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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => X => Topic started by: Acrosurge on August 24, 2009, 04:13:00 AM
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You know the one. When X/Zero/Axl start to overpower Lumine in his final form, he releases a cascade of energy, turtles up, and the sky becomes dark. If you don't defeat Lumine soon after this, he'll use an instant kill attack that annihilates your Hunter team.
My question: Is there any official documentation on what Lumine's "Paradise Lost" is actually doing? Reality warp? Black hole? Physical manifestation of the complexity of Milton?
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Maybe the darkness is gravity manifest, and crushes the slow ones.
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I don't think they had an idea behind the true nature of Paradise Lost. Having the screen go black and then hearing your beloved character die screaming is somewhat disturbing. The ambiguity helps.
To give a proper answer, I guess the most logical answer in my eyes is that he used some powerful dark energy. Kind of a lame guess.
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I'm sure whatever it is, it involves tentacles.
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Well, Lumine is supposed to represent an angel gone bad, Lucifer, really, so its like, it cannot be comprehended. its just, some divine, evil force that just, kills you.
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Well, Lumine is supposed to represent an angel gone bad, Lucifer, really, so its like, it cannot be comprehended.
(http://walkthrough.starmen.net/earthbound/image/screens/48/cantgrasp.png)
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haha... XD actually, thats exactly what I was thinking of. XD
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Well, Lumine is supposed to represent an angel gone bad, Lucifer, really, so its like, it cannot be comprehended. its just, some divine, evil force that just, kills you.
Well, I'm okay with Lumine having this "divine" ability, but only if there's a reason how/why he obtained this power. For instance, Sigma can really hack huge chunks off your energy meter. Reason: He's the strongest reploid in history. Epsilon can reduce your HP to 1. Reason: He can manipulate energy and his body utilizes Supra Force Metal. Great Redips can completely dominate you at first. Reason: He's equipped super-refined supra force metal. Awakened Zero can insta-kill you. Reason: The Virus unlocks his potential power.
No one else besides Zero and Lumine have instant kill techniques. I guess I'm fascinated with why and how Lumine has such an ability. He is, after all, a newcomer to the events of 21XX.
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Looks more like they just wanted to sneak in X8's subtitle to the game in some form, so here's a generic one hit kill attack.
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Looks more like they just wanted to sneak in X8's subtitle to the game in some form, so here's a generic one hit kill attack.
You have to admit that the darkness closing in (along with the building music) was a pretty cool effect, though. Lumine's transition from an "angel of light" to an "angel of dark" also fits very nicely with the title.
Do you suppose its too much to hope that X Complete Works will have some design notes relating to the PL?
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mmm.. I dont know... :\
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Maybe the darkness is gravity manifest, and crushes the slow ones.
I always thought of it that way. More than likely some shady japanese databook explains the intricacies of purple-haired emo seraph.
Until the fateful day such light is shed, I'll ride with it. Well, it's not like it matters unless it's put to use somewhere, so... uh, yeah.
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Eh, I never stuck around to see it happen. Was lame anyways. He probably just drops spikes on you.
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Eh, I never stuck around to see it happen. Was lame anyways. He probably just drops spikes on you.
I waited just to see what would happen. I still think the execution is kind of cool.
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The screen turns black. which means the stage dissappears. Which means you fall to your death?
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Not just the stage. The whole world is reset~
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Not just the stage. The whole world is reset~
Considering how screwed up the Rockman universe is, I fail to see how resetting it would be a bad thing. -u-'
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Considering how screwed up the Rockman universe is, I fail to see how resetting it would be a bad thing. -u-'
And how time travel/time altering's involved doesn't help either.
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Resetting ends the progress of world evolution.
A new world can be made from that point, with different visions than the last one.
From who's point of view do YOU think it's a bad thing? For the hunters or for Lumine? >U<
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Resetting ends the progress of world evolution.
A new world can be made from that point, with different visions than the last one.
From who's point of view do YOU think it's a bad thing? For the hunters or for Lumine? >U<
Resetting is bad for both. Lumine went insane, right? That "I'm going to kill myself and take as many with me as a I can" mentality. Which in his case, meant the entire universe. In the case of the planet all this crap happens, though, I'm sure it wouldn't mind being put out of its misery. All of those crazy robots blowing stuff up, crashing satellites into it, and creating weird things like robotic plants. And this huge, never-ending war ends up in a global flood, right?
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And how time travel/time altering's involved doesn't help either.
what does that have to do with anything we're talking about?
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If I remember, there was this move that Lumine will attempt to freeze you in place with an inverted BG. Plus when the dark doors close, that's when the Big Bang begins and the world is reset and will insta-kill your team.
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that's when the Big Bang begins and the world is reset and will insta-kill your team.
you're making [parasitic bomb] up again.
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all that happens is the screen goes dark, and he gives your team a hug, GunXSword Clawed Man style.
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Isn't that what Akuma does as well?
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He just wants to nuzzle you 8D
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Isn't that what Akuma does as well?
no, he drags the opponent through hell and assaults them with every sin they've ever committed.
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Sooooo...it's not just a big hug then! My mistake! XD
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eh, same thing.
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(http://lol.rockmanpm.com/buttons/punch_light.png) (http://lol.rockmanpm.com/buttons/punch_light.png) (http://lol.rockmanpm.com/buttons/joy_right.gif) (http://lol.rockmanpm.com/buttons/kick_light.png) (http://lol.rockmanpm.com/buttons/punch_hard.png)
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*on the twelfth try, successfully activates Shun Goku Satsu*
*warps across the screen*
*runs into standing jab*
:|
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Too much overthinking. TOO MUCH.
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It hurts. But Sigma Blade works wonders on him there!
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Those looking to the Japanese end might be disappointed, since far more often than not, the official guides continue the archaic trend of leaving the last boss for you to conquer on your own. You're usually pretty lucky if you get a brief description or a few attack names. Neither Japanese X8 guide I own has info about the Paradise Lost move.
However, the English BradyGames guide says this about it:
"His desperation move, Paradise Lost, is Lumine's most lethal move, yet it doesn't actually do any damage. Instead, it rips open a hole in the dimensional walls and begins a timer; you have thirty seconds to finish Lumine off, or else the dimensional rift closes... and it's goodnight."
I can't speak whether it is an 100% accurate interpretation of the move, although it is fact that Capcom supplied some official materials for the Brady Guides (but where is the line drawn?), and for the most part, the names of the boss' moves and such line up with the Japanese guides. But Greg Sepelak does incorporate his own fanon into the mix with his guides, so whether that was the official move explanation or just an educated guess, might not be clear until Rockman X Compendium vol 2 comes around. Although, it's also quite possible that info and strategies for the final boss battle were included in some Japanese gaming mag from 2004...
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However, the English BradyGames guide says this about it:
"His desperation move, Paradise Lost, is Lumine's most lethal move, yet it doesn't actually do any damage. Instead, it rips open a hole in the dimensional walls and begins a timer; you have thirty seconds to finish Lumine off, or else the dimensional rift closes... and it's goodnight."
I can't speak whether it is an 100% accurate interpretation of the move, although it is fact that Capcom supplied some official materials for the Brady Guides (but where is the line drawn?), and for the most part, the names of the boss' moves and such line up with the Japanese guides. But Greg Sepelak does incorporate his own fanon into the mix with his guides, so whether that was the official move explanation or just an educated guess, might not be clear until Rockman X Compendium vol 2 comes around.
Gravity's cooler.
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I actually like the rip thing there.
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I like to wonder why Lumine didn't just not [acid burst] off X, Zero, & Axl, let them go home, & went about his business.
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Because he's evil, and couldn't stop himself from gloating for all the cherries in california.
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Villain stupids
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Thats why the bad guys always lose.
In Megaman anyways...
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Adrian from Watchmen didn't have villain stupids.
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Adrian from Watchmen didn't have villain stupids.
Adrian wasn't a deranged mad-man who lost all common sense either. Seriously, Lumine supposedly went Maverick on his own, the first/second Reploid to ever do so. Hell, the guy was the man behind the man and manipulated Sigma, a first for the series since Sigma loosely manipulated others to do his bidding somehow.
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I don't think Lumine was anywhere near the second to go maverick on his own, there must be plenty that did so without being influenced by the virus. Before it was around, for instance.
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befre the virus it was mostly just glitches and program errors. the rest werent really maverick, but maybe petty criminals who chose to do bad things cuz they could. they probably didnt have any sort of "hate" for humans. just law enforcement maybe.
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befre the virus it was mostly just glitches and program errors.
That's what the hunters said, mmhm mhm.
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God forbid they want freedoms & rights. Look at what happened to poor Repliforce.
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That's what the hunters said, mmhm mhm.
The [parasitic bomb] didn't hit the fan until Zero showed up since he was the original carrier of the virus, so odds are there weren't that many "outbursts". As for the repliforce, weren't they the ones that were attacking Sky Central or City or whatever?
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You apparently have not played X4.
No, they werent. They actually showed up to help, or happened to be on the scene, whatever, since Colonel went to save Iris. it was Sigma who set it up to look like they were. to this end he also used Dragoon to fool the hunters.
Remember the whole repliforce war was an embarrassment that caused the previous hunter general to retire out of shame. The repliforce never did nything wrong, until the Hunters came out of nowhere and accused them of bringing Sky Lagoon crashing down. Repliforce, being proud to the point of fault, decided to defend themselves and lash back rather than clear up the matter. and The hunters, having X and Zero, decimated Repliforce, leaving a few scattered units and troops and General, the sole survivors, after which He was forced to sacrifice himself to stop Final weapon.
It was all a misunderstanding by the Hunters.
although, the Repliforce air and Sea units seemingly remained, independently. (as seen by X5 and Z1)
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I played X4, I just couldn't remember what the hell happened :\ Still, that actually seems more like sloppy writing. "We're too proud to bother saying that out solider was saving his sister" just doesn't seem right. You'd think it'd be better to have mavericks disguised as Repliforce members bring down Sky Lagoon so that the evidence is more outweighing, and then Repliforce having to defend themselves instead.
Then again, if one thinks about it, there are quite a few plot-holes already in the entire continuity of things pre-Legends :\
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well, we dont know. For all we know, there could be a few actual repliforce mavericks. remember that fat reploid that shoots you or throws grenades at you? it seems to be a repliforce model. it was only in X4, and I believe the airport in X5. (also a repliforce place)
for the most part though, the Hunters and Repliforce acted pretty stupid, Zero in particular was a real case in that game.
but then again, otherwise, we'd have no game.
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True :\ If it wasn't for X4, then the X5 I love so much would be X4, and I'd be hailing X4 as the greatest game in the series, and calling X5 a pile of junk. X6 would still be a piece of [parasitic bomb] no matter what :D