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Fan Creations / Re: Nebula ★ Black's Cola Machine

« on: July 25, 2010, 10:18:04 PM »

Or simply StingMan.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 25, 2010, 09:57:56 PM »

How about we never speak of him again?

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Gaming / Re: Legend of Zelda - The official Zelda thread

« on: July 25, 2010, 09:45:26 PM »

My question is, what did Link do with the Master Sword at the end?

The Master Sword was put back in its pedestal in the woods, near the ruins of the Temple of Time.

I'm sure that the game is pre-Ocarina of Time, and not post-Wind Waker.

Point being, that before the direct confirmation, there was some room for doubt given the post Wind Waker need for a new Master Sword. With the confirmation, that doubt entirely vanishes.

Yes, you all left out one crucial fact, Spirit Tracks. Spirit Tracks is post-Wind Waker. Not to mention, I do believe that the WW timeline was better suited for the DS, as one of Nintendo's officials said.

Trains are not a requirement for a title after Spirit Tracks, though. At any given point the tracks can vanish, and for all we know, there are already games that come after Spirit Tracks; a large list of candidates already exist. (Though all those candidates can also be moved after Twilight, and some before Ocarina.)

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Fan Creations / Re: Nebula ★ Black's Cola Machine

« on: July 25, 2010, 02:40:53 PM »

I think NB's last two designs would have been better received had he given them a more obvious mechanical appearance and feel. The way he detailed them make me thing more of stones and minerals than the clean and shiny metal surfaces found in Rockman.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 25, 2010, 02:18:43 PM »

Also like to activate the R.O.C.K. System via ROCK ON! to become a MegaMan (it may not be in any text script but it is what the U.S. ZX wound up with vocally).

That's very Mega of you, I mean Rocking.

Sound logic, but I reject your premise.  I cannot agree with your examining conceptual validity based on paragraph spacing rather than on a point-by-point basis.  It's senseless.  Line spacing establishes related information but says nothing as to how, and therefore, in and of itself does not establish any dependency.

Not just the line spacing, but also the dependency within the text itself. Many facts simply do not make sense without the preceding ones. Case in point, Zero being turned good by the virus without the mention of his programming flaw. Which is why we had so many issues with just Three Keys.

Now that we have additional information to elaborate on otherwise fragmented materials, we should not disregard it unless a later release directly contradicts the information.

"Not denied" does not equal "confirmed" however, thus the disclaimer remains in effect and should be reiterated when offering the Three Keys as a source.

Thing is, you were citing a comparison between the two concepts in order to outright deny aspects of Three Keys. That comparison is invalid because we do not know the extent of the changes Aizu mentioned. Fact of the matter is that nothing in Three Keys has yet been denied, only confirmed and unconfirmed. The Dark Elf's Sigma Virus relation can still be entirely true, regardless of Aizu's words.  In fact even if Aizu meant exactly that part having changed, until we have a valid explanation to replace it, Inti can always go back and reintroduce concepts that once were. Likewise, Inti can at any point validate every aspect of Three Keys, just as much as they can invalidate the remaining unknowns.

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X / Re: Do you like Axl?

« on: July 23, 2010, 08:19:57 PM »

You don't need to sacrifice it, you simply just don't get near Gospel after he teleports in. The same works for Blues.

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Zero / Re: Zero series: Why was it so successful?

« on: July 23, 2010, 08:31:55 AM »

As in the X series and even the classic series, the opinions of human residents remained unaccounted for.

Both the original X and MHX give some valuable insight into the humans, though. Mentioning the human council in the former, the latter showing a small glimpse of their coexistence and hinting at the human fear and immaturity of a century ago.

As Neige put it well in her report, (or was it the journalist from Vile's Incident, I don't recall anymore), humans simply stood by and watched as robots fought out their wars.

Neige outright mentions the situation in ZERO4's intro. Though Montagne did highlight several of the same issues to lie at the root of Vile's Incident.

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Zero / Re: Audio Dramas...

« on: July 23, 2010, 08:25:25 AM »

(Will2: Light and Shadow)

Phantom: ...My darkness... serves no other light than yours. Is the truth of his blade enough to protect humans and repliroids...? All I am able to do... is merely to ascertain this truth for myself. If I once again... become to the blade...
Cyber X: You never change... do you.
Phantom: One who changes easily can never be called loyal.
Cyber X: I understand. I trust in that unwavering heart of yours. Trust in me, as well. Zero will surely overcome anything.
Cyber X: This feeling... it must be them.
Phantom: Have they been defeated by Omega...?
Cyber X: I fear you may be right... Let's go, Phantom.
Phantom: By your will.

Fafnir: Hey! What will you do, Phantom?
Phantom: The darkness drifts my decission. There are times here when it
should form in me.

Fafnir: Hey! What're you gonna do, Phantom?
Phantom: My destiny drifts in the darkness. There is still something that I must do here.

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Gaming / Re: Legend of Zelda - The official Zelda thread

« on: July 22, 2010, 02:17:40 PM »

Saying the Skyward Sword becomes the Master Sword did not by definition make it an Ocarina prequel. With the Master Sword being lost below the Great Sea within Ganon's stone encased body, a retrieval, or recreation of the blade of evil's bane was also a possibility. As such, there were two possibly placements. Though confirmed to be true now, immediately stating it as a pre-Ocarina title was be getting ahead of oneself.

Either way, with the pre-Ocarina placement now undeniably confirmed, one can't help but hope for further exploration of the many concepts only vaguely alluded to in Ocarina and Twilight, much like how Ocarina was based on the classic story of Ganon being sealed into the Dark World once Sacred Realm.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 21, 2010, 08:42:00 AM »

I disagree.  X having a perfect virus countermeasure is in no way related to the Nightmare or to Project Elpizo.  Neither are the latter two related to each other.

I think you're missing the point in that these four separate matters are cross-referenced by other sources, and from there, feel in the gaps between themselves. It's simply how these matters require the rest of the text as build-up or explanation, which validates a large majority, of not all of it.

X's perfect virus countermeasures validates X's creation paragraph, whereas Zero's turning good and Omega's imperfect virus countermeasures effectively validates the entire section from Zero's creation to his turning good, albeit not every detail, it doesn't make sense without the added explanation. From there, we have several paragraphs which are indisputably true, then the Nightmare Incident which is once again cross-referenced in X's profile, some more indisputable paragraphs, and eventually Project Elpis being cross-referenced by TK-31's profile.

The only potentially questionable aspect that remains lies with some of the details; but those are details repeated over and over again, to the point the entire narrative demands on it.

All in all, I'd say only the 1XX years ago is truly in question; having no context to explain the discrepancy.

As I said in my last post...

Speculation.  By saying "not necessarily", you render your own point moot.  You cannot discredit information simply because your own optional interpretation doesn't fit.

That I'm speculating is exactly the point; just as you are. Because, there are several details mentioned by Aizu not in Three Keys. Yes, several details ended up changing, but we simply do not know that it were the same points as in Three Keys which were changed later on. Aizu's interview and Three Keys together do not confirm or deny these being the same concept, or them being different parts of Dark Elf's concept phase. Concept is not a static thing; it evolves over time. Someone like Dr. Vile who had many different concepts should highlight that.

Like you yourself said:
"You cannot discredit information simply because your own optional interpretation doesn't fit."

We're going off on a tangent, though.  Because regardless of Aizu's words, that the Three Keys disclaimer exists cannot be denied, and as such, information from the Three Keys cannot stand as fact without support from another source.

Though the disclaimer exists, but there's nothing at current that outright denies any aspect of Three Keys; Inti saying it "may not" be canon does not exclude it from being all canon, just as much as certain key points may eventually turn out to be false, they may also turn out to be true. Which is why I objected to relating Dark Elf's Three Key concept to Aizu's words.

What they need to do, is stop trying to suck up to Megaman 2, and just try something new already.

In my opinion, sucking up to Rockman2 AND Rockman WAS trying something new. Remember that "retro" was once new in a world which was all high definition and 3D. Likewise, with the introduction of slide and charge as early as the third and fourth games, the series was never able to explore the original gameplay concepts in full. By making these games to that original standard whilst incorporating their vast amount of experience with newer titles, both Rockman9 and Rockman10 were able to achieve things previously unprecedented in the series.

It's simply the case that Inti failed to add unlockable features outside of the core game without having to rely on downloads. Rockman9 and Rockman10 sorely needed something akin to RockmanS and RockmanC from Rockman Rockman. The means to eventually upgrade the gameplay to more modern standards, without taking away from the balance created by the Rockman2 base.

not just that, imagine the overall complexity they CAN have. multiple floors and pathways, with powerups and stuff on them. Yknow, give the impression of an ACTUAL futuristic building or something. to get that one capsule you see up on a ledge, you would have to find a way to get up there.

Play more Metroid Prime?

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 21, 2010, 01:22:41 AM »

I recall a great deal of confusion as to the nature of Sigma's infection.

I grant you that, but only in the matter of something 'more' happening than what the timeline describes, as shown in X4 and implicated by both Sigma and Inafune. Not something that's in conflict with Sigma's described infection; simply an omission, like the text has many similar omissions.

Also some juicy new details as to Project Elpizo, never previously mentioned in any source.  And I LOVE IT, mind you, and would die to hear more, but that doesn't mean it isn't subject to change.  Especially if for reasons unknown to us CoJ is trying to unsee it.

Project Elpis details were recited in character profiles. If I recall correctly, Elpis' and maybe Omega's too. Noting that Project Elpis is the use of Dark Elf with Omega to control all Repliroids.

Irrelevant.  Cross-referencing only establishes validity when it involves two different sources.  If you CANNOT cross-reference within the same source, you have a very shitty source.

X5 as a game is a shitty source on the virus awakening Zero because nothing else cross-references that subject?

Thing is, the Zero collection timeline is not a small thing, it is several entries which tell a complete story from start to finish. Within that story, a lot of matters are recited, and many points which are cross-referenced in the character profiles simply depend on the whole. The cross-referenced points such as Zero sealing himself as a result of the Nightmare Incident, X's perfect virus countermeasures, Zero turning good and Project Elpis simply cannot entirely stand alone.

I provided quotes that parallel the exact same information.  Aizu is not going to restate the whole section, so of course it doesn't "wholly match".  What in his statement DOESN'T match?

In the interview it is said that Mother Elf was created as a Cyber-elf with the ability to control Reploids. Being made from the Sigma Virus, with some of the negative properties of the Sigma Virus transferred during the process, she became Dark Elf.

Aizu said several details changed; not specifying which.

Three Keys simply states an aspect of Sigma Virus in her creation, and that overwhelming her.

We know Mother Elf is NOT created to be Cyber-elf with the ability to control Reploids (though Dark Elf) is; Mother elf was creation as an anti-virus. Furthermore, though not necessarily, the text seemingly implicates the corruption to Dark Elf as upon birth, which we also know is not true.

Neither of these untrue details are mentioned in Tree Keys. The only correlation is the matter of Sigma Virus as part of her creation, and that aspect being related to her change of Dark Elf. However, as we already have some changed details spotted in Aizu's words; we cannot conclude whether all of it is was changed, or just the aforementioned details.

As such, with Dr. Vile's "curse" in mind, nothing exists to confirm or deny the nature of that being what Three Keys and Aizu explained.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 21, 2010, 12:55:05 AM »

The virus relates to Zero.  The suffering circuit relates to the virus.  That the connection is there cannot be denied, I merely called to question whether it is direct or indirect.

Hence, there's 'somehow' a relation, which is easily lost by word twisting the likes of which Udon did. Who knows what that relation is. In the case of the removed mention of Repliroids; just as it is important to not create selectivity when there is ambiguity, it is also important not to create ambiguity when there's selectivity.

Example: Zero's creation 1XX years ago.  We ALL had a field day with that one.

But do we have anything else aside from the 1XX label to call into question? The timeline cross-referenced itself on many occasions, and is on many cases cross-referenced in the character profiles. I think it pretty much comes down to just that 1XX label being the only thing with cross-reference.

Aizu's own words directly state that Dark Elf's origins, more specifically the functions of her transformation to Dark Elf as stated in Three Keys, are invalid. 

He does not. The account by Aizu does not wholly match with Three Keys; we cannot confirm they are the same.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 21, 2010, 12:49:32 AM »

That's speculation.  Reploids are derivative works from X whereas Zero is not.  It could just be bad spacing.

You say that as if there's any point to including the suffering circuit mention unless it somehow relates to Zero and Omega. Keeping in mind the point of Three Keys.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 21, 2010, 12:40:28 AM »

which incidentally CoJ has since pulled from the internet

But is still referenced partially within their character profiles...

By the way, ever notice Capcom of America made their own version of that site?
http://megaman.capcom.com/mmzc/

I get the impression they either directly swiped Marshmallow's RTRZ translations for their big four profiles, or went to MegaMan Network.

Fans jumped to conclusions with early impressions of the Three Keys leading to the nonsense of "Light created the virus"

Udon didn't quite help to let that nonsense conclusion die in a fire.

which made its way into a few gaming websites (for that matter so did the notion of post-X5 games being non-canonical, which the Zero Collection timeline directly refutes).

Just X6... And you know how gaming sites are. Or even gaming magazines for that matter. Aarf!

They're basically not touching the issue of how well the "Suffering Circuit" was copied to other Reploids.

The original doesn't either; but it at least mentions its existence in Repliroids. Which is somehow related to the point of calling Zero an evil Repliroid within the same text.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 21, 2010, 12:22:53 AM »

As Gonzo is unfamiliar with the Three Keys, Zan, you should probably point out that Three Keys carried the caution that it was concept info and may not be canonical (Udon allegedly chose a more definitive translation figuring that the disclaimer would be enough).  Zero-series concept includes such things as the original X being the villain, so while Three Keys offered some valuable developer insight, it was NEVER meant to be taken without a shaker of salt in either region.

Despite the disclaimer, a good 70% or so has been confirmed outside of Three Keys, though.

I dunno, the original text about the virus turning Zero good seems to go against established fact, too. They both imply a canceling out of evil, I think. Then again, I could be (and probably am) wrong.

Before 2010, this would be the case. Then we got this info:


    At least 200 years ago
    The birth of X
    When an incident occurred where an unknown computer virus came from space and causes robots to become violent and riotous, Dr. Light completed the battle robot “X” worrying about the future of Earth. Hypothesizing X could battle robots infected by viruses, he gave X the perfect virus counter-measure. Meanwhile Dr. Light developed a great number of armors, but this presented the possibility of X becoming a threat to mankind. To confirm the safety of X’s cognition program, Dr. Light sealed away X in an analysis capsule.

    1XX years ago
    The birth of Zero
    Zero was produced by Dr. Wily, who schemed at taking over the world. But he contained a flaw in his cognitive program that made him violent and unwilling to obey instructions, so Dr. Wily himself sealed Zero in a capsule.

    1XX years ago
    The Sigma Virus outbreak
    A subspecies of the terrible computer virus from long ago is generated, and begins driving robots mad locally. The human leadership acknowledges these infected robots as Mavericks, and orders them to be disposed of. The source was found to be an unknown computer virus that had prevailed over 100 years ago emerging from the capsule Zero slumbered in. Later, this virus was named the Sigma Virus, after the Reploid “Sigma” who led a revolt against the human leadership.

    1XX years ago
    Zero awakens
    Receiving information of Zero awakening from his capsule and causing violence, the Maverick Hunter Sigma finds and intercepts him. during this incident, Sigma is infected by the unknown computer virus leaking out from Zero’s capsule, but at the same time Zero, having his armor damaged in the battle with Sigma, also becomes infected with the virus. Due to this, Zero’s personality completely changed, and he would turn to working as a Maverick Hunter.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 20, 2010, 11:58:58 PM »

I don't remember that part...

Get equipped with the Zero-collection official site timeline.

It may just be my crappy memory, but I don't think I've heard anything about that "Three Keys" bit; what was the Udon translator's interpretation?

Marshmallowman's translation:
Sigma Virus
The dreadful Sigma Virus that transforms Repliroid to Irregular.
The true form of which, was a suffering circuit Right inserted into X during the time of his creation.
A Repliroid which possesses a suffering circuit,
in regards to a society where humans and Repliroids coexist,
so as to be biased towards neither side,
it is fated always to worry continuously as to which side it should stand upon.
Zero was the first Repliroid to be infected with the Sigma Virus but
Zero which was developed by Wily to be a completely evil Repliroid,
despite being infected by Sigma Virus isn't transformed into an Irregular, [instead]
was reborn as a good Repliroid.
But,
as Zero bustled about for the sake of fulfilling his missions as an Irregular Hunter
the Sigma virus lying dormant within his own body was scattered throughout the world
inviting an ironic result.
And so Zero, having become carrier of the Sigma Virus, was admitted to the research facility.

***

Udon's localization:
Sigma Virus
The terrifying virus that causes a Reploid to go Maverick.  The virus actually originated from one of the circuits that Dr. Light installed in X's brain.  The circuits function was to keep X neutral and unbiased in matters concerning humans and Reploids.  Tragically, the very same circuit condemned X to a life plagued by the philosophical question that weighed the value of humans against that of Reploids - a question to which there was no answer.  Zero was the first Reploid to be infected by the virus, but as an android created solely for evil, destructive purposes by Dr. Wily, the virus affected him uniquely.  Instead of going Maverick, the virus turned Zero into a warrior driven by goodness, not evil.  Unfortunately, by tirelessly fulfilling his destiny as a Maverick Hunter, Zero inadvertently spread the virus throughout the world.  Eventually, as the host of the virus, Zero was taken to a research facility for study.

***

Key differences exist in the beginning; Udon's localizer added details to the circuit - virus relationship that's not at all explained within the original text. After which, explaining the regular function of said circuit in Reploids, Udon removes the mention of Reploids in general, replacing it with just X.

Udon's interpretation of the circuit - virus relationship was eventually proven wrong by the ZERO-collection official site. The latter half, concerning Zero becoming good by the virus, was proven by that same site, but prior to that was not as unambiguous as Udon makes it out to be; without the additional explanations given, it seemingly went against all established fact.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 20, 2010, 11:15:56 PM »

I do remember reading that back in the "old days", many fan translations weren't quite accurate, but were accepted as such anyway, leading to large amounts of fanon being mistaken for canon. That's one reason why the X series is (allegedly) such a nightmare to sort out.

I don't remember anything of the sort, fan translations never really 'added' to the confusion that is the X-series. That series is first and foremost hard to decipher because of the way Capcom of Japan made it, secondly because of the way Capcom of America localized it.

The only thing that remotely close to fan translations altering the perception of the X-series would be the matter of Three Keys from RZOCW. Which wasn't so much a matter of translation, as it was interpretation. The literal translation we have courtesy of MarshmallowMan is as is the best reference we have for that text, because as a matter of fact, Udon's localizer also that messed up that text by trying to apply his own interpretation, born from the fan debates at that time. It wouldn't be until years later, with fan translation of the ZERO-collection official site, that new information revealed to the fans the true intent behind some of what's written in Three Keys.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 20, 2010, 02:07:17 PM »

Let's hope it means that it evolves along the necessary terms, while keeping to its roots.

Evolution requires sacrifice. *Presses button.*

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Original / Re: THE story of MEGA MAN

« on: July 20, 2010, 09:27:57 AM »

Here's the full story without EGM/Nintendo Power stuff:

In their younger days when Dr. Albert W. Wily and the mild-manner scientist Dr. Thomas Light were close associates, Wily was an enormously proud individual. So proud, that when Light achieved head of the class at the Robot Institute of Technology they attended together, he was extremely vexed. This trend continued to the present day with Dr. Light always being the one to get all the attention and accolades; aside from becoming class president winning the Nobel Prize in Physics, the LIT Manual Design Contest for four consecutive years, and so on. Dr. Wily instead always was but a nominee or a runner up. And so, it was sometime after Light becoming class president that Wily seemingly decided he would create the strongest robots to prove that he was the best in the world... though once classmates, Wily became Light's rival in professional life. It is this motivation and rivalry that would lead to him eventually being exiled from the scientific community due to the nature of his experiments, and lead him to the path of world domination and revenge. A very sorrowful state of affairs, Dr. Light believes.

After their youth, Dr. Light conceived the construction of fully-operational human-like experimental robots to perform specific everyday duties. To fulfill his dream, Dr. Light created Proto Man (Blues), his first attempt at making a humanoid robot; his first creation that moves of his own free will. As the very first humanoid robot prototype developed by him, Proto Man was one of Dr. Light's biggest achievements, one that greatly exceeded his expectations on several levels.

However, though a great achievement, Proto Man was not a success. Dr. Light found there to be a critical problem with Proto Man's power reactor. He made plans to modify and repair the robot, but Proto Man absconded before Dr. Light had a chance to. His human-like mind convinced itself that the remodeling could cause him to essentially become like a different person, so he fled to protect his sense of identity.

Unable to find Proto Man, and believing him to have died from his power defect, Dr. Light moved on to other projects. Hoping to rectify the mistakes he made with Proto Man, he created a pair of household robot; Rock and Roll, his first true success created in that order. He made them as siblings so that they would never be lonely. Rock and Roll were quickly adopted as part of the family. This motivated Dr. Light to design six more industrial robots. He hired an ambitious robot designer, Dr. Wily, to assist him in the enormous task of construction. Together, Dr. Light and his assistant Dr. Wily, encouraged by Rock's success, proceeded to develop six additional Humanoids, all programmed to perform prescribed rituals.

After completing the additional Humanoids, Dr. Light's former assistant Wily turned disloyal and was eventually exiled from the scientific community; suddenly disappearing, Dr. Wily vowed revenge against Dr. Light and his creations.

It was then, some time after Proto Man's disappearance, that his power reactor began to fail and he lay collapsed and dying. He was found and saved by Dr. Wily, who modified him by changing out his power reactor on top of equipping him with a buster and combat abilities. It was from this opportunity to remodel Blues that Dr. Wily gained the ability to manufacture robots at the same level as Dr. Light. Unaware of Wily's true intentions, Proto Man had become indebted to him.

One day, the industrial robots all over the world went on a rampage and the world fell into chaos. Robots began to take control of the city. At that time, Dr. Light intercepted a transmission from the evil Dr.Wily. The transmission exposed Dr. Wily's plans for world domination; Dr. Wily told the world that he would kidnap and reprogram Dr. Light's humanoids as part of his world domination scheme. Rock, however, had walked in on Dr. Light intercepting the transmission and with his strong sense of justice, desired to fight against Dr. Wily's evil. Rock convinced the good Dr. Light to let him chase down and eliminate the threat of his nemesis. The robot Rock volunteered to convert himself into a combat robot and so became MEGA MAN, the one robot who resisted Dr. Wily's nefarious tinkering; his days as a gofer in the lab were over.

Having become Mega Man, Rock fought against Dr. Wily, who had created "Monsteropolis", a strange multi-layered and multi-faceted land of robot-like Humanoids. These robot like humanoids were created by Dr. Wily's wrongly performed experiments with human beings; they are misrepresentations of humans. Fighting through the seven empires of Monsteropolis and defeating the Empire Leaders, Mega Man would ultimately make Dr. Wily's evil designs end in failure regardless of what the evil doctor had learned about robot development from working on Proto Man.

---------------------------

And here's the Japanese-only story:

In their younger days when Dr. Albert W. Wily and the mild-manner scientist Dr. Thomas Light were close associates, Wily was an enormously proud individual. So proud, that when Light achieved head of the class at the Robot Institute of Technology they attended together, he was extremely vexed. This trend continued to the present day with Dr. Light always being the one to get all the attention and accolades; aside from becoming class president winning the Nobel Prize in Physics, the LIT Manual Design Contest for four consecutive years, and so on. Dr. Wily instead always was but a nominee or a runner up. And so, it was sometime after Light becoming class president that Wily seemingly decided he would create the strongest robots to prove that he was the best in the world... though once classmates, Wily became Light's rival in professional life. It is this motivation and rivalry that would lead to him eventually being exiled from the scientific community due to the nature of his experiments, and lead him to the path of world domination and revenge. A very sorrowful state of affairs, Dr. Light believes.

To fulfill his dream, Dr. Light created Proto Man (Blues), his first attempt at making a humanoid robot; his first creation that moves of his own free will. As the very first humanoid robot prototype developed by him, Proto Man was one of Dr. Light's biggest achievements, one that greatly exceeded his expectations on several levels.

However, though a great achievement, Proto Man was not a success. Dr. Light found there to be a critical problem with Proto Man's power reactor. He made plans to modify and repair the robot, but Proto Man absconded before Dr. Light had a chance to. His human-like mind convinced itself that the remodeling could cause him to essentially become like a different person, so he fled to protect his sense of identity.

Unable to find Proto Man, and believing him to have died from his power defect, Dr. Light moved on to other projects. Hoping to rectify the mistakes he made with Proto Man, he created a pair of household robot; Rock and Roll, his first true success created in that order. He made them as siblings so that they would never be lonely. Rock and Roll were quickly adopted as part of the family. This motivated Dr. Light to design six more industrial robots.

It was then, some time after Proto Man's disappearance, that his power reactor began to fail and he lay collapsed and dying. He was found and saved by Dr. Wily, who modified him by changing out his power reactor on top of equipping him with a buster and combat abilities. It was from this opportunity to remodel Blues that Dr. Wily gained the ability to manufacture robots at the same level as Dr. Light. Unaware of Wily's true intentions, Proto Man had become indebted to him.

One day, the industrial robots all over the world went on a rampage and the world fell into chaos. Robots began to take control of the city. At that time, Dr. Light intercepted a transmission from the evil Dr.Wily. The transmission exposed Dr. Wily's plans for world domination; Dr. Wily told the world that he would kidnap and reprogram Dr. Light's humanoids as part of his world domination scheme. Rock, however, had walked in on Dr. Light intercepting the transmission and with his strong sense of justice, desired to fight against Dr. Wily's evil. Rock convinced the good Dr. Light to let him chase down and eliminate the threat of his nemesis. The robot Rock volunteered to convert himself into a combat robot and so became MEGA MAN; his days as a gofer in the lab were over. Mega Man would ultimately make Dr. Wily's evil designs end in failure regardless of what the evil doctor had learned from working on Proto Man.

I was also planning on providing a "US-only" story, but looking over it, everything that's Japanese-exclusive is already heavily implicated in US-released classic games such as Power Fighters, MegaMan8, MegaMan and Bass and MegaMan Powered Up, albeit not with the same level of detail.

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Original / Re: THE story of MEGA MAN

« on: July 20, 2010, 08:22:48 AM »

Why is most of it bolded?

Except for the robot armor shell thing, that's exactly what I always thought happened.

The bolded is the story as its strictly told in Japan. Hence the robot armor shell thing not being bolded. Infact, I probably should highlight parts like that robot shell thing, since it pretty much is only said in Nintendo Power, and not in the actual Capcom manuals.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 20, 2010, 08:18:00 AM »

Call me Ms. Cynical, but I think he made that up. >.>

Looks like he did, considering the actual Japanese text clearly reads "Rockman".

In this fandom, fan translations are supposed to be the "definitive" version, right?

No, "accurate" translations are what's definitive. Regardless of whether they're produced by fans or Capcom. Notice that nobody is complaining about the parts of the game script that are accurately translated. Case in point, there's preciously little complaining about the localization of ZERO and ZX, aside from voice acting.

the infamous Laguz Island bathroom of evil.

I'm also reminded of that strange story in Xtreme2's manual.

-Alia's last line in the Zeroless X6 ending was tweaked a bit to be more suggestive as to her having an attachment to X.

That and they dropped the mention of Isoc's force field actually protecting Zero.

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Original / Re: THE story of MEGA MAN

« on: July 19, 2010, 09:52:16 PM »

As much as I had to do with the creation of Gauntlet's US-story article.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 19, 2010, 09:35:06 PM »

And those are primarily artbooks.

Not Zero's. And the other two are full of developer interviews, highlighting the Japanese side of things.

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Original / THE story of MEGA MAN

« on: July 19, 2010, 09:22:52 PM »

Combining the factoids from all regions alike, I present to you THE story of MEGA MAN! Credit to the Reploid Research Lavatory and Mega Man Network for providing the sources.

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As a young boy Dr. Albert W. Wily always was a trouble maker, unlike the mild-mannered scientist Dr. Thomas Xavier Light. Likewise, in their younger days when Dr. Wily and Light were close associates, Wily was an enormously proud individual. So proud, that when Light achieved head of the class at the Robot Institute of Technology they attended together, he was extremely vexed. This trend continued to the present day with Dr. Light always being the one to get all the attention and accolades; aside from becoming class president winning the Nobel Prize in Physics, the LIT Manual Design Contest for four consecutive years, and so on. Dr. Wily instead always was but a nominee or a runner up. And so, it was sometime after Light becoming class president that Wily seemingly decided he would create the strongest robots to prove that he was the best in the world... though once classmates, Wily became Light's rival in professional life. It is this motivation and rivalry that would lead to him eventually being exiled from the scientific community due to the nature of his experiments, and lead him to the path of world domination and revenge. A very sorrowful state of affairs, Dr. Light believes.

After their youth, the story really begins in the twenty-first century at the lab of Dr. Light, who dreamed of creating a series of robots to handle jobs too dangerous for humans. He conceived the construction of fully-operational human-like experimental robots to perform specific everyday duties. To fulfill his dream, Dr. Light created Proto Man (Blues), his first attempt at making a humanoid robot; his first creation that moves of his own free will. As the very first humanoid robot prototype developed by him, Proto Man was one of Dr. Light's biggest achievements, one that greatly exceeded his expectations on several levels.

However, though a great achievement, Proto Man was not a success. Dr. Light found there to be a critical problem with Proto Man's power reactor. He made plans to modify and repair the robot, but Proto Man absconded before Dr. Light had a chance to. His human-like mind convinced itself that the remodeling could cause him to essentially become like a different person, so he fled to protect his sense of identity.

Unable to find Proto Man, and believing him to have died from his power defect, Dr. Light moved on to other projects. Hoping to rectify the mistakes he made with Proto Man, he created a pair of household robot; Rock and Roll, his first true success created in that order. He made them as siblings so that they would never be lonely. Rock and Roll were quickly adopted as part of the family. This motivated Dr. Light to design six more industrial robots. He hired an ambitious robot designer, Dr. Wily, to assist him in the enormous task of construction. Together, Dr. Light and his assistant Dr. Wily, encouraged by Rock's success, proceeded to develop six additional Humanoids, all programmed to perform prescribed rituals.

However, the night before the robots' unveiling, Dr. Light's lab exploded. One of Dr. Wily's experiments had gone awry and set the lab on fire. Enraged, Dr. Wily accused Dr. Light of jealousy and the intentional destruction of his experiment .That night he stole the plans for the industrial robots and disappeared, vowing to destroy Dr. Light and all of his creations. Now a dangerous maniacal old man, Dr. Light's former assistant Wily had become disloyal and was exiled from the scientific community.

It during Wily's exile, some time after Proto Man's disappearance, that ProtoMan's power reactor began to fail and he lay collapsed and dying. He was found and saved by Dr. Wily, who modified him by changing out his power reactor on top of equipping him with a buster and combat abilities. It was from this opportunity to remodel Blues that Dr. Wily gained the ability to manufacture robots at the same level as Dr. Light. Unaware of Wily's true intentions, Proto Man had become indebted to him.

One day, several Months after Wily's disappearance, the industrial robots all over the world went on a rampage and the world fell into chaos. Robots began to take control of the city. These robots were carbon copies of Dr. Light's industrial robots. Because of that, Dr. Light quickly realized that mad scientist, Dr. Wily, was behind the nefarious deed but he didn't know what to do. Eventually Dr. Light created a new robot to combat this evil. However, in order to keep this robot from turning to Dr. Wily's side, he did not create a whole robot. He created only the shell of one to be worn by a human, thereby converting the wearer into a savior robot.

After which, Dr. Light intercepted a transmission from the evil Dr.Wily. The transmission exposed Dr. Wily's plans for world domination; Dr. Wily told the world that he would kidnap and reprogram Dr. Light's humanoids as part of his world domination scheme. Rock, however, had walked in on Dr. Light intercepting the transmission and with his strong sense of justice, desired to fight against Dr. Wily's evil. Rock convinced the good Dr. Light to let him chase down and eliminate the threat of his nemesis. The robot Rock volunteered to convert himself into a combat robot, by wearing the shell instead of a human, and so became MEGA MAN, the one robot who resisted Dr. Wily's nefarious tinkering; his days as a gofer in the lab were over.

Having become Mega Man, Rock fought against Dr. Wily, who had created "Monsteropolis", a strange multi-layered and multi-faceted land of robot-like Humanoids. These robot like humanoids were created by Dr. Wily's wrongly performed experiments with human beings; they are misrepresentations of humans. Fighting through the seven empires of Monsteropolis and defeating the Empire Leaders, Mega Man would ultimately make Dr. Wily's evil designs end in failure regardless of what the evil doctor had learned about robot development from working on Proto Man.

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Enjoy.

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News and Announcements / Re: MEGAMAN UNIVERSE!!!!!! (PS3/360)

« on: July 19, 2010, 08:24:49 PM »

Then translate the sourcebooks. That's where a lot of the story is, and they're not going to be brought over any time soon.

MegaMan Zero Official Complete Works
Mega Man Complete Works
Mega Man X Complete Works
and so on.

All of which even effectively advertised Japanese-only materials such as the Remastered Tracks and Rockman and Forte Challenger from the Future, even keeping original Japanese logos.