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Off The Wall / Re: Request [parasitic bomb] Here: The Thread

« on: August 26, 2010, 03:48:02 AM »

Be my guest.

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Forum Games / Re: "What Are You Thinking Now?"

« on: August 26, 2010, 03:23:14 AM »

In that bizarro universe, I would be a lesbian Joe Quesada fangirl who is a massive weeaboo and whose favorite thing is to proliferate the overpricing of cheap common brands once they turn popular.

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Gaming / Re: Talk about Sonic

« on: August 26, 2010, 03:18:57 AM »

If they did a Sonic cartoon in the vein of what Archie is doing now, it'd be awesome.

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Gaming / Re: Talk about Sonic

« on: August 26, 2010, 01:55:40 AM »

They want people to remember it but not be able to relive it. Hence why we haven't seen any more Sonic racing on foot since R. Seriously though why does he need a car or a board/bike, For the supposed fastest thing alive getting outrun by somebody is pretty pathetic.

Number one, if they did do a racing game with him on foot, it would have to be at least as fast as the current games. Unleashed and Colors seem to be pushing it a bit in terms of ANY kind of racing. Second, the last attempt at car racing, Sonic & Sega All-Star Racing was my own personal little GOTY, being racing heaven for me, a fun game which lasted me for a big while, had a ton of favorites, and was way, WAAAAY better than Mario Kart.


And Sonic R provided me with lots of great, fun moments back then. No, it doesn't hold up nowadays, but it's still a fun game to play.

...and Sonic X was unfortunately a huge dissapointment. TERRIFIC art style, I was impressed by it, but the plot was horrible and it was just your general kiddy Pokémon/Digimon style of anime, where a little boy of spiky hair is the Mary-Sue around the place and learns how to be strong and brave to act as a role model for kids watching. It's really too bad. The first episode showed such potencial.

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 26, 2010, 01:48:11 AM »

Funnily enough, I've been one of the most open critics of Sonic I've seen on this board, saying out loud that I considered pretty much every single damn attempt Sega ever made in the last ten years for any kind of "rebirth" to be extremely sub-par and to the point of being extremely unplayable and horrible. Sonic games today are synonymous with "BAD". Period. No amount of arguing about reviews or general opinion will change that.

What I do take an issue with, is people criticizing this new game, which simply seems like Sega catering to fans in any way they can, and it does look pretty fun, simply because it's not like the old ones. Screw that! I think that, while we do have the right to complain about Sega, being nitpicky at this point is something stupid. I say give us a GOOD GAME. I don't care if it deviates from the norm a bit. If it's got good quality, why bother needlessly complaining that it's not a picture perfect 16-bit rebirth?

I just want a good Sonic game. Fans can [sonic slicer] however they like about how they want THIS SPECIFICALLY or THAT. I want something, as long as it's something good.

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Entertainment / Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)

« on: August 26, 2010, 01:40:08 AM »

Darkseid fell through existance. Made a hole in the universe. Batman made it so he and him had a situation where neither had any kind of preptime. Then he faced a God. In the end, humanity stood face to face with evil itself. And when things looked the bleakest, they looked the darkness in the eye, and said:

"Gotcha."

...now Batman is hurtling through time, remembering only what he is. And setting forth all the events and coincidences that grant the Batman legacy to be true, becoming the true symbol of good versus evil.

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Entertainment / Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)

« on: August 26, 2010, 12:11:44 AM »

Done.


...



HOOOOOOOOOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

OH MY GOD THIS IS GLORIOUS. PURE UNADULTERATED GLORY

Batman 702 is one of those issues that represents my very favorite moment in each Morrison plot. The moment where everything comes to light, all events we knew by decoding each of the small things along the storyline. But seeing it actually play out and come to fruition is glorious.

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Forum Games / Re: "What Are You Thinking Now?"

« on: August 25, 2010, 11:45:26 PM »

Everytime I read a fanfic I kinda wish the universe was gone so I could get rid of that one piece of text. >_>

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Forum Games / Re: "What Are You Thinking Now?"

« on: August 25, 2010, 11:30:07 PM »

That's true but I mean these fan fictions are realy bad.

Something so bad cannot possibly get worse.

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Gaming / Re: Talk about Sonic

« on: August 25, 2010, 11:28:12 PM »

I'm gonna do some bizarro posting here.

Sonic 3D Blast is a great game. Screw the haters, the game does its purpose and plays quite well, the way it's supposed to. And for an isometric Sonic game, it's pretty cool.

Sonic 2, I consider the worst-looking of the Genesis titles. Seriously, they got rid of the crisp, clear look of Sonic 1 and made everything look more plastic-y. Reminds me of the change of models between Sonic Adventure and Heroes.

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 11:25:37 PM »

Again, EXACTLY.

In a word? Yes. You didn't read what I said, though.

In my example, I pointed out how one case (Sonic 06) was a thing where a project made it to the market place, and its issues that made it to the final version where what incited bawling. Sega couldn't care less though, because they already MADE their money. Sonic 4 was a thing where the project was shown for what it was, and well, the joke was on Sega this time. They didn't even get a chance to make any money for "all their trouble". Oh! NOW they care!

Again, if the leak had not happened, Sega would've been fine releasing the product as was, funky physics and design decisions not-withstanding.

And where are you checking, pray-tell? A lot of the rhetoric that you have seen me spout? Echoed at the likes of NeoGAF, Sonic-Retro and etc. There are people who actually care about level design and game play, believe it or not, and not the borderline "Sonic Passion"-inspired kids/furs who dominate Sega USA's forums, believe it or not. If all you're citing is the likes of Sega USA's forums or whatever, then you're bound to not see what I see.

Different cases, here. In HL2's case, hackers stole what was effectively incomplete source code and maps from Valve, compiled it all together and made it all into a make shift "beta". The game was clearly not ready for consumption yet by any means, and people were getting notions from what was a "game" basically thrown together by hackers. To put it in perspective, this is comparable to when some Neo Geo rom-hackers/pirates took a beta version of Garou (Fatal Fury): Mark of the Wolves, and did whatever bit of rom-tweaking necessary to put a "working" rom online for people to play, back in 1999/2000.

In Sonic 4's case, code was released to those who had access to devkit/presskit software on the 360, which was available to those who had specific connections (reporters, reviewers, etc.). Since Sonic 4 had already been submitted for ESRB certification by that point, and data already existed for PSN and Live certification, as well, again, it's highly likely that the game was well on its way to meeting that original Spring/Summer release date that Sega had in mind. Then, for whatever reason, some schmuck was willing to jeopardize his livelihood to showcase what was basically a completed version (or close enough to it, if they were willing to show it off to the press) of Sega's new game.

Again, clearly different cases in mind here. Comparably speaking, Sonic 4's episode earlier this year has more in common with how Halo Reach got leaked on the internet earlier this week, 3 weeks before its intended release.

If it's what it takes for Sega to take a hint, by all means, rake up the "deadweight" combo some more. Sega's definitely aware of the video now, it'll be on them to see what they do with the knowledge presented to them.

After all, it only took several years, and a number of 8-bit MM rom-hacks/fan works being made, before Capcom finally wised up to the idea of "HEY! Maybe we should listen to what is going on out there!". Perhaps Sega's "Eureka" moment is still out there, waiting to be grasped.

They're marketing it the same way Nintendo marketed New Super Mario Bros, which was also different from its predecessors in physics and setup.

Honestly, what was leaked was for all intents and purposes, a demo version. Something for the press and for the ERSB. Not even review-approved, so I'd imagine it was a long way from being ACTUALLY done. And you know what? Aside from a few problems, it looked fine. There were things to fix, but I'd imagine the ERSB gets all manner of broken games in order for them to get rated early, and as this is supposed to be something which we're not MEANT to even see, then I can't pass judgement on Sega in any way by SUPPOSING that it's a game that was near its release date before getting pushed back.

Suppositions and baseless accusations are all incredibly nice, but I find it funny how nobody has played the game to test this in the first place. To get even a small feel for the gameplay. But nooooo, when Sega tries to fix their ways, they're eeeevil bastards and must be treated with total disrespect for doing so.

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 11:02:12 PM »

Well alrighty then. So, lemme see if I've got all the information down pat here...

Sonic the Hedgehog 4 is marketed as a return to "old school Sonic roots" not because of its classic Sonic physics and momentum based gameplay, but rather because of its classic Sonic level design and 2D gameplay, which Rush essentially did except for the boosting, gravity, and dreaded curves. Sonic 4 also doesn't have any other playable characters like classic Sonic, even though Sonic did indeed have other playable characters by the 3rd game. So this game is essentially marketed as a return to classic Sonic roots even though quite a lot of aspects of Sonic's gameplay & other established 2D playable characters have been lost, forgotten, or ignored to focus on making a new, classic game which returns to Sonic's classic roots, even though it seems to look, play and handle like a "Rush" type game, sans the boosting & Blaze the Fire Kitty.

Did I miss anything?

Sonic Rush, having levels that matched the design of the original in any way? The curves, gravity, boosting, verticality, size and overall COMPLETELY different design didn't make you realise it's pretty much a totally different game on all counts? Plus, even without using the boost mechanic, the levels there are pretty much based on speed with little platforming. if anything, I'd consider this Sonic closer to Sonic Advance. And how does it LOOK like a Rush game? Or play? Except for different physics, it's pretty much all classic. And it's only Episode 1. I'm guessing other characters will be available in the next episode. Or if they're not, I don't really see anything wrong with it. Didn't Megaman 9 get rid of the dash that had been in the game for years, and the charge beam just so it could be more like 2?

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Gaming / Re: Metroid Discussion Thread

« on: August 25, 2010, 10:40:00 PM »

The one seeder who leaked the game has a crappy connection, so people are gonna have to wait awhile.

I'm gonna have to wait until tomorrow to burn the thing anyway, but I'll still be able to give early impressions. If anyone knows any cheap way to transmit footage, I'll also be able to stream some of it.

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Gaming / Re: Talk about Sonic

« on: August 25, 2010, 10:38:18 PM »

Fantastic topic.

Sonic currently SUCKS. His games are AWFUL, by all the manner of standards. (all of them for the past years, barring a few exceptions)

Fanbase doesn't help.

I hope to see some good games soon.

Thank you.

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 09:30:05 PM »

Fair point, but the difference I think is somewhat in the name, so to speak. With Mario games, the physics have seemingly always changed, to a point, from Super Mario Bros. forward.  With classic Genesis Sonic games, from what I can remember, different abilities were added, like the Spin-Dash & such, but the overall physics & momentum seemingly stayed the same. (I'm no expert, so this is all open for debate)

After Sonic & Knuckles, that type of gameplay took a different turn with Dimps and Sonic Rush, like you mentioned.  So if they are trying to market a game with their newer style of physics, then why not just call it Sonic Rush 3?

I think the physics eventually changed quite a bit. But this isn't about the physics, really. It's more about the elements of the game itself, and how the game's trying to go back to its roots in those terms.

And again, Rush 3 would have to be a boost-based game. This one has changed physics, but not THAT changed from the originals that reaches Rush levels. Let it be Sonic 4. As long as it's good, haters should go screw themselves.

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 09:09:48 PM »

Same to Sato. Seriously.

Also, am I the only person alive who thought the minecart level actually looked interesting?

I liked it too. The way the guy played it just seemed like someone who used motion controls the way he played the rest of the game. Badly.

Fair enough. However, if that's the case, then shouldn't they not try to market this game as a return to Sonic's roots?  

And isn't it? It's a 2D game with classic level design and theme. Physics alone doesn't change that fact. New Super Mario Bros was marketed as the same thing, and it had different physics and a walljump. Same deal.

Didn't Rush do that though? Or is/was the boost system what separates it from Sonic 4?

Rush worked ENTIRELY on a boost system basis. You did tricks and boosted, did tricks and boosted, all through the levels. It was a completely different kind of gameplay, more style-based than traditional.

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Gaming / Re: Metroid Discussion Thread

« on: August 25, 2010, 08:46:57 PM »

It's obvious that Nintendo would pay alot of close attention to the game itself to make sure it's up to Metroid standards, but nobody really knows how much control Team Ninja has of it. And how the narrative may turn out. I don't think they'll be able to reach Retro's documental class, to be honest. Let's hope they do a good show of their own.

Posted on: August 25, 2010, 07:43:58 PM[tornado fang] YEAH LEAK

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Off The Wall / Re: See ya later!/Welcome back!

« on: August 25, 2010, 08:44:40 PM »

Ah.

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 08:44:11 PM »

I think Ben's problem lies more with the physics of Sonic 4, rather than the artwork. From what I've seen regarding the reactions towards this video, people are upset not because the artwork is so beautiful compared to Sonic 4, but more because the guy who made this pretty much captured the correct physics pretty well.

That's just my guess anyway.

It's easy to work physics when someone's just trying to make a full motion video. =P I think Dimps feels that the new kind of physics works better in accordance to the gameplay/level design.

Well, let's see...

Sonic 4 is a game that should have, by all means, been an easy knock out of the park. You mention "Sonic 4" and you immediately draw comparisons to the original 16-bit anthology, and the good memories inspired by that much. For all that set-up, all Sega had to do was knock the pins down. The build up to the reveal of Sonic 4 footage (including appearances by PR manager, Mr. "Sonic-Cycle-is-dead" Ruby Eclipse) should have been able to do what the CG "proof of concept" posted above did, only more so, because of all the "hype" they were trying to generate.

Gee, what a surprise when they didn't do as such.

Then came the "leaking". I liked how some people, throughout the whole ordeal, actually wanted to say things to the effect of "Oh, poor Sega~!" and the like. Whatever, if the game was truly well made, a leak would have only served to be little more than FREE advertising for the game amongst the hardcore base that followed such exploits. Instead, it did anything but that.

So now, the name of the game is trying to go with this faux-apologetic "We're gonna get it right this time, we PROMISE~!" thing. I guess that's the new tag-line of choice, seeing how "We're taking him back to his ROOTS~!" has exhausted itself of all meaning. But you can bet that if the leak didn't happen, we would have gotten Sonic 4 as is (or was). The only thing that separates the more recent Sonic 4 episode of earlier this year from the 2006 disaster, is that, of course, Sega ALREADY made their money off of the latter. Here they were caught with their pants down before release, and they were left with either the choice to shape it up a bit to try and fix some of the glaring faults people saw through the leak, or just "quietly cancel" the title. Obviously, Iizuka and co. were still interested in the idea of trying to make money, so there you go.

But in the end, again, there's little to showcase that they actually "care". If they actually cared, things would have been different starting from the moment that "Sonic 4: Episode 1" was revealed. They had their "big chance" to show that they were turning over a new leaf, and they're likely never going to get such a thing again.

EXACTLY. I mean, the concept vid definitely is beautiful, but it's the way that the vid does more to showcase the kind of things that we should want to see from a game that calls itself "Sonic 4". The momentum is there. The level design is there. The reliance on an unnecessary game play element for this type of game (re: Homing Attack) is NOT there.

I hope Sega keeps on getting hammered with emails relating to this vid. If that's what it takes for them to finally take a hint...!

You're seriously comparing Sonic 4 to Sonic 06? SERIOUSLY? A game which actually does look pretty damn good in the leaks, except that it was being played by someone who couldn't mess with a controller to save their lives, is being compared to the buggiest, most broken, so called "game" this generation? I love the fact that people [sonic slicer], not because it's a good or bad game, but it's because IT'S NOT JUST LIKE IT USED TO BE. They should suck it up and accept the new, more speedy gameplay, the homing attack, and yes, the GREEN EYES. Because the way fans have bitched, I've seen more complaints about green eye bullshit than actual level design. I actually haven't seen ONE single mention of level design or how the actual gameplay works with the rest. It's "CART LEVEL AND GREEN EYES, CART LEVEL AND GREEN EYES" as far as the eye can see. The way the game was leaked, which was some guy showing off the entire play of the game, while running into walls and having the reaction time of a turtle.

And yet you're acting as if they're shitting all over our faces with this, and showing us the biggest disrespect possible. While fans have been the ones to dish out most of the [parasitic bomb] around here. If there was a supportive fanbase, I'd blame Sega for just not getting the picture. But when your fanbase is a bunch of whiny, self-centered furry fapfic assholes saying THEY know better than people who've been working at the business for years, I'd get a little desperate with trying to please my fans too.

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Off The Wall / Re: See ya later!/Welcome back!

« on: August 25, 2010, 07:21:53 PM »

That her?

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Gaming / Re: Sonic and Knuckles 3D - Mushroom Hill Zone

« on: August 25, 2010, 06:45:20 PM »

"Sega's showing they care", my ass. If the best they can do to showcase that, is via announcing such things like how the universally-panned mine cart levels are removed, then it's still a thing where, at best, Iizuka and his posse are trying to answer a festering wound with a band-aid. At worst, they STILL don't give a [tornado fang] or otherwise know what they're doing.

Well how else can they care more? Yes, they're caring. If they didn't care, they'd just give us a ton of Wii shovelware in the most easily-fabricated way possible, reusing engines and assets as much as they can, because it SELLS. The way they've been working on Sonic 4 for so long, and even taking the time to fix the game after the fans criticized what was leaked shows that they're caring about what they're doing, and that they want Sonic to have some damn respect again from people. They're giving the game for Dimps to do, because they know how to do good 2D Sonic. And their work so far on Colors shows that they've listened to what fans said about Unleashed, and are trying to fix its flaws instead of making yet another gameplay transition.

Just because they don't automatically pump out a hand-drawn watercolor version of Sonic & Knuckles redrawn by a team of Italian Renaissance painters, or whatever the fans keep suggesting would be so damn easy for them to make, it doesn't mean they don't care. They've been listening to fans, they even know the Sonic Cycle. Let them work on things, and let's try what Sonic 4 is all about before criticizing it.

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Forum Games / Re: "What Are You Thinking Now?"

« on: August 25, 2010, 03:28:59 PM »

"My god these fan fictions get worse and worse these past few months."

Didn't fanfictions always start off as the worst of the worst, and have never had anywhere more to drop in the first place?

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Gaming / Re: Metroid Discussion Thread

« on: August 25, 2010, 03:26:33 PM »

I'm just hoping that all of this drama translates into a decent story, with the least amount of quality, instead of degenerating into pointless cliche dramatic action the way Team Ninja have done in their games.

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Off The Wall / Re: See ya later!/Welcome back!

« on: August 25, 2010, 12:58:34 PM »

She sounds better and better by the moment.

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Entertainment / Re: GENERAL COMIC BOOK THREAD (MANGA NOT ALLOWED)

« on: August 25, 2010, 12:57:36 PM »

Marvel Cosmic is the Cancerverse stuff and the Galactus Engine, right?

Current arc, yes. But I seriously advise you to read from Annihilation. It's pretty much the starter arc for everything Marvel Cosmic, and where it all began.