there's probably little difference therein.
I beg to differ. The matter at hand is how easily AZ would accept new allies/masters, as he must to bear relation to Omega.
"Partner" or "friend" are not the same thing as "underling". And saying that anyone will cooperate with another if it serves their interest is certainly not saying a lot.
Defeating X is the one thing Wily ordered him to do, but is certainly not all he was designed for
I have to stop you right there, that's speculation. Our only insight into Zero's development is Power Fighters, which is mere concept at that point. Wily states that it'll be a long time before he can complete his project, and a lot could have happened during then, Wily has been known to switch sides, and in at least one possible future (Quint's), he does reform. In X4's flashback, Wily's focus is on his rivalry, not with recognition or conquest. Any hint at him in the X-series from that point on has followed suit, as nothing definitively points Wily in the direction of world conquest during 21XX.
To assume Wily went to Zero's completion and his (biological, at least) deathbed with no change in life goals brings up some hard questions. What is the hunter personna even doing in a Reploid designed for world conquest? Why, whenever Zero fell under the influence of Wily (X2, X5, X6) was it merely subdued and never removed? Why did the only two people who did attempt to remove it (Gate and Weil) yield inferior results? Is it really one giant coincidence that X's and Zero's personalities counter-balance as well as they do? And what of the infamous X1 buster anomaly, which MHX chose to preserve?
The only possible notion of AZ's purpose outside of X AFTER ZERO'S COMPLETION, is at his death in X5, when Zero refers to himself as the one who destroys Reploids (robots). This is exceedingly vague and could mean any number of things. It could refer to his considerably different mentality from the X4 flashback, or it could be reference to the fact that any form of Zero is a destroyer, merely changing for what cause. No matter how you spin it, everything 21XX says about AZ involved destruction, and destruction in and of itself does not indicate conquest.
While it is my belief that Wily's aspirations have changed, that is theory and not fact. However at the very least Wily is considerably more passive than we knew him to be during the Classic series, and I cannot think of a single action by him in the X-series that was not in some manner related to Zero. He appears only when Zero needs to be awakened or revived.
Zero Nightmare goes nuts periodically regardless, but X as "only priority" doesn't stand.
No kidding, NZ isn't AZ either. My point was that it shows a link between the two, despite being separate entities.
If Inti "didn't comment" we couldn't be discussing it. Inti asked the question, and Inti answered it the way Inti wanted to. They commented on Omega's appearance, his speech, and his creation within the story. Omega personality was programmed by Weil. They go on to deny that it was entirely made by Weil, and hint plainly that the personality program Zero's oh-so-mysterious creator wrote was utilized by Weil. Then we're told to use our heads and put two and two together. As far as "mysterious" answers go, it's a pretty strong suggestion, and all on volunteered information.
Okay, Inti's departments asking each other, I apologize.
That being said, there is a difference between denying and merely being unable to offer certainty. The "implications" one can get clash with their own story if one's imagination goes too far. Let's review (and thank Zan for being more organized than I am):
Sound crew interview:
Suzuki (Character Designer): Up till now, we've been answering the questions, but now we have one for the sound team. What you tell us about the speech of Omega's third form?
Yamada (Sound Director): It's "Ware wa messhia nari!" ["I am the messiah!"] It certainly sounds like that "I am God" kind of speech, something a terrorist or anarchist or someone like that would say, doesn't it? I think that's the kind of impression we we're trying to give. It's not the speech by itself alone that holds significance, however, if you could express Omega's brutality and ferocity and everything into one line, that's what it would be, right! By the way, what's the creation story behind the personality of Omega form three?
Yabe (Background Designer): Omega form 3's personality program (cyber-elf), was programmed by Vile to be his messiah. Though, as to Omega form 3's...Original Zero's personality being completely Vile-made, I couldn't say that.
Ito (Series Director): I can't deny the possibility that the original personality that "a certain doctor who tried to take over the world innumerable times" created for Zero was remaining in the body, and that side of the personality having won over.
Yabe: I guess we're entrusting everyone to use their imagination (he laughs).There's less clarity here than you might think when you consider the details of the story. For one thing "that side of the personality having won over" would indicate Omega predating Copy Zero and the hunter personna having to be salvaged from him. That would be one HELL of a backstory detail to glaze over.
For another, let's look at the old Three Keys section of MMZOCW, discussing what attracted Weil to Zero in the first place:
"Dr. Weil always had his eyes on Zero's body, which had a natural immunity to the Sigma Virus. He knew that a Reploid with no risk of going Maverick would make the perfect weapon to bring an end to the war."
Take a moment and think about that. Weil discovers a hidden personna that's engaged in a few bloodbaths, and he believes this thing has no risk of going Maverick? He sees no link between it and the Sigma Virus? Anyone who's played X5 knows better.
And finally, even in the event of an AZ/Omega link, the interview still denies a full AZ carryover. They state as fact that Weil programmed Omega to be his messiah, merely unwilling to state that he did it without aid from what was already there. But if Weil programmed Omega to be his messiah, then the reasoning of AZ being the messiah of a new world doesn't hold. Regardless of what link may exist, Weil's influence cannot be ignored.
There are other ways to spin a relation though, such as perhaps Weil never finding Zero's original code and it "seeping in" to Weil's own programming. Would seem to be more consistent, at least. Of course then we're asking how the finalized Omega differs from Weil's expectations, lack of Elf Wars details leaving one to fill in the gaps. Asking the fans to use their imagination means leaving the details up to individual interpretation. An AZ-Omega relation in and of itself is not my objection, as Omega is a Zero-derivative in some manner regardless. My beef is with the notion that the mentality of one applies to the other, that they share the same goals. That was never stated, and is speculation, one which I find particularly shaky given how different their in-game presentations are. Your justification for that is AZ's mentality changing missions, but we have never seen that happen. We do not know his purpose, if any, beyond X.
why shouldn't Weil want to capitalize on it when it so clearly resembles his own goals.
Destroying the world is his goal in MMZ, but the applications of that during Elf Wars a century earlier are unclear. Weil wanted to stop Mavericks, and took it to the extreme of outright controlling all Reploids. Vengeance factors in after the point, and it's no small leap that it would lend itself to indiscriminate destruction. So to what extent? What changed and what didn't? Lacking a detailed depiction of Elf Wars (there's as good a reason as any to revisit Omega), we can speculate but cannot be certain.
Having been stricken with long-standing amnesia from his sleep, Zero is not assessing that Wily's programming would never allow Zero to follow Weil.
I was asking that in a storytelling context, not an in-story context. If Zero wasn't lacking memory he'd already know who/what Omega was, you're stating the obvious.
To what degree is arguable.
Something we both seem to repeat. Which is why we're here. This discussion started because of the insinuation that AZ is a new-world messiah as Omega is. That is not fact.
If you're not intending to write more on a subject, there's not much fear of writing onself into a corner.
Tell that to Inafune post-X5. Inticreates made Z1 not knowing if there would be a sequel, and they made Z3 intending for that to be the end of the Weil arc.
If Capcom didn't approve of the Legends-esque elements of ZX, ZX wouldn't have them. If Capcom didn't want the statements in MZOCW or Telos to be known, they wouldn't have been printed with their approval. I'd wait for a Capcom source to refute them before assuming they've overstepped the bounds of the intellectual properties Capcom authorizes them to use and discuss.
You're taking my statements to a greater extreme than I intended. Implications and references are not the same thing as a solid canonical link. Leaving the question and making the statement are two different things.
Isoc behaves and speaks very respectfully of High Max in all that we see, and does not behave as though he views him as an affront.
If he did otherwise Gate would kick him out.
High Max was Gate's crown jewel
False, Gate is utilizing Zero's DNA for himself. And Isoc knows Gate's plans go beyond High Max, as Gate already ordered him to continue their experiments despite Isoc's suggestion that he be satisfied with High Max man-handling X and call it a day.
And that, my fluffy man, is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make. A rushed decision to the level you're suggesting is not intelligence, it's recklessness. Knowledge is power, abandoning it is foolish. There's no telling what risk, or even simple annoyances, may result from severing connections with Gate at the drop of a dime.
We never see him act against any of Gate's plans, even when he appears to disagree with Gate's method.
False, he's not sharing all he knows with Gate. Isoc can disable Zero with a wave of his hand, Gate cannot, and Zero poses a significant threat to Gate. By not sharing his knowledge, Isoc is obstructing Gate's plans.
We also never see Serges or Wily betray Sigma, when they certainly could have.
Easily questionable, as that little voice in Zero's head tells him to wail on Sigma. You can present an alternate explanation but that doesn't automatically invalidate the alternative.
Not to mention Wily's plan is the entire reason Sigma was toast in X5 in the first place, as spreading the virus in that manner posed a tremendous risk to him.
And, although speculation, there is potential for foul play in Final Sigma W. The body is built by Wily, the toughest ever, but left unfinished. Convenient.
But the fact that Serges, that is to say Wily in X2 timeframe, did not betray Sigma further illustrates my point on Isoc/Gate behavior. At the moment Zero is revived, there is no further use for Sigma. Slice him in half? Wily isn't so aggressive. And three games later, Sigma proved useful to Wily's agenda once again, despite Sigma not realizing that he's talking to the same person (Sigma describes a recent new partner). At X2, this could not have been known. Furthermore, the fact that Wily is withholding information from Sigma, as Isoc did Gate, indicates less than full cooperation.
Of course, we never saw him interact with a being with equal evil intent to his own in classic.
We never saw him act as subordinate, either, which is what Serges and Isoc do. And Wily isn't anyone I'd trust as an underling. Only the behind-the-scenes X5 Wily ever approached a fellow evil-doer as an equal.
X6 Sigma has trouble stinging together a coherent sentence. He attacked Gate without whose help he would not be there. He challenges X and Zero, then wants them to get lost when they arrive. He is a far cry from the charismatic Machiavellian schemer with whom Wily was partnered. It isn't safe to be around that thing.
All of that only furthers the point that it would have been reckless of Isoc to abandon Gate, who was working to revive Sigma, without preparation, or at least observing how far things went. Any great character in a conflict knows to educate themselves about their enemy, or even possible enemy.
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