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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 10:41:37 PM »

Quote from: Sato on August 25, 2010, 09:46:40 PM

Pretty much yeah. The physics in 4 do seem very similar to those in Rush. The gravity in Sonic's jumps and those dreaded curves that everyone but me has had a problem with are the biggest clues. Otherwise, 4 has no boosting and no tricks and no other playable characters.

Well alrighty then. So, lemme see if I've got all the information down pat here...

Sonic the Hedgehog 4 is marketed as a return to "old school Sonic roots" not because of its classic Sonic physics and momentum based gameplay, but rather because of its classic Sonic level design and 2D gameplay, which Rush essentially did except for the boosting, gravity, and dreaded curves. Sonic 4 also doesn't have any other playable characters like classic Sonic, even though Sonic did indeed have other playable characters by the 3rd game. So this game is essentially marketed as a return to classic Sonic roots even though quite a lot of aspects of Sonic's gameplay & other established 2D playable characters have been lost, forgotten, or ignored to focus on making a new, classic game which returns to Sonic's classic roots, even though it seems to look, play and handle like a "Rush" type game, sans the boosting & Blaze the Fire Kitty.

Did I miss anything?

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Gaming / Re: Talk about Sonic

« on: August 25, 2010, 10:16:26 PM »

With tea and cricket? I think not.

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Gaming / Re: Talk about Sonic

« on: August 25, 2010, 10:12:48 PM »

Quote from: Gaia on August 25, 2010, 10:11:48 PM

But now we can [sonic slicer] about it in a mature manner~

LoL, bitching about video games is in no way mature!

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Gaming / Re: Talk about Sonic

« on: August 25, 2010, 10:10:55 PM »

Every Sonic thread we've ever had is a [sonic slicer] about Sonic thread.

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 09:41:33 PM »

Quote from: Most Excellent Superbat on August 25, 2010, 09:30:05 PM

I think the physics eventually changed quite a bit. But this isn't about the physics, really. It's more about the elements of the game itself, and how the game's trying to go back to its roots in those terms.

And again, Rush 3 would have to be a boost-based game. This one has changed physics, but not THAT changed from the originals that reaches Rush levels. Let it be Sonic 4. As long as it's good, haters should go screw themselves.

Really? I thought that one review that KG showed me of the guy playing it said the game was pretty much Rush. I could be wrong though.

So, just so I'm clear on this regarding what you & Flame have said, the only thing that separates Sonic 4 from being a "Rush" type game is the boosting?

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 09:20:01 PM »

Quote from: Most Excellent Superbat on August 25, 2010, 09:09:48 PM

And isn't it? It's a 2D game with classic level design and theme. Physics alone doesn't change that fact. New Super Mario Bros was marketed as the same thing, and it had different physics and a walljump. Same deal.

Fair point, but the difference I think is somewhat in the name, so to speak. With Mario games, the physics have seemingly always changed, to a point, from Super Mario Bros. forward. With classic Genesis Sonic games, from what I can remember, different abilities were added, like the Spin-Dash & such, but the overall physics & momentum seemingly stayed the same. (I'm no expert, so this is all open for debate)

After Sonic & Knuckles, that type of gameplay took a different turn with Dimps and Sonic Rush, like you mentioned. So if they are trying to market a game with their newer style of physics, then why not just call it Sonic Rush 3?

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 09:06:57 PM »

Quote from: Flame on August 25, 2010, 09:02:02 PM

Well, its that in a way, it still is a return. Its going back to the very basic formula of the genesis games. No werehog, no boost system, no "useless" spindash... like the past few 3D games had it- just badniks, Egg head, and checkered loop-de-loops. (and a spindash that works proper)

Didn't Rush do that though? Or is/was the boost system what separates it from Sonic 4?

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Off The Wall / Re: See ya later!/Welcome back!

« on: August 25, 2010, 09:02:46 PM »

Pffffft. I definitely couldn't make her return, nor would I want to.

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 08:59:39 PM »

Quote from: Most Excellent Superbat on August 25, 2010, 08:44:11 PM

It's easy to work physics when someone's just trying to make a full motion video. =P I think Dimps feels that the new kind of physics works better in accordance to the gameplay/level design.

Fair enough. However, if that's the case, then shouldn't they not try to market this game as a return to Sonic's roots?

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 08:41:30 PM »

Quote from: Sato on August 25, 2010, 08:27:53 PM

You know what Ben, it's not Sega that doesn't care, it's you who doesn't care. If you can't realize that them listening to fans' complaints and fixing the mistakes they made is a small sign of caring, especially considering 06 and other games were rushed out with myriad problems, you're just bitter and butthurt that it's not the game you want.

Actually, what both he and you described does not seem like caring at all, to me. To me, there's a huge difference between caring and "saving face" which is more of what Ben described. Again, I haven't been following up on this as much as the most determined gamer or hardcore Sonic fan, but he does bring up a good point. If the leak had never happened, would SEGA have listened to fans or fix the mistakes made in the first place?

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If you want a "real" Sonic 4, go play Sonic and Knuckles. Cause a "real" Sonic 4 can never be made ever again. The Sega of today is not the Sega of yesteryear. Without the original team, you can't capture the same charm.

Then they shouldn't market it as such, which unless I miss my guess, has always been Ben's main complaint about Sonic 4. If it was marketed as Sonic Rush 3, then I don't think there'd be an issue.

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Anime & Manga / Re: Satoshi Kon has passed

« on: August 25, 2010, 08:00:32 PM »

It's sad when the good die young. R.I.P. and thanks for your imagination.

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 07:53:40 PM »

Quote from: Most Excellent Superbat on August 25, 2010, 06:45:20 PM

Just because they don't automatically pump out a hand-drawn watercolor version of Sonic & Knuckles redrawn by a team of Italian Renaissance painters, or whatever the fans keep suggesting would be so damn easy for them to make, it doesn't mean they don't care. They've been listening to fans, they even know the Sonic Cycle. Let them work on things, and let's try what Sonic 4 is all about before criticizing it.

I think Ben's problem lies more with the physics of Sonic 4, rather than the artwork. From what I've seen regarding the reactions towards this video, people are upset not because the artwork is so beautiful compared to Sonic 4, but more because the guy who made this pretty much captured the correct physics pretty well.

That's just my guess anyway.

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