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Original / Re: What is the future of Rockman and his friends?
« on: June 27, 2009, 12:29:56 AM »
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Because, if all your answer is, is just "MM continues to fight the good fight", he can do that quite easily on Earth without having to go into space at all. 

But the good fight already ended on Earth. Elsewhere more pressing matters exist.

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X / Re: What did Lumine mean?
« on: June 27, 2009, 12:26:27 AM »
X: You're Lumine?  You were alright?
Lumine: Alright, of course.  I suppose you're all very satisfied being able to defeat Sigma.  Thanks to which, up until now, plans have proceeded smoothly.
Axl: Weren't you taken and used by Sigma?
Lumine: Used?  I'm afraid you're wrong.  He just played his part. Awakening us, the new types, and changing the world.

Lumine: The copy chip was made from the analysis of various former Repliroids, and among them, naturally, Sigma is there too.

Lumine: It isn't the case that Sigma was by any means insane.
Sigma, of his own free will, rebelled against your world.
And us repliroids of the new generation, are able to become like Sigma at any time.
We, of our free will, are able to wage battle against your old world.
To put it in a way you understand...
We, of our free will, are able to become Irregular.

Zero: Just becoming Sigma can hardly be called evolution.

X: They all seem to be him.

Sigma: You may call me by that name, for I am indeed Sigma.

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Original / Re: What is the future of Rockman and his friends?
« on: June 26, 2009, 08:23:10 PM »
But isn't a capsule the same way? Capsules just mean he'll be back in action someday.

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Also, I believe Inti is being quite clear when they say humans can be given complete machine bodies.

To the point that with a copy chip equipped livemetal they can transform into a robotic rodent smaller than themselves.

So the Repliroid body is capable of everything the human body is capable of.

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X / Re: What did Lumine mean?
« on: June 26, 2009, 06:52:04 PM »
Wow.... I'm amazed at how completely wrong you all interpreted Lumine's words...

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Original / Re: What is the future of Rockman and his friends?
« on: June 25, 2009, 11:33:13 PM »
Well, Zan has spoken. I guess that ends this discussion...

But I was talking about the OTHER timeline.

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Original / Re: What is the future of Rockman and his friends?
« on: June 25, 2009, 10:01:41 PM »
You're all wrong! Rockman Shadow killed everyone. And that's a fact!

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ZX / Re: So, is this series becoming another legends?
« on: June 23, 2009, 10:41:57 PM »
More than ZX in the US, less than ZX in Japan.

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Zero / Re: About Omega
« on: June 23, 2009, 12:14:20 AM »
Not Zero, Sigma Virus. Cyber Elves were developed from the Sigma Virus. Zero just happens to be naturally immune to it and getting power boosts by the purification effect.

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ZX / Re: So, is this series becoming another legends?
« on: June 22, 2009, 11:25:40 PM »
At Capcom, series never die.

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Original / Re: A bit of a MM8 mystery to me...
« on: June 22, 2009, 09:18:30 PM »
Rock beat the evil energy out of Bass.

Furthermore, Duo remarks that Bass has Justice Energy.

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Rockman Series / Re: So... What Now?
« on: June 21, 2009, 11:33:55 PM »
I found Time man and Oil Man to be rather pointless additions... they were just there to go with the even 8 theme in the rest of the games.

How are two more stages and two more bosses pointless additions when the entire series is based on exact replica sequels with new bosses and new stages? Besides, this time around you could play as those new bosses.

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Zero / Re: About Omega
« on: June 20, 2009, 06:14:34 PM »
The reason I insist we call the original Sigma Virus even before it became part of Sigma is because otherwise people can't make out the meaning of the sourcebooks. The majority of misunderstandings about MMZOCW and Three Keys revolve around Zero being "first infected with Sigma Virus."

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Zero / Re: About Omega
« on: June 20, 2009, 04:52:25 PM »
It should just be called the Irregular/Maverick Virus to dispel confusion, but unfortunately that's not the case. That would make far too much sense.

But the thing is, it was called the Irregular/Maverick Virus before it was revealed that Sigma is part of it, making it the Sigma Virus.

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Zero / Re: About Omega
« on: June 20, 2009, 04:08:24 PM »
That's silly. But I can't protest against Word of God.

I did say 'what should is not the same as what is'.

These are the specific quotes we've got on the matter:

Rockman Perfect Memories:
Exactly what kinds of secrets are sleeping in Zero's past?
Zero has almost no memory of the past.  However, sometimes he seems to see a person resembling Dr. Wily in his dreams. And it's also said that Zero was born with the Sigma Virus already inside of him. His creation is it actually to battle with whom?  One would never think it was for justice, however...
X: He was made by Dr. Right.  Will the time for his fated battle with Zero come?
Dr. Wily: The one who put the Sigma Virus in Zero is, perhaps him......

MMZOCW:
Sigma Virus
ZERO1
A terrifying Virus that makes Reploids go Maverick. Initially, Zero was the only one infected with the Virus, but as he traveled the world to battle Mavericks, he unwittingly spread the Virus.

ZERO 1
The facility built to house Zero, who was discovered to be the source of the Sigma Virus outbreak. For half a century, Zero was used in many Sigma Virus-related experiments. This laboratory is also where Ciel's ancestors studied Cyber-elves, and where Weil created Omega. But because all records of its existence were wiped from history by Neo Arcadia, only a select few still know where it is.

Sigma Virus
The terrifying virus that causes a Reploid to go Maverick... Zero was the first Reploid to be infected by the virus
...  Unfortunately, by tirelessly fulfilling his destiny as a Maverick Hunter, Zero inadvertently spread the virus throughout the world.  Eventually, as the host of the virus, Zero was taken to a research facility for study.





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Zero / Re: About Omega
« on: June 20, 2009, 03:58:58 PM »
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viruses (virii?)

Viruses. "Virii" is a failed attempt at trying to use latin plurals, in which case it would be "viri". (us -> i)

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Come to think of it I have no memory where the Colony virus and Zero virus came from. Sigma had the Colony virus used, but I dunno how he got it.

The Colony Virus was made by Sigma to create the Zero Virus by combining his Sigma Virus with the Colony Virus.

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That... doesn't really mean anything. But with no name given by the games, I suppose there's nothing more to the idea.

The point is, every single sourcebook says that the Virus originally within Zero is "Sigma Virus".


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Zero / Re: About Omega
« on: June 19, 2009, 10:02:32 PM »
Hm, Zan, didn't you say that the virus changed when it infected Sigma? Shouldn't it have a different name before that?

It changed in that it gained aspects of Sigma because Sigma has become part of it. But the Virus is still remarkably similar to Zero's DNA.

Also, what 'should' is not necessarily the same as what 'is'.

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Zero / Re: About Omega
« on: June 18, 2009, 03:25:39 PM »
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4.  What happened to the Zero virus inside Omega?

What Zero Virus in Zero? The Virus that Zero was spreading was the Sigma Virus.

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Zero / Re: About Omega
« on: June 16, 2009, 09:23:23 PM »
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We know, because official sources state that zero's consciousness was temporally taken out so his body could be studied in the first place.

That statement doesn't exist anywhere. They say he was researched and that his heart was moved to a new body, never in relation to each other. These are the sources talking of Zero's admittance into the research institute:

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Underground Laboratory (Forgotten Laboratory)
ZERO 1
The facility built to house Zero, who was discovered to be the source of the Sigma Virus outbreak. For half a century, Zero was used in many Sigma Virus-related experiments. This laboratory is also where Ciel's ancestors studied Cyber-elves, and where Weil created Omega. But because all records of its existence were wiped from history by Neo Arcadia, only a select few still know where it is.


Sigma Virus
Unfortunately, by tirelessly fulfilling his destiny as a Maverick Hunter, Zero inadvertently spread the virus throughout the world.  Eventually, as the host of the virus, Zero was taken to a research facility for study.

The Forgotten Laboratory
The laboratory that Zero was taken to was equipped with the latest technology available at the time, and the researchers there were doing a great deal of research on Reploids and DNA.  In the laboratory, two scientists worked tirelessly to bring an end to the Maverick Wars.  One of the scientists was Dr. Weil, who believed that the best way to end the fighting was to eliminate all of the humans and Reploids that were, in his eyes, silly enough to fight over matters he found to be trivial - and to then build a utopia for the survivors of the wars on their corpses.  The other scientist was a distant female ancestor of Ciel's.  By using properties and samples of the Sigma Virus, she created Mother Elf, who had the ability to restore a Maverick to normalcy - indeed, she was able to reverse the effects of the very virus that was used to create her.  Unfortunately, Mother Elf was overwhelmed by the effects of the Sigma Virus used to make her, which caused her to become Dark Elf and set Elf Wars into motion.


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What kind of savior kills off over have the population of humans? You're using a mere taunt as plot evidence.

Vile's savior would kill everyone, that's because Vile is Vile. TELOS and MMOCW both speak of Omega as the messiah of Vile's new world and MMZOCW mentions Omega being created to end the war only to end up dealing a devastating blow to humanity.

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TELOS:
Suzuki (Character Designer): Up till now, we've been answering the questions, but now we have one for the sound team. What you tell us about the speech of Omega's third form?
Yamada (Sound Director): It's "Ware wa messhia nari!" ["I am the messiah!"] It certainly sounds like that "I am God" kind of speech, something a terrorist or anarchist or someone like that would say, doesn't it? I think that's the kind of impression we we're trying to give. It's not the speech by itself alone that holds significance, however, if you could express Omega's brutality and ferocity and everything into one line, that's what it would be, right! By the way, what's the creation story behind the personality of Omega form three?
Yabe (Background Designer): Omega form 3's personality program (cyber-elf), was programmed by Vile to be his messiah. Though, as to Omega form 3's...Original Zero's personality being completely Vile-made, I couldn't say that.
Ito (Series Director): I can't deny the possibility that the original personality that "a certain doctor who tried to take over the world innumerable times" created for Zero was remaining in the body, and that side of the personality having won over.
Yabe: I guess we're entrusting everyone to use their imagination (he laughs).



MMZOCW:
Dr. Weil had always had his eyes on Zero's body, which had a natural immunity to the Sigma Virus.  He knew that a Reploid with no risk of going Maverick would make the perfect weapon to bring an end to the war.  To that end, he designed Omega and created him from Zero's body.  As Weil expected, the damage wreaked by Omega was enormous - but it only added to the costs of the war, instead of bringing and end to it. Fortunately, he was eventually defeated by X, the hero of the Maverick Wars, and the Reploid now housing Zero's soul.  Omega was subsequently exiled to space.  Dr. Weil, who was deemed the one responsible for starting the Elf Wars, was sentenced to eternal regeneration, a punishment worse than death.

RZOCW:
Dr. Vile was the one who had his eye on the inmate Zero's body at the research facility.  Vile would use the body of the one who had no worry of infection, Zero to create a weapon of destruction to end the wars, and intended for him to fight on the front lines in the Irregular Wars
However, Omega would deliver a devastating blow to humans and Repliroid
s, and as a result of that Omega would be destroyed and exiled to space by Zero, whose heart was moved to a different body, and the hero of the Irregular Wars, X.
And then, Vile who was also held responsible for the damage in the war, was given a punishment far heavier than the



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exactly. The point still stands she was not born a genius because her folks were smart. she was genetically modified to be a genius from birth.

Ciel is a prodigy amongst even the genetically engineered children, being able to reproduce complicated experiments with the greatest of ease at such a young age. This is because of her family lineage, why else did you think she had an empathic connection with Cyber Elves?

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X / Re: Sigma Virus
« on: June 16, 2009, 02:03:10 AM »
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The Sigma Virus became known when Doppler revealed its existence to X.

The "Sigma" part that is. It's been known as "the irregular Virus" during X2 and the majority of X3.

Obviously nobody in the setting quite got the hint that wireframe bosses with Sigma's face and saber skills are the virus and innately related to him.

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ZX / Re: Hate to ask, but.....
« on: June 16, 2009, 02:00:22 AM »
Advent's hard mode is hard because of Chronoforce and easy because of Chronoforce.

Figure that one out...

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Zero / Re: About Omega
« on: June 16, 2009, 01:54:48 AM »
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During research, Zero's conciousness was separated from the main body
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Remember, Zero and his mind were being kept separate during research.

Conjecture. >.> Who knows why his mind is not in the body, for all we know Dr. Vile obtained the body with the mind included, but saw no reason to use it. There's a lot ways to go about it, all we know is how it started and how it ended up.

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Weil asked the Government if he could use Zero's body to make a super reploid that could help in the war. The Government said yes, and Weil Created Omega with Zero's dormant body.

What we know is that Omega was built as a weapon to end the wars and that he instead dealt a heavy blow to both humans and Repliroids because Vile instead built Omega to be the messiah of his new world. (And Dr. Vile orchestrated the entirety of Elf Wars in the first place.) The exact details on that are sketchy, but yeah, that about sums up the idea nicely.

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3. Before. Weil Made Omega, and then stole Mother elf, starting the war.

As Saber said, Omega appeared during the closing of the war alongside Neo Arcadia's great mechaniroids 'Golem'. He was under construction during quite some time it would seem. Adding to that is the factual statement that Omega never attained 'perfection' in Elf Wars, instead appearing as his regular self with the Dark Elf presumed to be in enemy hands. (The Repliroids controlled by the altered Mother Elf ended the war.)

We don't know if Zero stole the Dark Elf, though. Who knows what actually took place for Zero to 'boss Mother around'.... Another one of those cases where we know the start and end but not the inbetween.

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Might just be folded in. But Omega already demonstrated amazing regenerative capabilities in the first form, so it might also be part of Weils upgrades.

Both the concept art, cutscene art and sprites show that the hair simply isn't there. The animation to regenerate it obviously exists because Zero wouldn't be Zero without hair.

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Anime & Manga / Re: Naruto (Manga Discussion Mainly)
« on: June 13, 2009, 02:38:33 AM »

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Original / Re: Crash Man Stage Flawless Buster only
« on: June 11, 2009, 09:06:59 PM »
With the exception of the first video that exploits a glitch in the fire attack, it isn't that it looks easy, it really is easy. You just gotta approach him much more calmly and less like:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJlAxLtYw6o" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJlAxLtYw6o</a>


Once you realize FireMan is a coward that runs away when you get too close, you can literally just leisurely chase him around the room. Attack only when you feel confident in your ability to dodge, and he should fall in no time without damage taken.

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