll sell my soul for this one. This might be the game I've been waiting for, truly. I'm hoping so, Asbel is so hot... ;_;

Ephidiel · **Reply #178 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:13:48 AM

Quote from: Fxeni on June 22, 2009, 05:19:45 AM

I still say that is nostalgia. I have gone back and played through them, and they were not as fun as going back to replay some of the other ones, for me at least. Especially Destiny 1. Matter of opinion, I suppose.

thats probably because you never played the PS2 version and only Destiny II(Eternia), which also fails to compare to the real Destiny 2(true sequel)

Ciel · **Reply #179 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:32:48 AM

Quote from: Ephidiel on June 22, 2009, 06:13:48 AM

thats probably because you never played the PS2 version and only Destiny II(Eternia), which also fails to compare to the real Destiny 2(true sequel)

We've actually played all of them except for finishing Tales of Legendia. In my opinion, I'd have to agree with Fxeni. It is basically based on nostalgia and that Destiny is indeed overrated. I much prefer Eternia over Destiny that's for sure.. storyline didn't appeal to me at all, which is why only Fxeni played it and not myself.. yawn-worthy.

STM · **Reply #180 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:52:31 AM

Just saying... if you walk in to Legendia with low expectations, you'll probably find some enjoyment in there... but it's easily the weakest of the 3D Tales of titles.

Fxeni · **Reply #181 on:** June 22, 2009, 07:09:19 AM

I couldn't get into Legendia... something about it turned me off.

As for this...

Quote from: Ephidiel on June 22, 2009, 06:13:48 AM

thats probably because you never played the PS2 version and only Destiny II(Eternia), which also fails to compare to the real Destiny 2(true sequel)

I have played them, actually, as Ciel stated above. The only one I won't say is overrated necessarily is the Destiny Remake, since I didn't get to go through it fully when I had the chance. I stand by my opinion of Destiny 1&2 though (and yes, I do mean the real Destiny 2). Destiny 2, while a marked improvement over 1, still wouldn't warrant a replay from me.

Aresian · **Reply #182 on:** June 22, 2009, 09:58:08 AM

I can't fully agree with Fxeni for once. Not to say I disagree. The Destiny set does warrant replays for me, but that's BECAUSE of nostalgia. I like to replay games for their stories, I'm wonky like that.

I guess I'm in the middle.

The Drunken Dishwasher · **Reply #183 on:** June 22, 2009, 12:13:03 PM

Hmm...Well, for me, I never knew of Phantasia's existence till' I played Destiny and became a fan of Tales since.

Moreso because at the time, I thought RPGs were either DnD or turn-based battle systems (I started w/ FF7, MarioRPG and Chrono Trigger. DnD requires no explanation, even though I only played DnD once in my life).

I came across Destiny in a flea market, as well Star Ocean 2 and the seller told me both were really good and since I had to buy 1 via money I had available. I chose Destiny out of by artbook and recalling seeing an ad for it by the Tekken 3 manual.

And well, seeing a 2D fighter-ish battle system stood out to me, as well as the characters, the fun uncutted jpn dubbing on techniques and story. Destiny is an easy replay whenever the interest floods back

Fxeni · **Reply #184 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:34:26 PM

I'm not saying the Destiny games were unfun... quite the contrary. If I had to replay a Tales game, though, they would be lower on the list for me than most of the others. I need to finish off Destiny RE though... maybe if ever that translation patch ever comes out.

Jericho · **Reply #185 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:39:21 PM

New high quality trailer video here!

Fukken preorder'd.

Fxeni · **Reply #186 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:45:08 PM

That battle system keeps on looking better and better each time they show it. Hopefully they'll bring this one over.

Acid · **Reply #187 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:49:59 PM

Looks nice. But I don't like the character designs.

And some parts seem to use motion capture, hopefully not too many.

Fxeni · **Reply #188 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:52:50 PM

Right, I guess I should expand upon my point of view concerning Tales games. This is one series where I oftentimes actually prefer the newer entries, since the battle system is constantly evolving. Some games, while I enjoyed them before, I occasionally have a horrid time trying to go back to them (ToS especially suffers from this due to it's decidedly poorly used 3D field). Who knows, maybe I'll have a hard time going back to the currently newer entries after a later game in the series. For me, Nostalgia has absolutely no effect on me when it comes to Tales games if only for this reason.

Quote from: Acid on June 22, 2009, 06:49:59 PM

And some parts seem to use motion capture, hopefully not too many.

Chances are it's mostly for the cutscenes, that's usually the case nowadays.

Acid · **Reply #189 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:56:02 PM

Quote from: Fxeni on June 22, 2009, 06:52:50 PM

Chances are it's mostly for the cutscenes, that's usually the case nowadays.

I'm not against motion capture, I'm against motion capture used on Anime characters. They look like dolls, and weird. It fucks up the aesthetics.

Zx · **Reply #190 on:** June 22, 2009, 06:59:10 PM

I like Taleszaku voice

Fxeni · **Reply #191 on:** June 22, 2009, 07:00:57 PM

Quote from: Acid on June 22, 2009, 06:56:02 PM

I'm not against motion capture, I'm against motion capture used on Anime characters. They look like dolls, and weird. It fucks up the aesthetics.

Oh, I agree completely. It doesn't really suit the style all that well.

Jericho · **Reply #192 on:** June 22, 2009, 07:21:17 PM

Quote from: Acid on June 22, 2009, 06:56:02 PM

I'm not against motion capture, I'm against motion capture used on Anime characters. They look like dolls, and weird. It fucks up the aesthetics.

I agree. If the anime route is to be taken in this day and age, cel-shading and proper animation a la Windwaker or Valkryia Chronicles is the way to go.

Gaia · **Reply #193 on:** June 22, 2009, 07:22:58 PM

Quote from: Fxeni on June 22, 2009, 06:52:50 PM

Right, I guess I should expand upon my point of view concerning Tales games. This is one series where I oftentimes actually prefer the newer entries, since the battle system is constantly evolving. Some games, while I enjoyed them before, I occasionally have a horrid time trying to go back to them (ToS especially suffers from this due to it's decidedly poorly used 3D field). Who knows, maybe I'll have a hard time going back to the currently newer entries after a later game in the series. For me, Nostalgia has absolutely no effect on me when it comes to Tales games if only for this reason.
Chances are it's mostly for the cutscenes, that's usually the case nowadays.

Actually, it has happened before with TotW: Radiant mythology. It's basically they get these "skits" and I never made it that far, so it seems that the Tales of Destiny characters in the intro are most likely fanservice, as they seem to be nowhere in sight in-game.

Other than that, I might have not payed attention to them, as the Tales games are most likely namco's equivilant to Final Fantasy, that or Xenosaga, the next overraited RPG game which seems to promote fanservice most of the time (character design wise, I think they are quite popular, since they managed to grab the spot in Mugen no Frontier).

Motion capture, I noticed it's been a few games besides this series.

Fxeni · **Reply #194 on:** June 22, 2009, 08:18:19 PM

I'm... not a fan of Radiant Mythology. It was boring as hell for me. The characters are there, but after a certain point you just don't care.

Gaia · **Reply #195 on:** June 22, 2009, 08:24:03 PM

Well, after I played it a bit, I sorta lost intrest because I couldn't leave the area, and I was always constantly grinding, same with Tales of Phantasia, because I needed to beat that brick wall of a boss before you get Archie. And fighting him is a pain, he has a Golem and whatever the pink thing is with him, which makes it harder.

Having a system like that should make it easier to dodge, but it's annoying to grind against Bugbear too.

HokutoNoBen · **Reply #196 on:** June 23, 2009, 12:45:54 AM

Quote from: Jericho on June 22, 2009, 06:39:21 PM

New high quality trailer video here!

Fukken preorder'd.

Exactly. Graces looks to be the first 3D Tales I game I actually LIKE.

Prolly helps that Team Destiny ARE the ones behind it. You can say what you will about their games' storylines, but thus far, there's no faulting their battle system design.

Jericho · **Reply #197 on:** June 23, 2009, 12:52:11 AM

Call this a selfish and deluded dream, but I want Graces' current battle system in an RPG using Valkryia Chronicles' CANVAS engine for visuals, Shigesato Itoi on story and Maito Yokoita on soundtrack. The setting? Hmm, maybe something modern.

RPG of the forever.

IHZ · **Reply #198 on:** June 23, 2009, 01:14:26 AM

For a weird Reason, I will always prefer Phantasia's PSX Battle System over everything else. Still I fully appreciate the newer ones, Tales of Vesperia's system was gold.

TAoR · **Reply #199 on:** June 23, 2009, 02:53:08 AM

Phantasia PSX's battle system is kinda unimpressive now. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, it's just that when I play it think "cool, this is fun", but when I look at Graces I think "Holy [parasitic bomb] on a sandwich WOW!". Just saying.

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