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Fan Creations / Re: The Gonzo has art.
« on: October 15, 2009, 05:51:33 AM »

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It's never a good sign when just laying down the flats is a real [sonic slicer]. And there seems to be something wrong with my default brushes.

"Veni, Vidi, Vici" is a plot bunny I've been throwing around recently (and a check at an Italian-to-English dictionary tells me that the subtitle doesn't actually mean anything). I'm not sure how compatible it'd be with the rest of the series, not having played it (and not wanting massive spoilers), but here goes:

Sora, now that the Heartless are gone and Organization XIII is disbanded (nicer word for "dead"), has been attending a prestigious school close to Kairi's. There are two problems, though: Because he was at Castle Oblivion, his parents and island friends (apart from Kairi and Riku) don't remember him; he's had to start from scratch.

He's made three friends--Anderson, Gil, and Eli. Eli is fascinated by "the unknown", which he won't elaborate on in Sora's presence.

One day, during break hours, Sora is told that something is attacking his school. He rushes back to find a group of lesser Heartless, much to his shock, and eliminates them as quickly as possible. He later tells the administration that he'll have to leave school for a while.

With his party gathered up, Sora and co. begin searching the town for clues as to how the Heartless are getting in. In the middle of their search, they're interrupted by two siblings, Rock and Roll; the former is a Keyblade wielder, inexplicably. Both are rude to the party, yet insist on going with them. Complicating matters is another tag-along--a boy named Wuxa, who supposedly drowned offshore when Sora was two years old (Kairi and Riku only remember him vaguely). He's happy to see Sora, but Sora isn't so sure he wants Wuxa's company.

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Eli makes infrequent reappearances later, assisting Sora and co. shortly before vanishing. At first, it's okay--but then Eli starts showing up in places he shouldn't be, like worlds that can only be accessed via Gummi Ship. Things aren't exactly looking up.



* Yes, Sora's parents exist, as do Riku's, Selphie's, Tidus's, and Wakka's, if the KH Wiki is to be believed.

* ~KaitlinEXE designed KH-Rock and Roll, though those sketches were in B&W and aren't up anymore. (Rock's helmet was omitted)

How many plot holes, Vixy?

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Entertainment / Re: R.I.P. Lou Albano
« on: October 15, 2009, 03:09:56 AM »
;_;

R.I.P., Mr. Albano.

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Fan Creations / Re: The Gonzo has art.
« on: October 15, 2009, 02:37:25 AM »
XD



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Oh, Donald.


I pitched the idea of Kairi getting an Atlantica-compatible form, but no seashell bra like Ariel's, to ~LordAizen. Her response:

"I don't want to see her bitty boobies!"

Now I've got it stuck in my head. XD (That could also describe Larxene, Namine, Xion [NO SPOILERS PLZ], and damn near every other KH lady.)

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Rockman Series / Re: Songs that sound like MM tunes
« on: October 15, 2009, 01:09:28 AM »
Batman Return of the Joker for Game Boy, by Sunsoft: The title music sounds exactly like one of the Stage Select tunes from the NEs games. (I think; it's been a while since I saw the second half of the Nerd's Batman reviews)

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Rockman Series / Re: MM Art Request thread.
« on: October 14, 2009, 05:18:43 AM »
Thank you. :D And I recognize that art of Mega with Beat from a webpage, the address of which escapes me; it had Ariga, along with some other artists, recreating the stage select screens of MM4-6.

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Rockman Series / Re: MM Art Request thread.
« on: October 14, 2009, 03:07:07 AM »
The Stardroids, eh?

Since PB has humbly requested some Blues, I'll ask for some Slashman, because Ariga's version of him is just so messed-up and awesome.

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Fan Creations / Re: The Gonzo has art.
« on: October 14, 2009, 02:09:50 AM »
Thanks. :)



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A concept I doodled up earlier today, having the new "EXE 7" story in mind (it'll be in CoroCoro's sister magazine).

Trill makes a good blond, I think.


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Donald, Kairi, and Goofy. I'm starting to see why the Disney side of KH is mostly ignored by the fans--it's damn hard to draw the Disney characters on-model. D: (That, and ORGXIII. Damn pretty boys.)


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KHII saw Kairi and the rest of the Destiny Island kids (sans Sora and Riku) attend school, so why can't Sora?

OK, this was just an excuse to put Sora in an outfit similar to what the people in Final Fantasy XIII Agito wear. Except I had no FF13A references.

Now I haven't played KHII, but I got the impression from reading Selphie's page at the KH Wiki that she didn't remember Sora. Would his being at Castle Oblivion mean that his parents don't remember him (he DID have parents, if the wiki is to be trusted)?


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This is what would happen if Kirby swallowed a clone of himself. Don't let his looks fool you--he's still a prick.


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If there's ever a KHIII, I hope they explore the rest of the Disney animated canon, and not send Sora back to the same worlds (yes, KHII had new ones, but that's not the point).

* I know why Song of the South isn't talked about much anymore; there's no reason why Squeenix couldn't just dodge that issue. The thing on the end of the blade is a bunny head, as B'rer Rabbit originated from that movie.

* All I remember about Dinosaur was that it was very pretty, the bad guy got eaten by a much larger dino, and THAT DVD GAME WAS [tornado fang]ing SCARY. DDD:

* Terra's mech wasn't easy to put in Keyblade form. I dunno if it's supposed to look like a giant metal chicken...

* While it's not the same as Nomura's sketch (which I haven't seen), the Keyblade was originally going to be a chainsaw. When Mr. Nomura presented it to the fine folks at Disney, they just kinda looked at him funny. Yes.

* The School keyblade's design was lifted from a photo of one of Galileo's telescope racks.

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 14, 2009, 12:13:36 AM »
Well said, sir. :)

Do you own "The Official Guide to Megaman", or was the info you provided just word-of-mouth? It sounds very interesting.

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As it turns out, the idea that the robots would be restored to goodness was part of the first Rockman story, long before Ariga's or Ikehara's mangas came about. Having to collect those chips from the 6 RM1 bosses dropped wasn't just to gain weapons but to recover the hearts and minds of the robots themselves. We never did see that plot element come to full fruition in-game until later on though.

The hell? I never heard that, anywhere. :/

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Fan Creations / Re: The Gonzo has art.
« on: October 13, 2009, 03:38:09 AM »
XD



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Zero needed a better firewall.


Looking back on it, the wings are messed up, but I still like how it turned out. Inspired by one of ~Shanna-The-Hedgehog's pics, and a mandatory event in a Megaman/Kirby crossover should it ever come to light. Yes.


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I've been on a major Kingdom Hearts kick ever since Thursday at the earliest, and this is one of the results. (I've had the guide ever since the first game was new, despite not having a PS2 then. I'm weird.)

The Half-Heartless are a concept I've been tossing around; they work for a mysterious benefactor (probably Ansem, Maleficent, or Xenmas), vowing to never speak unless they're casting spells, and to serve the darkness 'til the end. So far, the only Half-Heartless are the Cloud of Darkness, Kuja, and a man that came out of nowhere.


Protoman's (I guess the game would just call him Blues) inclusion isn't quite random; it has to do with some designs of ~KaitlinEXE's which, sadly, aren't up anymore. Not to mention, Capcom has developed games for Disney in the NES era.

I could only include Kuja by getting rid of that codpiece. D: What the hell, sir.

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Rockman Series / Re: Out of all the villains...
« on: October 11, 2009, 11:48:50 PM »
Uh, MHX was meant to lead into MHX2, thus it leads into it.

Problem is, MHX2 most likely isn't getting made, so there's nothing for MHX to lead into except X2--which it can't, if Cain's dead.

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 11, 2009, 07:10:54 PM »
@Zan: I know Megamix and Remix are different, hence "Ariga's mangas". I didn't feel like listing them all, honestly. Thanks for pointing out what I missed.

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Fan Creations / Re: The Gonzo has art.
« on: October 11, 2009, 06:11:22 PM »
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Hey Gonzo, have you ever read an old fanfic named "Gate Crash"?

No, why?

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Hmm and last one... yuri?  lolwut

Maybe.  :V

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 11, 2009, 05:42:28 PM »
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Doujins aren't canon in any way.  You or I could make them, if we wanted to, so .... no.  If you wish to make a list include every fan fiction ever made by anyone.

I only threw it in because they're commercial.

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Novas Adventuras de Megaman.  Crappy, but licenced.

Didn't forget it. :)

I'd love to see a section detailing the boxart, as well, and that story. By the way, would magazine covers like SWATPro's be eligible for inclusion in a an article like that? They do change up Megaman like the boxart did (at least, the earlier ones did).

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ZX / Re: ZX: Model's X and Z were not made from X and Zero
« on: October 11, 2009, 05:43:08 AM »
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And why are X7 and X8 not canon?
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Because they were created without Inafune? All he did was draw up a few characters.

My Psycho Fan Senses are tingling.

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 11, 2009, 05:02:45 AM »
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Edit:
The DW comics were set in "Mega City" USA.

My faulty memory, then.

About fans mixing continuities: Is that how the rest of us got so anal about continuity? XD I've been thinking of listing all the different continuities, just for the hell of it.

EDIT: I did; hope I didn't miss anything. EDIT 2: Fixed. EDIT 3: fixed again. >.>

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Megaman:
- Original games (separated by region if desired)
- Licensed games
- Manuals
- Boxart
- Rockman Kikki Ippatsu
- Origin of Rock strip (included in R20)
- Picture book
- Ruby-Spears cartoon
- Captain N
- Ariga’s mangas
- Ikehara’s mangas
- Izuki’s mangas
- Battle and Chase mangas
- 4-komas
- Dreamwave comics
- Upon a Star
- Novas Adventuras de Megaman
- Club Nintendo
- Marvel VS. Capcom
- Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom

Megaman X:
- Original games (separated by region if desired)
- Manuals
- Boxart
- Ariga’s manga
- MegaMissions series
- Iwamoto’s mangas
- Ikehara’s manga (X1 only)
- X5 manga (not Iwamoto’s)
- X7 4koma
- Dreamwave comic (unfinished story)
- Ruby-Spears cartoon (one episode only)

Megaman.EXE:
- Original games (mostly name changes between regions)
- Takamisaki’s mangas
- Anime (.EXE, Axess, Stream, Beast, Beast +) (Separate by region if desired)
- Takumi’s mangas
- Onimusha Blade Warriors

Megaman Zero:
- Original games
- Kajima’s mangas
- SNK Vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos
- Onimusha Blade Warriors

Megaman Legends:
- Original games
- Namco X Capcom
- Tatsunoko VS. Capcom
-  Manga

Megaman Star Force:
- Original games
- Itagaki’s mangas
- Takumi’s mangas
- Anime (RNR, RNR Tribe) (Separate by region if desired)

Megaman ZX:
- Original games, Gigamix
- Manga (ZX, ZXA)

Unofficial:
- The Protomen
- The Megas
- Pirate games with their own stories (ex: Rocman X, Zook Z, Rockman Zero, Rockman and Crystal)
- Doujinshi

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 11, 2009, 04:31:15 AM »
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Under the premise of "ancient theories/fanon", how did we ever account for Monsteropolis and robot-like humanoids? The manual statements paint a fairly weird picture in my head. Those few paragraphs seem quite easily misread and turned into exactly what this topic is about.

I can't answer that, but I did notice that Capcom, in regards to the Classic series at least, doesn't give a crap if the robots act like humans until it's convenient to the plot (like MM9, and that bit in MM7). So "robot-like humanoids" could be interpreted as robots who act fully human.

Monsteropolis could be seen as a huge region on land that Wily had occupied, or Wily's base (with the stages being different facets). I always found it funny that the stages were referred to as "empires"; when you think about it, they could easily cover more land than what you see in-game. (MMPC3 had very large stages, if they didn't just FEEL like it. Damn mazes)

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In the past people have uterly disregarded the term "Monsteropolis".

I think the Dreamwave comic named Mega's home city something similar (Monstropolis, I think). Megaman Central also provided the name "Gigapolis".

You know, the Dreamwave comic was fairly interesting--it read like Megaman if you weren't too familiar with the games prior to 8, or like old Angelfire-exclusive fanon. The way Proto acts (more aggressive than usual), Mega's interactions with humans, Heatman's prominence (in #2, anyway), etc.

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Anything that sneaks in during localization is regarded as just that; something the translators made up and is therefore not part of the game story.

Admittedly, some of the localization stuff is interesting (thinking specifically of that Bradbury K. Wells fellow). I guess we should count ourselves lucky that all of the JP-only games were side games or compilations (or quietly shoved to one side like SAR); I mean, look at Final Fantasy in the SNES era.

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 11, 2009, 01:52:55 AM »
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-The time institute Wily stole an experimental time machine from is called Chrono Institute.
-The experimental time machine Wily stole from the time institute is called Time Skimmer.

Wait, wasn't that in the original manual? Or at least hinted at?

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Fan Creations / Re: The Gonzo has art.
« on: October 10, 2009, 10:34:03 PM »
Thanks. :)



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(Note: NO SPOILERS ABOUT 358/2 DAYS. I want to play it sometime without the plot ruined for me.)

So, my friends and I are sitting in the senior lunchroom, waiting for the bell to ring (we always get there with at least 20 minutes to spare). One of us has the manual to KH: 358/2 Days. I ask to look at it do I can draw Xion right quick. This exchange takes place:

Me: She's so cute!
Other friend, paraphrased: She's an evil Mary Sue who ruined the plot for a lot of players!

The way other KH fans are treating her isn't very encouraging. Arg, arg, arg. But she's absolutely adorable, and I'm sure she isn't as big a Mary Sue as people are claiming.

Though I need to learn how to draw keyblades.


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Has to do with the RP.

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Fan Creations / Re: Rebirth of the Rockman-Themed Stolen *Bleep* Thread!!
« on: October 10, 2009, 09:42:36 PM »
While it's a lovely picture, I have to wonder what happened to Protowoman's pants.

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 10, 2009, 08:48:24 PM »
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What you say is irrelevant is exactly the point that IS relevant!. The US MM1 is something made up in localization. The current releases are all direct translations from the Japanese games. Those basic facts state that the MM1 manual of old and the recent releases are incompatible by definition, therefore not the same canon

Wait...it sounds to me like the other manuals retconned the MM1 manual out of existence, so wouldn't that mean that both regions are the same canon then?

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but the past leading up to Rockman Blues is the same past that leads up to Rockman Rockman.

But Proto's line towards the end would imply that he knew Wily was a nutter before the events of MM1/MMPU (and that he ran off before he got the shades and scarf, since Wily doesn't recognize him). That's not the same past that leads up to RMRM or MM3.

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 10, 2009, 07:45:36 PM »
[quoteDo I really need to draw a complicated timeline diagram explaining how "Rockman Blues" works? It's the same way as "Rockman Elecman" and "Rockman Roll" operate.][/quote]

No. I wasn't talking about the "player's choice"; I was talking about how Proto's story conflicts with the series.

I'm beginning to loathe this argument with quite a passion. It just doesn't feel like we're getting anywhere with it.

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 10, 2009, 07:09:11 PM »
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Blues does not take weapons from the boss robots in Rockman Rockman. He's only done so in the Arcade games and Rockman9. Therefore, he is not talking about that.

*hits self for her crappy memory*

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I don't see how it's a continuity headache at all.

Here's the problem. The entirety of of MMPU, Proto is trying to stop Wily. Towards the end, he clearly says that he'll stop Wily's "villainy". Originally, Proto wasn't trying to stop diddly (except Light repairing him), and he didn't know Wily was a bad guy.

Thus, Proto's scenario in MMPU does not match up with the rest of the series.

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"Who are you?"
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ither a completely normal reaction to not excepting to see Blues there,

I think a more normal reaction would be more like, "What are you doing here?", not "WHO ARE YOU?" That implies that he doesn't recognize Proto at all.

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 10, 2009, 06:34:49 PM »
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I think you got that in reverse. The mentioned "unstable nuclear core" is the one Wily gave to Blues. Light originally built him with the solar one.

Looking back on that, that wasn't worded very well, but I meant that he shouldn't have a nuclear core if he hasn't met Wily yet, because that's what he replaced Proto's original solar core with. The solar core was what was messing Protoman up originally, not the nuclear one (which still messed him up, but came after).

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That Wily is well aware of who ProtoMan is, is also reflected in the following:

---Wily: I have no need for a robot that won't take orders! Nuhahahahah...---

Everything you mentioned up to this just sounds like a giant continuity headache on the fault of Capcom (on both sides of the pond).

Again, I must point out: It's highly likely that Wily got the impression that Proto wouldn't take orders.

Now, that "powers you've given me" line...just conflicts with the other timeline. (And who says Proto isn't just talking about the weapons he's acquired from the other bosses?) If he knows that Wily is a bad guy this early in the timeline, how can he be working with Wily in MM3? It makes no sense.

As for the manuals and game intros that don't mention Wily being an assistant to Light--could it be that they're just not reaching that far back into the past? And I don't find it implausible for Light to have had two assistants--Rock was a household robot, after all, and not a fellow scientist like Wily.

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Rockman Series / Re: Ancient Theories/Fanon
« on: October 10, 2009, 05:05:19 PM »
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The story of "Rockman Blues" is not at all messed up with the story of the rest of the series. All revealed backstory is in agreement with the events preceding the first game.

It is not. Proto has that unstable nuclear core before Wily met him; in the original games, it was a solar reactor that was messing him up.

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Wily's words at the beginning of the game are not to be taken at face value; upon seeing Blues there, he has decided to break his bonds with Blues because Blues is a robot that can't take orders, therefore he acts like he doesn't know him.

There's "taking someone's words at face value" and then there's "constructing an entirely new meaning out of two short lines of dialogue". I don't remember there being any evidence that the two had met before.

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Really, all the games are and should be seen as translations of the original games.

The originals can be fan-mistranslated or differently interpreted, though (remember Mr. Shin mentioning "Yakasa"?). And, yeah, errors in localization are annoying, but apart from those in the X series, I don't think any of them have been large enough to care about.

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Fan Creations / Re: The Gonzo has art.
« on: October 10, 2009, 02:08:57 AM »
Well, I'm not playing it, but I do have the guide for the first game, and I'm hoping to get 358/2 Days soon. :)

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