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X / Re: Zero turned good by the Sigma Virus

« on: April 16, 2010, 11:15:26 PM »

I suppose, for the purpose of the earlier books "Zero's capsule" could be considered an extension of "Zero" in the same manner that pre-Sigma strains of the Maverick virus are still referred to as "Sigma Virus".

I can see that working with the Himitsu Daizukan's statement, even if it came from the capsule, it is still Zero's virus. But Inafune's words provide a problem in that it "passed from Zero to Sigma." Which only works if the way is not Capsule->Zero followed by Capsule->Sigma, but rather Capsule->Zero->Sigma. And if that is what happened, it very much implicates the procedure of Zero's allegiance change could be interrupted by it passing to Sigma.

Never previously was there a reason to draw a distinction between Zero's capsule and Zero himself, in terms of where the virus was brewing.

I'm mostly concerned with the X8 statement. It says "your virus" in MMX8. But in RX8 Sigma explicitly says something like "from that DNA". Maybe Sigma was instead referring to the creation of the Zero Virus, which was such a huge point in X8? If in reference to the original infection, it only works with the Capsule->Zero->Sigma approach. All in all, I'd like to see a retranslation of that line.

As for the status of Zero's own infection, the RPM book seems to be speaking in "maybes", so they can be dismissed as implications rather than facts.  On the surface, this does seem to show that Zero's origins have been changed.

Yeah, the RPM quote is very easy to write off as just in-universe hearsay about Zero. But, its statements to coincide with what RZOCW told us: Zero is the first infected with Sigma Virus, he is the source. Which doesn't fly with the capsule and the timing of the Sigma battle in relation to the first irregulars. At face value this means he was infected long before the Zero vs Sigma battle; being infected once again during the battle to cause the allegiance change.

wreck his immunity.

On that matter, why is Zero even immune to the virus? He was sleeping in the very same capsule that contained the virus. Perhaps Wily is building up Zero's immunity by constant exposure? Or is Wily running something similar to X's 30 years of ethical testing?

For that matter, should physical armor be all that important in preventing computer virus infiltration in the first place, or as with X, should we instead be looking at mental states?

I think with Zero, it is quite relevant. Remember that his body physically reacts to the virus. If this is compromised by battle damage, the virus is allowed to reach his brain.

Wily could be stopping Zero in mid-battle, making the call that he is now ready for viral infusion, and Zero would have been KOed, and infected while he was down.  Both sources would remain true as to who, Sigma or Wily, is responsible for Zero's initial infection, by having both play a part in it.

In that scenario, Wily's timing is absolute crap, though. However, the part of "circumstance", is not to be forgotten...

For the effects of the virus in later games, most notably X5, there are several things to consider.  One, we're dealing with new viral strains, which could be tailored to have different effects.  Two, we're dealing with a different Zero body; the X1 body may have never been intended to awaken but could instead be a safeguard to perfect Zero's consciousness without unleashing his full power too soon.  Three, for all his power and seeming evilness, Awakened Zero is not in the least aggressive, challenging X openly, waiting for him, and caring nothing for the other conflicts of the world.  If the virus's effect is read not as allegiance, but as curbing Zero's emotions, then the effect remains constant: Zero's emotions growing progressively less severe from flashback, to Hunter, to Awakened.  From raging out of control, to balanced, to indifferent.

That's certainly all true. But even with different viruses in play, and the change to Zero's body. There's another question brought up; why is the reaction toward normal Repliroids and Mechaniroids always the same? Perhaps it's time to reevaluate the reason for Three Keys to bring up X's suffering circuit in a predominantly Zero orientated explanation?

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 16, 2010, 11:01:54 PM »

For that matter we as players would not know that it wasn't an isolated incident if not for Inti telling us, twice.  Gate's infection is in the aftermath of a tremendous viral assault on Zero.  That Zero's infection is contagious following that is no small stretch; that it is so on a regular basis is not something that even we as players would have established without MMZOCW and the Zero Collection website.

That's true in a way, but there's something to be said for "a normal virus dies with its host", which didn't happen in Zero's case.

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 16, 2010, 10:34:06 PM »

but drawing and sharing inspirations is irrelevant to whether or not the certain games tie into an ordered system.

That wasn't my point, though. With a split timeline, the ZERO-series backstory and the current storyline arc in the X-series would occur in the same span of time. In that span of time, the major elements which are reused from X8/XCM to ZXA, from ZERO to X8/XCM, very much acknowledge a similar history, even if there are key differences. We can never see X7~XCM as wholly mutually exclusive from ZERO/ZX.

The mere fact that Zero exists separate from the Nightmare invalidates Isoc's announcement.

Exactly, and the Zero Nightmare was destroyed by X, who wanted to clear his friend's name. You'd think any negative opinions about Zero would be thrown out the window by that point.

cannot accommodate the final key (the discovery of Zero spreading the virus) leading to Zero's seal.

I think this part is very important, as it is the one aspect that only we as the player saw. Nobody else knows the source for Gate's irregularity.

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X / Re: Zero turned good by the Sigma Virus

« on: April 16, 2010, 09:55:20 PM »

Personally I think this newly released summary is similar to the "three keys" section of MMZOCW: storyline material that was in the early stages of the series but ultimately abandoned.

I don't think taking the summary in such a way fits with the way they referenced Rockman10. There's no way they could have taken into account a virus from space during the early stages of the ZERO-series' development.

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X / Zero turned good by the Sigma Virus

« on: April 16, 2010, 05:13:58 PM »

As we all know, the story summary on the ZERO collection site has given us some brand new info covering three series.

http://www.themmnetwork.com/2010/04/09/does-the-rockman-zero-collection-storyline-explain-everything/

Said info having put the status of X7, 8 and CM into question. But let's ignore that here and focus on one particularly controversial statement in the summary; the details behind Zero's change of allegiance and the origins of Sigma Virus in relation to that.

Relevant quotes on this subject are:

Sigma Virus
Zero was the first repliroid to be infected with the Sigma Virus but
Zero which was developed by Wily to be a completely evil repliroid,
despite being infected by Sigma Virus isn't transformed into an irregular, [instead]
was reborn as a good repliroid.

1XX years ago
The birth of Zero

Zero was produced by Dr. Wily, who schemed at taking over the world. But he contained a flaw in his cognitive program that made him violent and unwilling to obey instructions, so Dr. Wily himself sealed Zero in a capsule.

1XX years ago
The Sigma Virus outbreak

A subspecies of the terrible computer virus from long ago is generated, and begins driving robots mad locally. The human leadership acknowledges these infected robots as Mavericks, and orders them to be disposed of. The source was found to be an unknown computer virus that had prevailed over 100 years ago emerging from the capsule Zero slumbered in. Later, this virus was named the Sigma Virus, after the Reploid “Sigma” who led a revolt against the human leadership.

1XX years ago
Zero awakens

Receiving information of Zero awakening from his capsule and causing violence, the Maverick Hunter Sigma finds and intercepts him. during this incident, Sigma is infected by the unknown computer virus leaking out from Zero’s capsule, but at the same time Zero, having his armor damaged in the battle with Sigma, also becomes infected with the virus. Due to this, Zero’s personality completely changed, and he would turn to working as a Maverick Hunter.

There are quite a couple of paradoxical implications in the aforementioned info. Most of all being how the virus would affect Zero to become good, even though X2 and X5 use the same virus in a completely different manner.

Given the paragraph on Zero's creation, it seems the immediate implication here is that Zero was intended to have Sigma Virus used on him to counter the flaw in his cognitive program, which seemingly worked, but not completely in the manner Wily wanted it. However that only opens a whole slew of other matters to address.

Why is Zero not infected until after Sigma damages him, even though the virus originates from his capsule? How is Zero the first infected when the virus was already infecting Repliroids prior to his awakening and turning them into the first irregulars? Not to mention the extremely close time proximity in which Sigma himself got awakened.

Not only that, but why is the capsule implicated as the origin of the virus here? This appears to contradict quite a lot of what we know. Sigma's statement to Zero in X8 comes immediately to mind but also:

Rockman X4 Himitsu Daizukan
ゼロのイレギュラーのウイルスにおかされて、シグマは、じゃあくになってしまう。
Invaded by Zero's irregular virus, Sigma became evil.

Rockman Perfect Memories:
Exactly what kinds of secrets are sleeping in Zero's past?
Zero has almost no memory of the past.  However, sometimes he seems to see a person resembling Dr. Wily in his dreams.  And it's also said that Zero was born with the Sigma Virus already inside of him. His creation is it actually to battle with whom?  One would never think it was for justice, however...
X: He was made by Dr. Right.  Will the time for his fated battle with Zero come?
Dr. Wily: The one who put the Sigma Virus in Zero is, perhaps him......

Interview with Inafune:
Sigma and Zero basically represent the idea that nothing is absolute. Sigma was a powerful leader of the Maverick Hunters but after Zero passed the virus to him, his allegiance changed.  Circumstances can change anything, and nothing is absolute.

So all in all, there's a lot we have to reconcile here. I'm personally thinking Zero's natural virus immunity lies at the root of all this, but I'd like to hear other people's thoughts about this subject.

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X / Re: i wanna play as sigma

« on: April 16, 2010, 01:51:05 PM »

Retcons? what, you mean the new stuff they revealed?

No, even more than that.

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X / Re: i wanna play as sigma

« on: April 16, 2010, 03:33:42 AM »

In all seriousness, I have always thought it would be a cool Idea. maybe a pre- Zero game, AKA before he gets the virus, and before he fights Zero. maybe halfway in he fights Zero, and after that it shows what goes through his head throughout the game until he finally decides on his DoS plan of action.

You wouldn't be able to handle the retcons.

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 13, 2010, 08:07:12 PM »

Now we're told in an official capacity that Zero was turned good by the virus.

We're told in an official capacity "in more detail", might I add. At times, we should accept where vagueness exists. Instead of debating ourselves into contradiction. This time around we're given vital pieces of info that allow us to make sense of the "turned good by the virus" scenario". A particular contribution being the reason for Zero's sealing. We should still however reconcile that with X5, which at face value implicates the complete opposite happening.

In other aspects of this site's summary, details are sorely absent, though. And it's the lack of details that's causing contradictions such as Light's age at the time of X's creation. Reconciled with our understanding of the series, we take it to mean that Light incorporated the virus countermeasure idea because of events similar to Rockman10's, into the project to create X, which was already conceptualized as early as Power Battle, but would not be completed for such a long time that Dr. Light would die of old age shortly following X's completion.

All in all, there are times when we shouldn't get so stuck up on worded implications of time; it IS just a summary, it condenses time by its very definition.

And to be fair, the idea they are either purposefully or accidentally presenting there should be explored rather than outright denied.

And the opposite is also true; we shouldn't outright deny the relevance of these games toward the ZERO-series, in a either a split or non-split timeline for that matter. Whether a split has occurred or not, even if that future is never ever reached; the ZERO-series influences the elements of the X-series, and the X-series influences them right back. Even if an alternate one, these visions of the past and future paint each other. From the appearance of Orbital Elevators in X to the use of copy abilities in ZX and so on.

We're talking about the same Inti that created a timeline split right off the bat for ZX?

But also the same Inti that desperately included X6 into a story which was supposed to go from X5. Strange they would turn things up side down for one X game, then not bother with subsequent X-series titles at all...

they're having more trouble with accepting things the virus coming from Zero's capsule and turning Zero good, Ciel needing her visor to interact with Cyber Elves, and the Big 4 being parts recent reincarnations of X's partitioned soul than they are dealing with the snubbing of the late X series.,

Well, they're not the ones with the fanbase that jumps at every chance to disown games they don't like. I'm fine with the notion of a split timeline, what I'm not fine with is the childish attitude the fanbase has taken here. As I said before, even if we go with a spit timeline, events highly similar to the continuing X-series have to happen anyway; we can never fully disregard the games, not even with a split.

As for all the other problems, pretty much the same things we're dealing with it seems. Though, I think a couple of those ideas might have existed all along. The Big4 and X's soul fragmenting seems very much like an afterthought, but... the details behind Zero turning good; something tells me Inti wasn't the one that thought that one up.

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 13, 2010, 03:04:32 AM »

That would all be fine and dandy, if there weren't still some conflicting implications. One such example would be the Creation of the Big 4 presented here, which conflicts with their Shining Arms in particular. In the way it's presented here, it seems that the Big 4 were created after the Elf Wars, although beforehand it was implicated that they were fighting in said wars. There's still kinks Inti/Capcom needs to work out.

The Shining Arms were specifically used by the "top irregular hunter(s)" of the irregular wars. X wielded at least two of them. And the Big4 are made from his soul, DNA, parts. If not Neo Arcadian propaganda, the Shining Arms are more than likely wielded by X. If not other wielders.

Which brings me back to my initial point again... I personally don't care what they say outside of the games, because it's all subject to change. All your reasoning doesn't change this fact.

It's different when said information is officially released, though. I can see interviews changing whenever, but not actual information accompanying a game release.

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 12, 2010, 09:35:26 PM »

But does that mean Inti didn't consider making it so?

Considering Inti said the complete opposite in this summary, it never crossed their mind. Rather, the opposite, Sigma Virus countermeasures in X, who's the originator of the suffering circuit. Of course, there's a lot to say for the fact that other Repliroids lack these countermeasures, and have a less than perfect suffering circuit.

There's a ton of what abouts. What about the statements that said Sigma got the Virus directly from Zero? That Wily inserted the virus into Zero, and that Zero was initially the only one infected? What about Zero being a robot like X sealed 100 years ago?

If the statements are not written as in-story rumors or out of story speculation, then it should not be ignored. The 1XX years ago statement sounds far too much like a small labeling error if all those sources truly exist.

Also, I have some doubts about the way these sources are written as a historical retrospective from the conclusion of the ZERO-series' point of view. What with all the "political propaganda" and "lost centuries of history" that exists within the system and follows Neo Arcadia's destruction. It'd all be much nicer if it just made use of the familiar "20XX", "21XX", "22XX" method, as if those weren't vague enough.

A retcon is a retcon.

The reason for retcon is to cancel out contradictions, that doesn't mean we as fans have to go about and make those contradictions ourselves. Only when things are absolutely written into a corner is retcon a mandatory answer. As long as we can reason our way out of that corner, then we should do so, and not invoke the name of retcon. Bringing up retcon here is just a cop-out excuse for angry gamers to vent their frustrations at the course a story has taken with its elements.

If that was true, there wouldn't be any confusion and "what about". At base value, people have to scramble around to make sense of it.

In referring specifically to Inti's story, it solves the following three matters:
-Founding of Neo Arcadia
-Creation of Big4
-Yggdrasil sealing

Which were previously the three biggest unknowns with numerous of conflicting implications.

The existence of X7 and beyond as canon to the ZERO-series is up to the X-series to wholly decide. As it is the one that is still ongoing; the way it takes its course can make or break its connection to the known future.

As for the whole details revolving around Zero's turning good? I honestly don't think the exact technobabble behind it matters in the grand scheme of things, as long as we acknowledge basic cause and effect of both the events stated here, and the events of X5.

I stopped caring about these shenanigans right around the whole "Dr. Light made the virus" fiasco that so many people (including yourself, I do believe) spread around

The moment of the RZOCW fiasco, I was out of the country, and had to deal with all that crap after the fact. At which point I immediately demanded an direct quote of the line that supposedly said such. The info then spread by MMN was simply their own interpretation quickly summarized, whereas the actual text is not at all that specific. Not to mention the complete disregard, at that time, for the "may not be canon"disclaimer that preceded that information.

After obtaining the direct translations of the text, I have since promoted an interpretation most in line with established canon, which in the case of major contradictions, does not retcon the canon due to the disclaimer that precedes it.

About the matter of Light creating the Virus, the text itself says that the true essence of Sigma Virus is a "suffering circuit" Right included into X. Before it goes on to explain what exactly a "suffering circuit" does within a Reploid. Then explaining this stuff about how Zero was first infected with the Sigma Virus and how Zero being an evil Reploid made by Wily was turned good by the Sigma Virus and spread it around the world, causing his admittance into the research institute.

Whenever the matter of "true essence of Sigma Virus" comes up, I say this: "whatever that means". It's a vague mention of a relation between two concepts that are each other's polar opposites. The "suffering circuit" causes X's "worrying", which is the root cause of his free will, which Sigma Virus stands opposite to. None of that says Light made the Virus. And the summary we have before us today pretty much denies that very idea.

It was all a case of jumping to conclusions without having a proper translation for everyone to judge by. And now we do have a proper translation for all to judge by.

The way I see it, it'll change again at some point, no matter how small the detail it may be. All these extra things we don't see happen in games are strongly subject to change, so I find it better just to focus on the stuff in the games themselves.

Doesn't really work that way when people's conclusion jumping leads to whole games being supposedly retconned out.

If we want it to really be disproven, we need a game that shows the creation of Zero outright and what Dr. Wily first did with him rather than all this "and then a century later" murkiness.

We saw that in X4; created in his capsule and sealed away immediately following that. Didn't stop people from inventing the cataclysm to begin with.

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Original / Re: Mega Man 10 stage route.

« on: April 12, 2010, 08:13:58 PM »

Mmm, I don't think so. No matter what, Pump seems to be the best to do first. Especially when you're Bass, he can shoot through Water Shield easier than the others.

Too bad PumpMan can be a major pain until you get used to the way his water shield is fired. Mind you, I beat his Hard Mode Gold Challenge, but prior to tackling the challenges, I wouldn't have considered Pump a very good first adversary.

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 12, 2010, 01:11:15 AM »

She asked an electronic elf, "Is there hope for us anywhere?" She felt the elf's whisper echo in her heart. She knew she must investigate the "historic ruins."

So, what does Passy know about Zero?

When RZOCW came out and MMN (or was it Heat Man?) translated the three keys, and things like the virus turning Zero good, everyone said there's no way that what was written there was what they could have meant, it must have been poorly worded, or poorly translated. But it wasn't--that was literally what Inti meant to convey, and it is conveyed here again.

But Right didn't make the virus!

he only thing that can settle this (or make things even more confusing) is for us to receive more information.

What about the statement in RPM about X7 and being in the ZERO-series?

I would rather acknowledge that maybe the wording sounds so much like Zero sealed himself after X6 because that is exactly what they are trying to say.

Meaning X was created immediately after Rockman10, despite Dr. Right's age? Meaning Zero was made 1XX years before the ZERO-series?

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Original / Re: Rockman 7/8 FC (Spoilers)

« on: April 12, 2010, 12:15:30 AM »

That includes the original Rush abilities, and not cutting stages in half.

I don't think you entirely get what is meant by what the NES can and cannot do. Those Rush abilities and stages are wholly possible on NES.

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Fan Games / Re: Mega Man Unlimited

« on: April 11, 2010, 08:05:04 PM »

But I have a nasty feeling we'll have the same trouble with MM11 that we had with 10.

You should take official boss names into account up to the moment of final release. It's just silly to use the same name as one from an official game released earlier than your own. But after your own game's release, any identical names by Capcom afterward can't adjusted for anymore. So, just get it released before R11 and you're all good.

As for BlastMan, there already was a BlastMan in EXE, but Capcom has yet to use any of the EXE exclusive bosses in classic.

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 11, 2010, 05:50:52 PM »

In light of MMZOCW's timeline, that can only be true if said revelation explains where Weil and Cyber-Elves have been since X6, very hard to do given that the Elf Wars are supposed to be named for Cyber-Elf abuse yet unseen.

I was thinking XCM, rather than X7~8. In which a long uncertain time has passed and is thus more in jeopardy in relation to this summary. Sure, it takes MMOZCW's "Zero awakens in a copy body" statement very loosely, but I don't see why Zero can't be fighting in a new body whilst the studied on his original body continue to lead toward Cyber Elves, or this Zero being another copy without the original mind. Ideas like that are quite out there, yes I know. But it's something to keep in mind whenever subsequent X-series title write themselves into a corner that will once again bring forth this same discussion. For all people claiming Inti is supposedly retconning the X-series, the X-series retconning Inti isn't out of the question.

As for Dr. Vile. In a post sealing time, we'd have that question regardless. Given Dr. Vile's age at the time of Elf Wars, he could very well already be around. There simply isn't focus on the non-combatants. Just look at how little we even know of that one Repliroid that sealed Zero away. Perhaps these characters will finally be introduced through the New Generation plotline.

Actually, X's capsule was opened considerably long after the 30 years were up.  X was born "2XX years ago".  Zero was born "1XX years ago".

Not to mention the "approximately 100 years" in all X-series sources combined with "all indicators are green, it should be safe to open."

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 11, 2010, 03:22:34 PM »

But seriously, the way they write the part with the nightmare and Zero sealing, they make it sound like they are two consecutive events, one after the other.

They also wrote X was created immediately following Rockman8 or Rockman10. We know that ain't true. But it does get the point across of cause and effect. With Zero's sealing it simply means the Nightmare Incident was the reason for it. The sealing will happen whenever the truth about that incident is revealed to the world.

Besides, even IF Zero did seal himself away immediately following the Nightmare Incident, that does not stop the current story arc from making a major revelation about the Zero we're playing as. For all we know we've been playing as the copy for a while now.

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Fan Games / Re: Mega Girl Roll (Work in Progress)

« on: April 11, 2010, 02:17:11 PM »

since in total are 15 colors.

It's not how many colors you have, it's how you use them.

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 11, 2010, 02:09:28 PM »

So it happened a little late...

Sorry, but an uncontrollable Zero can't be ordered to cause the cataclysm against a non-existent enemy.

Normal people wouldn't get that from the wording. Actually, im sure if all of that were worded much better, it would all make a heck of a lot more sense.

I still find it funny that people are still surprised when Capcom/Inti shows that they're just making it up as they go along. They're trying to make it be more sensical, but are clearly doing quite the opposite.

I honestly don't see how this all doesn't make sense. They solved all the big issues in the timeline with this summary.

what that needs, is a proper rewriting.

More like, it needs fans that don't try to disown games whenever they get the chance.

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 11, 2010, 03:28:38 AM »

Sorry, but birth of Zero is 1XX years ago. The wrong century to cause the cataclysm.

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 10, 2010, 08:15:35 PM »

And why we can't just wait for the english release and play it ourselves ?

Because it has nothing to do with the info being on their official site now?

I did translate Zero's RTRZ bio a while ago, I thought I posted it here, but I'll do it again.

Maybe I missed it... Thanks.

I don't think I ever did Ciel's profile though. My CDs are boxed up somewhere. I don't suppose Rodrigo has the text for that one shifting around in his bottomless pockets...?

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Gaming / Re: BEST and WORST games you've ever played?

« on: April 10, 2010, 05:06:13 PM »

I'm not a Metroid fan, the navigation was a big pain in the butt, I die and die constantly,

Yet you list a Castleroid as best?

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 10, 2010, 04:46:38 PM »

edit: Trans is done, maybe not my best work but I'm too tired to proofread myself any more for now. This ought to do, anyway.

Very much thanks for the translation, Marshmallow Man! There are a couple of points where you should read it over again, though...

"he crushed Omega held the world in a grip of fear"
"she takes helps the cyber elves"

And a few other such cases. Still, very much appreciated!

"The Legendary Blue Messiah" X
The legendary blue repliroid and ruler of Neo Arcadia who symbolizes "infinite potential" and a "purveyor of justice" for all.
Though he had done so for the sake of peace, he often worried over having to destroy his fellow repliroids during the long confrontations of the "Irregular Wars", a condition which went mostly unchanged even after Zero went to sleep following the Nightmare Incident.
In the closing period of the Irregular Wars (later referred to as the Elf Wars), X cooperated with Zero who had acquired a copy body to capture the Dark Elf, and arranged to use his anti-virus countermeasure to seal her within his own body.
When he sealed the Dark Elf, the shock forced X's soul from his body and split it into 5 cyber elves. Eventually, 4 of these souls were incorporated into the Shitennou of Neo Arcadia, while one continued to wander the earth.

I think this profile requires some reevaluation of the profiles from RTRZ, particularly the Big4's. Things like their reasons for creation, and Phantom's unit being "X's personal safeguards" being of high note.

Speaking of RTRZ... sorry if this sounds greedy... But you translated the Big4 profiles before, but never got around to Zero's and Ciel's. It'd be nice if you could translate those too. In trying to reconcile all this new stuff, I feel it might be best if we had more comprehensive translated resources at our disposal.

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Fan Games / Re: Mega Man Unlimited

« on: April 10, 2010, 04:36:27 PM »

And that simple authentic look is part of the Famicom Rockman charm. If you don't want that charm, you might as well make it more like Megaworld.

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X / Re: X7-X8 never happend?

« on: April 10, 2010, 03:20:43 AM »

I don't have a problem with Cain's equipment being weirdly old, but I do wonder how long Light and Wily are living. Does Light seem 100 years old in the Day of Sigma? That'd be about what he'd need to be...

Two things you could do, I suppose; take "100 years" from classic to X with a lot of leeway, or assume 200X was retconned by Rockman Rockman. Compendium of RockmanX states "approximately" and "about" 100 years, though. But, I seem to distinctly recall some mentions of it having to be "more than/at least" 100 years.

Thinking back I felt like there was something somewhere that made it seem like Wily completed Zero before death, but I can't figure what if anything concrete led me to that impression. I guess I'll dig for it later.

Like with the other reference, I think there was a recent statement in regards to the timeframe when Wily sealed Zero, but I can't remember where I would find such a quote.

For now, I was just thinking about how apparently the Big 4 must have never met X while he was physically alive, and while that might make sense as to why they followed Copy X so willingly, I'm a bit confused by how intimate a relationship they seem to share with the real one in the drama tracks. It seemed like they had more of a mutual history than that.

I know you hear this request a lot, but at the moment all people that can't read Japanese are kinda out of the loop. Would you be willing to supply us with translations of the relevant character biographies? From your posts, the facts contained therein seem quite interesting.

On the Big4 note, though, some rethinking of the "Shining Arms" is now in order. Much like the time placement of X's seal remains a constant point of question. That would make them very very young, and incapable of fighting in Elf Wars.

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News and Announcements / Re: Rockman Zero Collection Official Website goes live!!

« on: April 10, 2010, 03:09:52 AM »

I think there's a bit of leeway on the order of certain parts. But there's no going around the "1XX". Time is counted from the ZERO-series back.