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the Daft Punk shirt.
The feature is still inside the game regardless, and is available when the player finally wants to use it. Better to not need something to have it, than to need it and not have it.
I was actually replying towards your MMPU level editor 'dilemma'; the level editor is there if the player wishes to use it. If there are a number of features in the main package, they are all bound to be used eventually, regardless of whether DLC will change that amount of features. ie. you still have the awful, terrible analogy car, and how much you drive it is up to you.
That's nothing more than an excuse on your part, bordering on plain lazy with your role as the player.
Cause really, I will admit I am no good at X7, but I managed to unlock X.
It STILL really depends on how it's done. For example, buying the extra costumes for SF4, while a bit on the lame side, is indeed optional content. There's nothing about extra costumes that impacts on the game in any significant way that relates to the core of the game, on either a casual or meta-level. But hey, if you want to have your characters dolled up in apparel that Capcom offers extra, for whatever reason? Go nuts.
But let's say, Capcom wanted to do something different, where there were "OPC" special/super/ultra moves you could purchase in SF4. Now, we start getting into things that actually relate to the core of the game, affecting both casual and meta-level play alike. Headaches then ensue, because it then becomes a thing of what's "fair" or not, among other things.
This is why MvC3's character dlc operation stands to be a most interesting case for the fighting game community. Not only has something of this sort not been done before (BB:CS's instance is meant, in its own weird way, as a means to build up for CSII), it's going to be a thing that's likely going to make things messy for the months to come.
This is one thing I do agree with Blues about. Thanks to the internet now-a-days, it's basically a thing where the astute consumer stands to know everything that a game stands to offer, as well as it what may not deliver on. Therefore, there really shouldn't be a need to put an extra "tax" on content in the first place, especially amongst the early adopters who practically are willing to sign their preorder receipts in blood. If you're not going to be an early adopter, you're likely going to be the sort that will wait to buy the game when it reduces in price or buy it used, any way.
How many games actually have DLC that is already on the disc, anyway? I honestly can't think of many. Just Mega Man 9, Mega Man 10, and Resident Evil 5 for sure. Were Roll's costumes in Powered Up on the disc itself? For most of the games with DLC that I own (9 and 10 are the only exceptions), the DLC is added in later.
I see it this way. If I paid $60 for a disc I now own that disc and expect to have full access to everything on that disk since it is now my property. I can play it, I can burn it, I can sell it to someone else, hell I can give it to Natalie (my dog) and let her chew on it all night. I hate that they lock things on discs. Besides the money it feels like other people are doing what they want with my property and are giving me permission to play the game to a certain point. Also since it's also already on the disc I really don't see that as downloadable content. If you take DLC and just look at each word it means content that is downloaded. I know a few people mentioned that it is bonus content but it's not. Some people might see it as bonus content and if companies labeled as that then this would turn into an discussion of what should be considered bonus content. Companies decided to call it DLC and DLC means downloaded content. Content that is already on the disc isn't downloaded it's preprogrammed onto the disc and I hate when they call that DLC. I know they won't but if they want to charge us for that content then please just keep it off the disc and make it downloadable.
Basically I see it as we should not be charged extra for something we already own.
) and not having access to every song on that disc, and then Disney asking me to pay an extra $1 for a song.The feature is still inside the game regardless, and is available when the player finally wants to use it. Better to not need something to have it, than to need it and not have it.
pretty much. If it is something that is already in the game when you buy it, then it should either be sold as part of the game, or not included at all, and sold separately like actual DLC.
See above. Yes. [parasitic bomb] is called "DLC" for a reason. Its "downloading bonus content that was not in the original game, but which developers decided to add later." Not "buying an unlock code to play a part of the game that was already there to begin with"
Let me put it this way. Like the picture I posted earlier. the way say, LoS does it is sell you extra pie once you have finished the whole pie. The way MM9 and 10 do it, is sell you the whole pie, but once you have eaten half, if you want to touch the other half sitting in front of you, you have to pay up for pie that was given to you WITH the initial payment. If they are going to charge me for half my pie, then best they not give me the whole pie to begin with, and just give me the half and later offer me the option of actually buying and having anpther half broght to me.
that is actually not quite the same comparison. Lexus does not include the GPS into the standard package but have you "pay to use it at all". it is an actual addition to the car- which is added IF you want it. Much like the way DLC should be. An addition that is only added IF you want. Notincluded with every verison of the package but "unlocked" by paying extra.
So actually, the car comparison works more in our favor than in yours.
See now THAT is an idea. make a version of the game that does not have that feature at all. but that kind of version separation would be just silly for a downloadable game, and it would not quite be the same as selling you PU with the Level editor locked until you purchase an unlock for it.
Did we have a choice back before DLC? No? too bad then. If they made it into the game and sold it WITH the game, then it should be sold as PART of the game, and not have players pay just for something unlockable. DLC should ONLY be for something that Is not already in the game. For example- the upcoming DLC for Castlevania Lords of Shadow. there's 1 DLC pack that takes you back to the castle to explore more areas of it, and another that takes place right after the final boss, and which will supposedly shed some light on the epilogue.
DLC should NOT be used as a means to sell unfinished games, or to sell you things that are already on the disc/game.
Let me put it this way. I can see how from a selling standpoint it makes sense. you are selling the game for cheaper and then you can pay for the extra content if you want it. However, if that is the case, then do not include that content on the damn game you are selling, but make it, I dont know, ACTUAL DLC.
What I am against- Is not the choice, but including the content in a game, then having you have to pay to unlock it, rather than to legit download the content.
If the basic thing does more to boil down to "pay me now or pay me later", wouldn't it be better to just to do more to give everybody everything upfront, and make them truly feel like they got something worth their money in the exchange? As opposed to making their purchase feel "cheap" and "incomplete" when you tell them you still gotta buy stuff to get the "complete" goods on your disc/program/cart?
Not to be rude, but you seem to be missing his point... or at least what I think is his point.
Basically, I think he's trying to say, that it's better to pay more and not have to buy stuff which should be just a normal unlockable, because in the end, this is a shitty choice. Paying for something that should be normally included in the game, or not paying for it and living with the fact that you'll never get to experience to play asLOSERFORTE (for example) unless you give the developers more money.
Basically... it's like this:
DLC which is added some time after the game is released, and it's AN ACTUAL ADDITION to the game, like the downloadable BlazBlue CS chars (and the upcoming rebalance n'[parasitic bomb]) and then there's DLC which is what others already mentioned... A [tornado fang]ing UNLOCK CODE FOR SOMETHING WHICH IS ALREADY IN THE GODDAMN GAME AND SHOULD NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, BE A PAID DLC!
And I think I'm just repeating what others have already said, but just like Flame... I'll rather pay more money for a game, than BUY IT and then pay some more for dlc that's not even a real dlc.
I'm sleepy.
Paying $20 for the complete game and not having to pay to unlock them later
I still dont qite GET the whole idea of having to pay for DLC that isnt even DLC. Its "UC"; "unlockable content" You are buying something that is already included in the game you bough, but locked until you purchase it separately. Why? Having to pay just to unlock something already in the game, just seems messed up, regardless of costs.
Not really, I believe. In those cases, those types of DLC truly ARE an example of a luxury premium. If we're going along with my Lexus idea, these would be the equivalent of a "No Touch Parking" or "OnStar Assistance" add-on. In both cases, neither of which are necessary to enjoy the singular car/game to its fullest, and neither of which are default features from a previous release that were later turned into some thing that Blizzard wanted to nickel and dime gamers with later.
Again, quite far removed from how companies like ASW and Capcom have turned last gen's advertising bullet points into things they wish to exploit now for more money. We've gone from how MMPU and MHX included extra characters, stages and difficulties as part of the package deal a few mere years ago, to now being expected to PAY for the "right" to use Protoman and Bass, as well as get access to higher difficulties and other stages, in the recently released 9 and 10. THAT is the difference.
) are more expensive Toyota's. In fact, you are paying less for these particular Toyota's and all its add-on's, than you paid for a Toyota 15-20 years ago that had little to none of these add-on's at all.
The Disney Channel Presents: Child Pawn
What do you guys think?
I posted this at Da, but I'll put it here anyway...
I love how little time these RMs take to draw.
