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Gaming / Re: Wii regret?
« on: November 14, 2008, 08:23:28 AM »
I only have, and I'm completely honest here, two games for my Wii; SSBB (a must-have, of course  bVd ), and "Party Games," which is a third-party shitfest. But I still like my Wii.  >w<
The Raving Rabbids want a word with you.

Do not upset them...or they will find you...

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Gaming / Re: Obligatory Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum thread
« on: November 14, 2008, 06:28:58 AM »
One more than I've seen.  Again, aside from Red Gyarados, I played through both Silver and Crystal in addition to the above-mentioned.

The point is, it's not impossible, and it's not cheating. I'm not trying to change your mind and make you hump Hidden Power like a love doll, I'm just saying that calling someone who did the work and effort to get a Hidden Power Ice on their Raikou or Infernape isn't a cheater and not some dick move they did.
It is not impossible, my point this entire time has been probability, and I apologize for generalizing in my earlier posts.  But it is EXTREMELY unlikely.  And I don't think you realize how ridiculously common Hidden Power is in competitive communities, and that's solely because they were all "raised" on NetBattle.  Go into any competitive guide such as Serebii's Pokemon of the Week, and barring an "uber" TM pool, virtually every Pokemon with a viable Special Attack gets a mention of Hidden Power, often times with no given alternative.

On a non-breedable Pokemon it's especially bad, offering them as an example is unrealistic.  Raikou could DEFINITELY use it, there's no argument there, but who's going to sit through 3,000+ resets?  Having done a lot of reset-Mewtwo capturing I've seen how poor IVs can bite someone in the rear even with the supposedly ideal Nature.  Nature and Type you might get with a lot of dedication, but it ignores the Hidden Power strength and IV totals.  Both are critical if you're going to this much trouble to raise a Pokemon in the first place.  A 30-50 strength Hidden Power won't be worth much.

EDITS: I figured a different approach to determine the odds of a favorable Pokemon would be to just look at each final characteristic individually and multiply their odds together, rather than trying to work the entire IV formula at once.  Hopefully it'll be a little more accurate this way.  I figured how Breeding factors in to IV odds in this approach and offered examples.  Once again, Spoiler tag to conserve space:

[spoiler]Here's what I came up with:

Nature * HP Type * HP Power * Speed IV * Special Attack IV * Ability

Nature = Add 1/25 for each acceptable Nature
If Everstone breeding, [25 + (1 per acceptable Nature)]/50

HP Type = Add 1/16 for each acceptable Type

HP Power = 1 for 30 (minimum) or above.  3/4 for 40 or above.  1/2 for 50 or above.  1/4 for 60 and above.  1/40 for 70 (maximum).

Speed IV & Special Attack IV = Chance of favorable IV.  There are a total of 32 possible values (0-31), so take values that work divided by values that don't work.  If you want to figure this the "quick and dirty" way, any value 21 and above is approximately 1/3.
If breeding, [(1 per parent with favorable IV)/4] + [(Chance of favorable IV when not breeding) / 2]

Ability = 1/2 if Pokemon has 2 Abilities and you want a specific one.  1 if you don't care or the Pokemon has only one Ability.

Multiply all fractions together (ignore 1's since multiplying by 1 does nothing) to get your odds of obtaining the Pokemon you want.

Examples:
Wild Pokemon, 1 stat gain w/ any of 3 stat losses (3 Natures), 1 HP Type, HP Power > 60, Speed and Special Attack IVs > 21, Ability irrelevant
= 3/25 * 1/16 * 1/4 * 1/3 * 1/3 * 1
= 3/14400
= 1/4800

Everstone breeding, parents have all favorable Speed/Special Attack IVs, 1 stat gain w/ any of 3 stat losses (3 Natures), 1 HP Type, HP Power > 60, Speed and Special Attack IVs > 21, Ability irrelevant
= 28/50 * 1/16 * 1/4 * {[2/4] + [(1/3)/2]} * {[2/4] + [(1/3)/2]} * 1
= 28/50 * 1/16 * 1/4 * {[3/6] + [1/6]} * {[3/6] + [1/6]} * 1
= 28/50 * 1/16 * 1/4 * 4/6 * 4/6 * 1
= 14/25 * 1/16 * 1/4 * 2/3 * 2/3 * 1
= 56/14400
~= 1/257

This formula reflects overall odds of each aspect individually, but there may be some room for error due to how a successful IV breed affects the Hidden Power formula, which can either hurt you or help you.  Be weary of how IVs you are attempting to breed fit into the Hidden Power formulas.  For instance, if you are trying to breed a strong Special Attack IV, but it's even and not odd, your Hidden Power Type value cannot be above 11, meaning you cannot have a Psychic, Ice, Dragon, or Dark Hidden Power if that IV is successfully passed to the new Pokemon.

This actually brings the Hidden Power Type odds down to 1/12 if you're looking for one outside of those four (and of course zero if you weren't).  But that applies only on a successful breed to the Special Attack IV, which is 1/4 of the time for each parent.  So, yeah, it can get very confusing.

Remember, at the end of the day, a bred Pokemon ALWAYS inherits 3 IVs from its parents.  1 from mom, 1 from dad, 1 at random.  The other three are always generated from scratch.  Which 3 are inherited and which 3 are from scratch are impossible to control, just gotta keep hatching until you get it.[/spoiler]

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Gaming / Re: Obligatory Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum thread
« on: November 14, 2008, 05:58:45 AM »
Sky Shaymin is going to be so evil...

Because you keep bringing up the storage space :P
Only for a sense of perspective, not as a limitation, you misread my posts.  Storage space is never a concern, the Release option is always there.

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The odds of getting a shiny are 1 in 8,192 battles. Sounds like an easier job to get a particular Hidden Power than it is a Shiny. A lot of people also happen to have a shiny. Granted, the GC games aren't exactly the BEST place to get Pokemon (if you hack the key items, Lugia and Ho-oh become available, as well as Mew and Deoxys. Celebii and Jirachi are about the only ones that are best gotten from the bonus discs), it still isn't too difficult. Though, there are other games that do have them. Simply save before talking to Oak in Fire Red or Leaf Green to bring out the beasts, do the hunt, and get the nature and IVs set (and in the case of Entei, it doesn't matter since it's a physical user anyway, and Suicune serves a different purpose. Raikou would be the ONLY one that needs a particular IV set). Get the right set, save, and send it over.
A lot of people go through their entire game never finding a Shiny.  I've gone through four and a half games and never found a Shiny (Sapphire, two Fire Red playthroughs, Diamond, and halfway through Emerald; this is not including GCN games, I'm not sure if Shinys appear there or not, or GBC games, because I don't know if odds were different back then).  Also bear in mind, a Shiny can be any species, we're looking for one.  People who hunt Shinys do so through chaining, not through random encounters.

Stastically speaking, if you encounter three Pokemon of any species whose Nature/IVs fit the above description, you'll have encountered one Shiny along the way.

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Gaming / Re: Obligatory Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum thread
« on: November 14, 2008, 05:33:18 AM »
That's EVs, they were actually the same ever since 1st gen.  But since internet battling wasn't in full swing, nobody really cared, as EV-training was in no way necessary to beat Stadium.

IVs were redone between 2nd and 3rd gen.  In 2nd gen they were 0-15, in 3rd they're 0-31.  In 2nd gen, it wasn't as big a deal as getting a bad one, since it's a 15 point loss versus a 31 point loss.  That in addition to the fact that 3rd gen introduced Natures.  So, yeah, Hidden Power was a lot more practical in 2nd gen.

How many natures are there? Take that and divide by 100, and that's your chances of getting one normally. To make one 50% over ALL the others is a HUGE benefit, since that logically means that 1 of 2 eggs will have the right nature. You simply go from there. (If you also read my post correctly, I said no eggs anywhere. I already know that when one shows up it's set, it's a matter of resetting when it ISN'T there)
Natures you can accept divided by total Natures (25).  In most cases we're probably looking at 3 that'll work, which comes to 12% normally.  4% for every acceptable Nature.

I already stated in my post, as fact, that Everstone breeding is 50/50.  When did I ever say that wasn't worthwhile?  50%, or rather 56% if you account for random winning over in spite of Everstone failure, is every bit worth it.  I merely stated it's not the guaranteed solution you implied.

Again, resetting when the egg isn't there does nothing speed-wise, therefore not helping in ease of training.  It only saves PC storage space.  I don't know why you brought it up.

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No one ever said it was easy to get a particular Hidden Power. Granted there's a lot of work to put in there, it doesn't mean that it's impossible. It's like accusing the top positioned players for cheating because it takes an insane amount of work to get that high. Just because it's difficult as all hell doesn't mean it isn't possible. Just find out what IVs are need in what areas to get a particular type and power (which you can do with Shoddy just by going to editing a team, setting the type and power, and just record the results). Once that's done, just breed, find out the IVs, and if they match, hooray (or just use an IV Calculator that already tells you what type it is).

It's like searching for buried treasure. The amount of effort you can put in can be quite exhausting, but once you find it, it makes it all the more worthwhile. That's why Hidden Power is on Pokemon that have very few offensive types to use, with the few exceptions being ones to just let it be a Mixed Sweeper such as Infernape.
If you cannot top 300-to-1 odds, your likelihood with an imperfect setup being exponentially more abysmal, then it's not practical.  Of course it's rewarding, I never questioned that.  But it's like winning the in-game Master Ball lottery.  You cannot depend on it.

Since you brought up resetting for a Legend, I'll tackle that one as well (It's also useful for considering how long it'll take you to capture ideal parents for the breeding setup).  Let's say we're Master Balling Colosseum's Raikou for the sake of an Ice Type Hidden Power, and you don't care whether it's Attack, Defense, or Special Defense that takes the Nature hit.

Acceptable Nature: 3/25
Acceptable Special Attack IV: 3/32
Acceptable Speed IV: 3/32
Acceptable Special Defense IV (you WILL NOT break 50 strength without it): 16/32 = 1/2
At least 2 of the 3 remaining IVs are even (all three may be required depending on Special Defense IV): 4/8 = 1/2
Throw them all together:  Approximately 1 in 3,792

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Gaming / Re: Obligatory Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum thread
« on: November 14, 2008, 05:00:53 AM »
Well, Ballade, it's true that number is without a breeding setup.  However, you're Everstone info is wrong, even with Everstone breeding you can never have more than a 50/50 chance of passing on a Nature.  And I can tell you from personal experience that despite those claims, it make take a lot more than two breeding attempts before you're successful on Nature alone.

Besides saving PC space, resetting Eggs is pointless if you left the parents with the Daycare couple.  The Pokemon's stats are determined when the egg is received, not when it hatches, so you will not save any time.  Legends can be reset easily, of course, and should be if you want them to be decent in battle anyway.

You also have to account for your IV totals.  IVs range from 0-31, gaining 1 additional stat point for every IV at level 100.  That is a HUGE difference, so you want it to be favorable, in Speed especially a low IV can be detrimental.  If you're calculating Hidden Power, regardless of how lousy the resulting IVs are (you can get an ideal Hidden Power with no IVs greater than 3), the odds may look manageable.  1 in 64 if you're hoping for a specific Type matching or surpassing the strength of Aerial Ace.  But then Natures, even with Everstone breeding, take it down to 1 in 128.  And looking for IV totals suitable for competition brings it down further.

I did salvage my more detailed rant from RPM thanks to the magic of Google archives, which went into further details.  I'll Spoiler tag it for the sake of space, but long story short, if you're trying to get a favorable IV setup as well you're looking at approximately 1 in 320 odds even with the best possible breeding setup.

Granted this does not account for odd-ball scenarios such as failure to breed an IV while the resulting random IV is one of the three-or-so acceptable values; but the likelihood of going to such extreme lengths in a breeding setup are slim anyway, so this is still a fairly accurate idea of the pains it takes to legitimately get an ideal Hidden Power on a Pokemon with competitive IV's.

*removed due to inaccuracies, mainly roundoff error*

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Gaming / Re: Obligatory Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum thread
« on: November 14, 2008, 04:21:45 AM »
That's because Hidden Power in anything but NetBattle is a dead giveaway of a PokeSaver.  The odds of getting a specific type of Hidden Power, and strength of 50 or more, along with a specific Nature all in the same Pokemon are approximately 800 to 1.  And that's the optimistic version, most trainers wouldn't want to settle for a strength of less than 60.

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Gaming / Re: Obligatory Pokemon Diamond/Pearl/Platinum thread
« on: November 14, 2008, 04:14:30 AM »
I asked Vixy to recover my mini-rant on this and it unfortunately was not found.

Hidden Power of a single type is used by cheaters.  Have you ever tried engineering one, of a single type AND favorable power, while at the same time maintaining a proper Nature?  God help you if there are two different Abilities to choose from.  Even with the best possible breeding setup, you're more likely to fill your entire cartridge with failure-breds than to get the 'man you're after.

Hidden Power is a gimmick that is abused by NetBattle.  To one who battles on the actual games, it has almost no value.

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General / Re: The filters are a little more strict this time...
« on: November 14, 2008, 04:06:26 AM »
Yet another censor problem:

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I'm amazed at how much Wind Waker camera and an accurate dhighly enjoyabletion of the sun's movements means to some people, but to each their own.

Now, honestly....  I leave them on because they're usually funny.

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Gaming / Re: Wii regret?
« on: November 14, 2008, 04:04:57 AM »
I'm surprised.  Mario Kart Wii was one of the big let-downs, unless you're good at directing your attention solely at the online mode.  The AI in that game blows, and this is coming from someone who defends Double Dash.

But there is another unavoidable reason to love your Wii:

[tornado fang]ing BIOLLANTE!

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Gaming / Re: Wii regret?
« on: November 14, 2008, 03:59:31 AM »
After this?

No way in hell.

There are perhaps one or two games I didn't need to buy (NiGHTS Journey of Dreams......why?).  But for the system as a whole, I love it.  And I STILL haven't gotten my hands on Galaxy yet.  Plus Punch-Out!! is on its way.

Oh, and Zelda's Helm Splitter pjwns on the Wii version, period.  I also enjoy having more than two items accessible.  I'm amazed at how much Wind Waker camera and an accurate portrayal of the sun's movements means to some people, but to each their own.

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Gaming / Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread
« on: November 13, 2008, 11:26:02 PM »
Well, I'm off for now.  Brother's home, so we're snagging dinner and possibly a show/movie.

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Gaming / Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread
« on: November 13, 2008, 11:13:34 PM »
That and I kept jump-roping your Volt Tackle. :P

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Gaming / Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread
« on: November 13, 2008, 11:04:14 PM »
In the words of Spawn:
WAAAANDAAAA!!!!

Doh, cant download it. :o
Oh.  In that case, I'll enter your Wii Console code so I can send it to you directly sometime.

Hypershell this was too cruel to me ;__;
Eh, yeah, I had quite a streak, didn't I?  Love the Sudden Death where you got killed by the ogre while I was careening into the distance from a Bob-omb rain. 8)

Also had fun dropping the Electrode on you while you were trapped in the blocks.  I was just hoping the 'man inside would clear the blocks, didn't expect that to happen.

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Gaming / Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread
« on: November 13, 2008, 09:52:23 PM »
Giving Wanderer the benefit of the doubt, let's try it again.

EDITS: Damn, got four people without me... :'(

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Gaming / Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread
« on: November 13, 2008, 09:48:55 PM »
That's what happens when you try to use the stage modifier with someone who doesn't have the stage.

Either Wanderer or Jericho wasn't set.  Whichever one it was, I'll again direct your attention to the link from my last post.

http://mysite.verizon.net/Serpentara/KingBowser.zip

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Gaming / Re: RPM's Gaming Tube Central
« on: November 13, 2008, 09:45:51 PM »
Alright, thanks Vix! 8)

EDITS: Figures, it's the one where you two sword maniacs [twin slasher] me while I'm Bowser at the beginning.  I was HOPING you'd go back to Peach, it was the only reason I took a break on Yoshi.  Oh well, was still fun, and I made Ephi pay... :W

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Gaming / Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread
« on: November 13, 2008, 09:45:01 PM »
Looks like SOMEBODY wasn't ready...

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Gaming / Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread
« on: November 13, 2008, 09:28:27 PM »
Sorry for dropping out, didn't know if Wanda and Jericho were ready or not (before Ephi joined somebody crashed the match that way).

Guess I'd better get my Super Dragon butt back online. 8)

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Gaming / Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread
« on: November 13, 2008, 07:36:53 PM »
I need up to three sexcellent players to try something.  If you want to participate, I need you to do the following:

1. Download and add this stage to your game:
http://mysite.verizon.net/Serpentara/KingBowser.zip
Anyone who's already been receiving stages from me (PB, Vix, Jericho, etc.) should have it already.

2. Play at least one match in the stage.

3. Meet me on wi-fi for a 25-50% chance of something awesome.

I'll be online in a few minutes.  See you guys there!

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Gaming / Re: Super Smash Bros. Thread
« on: November 13, 2008, 06:00:28 PM »
Sex.  Brawl.  Hard to pick just one.

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X / Re: X is a pervert!
« on: November 13, 2008, 05:58:54 PM »
Hm, good point.

I STILL miss Roll's washing machine body.

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X / Re: X is a pervert!
« on: November 13, 2008, 05:33:39 PM »
Yeah, I don't see him as a perv.  Oblivious, definitely.  We all know X is going to get blitzed one of these days, Alia can only take the dunce shpiel for so long before she snaps.  And my, how I await that day. 8)

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Forum Games / Re: Add a caption to the previous poster's avatar, ROUND TWO!
« on: November 13, 2008, 04:55:24 PM »
"Wake me again and DIE."

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Gaming / Re: Characters you HATE.
« on: November 13, 2008, 08:11:06 AM »
You know, Neko, you should stop paying so much attention to my butt.  I know a woman or two who will kill you for that. :P

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Forum Games / Re: Add a caption to the previous poster's avatar, ROUND TWO!
« on: November 13, 2008, 07:47:48 AM »
"Super Macho Man has nothing on MY manboob dance!"

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