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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 14, 2012, 09:20:10 PM »

If you have to travel 20 miles to get the necessary education to further develop your artistic skills, so be it. Sometimes, you'll have to make certain sacrifices to achieve your goal.
I personally wouldn't do that. Just take a figure drawing class. Drawing a person/object in real life is much better since you'll get a better sense on how to draw something in a 3 dimensional space rather than a flat space. Not sure if that's the right phrasing, I'm sure one of the more skilled artists can explain it better.

Already YouTube videos are out of the question, and going further out to look for a art class would be worth it if it improves me skills. Time to google search.

I use live models when I can.  A live model can be viewed from any angle and is therefore superior to a compressed YouTube video.  Also, live models needn't be nude.  I've had my brother model poses for me, fully-clothed.  I, likewise, have modeled poses for him.  It's immensely helpful to have a live model right there in the room, as you can have control over the lighting and the angle.  If you need to get close to the model to view something, you can.

But, I'll be extremely blunt, and if it comes off as sounding a bit mean, so be it.  It's obvious to me that with the amount of excuses you've come up with thus far that you simply do not want to take time out of your busy schedule to learn a damn thing the right way.  Your idea of "feedback" is obviously compliments.  You're fishing for compliments.  If that's the case, say so.  Otherwise, I am officially done with this.  This has been a tremendous waste of time and energy as you simply do not want to learn, or are lacking the tenacity to want to learn.

Do what you want.  Draw what you want.  Everything that needed to be said has been said ad nauseum.  When you feel like actually putting your excuses aside and picking up a pencil and actually wanting to learn, then, and only then will we come and help you.  Otherwise, you are simply wasting our time.

I goes so, but I'm not looking for compliments. I wanted to know what was wrong with my drawing as at first I didn't like it because it was obviously off and I wanted to fix that.

I don't know if any of my family would like to model for me, my brother is too hyperactive, my sister is never home, my mom comes back from work and wants to relax, my dad I could think if the only choice but he wants to relax after working so hard but I guess I could ask, never hurts to do so. But I could get one of those little wooden figures called mannequins, or whatever they are called, to help with poses?

Also these are the How to Draw books I own:
Human Anatomy Made Amazingly Easy by Christopher Hart
Manga Mania: How to Draw Japanese Comics by Christopher Hart
Anime Mania: How to Draw Characters for Japanese Animation by Christopher Hart
Drawing Cutting Edge Fusion (Amercian Comics with a Manga influence) by Christopher Hart
Art of Drawing Manga by Sergi Canara and Vanessa Duran
How to Draw Manga by Ben Dunn
Manga for the Beginner Chibis by Christopher Hart
Discover Manga Drawing by Mario Galea
How to Draw Manga Style by Ilya-san and Yahya El-Droubie


Though I've noticed that the thighs are drawing roughly the same length as the shins but they're still slightly longer than them, as I've be doing so I've been stuck doing that with my drawings which is why it would look weird if I make the thighs are longer unless the character has super long legs and arms. I've been using these books to learn how to draw better but I guess there's a limit of what I can learn from books.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 14, 2012, 08:22:54 AM »

You should consider a figure drawing class, even through the local arts council.  I'm looking into a figure drawing class, as I have never taken one.  One can learn only so much from books, to get a real feel for how the body moves, one needs to see a nude figure (or a figure in a bathing suit).  And since summer is coming, I'll be studying people in their swimsuits more closely.

But yes, a figure drawing class is immensely helpful.

Provided that you actually wish to learn anything.

I don't know any places in the general local area that has something like that, and I'm not fine with nude figure drawing (if they're in bathing suit, then that's OK). Drawing real people does help, I've draw one of my teachers before... remember that one old drawing? If I did posted it, it was the teacher with a necktie with 7's on it.

Anyway, would watching YouTube videos help? With real people and drawing what's in the video?
Not particularly helpful, but another alternative in case I can't find a art class like that around where I live?

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 14, 2012, 03:48:05 AM »

Quick question Viruschris, have you ever taken any figure drawing classes or art classes before (ones outside of high school)? This isn't meant to be an offending question, I'm just curious is all.

No, I haven't.
Drawing sort of a hobby of mine that I do from time from time, I play a lot of videos game so I don't draw everyday.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 13, 2012, 09:14:41 AM »

That white space in the thigh?  Add three more right below it.  They're still a bit too short.

You do know the shorts are longer for a reason, right? To cover at BEST half of his knees and no more, because when I imagine him sitting down the end of the shorts stops at the top of his knee when they're bent.

I guess I'll extend the shorts again after, where I made the adjustments, right? I hate to say this, but to me it looks like he has freakishly long thighs and doesn't seem right. I've seen plenty of characters where thighs close to where my character currently is with the skeleton. I kinda imagine the thighs being slightly longer than the shins.

Posted on: May 13, 2012, 07:08:01 AM



I really am not feeling comfortable extending the thighs more than that!

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 13, 2012, 08:47:22 AM »

The first thing I can tell right off the bat is that the thighs are too short.  Add a half a thigh-length to them and that should fix that problem.  The lower legs are fine, the thighs need to be lengthened.  If the thighs extend beyond the bottom hem of the shorts, so what?  The shorts are not important at this stage. 

His torso is also a bit on the short side, as there is no room for his ribs and his stomach.  But, some people (myself included) actually have short torsos.  You can remedy this by lengthening the waist a bit.  Bring his hips down a bit.  Keep the pelvis the same size, just move everything down a bit.

There are other things, too, but I'll let Koi tackle those.

Like this?



Thighs showing through the shorts, and the waist a little lower?

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 13, 2012, 05:51:45 AM »

No man, you just moved the left leg a bit, that's not what we are talking about at all.Do that and then we'll keep going with the proper crits, everything has been said already from our part.

You mean a skeleton of my character already, like this?

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 12, 2012, 08:11:58 AM »

Oh, I see now! So that's why the leg didn't look right to me.
And about the pose, I know it's not a natural pose because I designed it that way. Kinda like a character just floating there, but I see the what you mean... kinda hard to have his right leg in the air and off the ground with that. In a way he suppose to do a little light kick there.

I feel much better with visual aid, so I'll practice using skeletons first for poses before I start drawing the picture. I had the image of the picture in my head and started to draw away what I imagined.

I'll try to fix him up a bit.


EDIT: Kinda like this?



I hope that's better, because it looks better to me!

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 12, 2012, 05:36:16 AM »

Something like this?



Posted on: May 12, 2012, 03:15:50 AMOne more time.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 12, 2012, 04:28:16 AM »

Getting there.  Lengthen the shorts by bringing the hips and crotch down.  Feel free to show the waistband of the shorts.  Extend the legs of the shorts just slightly.  Lengthen the lower legs just slightly, but not as much as the shorts.  That should make him about 6 1/2-7 heads high, as he is currently 5 1/2 heads high.  The average person is about 7 heads high.  Manga and anime range from 6 1/2 for short characters to 9 heads high, but most character average at 7 heads high.

Really? He's 5 1/2 heads high? Then again it would be hard to add him into a video game with 640 x 1280 screen size with what I got.

What I can tell from the references you shared is that you're piecing him together from different pictures.  You're taking elements of one image and adding them to another image, with elements from other images.  Like putting together a puzzle.  The human body doesn't work this way.  There is nothing wrong with referencing to other pictures, but piecing the image from parts of other is better for photomanipulations, not for drawing people.  Use the references as references.  Refer to them.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, what? I'm not TAKING elements from the drawing and adding them onto my character, the shorts I admit were about the only thing I've taken and added onto him as those are the types of shorts I want for him, however I used the reference to get the length of his arms and legs. I never took their poses and figures and added onto him, I looked at my own body and my own attire of clothing to put the hand on his hip and the hoodie and sneakers.

I didn't piece different images and put it onto him, I simply used another images to draw how clothing and the length of their arms and legs are and sharpen up my character to have the same length in arms and legs as well as fitting the article of clothing onto as I how imagined him.

OK, maybe I worded that wrong.

Actually, could you do me a favor?  Before making any more changes to this image, open a blank document and draw the pose.  Nothing else, just the pose.  I wanna get a feel for what you're trying to do without the details.  Once that pose is drawn, we'll finalize it and go from there.

Well I guess I could, give me a few.

Posted on: May 12, 2012, 02:19:38 AMHere's the pose you requested.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 12, 2012, 03:29:57 AM »

The thighs are still too short.  From what I can tell, nothing has been changed, only slight detailing on the knee.  All you're doing, from what I can tell, is shortening the lower legs, which just makes him shorter.  Leave the lower legs alone, they are fine.  Extend the thighs.  Don't touch anything else, lengthen those thighs.  Extend the legs beyond the bottom hem of the shorts, show his knees and a couple inches of thigh.  That, just that will solve the problem.

The thighs still too short? Aren't the thighs slightly longer than the shins or the lower half of the leg?
How do I extended thighs? Just lower his legs a bit more and draw the rest of the missing lines?

Plus I've stated that the shorts will cover his knees, or half of it, but I'm going with his shorts covering his knees. It's the clothing he wears.




Better?

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 12, 2012, 03:08:22 AM »

Interesting... I'll try!

Also I'm not re-drawing the entire drawing, just certain parts of it. I've notice artists, especially in Speed Paint videos on YouTube, quickly touch up or fix one area of the drawing to improve it and such.

And the thighs are still SHORT? I'm not really understanding that... but I'll extend the shorts again since it's suppose to be covering half of his knees or all of it. I'm going to need to look at my Anatomy and How to Draw Manga books again.

Well thank you for the advice Quickman, and KoiDrake, you've been a great help to help improve my drawing skills! I'll keep at it until my drawing is perfect to the way I want him to be!

Posted on: May 11, 2012, 03:51:11 PM
Here's the next update of my drawing with a few changes to it!



I manage to add in the socks finally for him, however I couldn't find any good reference online for socks (I even typed in How to Draw socks and it didn't really give me what I want) so I used Sonic's socks as it was the closest I wanted for my dude's socks.

I also touched up on his shorts and shirt a bit, along with the necklace, as well as fix up his leg a bit with the shorts extended now.

I used this picture as reference to help with the legs to make them a tad bit thinner:
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/222/b/0/Boring_full_body_drawing_Hings_by_TOXiC_ToOtHpAsTe.png


How is it now? Any problems with it? I like to make sure he is absolutely at his best before I digitally ink and color him.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 11, 2012, 07:12:47 AM »

Ah, I see! Funny thing is, I've done that posing in front of the bathroom mirror however I'm a little embarrassed to say that I don't have the same 'physique' as my character here but it does help see how the body works.

I'll keep at it until I got it right! I notice now that the left shoulder does move up when his hand is on his hip, I tend to focus at one thing at a time (which was just the hand at the time) which I can see messed up my character's pose a bit. Give me a few to post another update version.

Posted on: May 11, 2012, 05:04:40 AMHere we go!



A little bit better, right? Still need help with the legs I think... can't seem to get them right.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 11, 2012, 06:32:32 AM »

I see... so the thigh is still too small and the knees too high? Though I'm not going with a Marvel-style appearance for my dude, I see where you're getting at with the anatomy. I'll try doing the poses with simple skeletons to help with the pose first before sketching the rest of the details, however it's a bad habit of mine to continue drawing in one area when I envision the part I like to get down.

Honestly though it's tough finding your own style, like the One Piece series as it goes crazy with the character designs that it seems to throw out most human anatomy (but still keeping it in a sense) like that one dude with crazy arms with all those bends in them and such. And it's tricky to draw thin legs for my character as well.

So that's all that's left that's wrong with my drawing? What about his left arm and hand? Those are OK? I'm still wondering if I can improve them somehow.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 10, 2012, 11:40:04 AM »

Here's version 2 of my drawing:




Please note, this is the final version or whatever and I manage to get around and add his necklace onto him as well as fix up his legs a bit and did something a little different with the left hand. HOWEVER, I'm still unsatisfied with the legs as I know I can do better and they still look wrong to me. They feel short so I might go back and make them a little longer.

Also I moved the crotch area of the shorts further down as well as extend the length of the shorts to make them slightly longer and to try and cover his knees. The lines are a bit bulky in some areas and the necklace is hard to draw at times due to the angle it's on and how big it's going to be. Might make it bigger or longer.

When I have everything in the way I want I'm going to make a vector layer and do the digitally ink to make it look good and such. So any help would be appreciate to help iron out a few last minute details and correct any errors in my drawing. Please and thank you!


PS: Sorry for the light blue color for the sketch, usually in drawing the blue colored lines are used for sketches and such.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 06:23:01 AM »

Ditto, as earlier I had sketched the pose.  I'll scan it tomorrow evening.  This evening, I was feeling sick and napped.

Are you referring Koi or my drawing's pose? Any help would be appreciated!

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 09, 2012, 04:17:22 AM »

You'd still want to use real people for reference just to get the basic proportions right though.

Hehe, true. He IS still a human character so it's good to use real people as reference to get the position and body proportions right before going crazy with that. I wasn't saying it wasn't unnecessary or whatnot, I was just pointing out the some characters in other stories with different styles have humans in different shapes and sizes. Like the America cartoon show "King of the Hill" with Hank's father without any shins as they were blown off in WW2 by a Japanese machine gun, and well it's a little strange (however, even if it's a cartoon, how did they reattach his feet back to the rest of his legs?) given the length of it and such.

However I'm usually alone in the house and I don't have a mirror in my room, and I have to imagine as best as I can when I try to position some of my body parts to draw the poses I have in my head for my character to have. I sometimes wish I had one of those mannequins to use for reference for poses, you know I wonder why haven't anyone try to make a virtual version of them for artists to use?

I also use my Anatomy book for body reference as well to make sure I have them correct and such. I'll post version two of my drawing when it's done.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 08, 2012, 07:27:51 PM »

Well, there's your problem.  You're not referencing to real people.  

Proportions are better studied on real people.  The third reference pic, her lower legs are too long.  I have long legs and my ankles are where the cuffs of her socks begin.  I also noticed that you're trying to apply female proportions and balance to a male drawing.  Men have a different center of balance than women do, and their pelvises are shaped differently.  Thus, they stand differently.  They also walk differently.  If you're drawing a male character, it would be better if you referenced from a male.

Well my character isn't really a REAL person and the proportions can be different, I mean it's possible to make someone with super long legs if they want. I was trying to add a sort of "feminine" quality to him as he gets poked by his friends for looking like a girl almost, plus I've been using Tokio from dothack and Sora from Kingdom Hearts as other references to making a male character:



I mean they're legs are pretty slim, which is what I'm trying to get that sort of appearance in. Heck, even One Piece has its wonky drawing style of the characters, though I'm not sure I'm that good yet to draw such characters.

My character isn't suppose to look buff or all-powerful, just a simple and somewhat scrawny teenage. Now that I've taken a better look at Sora's legs, I made the calves of Chris' leg too big so I need to trim that down until I get the balance part. I'll show you the next version of my WIP when I finish ironing out the details, before digitally inking and coloring it for the final process.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 08, 2012, 11:00:50 AM »

I used this picture as a reference to the cargo shorts:
http://viruschris.deviantart.com/favourites/#/d433t6w

And I start my sketches with the head first and try my best to do light strokes, but I have a bad habit of getting too into my sketch that I start defining the details like once the head sketch is complete I start adding the eyes, hair, nose, mouth, and such and I tend to draw darker when I should try to sketch out the rest. With this sketch I didn't really layout the pose, I just had it in my mind and start sketching one body piece at a time.

I started with the head, torso, thighs, legs, arms, hands, and then feet in that order with my drawing. I'm already fine-tuning it in Paint Tool SAI, with the shorts longer and the crotch area lower from the top making it look more natural and I re-drew his left leg differently.

I've been trying to get his legs nice and thin, but not too small but not too big... kinda like Sakuya's legs:




Still can't seem to get it and I don't see any other character in the same pose as my character. I appreciate the feedback, this will help me to fix my drawing and make it look even better!

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Gaming / Re: Talk about Sonic

« on: May 08, 2012, 06:31:22 AM »

May 15th.

The videos are from Beta 8, which was accidentally sold on Steam for a small period of time.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the update!

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Rockman Series / Re: The story of Rockman Online

« on: May 08, 2012, 06:27:12 AM »

Well there goes Rockman Online, it was nice almost knowing you.

http://www.themmnetwork.com/2012/05/07/neowiz-restructering-leads-to-rockman-online-worries/

That's... horrible news.
I know it's not official cancelled or outright stated, but given the direction the game is going, that's another Mega Man game being cancelled. First Mega Man Universe, Mega Man Legends 3, no Mega Man in (U)MvC3 (Zero doesn't really count nor does his costume), and now this?!

The future isn't looking bright for the blue bomber. Hopefully the GAMEON Studio will take Rockman Online and continue development on it... it looks very promising and all the hard work put into that game will be wasted! I really hate when games, especially ones I like and want to get, are cancelled or whatnot.

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 08, 2012, 01:15:20 AM »

You make long posts, so I'm not sure if you addressed any of these stuff, but when I read "feedback" and I always try to deliver:

From the waist and up it doesn't look half bad actually. Besides the left hand, which looks a bit awkward, and probably some small things with his jacket, the rest looks pretty good.

Now, from waist to feet, I'm afraid that it's the complete opposite. The proportions of the legs are horribly effed up, they look out of proportion (too big!) and the knees should be way lower than that. The perspective of the knees are really bad too, which makes it look really flat and broken. There are some other things about the legs, but I guess they may be related to the things I already mentioned in a way, so unless you get back to it and fix those issues then I'll keep them on hold. Lastly, he seems to have a small crotch too.

And random question time. Are you left handed by any chance?

I know I messed up on the legs, but I ran out of room and such and had to draw on a second sheet of paper. I plan to go back to them and fix them up as well as make the shorts a tad longer so they cover the knees or half of it at least. Then I have to move the right leg further away to look more natural and a few other things. I actually don't think the legs are too big, but I plan to make them a bit smaller in width but not too small. True, now that you mentioned it and I took another look at it the knee ARE too high up.

About the left hand, I try many times but it keep on looking really weird when I drew it so I had to make due with what I had there and possibly fix it up later. Exactly what are the small things with the jacket? I like to make sure I correct those in the future. And what crotch? I just folds in the shorts, I look at another picture with cargo shorts as reference and that's what it had... I really don't understand that bit. But I guess I can lower the bottom of the shorts a bit since it does looks weird.

And no, I'm not left-handed but I can draw and write with my left hand but not as good as my right. I have to move slowly to be accurate with my writing and drawing.

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Gaming / Re: Talk about Sonic

« on: May 08, 2012, 12:33:29 AM »

^I got the 3DS version so I never encounter the "It's a homing attack" 80 times or so... plus I think the 3DS version had a much more fun battle against the Final Boss unlike the the console version I saw on YouTube.

Also, Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode 2 is already out? I have to check it out if that's the case!

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Rockman Series / Re: The story of Rockman Online

« on: May 07, 2012, 11:40:43 PM »

Talk about bringing Megaman/Rockman Online over to America? That's good to hear, I like to try it out!

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Fan Creations / Re: VC's Artwork and Fanart Thread

« on: May 07, 2012, 08:32:33 PM »

Even though I hate the animation style of MLP:FIM (I prefer the original), that is a cute pony and you've captured the style very well.

Why thank you! Trying to get more practice in with my Tablet and learning about Paint Tool SAI to improve my drawing skill.
I had to look at a tutorial figure out how to capture the style as the same as MLP: FiM art style.

Though I do wish I've got some feedback on my sprites, but oh well.


Next up on my list! I'm going to try to draw my character Chris Corona, complete in anime style with colors, should be fun especially with the frosted-tip hair! Now I need to find a good tutorial on making anime characters in Paint Tool SAI.

Posted on: May 01, 2012, 08:02:48 AMChris Corona - Full Body WIP:



Finally! After several hours working on him, or days as I had work and such so I couldn't be on top of my drawing all the time,
I finally finished drawing my sketch of my original character Chris Corona! This is the main character of my various stories and
this is what he looks like and his originally appearance was going to appear like in my LaTale story! That where his initial design
came and was designed from and I further expanded upon it!

The picture was so big I had to draw on a second sheet of paper as I didn't have room to draw the feet!

Just to let you know this is a rather incomplete drawing of him though, as I didn't get the chance to add the socks and his necklace
onto him at this point. I plan on adding them on via in Paint Tool SAI to digitally ink and color him and having his body ready for a
base makes it easy, that and I don't want to keep on erasing and drawing over and over again making a mess of the drawing.

On the left side of the drawing, you can see the design of his family heirloom necklace I made for him, the 8-Point Star Yin & Yang Pendant.
Actually several designs, with it being slightly more complex with each half of the pendant in black and white had a smaller white and black
coloring to the opposite of them but it was too small to do and too crowded which is why I keep it as a 8-Point Star pendant with the
Yin & Yang symbol in the middle with just half of the star the other color making it simply yet unique at the same time.

In one of my stories I have him in, his necklace transforms into several different weapons which he uses to fight. However his family
heirloom didn't have this ability prior and only until he sudden "disappearance" in another world did this power occur, but it didn't happen
when he got there or when he was traveling there. I'll leave that out for another time.

It was hard drawing him at times, but I wanted to draw his pose! It was so tricky finding good reference materials for the hand on the
hip pose with his left hand and ESPECIALLY for the right foot pointing upward into the sky little pose he has there and I had to imagine
what it would look like in my head and I had to use my own sneakers to get a rough idea. That includes the fingerless gloves as well as
I used the ones my uncle got me as reference to design his fingerless gloves, though I think the left hand one is awkward due to the pose.

This is also the first time I've drawn sneakers with these laces on this time, I usually just go with strap on's to make it easier and simpler.
I really like how I designed his short-sleeved hoodie he wears, and strangely you don't see that type of hoodie anywhere on deviantart or
in real life, and I had to use my own long-sleeved hoodie as a reference.

I went with a more cargo look for the shorts. However the shorts are shorter than I thought after finishing the drawing so I'm going to make
them longer, they were suppose to cover half of his knees or all of it. I didn't put socks on him as the picture divided from the end of his
legs to the start of his feet so I decided to add those in later.

Truth be told I feel a little unsatisfied with my drawing as I well I could do more for it and that I feel like I messed up on some areas like his
arm and definitely his right leg. That's why I'm going to touch up in Paint Tool SAI and fix that! I mean it looks unnatural and awkward so I
need to move it outward to his right more to make it look more natural and better!

I should take me a few more hours to fix up the errors, tweak it around, digitally ink it and finally color him. Should be fun and I can't wait
until he is done!

Please give me some feedback on him!

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Gaming / Re: The Kingdom Hearts Thread

« on: May 05, 2012, 08:32:19 AM »

Sudo Neku was Nekuish and Meowjesty was King Wondernyan or something; not sure about the rest. I really want dat Sudo Neku.

Also the music is indeed phenomenal. But beware; songs from the OST's third disc venture into possible spoiler territory.

I see.

And I'll keep that in mind... I REALLY want to know what's happening in the game's story, but I'm going to wait until July 31st to find out. I rather not spoil myself beforehand, and it's hard right now since I wanted to look up the music on the game. Might as well do some other activities to take my mind off of it.