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General / Re: Change my nickname, please

« on: April 02, 2010, 01:25:12 AM »

As far as I'm concerned, it's already tomorrow. Making this name change belated to begin with.

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General / Re: Change my nickname, please

« on: April 02, 2010, 01:20:36 AM »

The genius RPM staff member that touched my account should get himself properly equipped with canon.

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Original / Re: Should MM11 (if it's made) be 8Bit?

« on: April 01, 2010, 06:13:53 PM »

Why cant we get something like this?

Because excessive blur does not work for games.

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Original / Re: OH HELL YES!!! It's Finally coming afterall, for the PSP.

« on: April 01, 2010, 06:12:21 PM »

I still think the X9 one was best.

No love for Rockman Forte and isometric DASH?

also:

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News and Announcements / Re: Closer Look: Rockman 10 Original Soundtrack

« on: March 28, 2010, 04:11:48 AM »

Why would you have wanted to make that?

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 28, 2010, 04:07:01 AM »

They have some good ideas.  It's not a completely terrible game from top to bottom.

I liked that they revisited Quint.  That was nice.

So what exactly was wrong about the plotline?

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 27, 2010, 05:16:58 PM »

Well, it doesn't seem that way to me.

I suppose you wanted another "Wily did it" plotline.

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 27, 2010, 05:00:26 PM »

Is there a MM game with a worse plot than R&F WS?  You know, that actually *has* a plot? 

The actual plot of RnF WS is fine, even if you think the intro is shoddily written. You're confusing the distinction there.

Also, if you're going to complain about the lack of mention of Quint early on, you might as well start complaining about how no classic series subtitle ever really factored into the plot. The Enigma of Wily, the Death of Wily, Threat from Outer Space! None of that is ever implicated outside of the visuals of the very final stage. And pretty much outright proven insignificant by then.

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 27, 2010, 02:51:14 PM »

it isn't really stupid for Rock not to see Shadow as Quint.

And who says he didn't? The narration just chooses not to go into that.

They tell me RockMan never figured out that Blues was his brother, either.

Yet Blues has no qualms calling people his brother in Rockman Rockman...

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 27, 2010, 12:08:20 AM »

He's still recognisable as Quint over Rockman.

Do not forget that Quint is also Rockman, it is still technically correct.

But just to make clear what the intro story actually says;

Though without any witnesses, the one leading the Dimensions with overwhelming power was a robot like Rockman.

This is the narrator speaking. The narrator has no reason whatsoever to bring up some obscure GB side series character at this point; it would confuse newcomers with unneeded explanations of Quint's origins before the game even begins. Long time fans however, would pick up the Quint connection without being told. Thus there is no reason to even mention it; the images speak for themselves.

Furthermore, a key point here is that nobody has seen the black Rockman yet, thus there are no characters around to mention the relation to Quint.

Rockman, who heard this news at Right's laboratory, took off to the scene despite being under maintenance.

Rock only heard "the news." Which is that "a group of robots calling themselves the Dimensions attacked Symphony City", he's yet unaware that there is a robot that looks like Quint/Rockman on the scene.

At the same time, Wily saw the dark Rockman, and to ascertain the mystery he sends Forte to the city.

Wily however, saw it. Wily being Wily would obviously know about the real Quint, and is thus immediately aware that this is not Quint he's dealing with; it is another Rockman. The narrator makes his point clear that Wily wants to ascertain a mystery, without having to involve Quint into the matter just yet.

Just who is this dark Rockman really?!

Solely narrative. Newcomers would be in total mystery, and fans would falsely conclude Quint, until;

My name is Rockman Shadow!

Without the narrative showing that Rock has spotted a resemblance to Quint, the dark Rockman says his name; flat out confirming to Rock that he's not dealing with Quint; in fact, he identifies himself as Rockman, Rockman's shadow to be precise. By saying that name he pulls it away from Quint, and toward Rockman himself.

Who the heck are you? How can it be you look just like me?

Which carries one big theme of the game. That this robot is literally Rockman's shadow; that as Rock fights his power increases, that as he obtains weapons from the enemies he defeats, it becomes increasingly dangerous for him; he will become like Rockman Shadow.

Likewise, Forte is completely left in the dark, as he never even was around when Quint was. Forte has to figure out another mystery; why does this robot have a similar smell as himself? Which carries the other theme of robots made in Rockman's image which fight to become the strongest; an everlasting struggle of facing stronger and stronger enemies with no gratification which can only lead to self destruction.

NONE of that requires Quint to be openly mentioned in the intro story.

The name Quint does is only brought up later when they can add the explanation that he's a modified Rockman from the future in context to Shadow's origin, and in a way that Forte who wasn't around at the time, also gets to hear it. Bringing the story full circle and gradually informing newcomers what the longtime fans already knew from solely the images. For anybody not new to the series, you'd only be lampshading the obvious.

Which is one reason the WS story sucks.

I suppose you can't even appreciate the story for the fact that Wily was not the bad guy, and the themes it carried about fighting stronger adversaries till self destruction and becoming corrupted by the power one obtains from defeated enemies.

But what if it's the same design, only in a different art style, the way some people think MegaMan Zero's Zero is?

You should check out the epic flashback to World2/5 at the end of the game. Not even Rockman looks the same as Rockman Shadow apparently narrates flashbacks in a different sprite style.

ZERO-series doesn't work that way, though.

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Original / Re: Rockman 7/8 FC (Spoilers)

« on: March 26, 2010, 11:15:30 PM »

werent you complaining about changes in fc8?

The point is, they don't seem aware of what the NES limits actually are, and do whatever to just look retro. Except when something wasn't even in the original, then it's suddenly fine.

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 24, 2010, 06:47:26 PM »

I guess when Megaman uses a weapon the Robot Masters suddenly don't recognise him too.  Because of the new weapon and color change. 

There's much more different between Quint and R-shadow than just the color scheme.

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 24, 2010, 03:01:24 PM »

You mean they made color differences part of the story in a grayscale game?  Sigh

I seriously didn't expect the "Shadow" name to be literal...

The story text emphasizes he's "dark/black" on many occasions. Likewise, his design has several key differences with Quint, and he's not acting under Wily, thus the conclusion given from the get go is that he's not Quint, but rather someone else. This Rockman tells us his name is "Rockman Shadow."

BLUES: That is Rockman Shadow, just like his name, he is your shadow.  As you become stronger it will be the true enemy you face.

R-SHADOW: Didn't you realize it? As you fought with my subordinates... Every time you defeat an enemy, it gets more dangerous for you. I was literally your shadow. Don't drown in power like I did, Rockman. Keep on protecting everyone... Farewell.

ROCKMAN: I understand Shadow... I'll continue my fight from here. I promise I won't misuse my power. Goodbye.

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 23, 2010, 05:43:06 PM »

We just gotta agree to disagree, then.

I meant R9 and R10's.

OH HA HA OH WOW!
Eggman Nega is from another dimension, while at the same time, he's the descendant of Eggman's from far future.

Time is a dimension.

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 23, 2010, 05:30:37 PM »

I guess you thought the story and all aspects of it was awsome?

I thought it was fitting for the classic series.

I mean, how the heck could Rockman Shadow have travelled into the past anyway? He didn't have any time machine, or anything.

Who says he didn't? He's from the future! And Wily's time machine also still existed.

Not to mention that the RMs are referred to as "The Dimensions", which makes no sense at all.

The version of the story, shown in the MMOCW, makes even LESS sense, by saying that RS and crew live in another dimension. A prototype, for a future weapon, residing in another dimension.

Time is a dimension.

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 23, 2010, 04:45:11 PM »

The WS game has cutscenes and long bits of dialogue.  They don't have the excuses of the NES era to fall back on.  And early NES era at that.

There are certain expectations to live up to though, just like R9 and R10 restrict themselves so very much to a NES story despite the extra cutscenes.

a turned-evil Beat, and a turned-evil Auto.

From the future!

Hm...i should make a Quint team. 8 Robot masters that Quint himself made...yea! Aw this is going to be some fun spriting.

Don't forget to paint Quint black and give him a beamsaber mounted on his arm.

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 23, 2010, 04:21:52 PM »

I tought this topic was about how everyone hates Quint? Not his backstory.

You should be enjoying this discussion of your namesake!

There's a few ways they could have conveyed their ideas better

Well, that's the nature of the classic series story in general. But that's why we have the likes of manga artists to delve deeper into these unexplored areas of the story.

Which reminds me, WilyII mentioned a manga with Quint in it on the other page... do we have any more info about this?

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 23, 2010, 04:02:15 PM »

bad storytelling

As a classic series Rockman side story developed by Bandai for Wonderswan, you expected any less?

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 23, 2010, 03:46:59 PM »

And that's really odd since he looks very much like Quint!

Maybe Quint didn't make much of an impression and Rock just forgot about him.

I think the idea is that Quint doesn't have an all black armor and that Quint wouldn't go around with a new identity.

It's also wierd that Rock comments that Shadow looks like him.  With the costume differences and a visor covering half of his face how can he make this claim? 

Rock has plenty experience with slightly different visored lookalikes. One turned out to be his prototype of sorts, the other his future self. So, the question running through his mind is "who is this third one?"

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 23, 2010, 02:51:15 PM »

Aren't you giving away the plot twist?

That's not the twist of the story, at all. It's clear from the intro story that Rock does not recognize the black Rockman. He is never thought to be Quint.

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 23, 2010, 01:15:25 AM »

Quint:
Linking to MMKB on a Rockman forum is the same thing as consistently typing "Ganon" with an extra N in the middle on a Zelda forum. Very ill advised.

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Original / Re: MegaMan 10 - More Playable Blues

« on: March 22, 2010, 08:23:15 PM »

So, is that new art of the Rockman Killers or old art reused?

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Original / Re: Everyone hates Quint

« on: March 22, 2010, 01:56:37 AM »

Rockman Shadow is NOT Quint.

And Quint is epic.

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Original / Re: MegaMan 10 - More Playable Blues

« on: March 17, 2010, 02:18:25 AM »

Sounds to me like you got cocky and tried to move too fast. Which is pretty much what I meant. It's a recipe for falling into the lone trap that does not have a convenient floating platform above it.

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Original / Re: MegaMan 10 - More Playable Blues

« on: March 16, 2010, 05:15:32 PM »

I think it's entirely possible to die in easy mode, but only by getting too cocky and falling into the sole unaltered trap. Which is why by default, you should just take some beat items and spike guards with you. I mean, got to use those screws for something, right?