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Title: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Gotham Ranger on May 12, 2009, 11:07:25 PM
So, I pirated MHX. I know, how terrible. I like to try a game before I waste my money on it. My thoughts?

As an enhanced version of Mega Man X1, it was lacking. X1 is generally received as perfection and to top it is a challenge not to be taken lightly. In fact, this would've been better as Mega Man Xtreme 3 or something. It just doesn't stand up to the original. I can safely say that because I beat X1 about 4 or 5 days ago :P

Now, it does have some things that were nice additions. Being able to use multiple maverick weapons after charging a rolling shield? Awesome. Hadoukening Final Sigma? I've been waiting to do that. And the voice acting wasn't all that bad, but of course, they had the stereotypical retarded Maverick, which always iritates me. Why does a big robot have to be dimwitted? It also bugged me that they also added the stereotypical "fabulous" robot. They did it to Elec Man and it sucked and then they did it to Launch Octopus and guess what? It sucked.

Negative things were abound, though. The story is terrible. I simply refuse to acknowledge it as canon until I'm forced to. Day of Sigma was dumb and then all this BS about Vile just being batshit insane and just doing his own thing. Meh. I also didn't like how they changed some things around like the entirety of the Sigma Palace. More reason to have just made a new game with new layouts. I also didn't like how they put Vile so far back so you're using this really shitty buster most of the game if you want Zero's or the fact you can beat Vile at the beginning of the game. It was such a [tornado fang] you for the first boss to kick your ass back in the day and now its just meh. The music also doesn't hold a candle to the original, not even close.

But who played the game for X? Everyone knows the money was in Vile. His story? Absolutely terrible. But I loved the gameplay. It was something different, it was challenging. The only negatives I found in playing were the lack of a dash that was at least semi rectified with the speed booster and the terrible Ride Armor time limits which made getting some sub tanks and hearts unnecessarily difficult. Also, maybe its just me, but was the music the same in every stage? It sounded like it. Guess just using the normal stage themes were just too much.

Either way, despite pirating it, I'm considering going out and paying money to own it. I like owning hard copies and I gladly pay cash for games I enjoy. I'm almost kinda sad there won't be an MHX2. Only almost. As long as we can avoid more Powered Up games.

Also, I totally wish you could've played as X1 Zero. Thats just me.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Afro-Shroom on May 12, 2009, 11:47:42 PM
well, I haven't played it my self but you just gave me a pretty condensed review. wish I could be of better help but at least we're on the same page about the fact that you should totally be able to play as zero.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Gotham Ranger on May 12, 2009, 11:49:25 PM
I beat X's game in like.. 3 hours. It was no challenge and really not much worth it until you get Vile. Vile plays differently and has different enemy placement so you actually get challenge. The challenge in X's game is they moved they moved two armor capsules around or something.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Afro-Shroom on May 12, 2009, 11:56:34 PM
uhg, that's not much. do they have any other new features or what?
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Gotham Ranger on May 13, 2009, 12:02:58 AM
Aside from Vile and being able to use other maverick weapons when using a charged Rolling Shield (And I assume Chameleon Sting), not really.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Afro-Shroom on May 13, 2009, 12:05:16 AM
Funny, I was thinking of getting this game, but that's changed now.  -_-
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Gotham Ranger on May 13, 2009, 12:08:14 AM
Well, this is only my opinion. I'm sure Megaman Megaman is universally loved here, but I hate it. Take a look at some gameplay videos or something. I also hear its really cheap now.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Rock Bomb on May 13, 2009, 12:12:25 AM
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Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Afro-Shroom on May 13, 2009, 12:17:33 AM
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Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Zan on May 13, 2009, 12:34:29 AM
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The story is terrible. I simply refuse to acknowledge it as canon until I'm forced to.

Every part of the story is based on what always was. Literally everything from MHX is in the X1 manual, subsequent games and sourcebooks. The exception being the exact events of Day of Sigma, Chameleo getting pwned by Sigma and Penguigo's becoming a midget.

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Vile just being batshit insane and just doing his own thing.

Likewise, Vile was ALWAYS like that. Play X3 some more.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Satoryu on May 13, 2009, 12:38:54 AM
Gotham, i share none of your complaints. in fact, i have very few qualms with MHX at all. it plays exactly like it did on SNES, albeit a tad slower, and with the few changes made to it. to me, that's enough to keep it fresh without flat out changing things.

it's pretty annoying that you still have to press dash and jump at the same time to dash jump off a wall, and the Pink Shot got nerfed. but changing the capsules around was a great idea. the Zero Buster is fun to play around with, too. and there's also the aforementioned using multiple weapons at a time and Hadokening Sigma. i feel there's nothing wrong with the new Sigma Stages or the music. hell, i prefer many of the remixes to the original.

i 100% disagree that playing as Vile was the selling point of the game, fun and challenging as it is. the selling point of the game is that it's an enhanced port/remake of Mega Man X. and the game is clearly targeted to existing fans of the Mega Man series.

if you haven't learned to not give a [parasitic bomb] about Mega Man story, do so now. even so, i don't have a problem with any of MHX's story. i mean, it's pretty much the same as MMX's. Day of Sigma is fine. i've even gotten past Dr. Cain's death. i've convinced myself that there's no conspiracy to kill the guy off and write him out of X2 and 3. if a MHX2 were to be made, Dr. Cain would reveal he's still alive somehow early on.

i like this characterization of Vile way better than MMX's "lackey". it makes him feel more unique and important. and as Zan just said, he was like that since X3. i say good job making everything consistent. i don't have a problem with the narccisist Octopus. that had to be done so that he doesn't act the same as the other guys. and you're incorrect about Flame Mammoth being retarded. he just talks slow. just because he sounds like Lenny doesn't mean he's stupid.

if you ignore the changes made, this game plays just like the Super Nintendo game did. the gameplay is fluid, easy to pick up, and most of all, fun. that's the sign of a truly great game to me. it's actually a hard decision for me whether this or the original is the better version.

oh, and i do love Powered Up too.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Gotham Ranger on May 13, 2009, 12:57:45 AM
Every part of the story is based on what always was. Literally everything from MHX is in the X1 manual, subsequent games and sourcebooks. The exception being the exact events of Day of Sigma, Chameleo getting pwned by Sigma and Penguigo's becoming a midget.

Likewise, Vile was ALWAYS like that. Play X3 some more.
Sure, buy me an X3 cartridge.

Vile may've been crazy, but he wasn't the loose cannon they portrayed him as in MHX. He was Sigma's right hand man. He loses it in X3 after being rebuilt because X and his "antiquated weapons" kicked his metal ass in X1. It was badly redone in that respect and thats where my problem with the story comes in. I've never been a fan of needing a source book to get information that should be readily available in a game, either. Yeah, the rest was nice fleshing out, but Vile was done wrong, plain and simple (and if I have to state it, IN MY OPINION)

if you haven't learned to not give a [parasitic bomb] about Mega Man story, do so now. even so, i don't have a problem with any of MHX's story. i mean, it's pretty much the same as MMX's. Day of Sigma is fine. i've even gotten past Dr. Cain's death. i've convinced myself that there's no conspiracy to kill the guy off and write him out of X2 and 3. if a MHX2 were to be made, Dr. Cain would reveal he's still alive somehow early on.
I try not to, but I'm not a fan of retcons at all. Sometimes they happen, but things like Day of Sigma were just blatant disregard for the original.

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i like this characterization of Vile way better than MMX's "lackey". it makes him feel more unique and important. and as Zan just said, he was like that since X3. i say good job making everything consistent. i don't have a problem with the narccisist Octopus. that had to be done so that he doesn't act the same as the other guys. and you're incorrect about Flame Mammoth being retarded. he just talks slow. just because he sounds like Lenny doesn't mean he's stupid.
And Vile's characterisation is great. In X3. They didn't need to push the loose cannon thing so far as to make him just some loner. They could've gotten that through easily and still had him as he was supposed to be, Sigma's right hand man.

And yeah, I understand that just because he talks slow doesn't mean he's stupid, but I don't like it period. Its cliche and annoying, just like "fabulous" thing that happened to Launch Octopus. There's better characters to be made in there.

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if you ignore the changes made, this game plays just like the Super Nintendo game did. the gameplay is fluid, easy to pick up, and most of all, fun. that's the sign of a truly great game to me. it's actually a hard decision for me whether this or the original is the better version.
I shouldn't need to ignore anything. X1, for me, was perfection hands down and this doesn't do it complete justice. Its a good enhancement, yes, but X's game is still just X's game from X1 with a few things moved around. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting a totally new experience here. I understand from the beginning its just an enhanced remake and nothing more, but some enhanced remakes can blow the originals away while some just can't cut it. This one falls in between. It doesn't reach X1's level but it isn't bad either.

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oh, and i do love Powered Up too.
Just quoting for reference.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Rock Bomb on May 13, 2009, 02:04:03 AM
Now would be a good time to mention that I detest the word "opinion"
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Flame on May 13, 2009, 02:28:22 AM
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Dr. Cain's death
Such a fact is unconfirmed. in fact, it would ruin the idea of his roles in X2-4.

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Sure, buy me an X3 cartridge.
Sure, get a rom.

also, they should give Mammoth his ability from Iwamoto's mangas, where he can regenerate his body from reploid corpses.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Satoryu on May 13, 2009, 02:33:22 AM
Such a fact is unconfirmed. in fact, it would ruin the idea of his roles in X2-4.

way to go. taking the quote out of context.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: The Great Gonzo on May 13, 2009, 02:34:42 AM
About Vile being Siggy's right-hand man: He isn't yet in MHX (at least in his own campaign).

And MHX isn't challenging? I got stalled on the damn thing for at least a year.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Satoryu on May 13, 2009, 02:40:30 AM
And MHX isn't challenging? I got stalled on the damn thing for at least a year.

if you've played MMX as much as i have, X's mode is a walk in the park. even on hard. Vile mode is genuinely challenging.

no one disagreed with you...
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Gotham Ranger on May 13, 2009, 02:43:22 AM
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Sure, get a rom.

Gladly. Now if only, you know, PSP SNES emulation didn't suck and I had a working home PC.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: VixyNyan on May 13, 2009, 02:50:45 AM
PSP SNES emulation doesn't suck. Use the latest SNES9X TYL.

Just turn on frame skip (and get used to it), set the speed to 60fps, the processing power to 333 and you're all set. ^^
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Fxeni on May 13, 2009, 02:57:55 AM
PSP SNES emulation doesn't suck. Use the latest SNES9X TYL.

Just turn on frame skip (and get used to it), set the speed to 60fps, the processing power to 333 and you're all set. ^^
Mileage varies for this though... I know it still bugs me to no end whenever I try.

As for MHX... well, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I enjoy MHX quite a bit, but I still prefer X1 in general.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Flame on May 13, 2009, 05:05:18 AM
PSP SNES emulation doesn't suck. Use the latest SNES9X TYL.

Just turn on frame skip (and get used to it), set the speed to 60fps, the processing power to 333 and you're all set. ^^
I had a friend who had transparency issues. he could not play Acid seahorse's level for the water part.

Gladly. Now if only, you know, PSP SNES emulation didn't suck and I had a working home PC.

Just saying.

Didnt know you didn't have a computer.

just saying.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Protoman Blues on May 13, 2009, 05:56:14 AM
X1 is generally received as perfection and to top it is a challenge not to be taken lightly.

LoL, well with this general bias, obviously you're going to find MMX lacking!  XD

And...challenging?  Really?  8D
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Gotham Ranger on May 13, 2009, 11:11:21 AM
Flame: Eh, my tone was bad there. My bad. I'll be getting MMX Collection this week hopefully

PB: While I was only forwarding opinions I've heard, I do think X1 is hard to top. Only X4 comes close. HOWEVER, what people seem to have missed is I DID enjoy the game. I'll flesh my thoughts out thoroughly tomorrow when I get to the library.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Zan on May 13, 2009, 01:40:12 PM
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Vile may've been crazy, but he wasn't the loose cannon they portrayed him as in MHX.

What are you talking about? Every single bio of the guy talks about him being a loose cannon.

VAVA (Vile)
Originally with the 17th elite unit, his ability as a hunter is Special A Class,
but due to a fault in his electronic brain, he became an abhorrent destroyer of
repliroids.
Because of this, he was removed from the work of the Irregular
Hunters and immobilized, but with Sigma's rebellion was set free. He now
enjoys commiting frequent acts of destruction.

The only way Sigma and VAVA relate is how MHX has it. Sigma set him free and VAVA happily went along with it. He's not Sigma's right hand man. Really, you're only basing that on the fact that he's fighting on Sigma's side and is in certain places at the right time, which still remains true as of MHX.

In X3 he is exactly the same, not taking any orders, trashing a fortress filled with mechaniloids to take their place as the boss.

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I try not to, but I'm not a fan of retcons at all. Sometimes they happen, but things like Day of Sigma were just blatant disregard for the original.

There's nothing in Day of Sigma that is in disagreement with the original.

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I've never been a fan of needing a source book to get information that should be readily available in a game, either. Yeah, the rest was nice fleshing out, but Vile was done wrong, plain and simple (and if I have to state it, IN MY OPINION)

Yet when they put that info in the game you complain about it?
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Align on May 13, 2009, 05:27:19 PM
incorrect about Flame Mammoth being retarded. he just talks slow. just because he sounds like Lenny doesn't mean he's stupid.
That's like what I said about Fefnir, because the idea of someone in charge of an army being stupid was in itself stupid.
Then ZX went and proved me wrong.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Gotham Ranger on May 14, 2009, 12:58:39 AM
What are you talking about? Every single bio of the guy talks about him being a loose cannon.

VAVA (Vile)
Originally with the 17th elite unit, his ability as a hunter is Special A Class,
but due to a fault in his electronic brain, he became an abhorrent destroyer of
repliroids.
Because of this, he was removed from the work of the Irregular
Hunters and immobilized, but with Sigma's rebellion was set free. He now
enjoys commiting frequent acts of destruction.
I never said he wasn't out of his mind and I know all of that, but he was not how they had him in MHX in X1. Hell, he's even got the Maverick symbol right on his head, which they changed for MHX. MHX also has Sigma just setting Vile free then telling him he needs someone to go maverick of his own will. Uh.. What? If Vile doesn't define murderous reploid maverick, I don't know what does. MHX also gave him a raging hard-on over X that he doesn't have in X1. I mean, its there and it returns in X3 for revenge, but its ridiculous in MHX.

[quoteThe only way Sigma and VAVA relate is how MHX has it. Sigma set him free and VAVA happily went along with it. He's not Sigma's right hand man. Really, you're only basing that on the fact that he's fighting on Sigma's side and is in certain places at the right time, which still remains true as of MHX.

In X3 he is exactly the same, not taking any orders, trashing a fortress filled with mechaniloids to take their place as the boss.[/quote]
See above. Vile had every reason to wanna destroy X in X3. Then he turns around and is following Sigma in X8.[/quote]

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There's nothing in Day of Sigma that is in disagreement with the original.
Where in X1 is Dr. Cain so ridiculously old he's in a wheel chair that will barely extend his life and then he gets blown to hell with the rest of a Maverick Hunter base? That right there causes tons of loops because Cain is around till X4 unless they just ignore their own work in MHX if MHX2 had ever come to be.

But you know what, I didn't wanna get into the story, because I knew this would happen. Should've kept my mouth shut on that. Whatever, you'll reply and it'll be done.

Now, to flesh out how I felt about the actual gameplay;

X's Game:
It was just X1 with nicer graphics and expansions. It was still fun, though I do prefer X1 to this. I did enjoy what they changed around and it was a fun little title, though not worth the price it was when it first game out. I'll gladly buy it now. The music didn't hold a candle to the original, but its pretty hard to. There wasn't much challenge, but what do you expect from a game that we've all mastered since like 93?

Vile's Game:
It was a refreshing change of pace. It was something new that really added to the game for me and really made it worth the money. I thoroughly enjoyed the new aspects of the gameplay and it was nice to have to adjust to the new weapons and the lack of a charge shot to begin with. I died a few times, which is always nice. The only two problems I had with Vile's game were his lack of dash, which is mostly fixed by his speed upgrade and how badly his ride armor was done.

Ride armors in general felt really clunky in this game, though. Vile's time limit didn't help, especially when getting damaged took away time and it wasn't as responsive.

But it was a fun game. I enjoyed myself and would be interested in a sequel. To AfroShroom, I really say he should give it a chance before writing it off. It wasn't me intent to turn someone off of the game, just giving my thoughts, you know?
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Flame on May 14, 2009, 02:28:46 AM
I never said he wasn't out of his mind and I know all of that, but he was not how they had him in MHX in X1. Hell, he's even got the Maverick symbol right on his head,
you DO know Sigma was once the leader of the Maverick Hunters right? His crest was the crest of the Maverick Hunters... Vile was a maverick hunter.
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gets blown to hell with the rest of a Maverick Hunter base?
that is unconfirmed. also, wasnt that note from Cain in the X4 manual only in the American version? as far as he is concerned, he dissapeared after X3. he was never mentioned in X4 except that note from Cain labs, which Im sure was only in the American release.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Gotham Ranger on May 14, 2009, 03:19:03 AM
you DO know Sigma was once the leader of the Maverick Hunters right? His crest was the crest of the Maverick Hunters... Vile was a maverick hunter.
He was a commander of the Maverick Hunters, if not the big cheese and he went maverick and took an assload of hunters with him. Vile was a hunter who went batshit insane, so yes, I know.

As for the Sigma's logo being the crest of the maverick hunters, that I did not know. But its a very vicious hunter logo if it was meant to be :P

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/megaman/images/thumb/5/53/Vile.jpg/280px-Vile.jpg

See?

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that is unconfirmed. also, wasnt that note from Cain in the X4 manual only in the American version? as far as he is concerned, he dissapeared after X3. he was never mentioned in X4 except that note from Cain labs, which Im sure was only in the American release.
Yeah, but its damn well implied. Even if he isn't dead, he still explicitly states that he won't be around much longer. Also, no clue about whether it wasn't in the Jap manual or not.

And damn it, why do you drag me back in :P
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Rodrigo Shin on May 14, 2009, 06:11:14 AM
Far as I remember they say the Adion was a new Ride Chaser devised by Dr. Cain in the japanese materials for X4. I could be wrong.

The US manuals have the "Cain Labs" bit about Repliforce as a whole, and I guess also saying Double was created by him (protip: he wasn't).

Either way whether Cain died or not is irrelevant. The fact he was in a chair that takes roughly half of the [tornado fang]ing room he is and his statement that he won't be around for much longer gives me the feeling that if they did follow up to MHX3 like Inafucking intended, I don't doubt they'd just rewrite the games without him, as opposed to WHOA! He got a whole fuckload better all of a sudden.

But it doesn't matter now, since we're not getting MHX2.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Flame on May 14, 2009, 07:27:10 AM
The only reason the symbol is suspicious is cuz Vile and siggy are villains.

also, the cain labs bit is what im saying was, (if im right) only in the US manual. the Adion, well, we dont know when exactly he made it. from what I remember, there was no land chaser in X3... he could have developed it then, or some short time between 3 and 4...

Posted on: May 14, 2009, 01:26:40 AM
also, you DO know he can get up from his special chair right?
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Rodrigo Shin on May 14, 2009, 07:34:10 AM
also, the cain labs bit is what im saying was, (if im right) only in the US manual.
The thing about Cain Labs is that I don't think that it implies Cain himself has to be alive for it to exist. But I think that the 'memo' talked about in the manual proper has word of Dr. Cain himself in it saying Repliforce was a liability or somesuch. Either way, in the japanese material I don't think Cain was ever directly linked to Repliforce.

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Posted on: May 14, 2009, 01:26:40 AM
also, you DO know he can get up from his special chair right?
Look up at the last statement in my post, the keywords are bolded.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Zan on May 14, 2009, 03:00:35 PM
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Far as I remember they say the Adion was a new Ride Chaser devised by Dr. Cain in the japanese materials for X4. I could be wrong.

Cain didn't design it, but he did tune it for greater speed and power.

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Hell, he's even got the Maverick symbol right on his head, which they changed for MHX.


Which just means "I'm a bad guy." Besides, Vile always had respect for Sigma. He just doesn't take orders from him unless he actually likes the orders.

Besides, at one point in development VAVA actually had a frikken "Z" on his head. It's just a side effect of unit affiliation and now being an irregular. In my opinion, the "V" is far more fitting for him.

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What? If Vile doesn't define murderous reploid maverick,

Sigma is referring to the concept from RockmanX8. In which VAVA is amongst all the others that can go "maverick at will." It just means that Sigma has taken an interest in VAVA for his similarity to himself; both just do as they please without any compassion for others. He basically is saying he needs a murderous reploid maverick for the job, not any of those nobodies that follow out of loyalty, greed, boredom and weakness.


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See above. Vile had every reason to wanna destroy X in X3. Then he turns around and is following Sigma in X8.

The only thing really different with Vile is his obsession with X being portrayed as a bit childish. But he really has always been portrayed as wanting to destroy X out of personal reasons. For example, Iwamoto has VAVA wanting to destroy the legend of X's name. VAVA simply hates the potential that X is supposed to have.

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Where in X1 is Dr. Cain so ridiculously old he's in a wheel chair that will barely extend his life and then he gets blown to hell with the rest of a Maverick Hunter base?

Where in Day of Sigma was the Maverick Hunter base even destroyed? The entire city got hit with a missile barrage, but the effects were not as devastating as you claim they are. The missile that engulfed Cain's place (NOT Maverick Hunter base) hit approximately a city block away. Craters emphasize that the missiles didn't have such a wide destructive effect. NOTHING happened to Cain.

And Cain was always old, and absent from X1. The chair is a new addition, but that's because they're showing him outside of Hunter Base. Cause you know, the chair he sits in is not a wheel chair, it more than likely serves to assist him during dinner. MHX art clearly depicts Cain standing around as he does in X2 and X3.

Really, anything nothing is in contradiction with the rest of the X-series aside from just baseless assumptions.

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Even if he isn't dead, he still explicitly states that he won't be around much longer.

I don't see why Cain can't hold up for 6 months, several months, several months, several months and then die. Who knows, his spirit to live might even have been reawakened after the events of X1, that or he's sinking deeper into depression as the war wages on. Point is, he doesn't have to die then and there.

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Look up at the last statement in my post, the keywords are bolded.

But that's all the more reason to say there's no contradiction. MHX has to lead into X2~4. Only when there's an assured MHX2~4 can they decide to flat out retcon parts of the sequels. MHX was always written to work with the games that can't be remade, such as X7, XCM and X8.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Rodrigo Shin on May 14, 2009, 05:02:04 PM
But that's all the more reason to say there's no contradiction. MHX has to lead into X2~4. Only when there's an assured MHX2~4 can they decide to flat out retcon parts of the sequels. MHX was always written to work with the games that can't be remade, such as X7, XCM and X8.
Or, could it be its own entity, depends how you look at it. In the end it's ultimately up to the player what to make out if themselves.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Zan on May 14, 2009, 05:21:49 PM
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Or, could it be its own entity, depends how you look at it. In the end it's ultimately up to the player what to make out if themselves.

But Capcom has already said it is not its own entity. Saying it links to X8, saying it is how it was always meant to be, saying writers were given orders to stay as close to the original as possible.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Rodrigo Shin on May 14, 2009, 05:38:05 PM
But Capcom has already said it is not its own entity. Saying it links to X8, saying it is how it was always meant to be, saying writers were given orders to stay as close to the original as possible.
How does a link to X8 and staying close to the original as possible forbids them for trying something new at spots?

Really, there's no point in arguing it, all I am saying is that people can take it any way they'd like and I don't think any is less valid than the other. That's about it.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Zan on May 14, 2009, 05:51:42 PM
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How does a link to X8 and staying close to the original as possible forbids them for trying something new at spots?

I'm sure we were talking about it linking to the other games, not about forbidding new additions. It means it is not its own entity and therefore doesn't outright contradict anything but the game it is remaking.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
Post by: Rodrigo Shin on May 14, 2009, 05:55:48 PM
I'm sure we were talking about it linking to the other games, not about forbidding new additions. It means it is not its own entity and therefore doesn't outright contradict anything but the game it is remaking.
Considering the intended scope of the remakes was up to the when Cain was still somewhat front and center, that's why I'm saying that. Linking to X8 has no effect on that, since he just dropped altogether way before then.

Honestly, to me there ain't no point arguing this. I'm just prone to agree to disagree and stick to what I said above. Making out whatever you want from this is fine by me, saying only one particular way of viewing something like this is "valid" I don't agree with.
Title: Re: Maverick Hunter X, because I'm like 4 years behind you guys
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