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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => ZX => Topic started by: Trang on November 08, 2008, 06:17:40 PM
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So, I posted this before the forum reset, and I think I had no replies...
No one made high quality scans on the Gigamix artwork??
I'm really in search of them.
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If MMN doesn't have it, probably no one else does at the moment. I wouldn't mind being disabused though.
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at first, i thought the only track worth listening to in Gigamix was Trap Fanatics. but i gave it another listen recently, and discovered a couple more tracks that i actually like.
Believe in Myself was actually pretty good. the instrumentation was top notch, and the vocals weren't as abrasive as i first thought. not nearly as earrape as Be One, but still not quite as good as Innocense.
Whisper of Relics is also really good, which is weird cause i didn't like the original or the ZXA Tunes version at all. i'm not a fan of ambience. but Gigamix made some nice changes to the sound.
Bullet Drive isn't too bad either, though i do prefer ZXA Tunes' version. aside from those, the only track i can even listen to is Battle Giga Mixture, but even then it's not all that great. while it does immensely improve Divine Hammer, and i like it's take on Dance Macabre better than the other two versions, everything else kinda fails in comparison to their Tunes versions.
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I'm not very interested on the tracks, listen to some but don't really liked it.
I was talking about art scans.
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III dropped the ball on gigamix. RTRZ 1-4, and Zx/A tunes were awesome, but GM sucked entirely.
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Holy crap, it had young PnP. Just that on great quality (because the version around is really poor) would make my day... er... YEAR.
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Like Aile and guy shishio, young P and P is uesless without the appropriate wincest doujins.
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I had mixed feelings about sharing these but after some private conversation, I figured the community could benefit from it. It's not the highest possible quality but it's still good enough for viewing:
<<EDIT: Removed dead link. If you're looking for scans, you can find better ones here (http://www.game-ost.com/albums/852/rockman_zx_soundsketch_).>>
I scanned the noteworthy illustrations. The booklet has concept art scattered in the other pages, but it's mostly covered by text and from what I could tell, it's nothing we haven't seen. Many thanks to Kieran Walker for his help in purchasing the album.
The contents of the booklet are:
- Liner Notes
- Track Notes (Hitoshi Ariga)
- Spread from Yoshihiro Iwamoto (Death and Witch)
- Lyrics
- Spread from Hitoshi Ariga (Girls Bravo)
- Profile
Cast:
Sanae Kobayashi : Vent, Aile
Ryo Hirohashi : Prairie
Michitaka Kobayashi : Fleuve, Hunter
Daisuke Kishio : Prometheus, Truite
Shizuka Ito : Pandora
Hisayo Yanai : Oeillet, Anchor
Yuuki Tai : Mick
Masakazu Kohara : Robin, Hunter, Reporter
Rio Totsuka : Cedre, Computer
Kanae Ito: Sardine, Shop attendant
Satomi Sato: Rose, Waitress
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Thank you dude, that's neat!
Only one question: isn't there a better pic of young PnP?
The only one available is that in which you have the cd plastic over it?
If not, would you scan it please?
If so, is it possible to remove that plastic part for a better pic (only if you're in a good mood)?
Thank you again.
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Young Pandora is so cute.
also, that was some kickass Prometheus concept art!
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Aww... Aile and Pirarie in Girls Bravo... :3
And seriously, the concepts for PnP are awesome, the pre-Pandora would be nice, though pre-Promete's head looks weird... XD
Thanks for these, Robert Oakes. 8)
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That Aile looks...:3
Awesome
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Thank you dude, that's neat!
Only one question: isn't there a better pic of young PnP?
The only one available is that in which you have the cd plastic over it?
If not, would you scan it please?
If so, is it possible to remove that plastic part for a better pic (only if you're in a good mood)?
Thank you again.
That's the only image of the two if you don't count the first panel of Death and Witch. Also, the album was difficult to find and expensive to boot, so I'm not willing to risk damage in an attempt to get a better scan, sorry.
On a side note, could someone please translate the Liner Notes (included in the file)? I may consider scanning the other pages if someone is willing to translate them as well.
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That's the only image of the two if you don't count the first panel of Death and Witch.
And that would be...?
Also, the album was difficult to find and expensive to boot, so I'm not willing to risk damage in an attempt to get a better scan, sorry.
That's fine...
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You know, that picture of Prairie in the dress from Girls Bravo might as well have "Hi, my name is Alouette" printed under it. >_>
Honestly, if that's not proof of her identity, then I don't know what.
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As if Ciel had any OTHER Reploid little sister who witnessed Ragnarok fall, clings to a stuffed animal she gave her, and has a nostalgic schoolgirl crush on Girouette and/or Zero?
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And yet I've still had people [sonic slicer] at me for referring to her as Alouette because I had no "proof."
I guess blatantly obvious hints aren't good enough for some people.
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Anyone who didn't think it was allouette the second the artwork for Zx was 1st released needs to be shot. The seiyuu was even exactly the same.
Same goes for ZERO/Girouette
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Except Zero isn't Girouette. Girouette simply is a Repliroid that resembles Zero and thus make the hearts of young army leading girls go wild.
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Yeah, Zero's soul can't be in two places at once. Besides, Inti-Zero doesn't have blue eyes.
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We can't exactly say that Ciel is Roll or Alia either.
And that would be...?
It's included in the scans, it isn't hard to spot.
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Yeah, Zero's soul can't be in two places at once. Besides, Inti-Zero doesn't have blue eyes.
Thank you for bringing that up. Notice that the rockmen that fuse with their models have the same color eyes as the model's original character? (ex. X and Vent/Alie have green eyes; Zero from X series and Girouette have blue eyes). However what puzzles me is that any OTHER rockman (excluding Grey/Ashe) has red eyes (Serpent, Helios, Atlas, Thetis, Siarnaq, Albert, Rufus, and possibly Pandora&Prometheus). No one else think that's a little odd?
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Thank you for bringing that up. Notice that the rockmen that fuse with their models have the same color eyes as the model's original character? (ex. X and Vent/Alie have green eyes; Zero from X series and Girouette have blue eyes). However what puzzles me is that any OTHER rockman (excluding Grey/Ashe) has red eyes (Serpent, Helios, Atlas, Thetis, Siarnaq, Albert, Rufus, and possibly Pandora&Prometheus). No one else think that's a little odd?
I've notice that. Serpent and Albert have Model W/V and since Weil when you see his glass helmet is broken you can see he has red eyes.
As for the small4 it could be because they are mind controled so it's possible that's the reason their eyes are like that since Giro's eyes turned red when he was controled.
Rufus is a character Sub Tank made for parody sake and is not in ZX at all.
PnP are Reploids made for testing Model W/V by Albert so that's the reason for that.
These are just theories of course except for Rufus.
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The small 4's eyes are red because they're mind-controlled, yes. Grey's eyes were red right after he was activated too, but they faded to green immediately afterward, which is when Pandora showed up talking about how the mind-control didn't work and Grey was therefore defective.
Also, PnP weren't made to -test- Model W. Albert deliberately tortured them for centuries to drive them into enough of an insanity-driven rage to -fully awaken- Ouroboros.
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Actually he made them to seek out Rockmen and bring them into the Game of Destiny.
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Actually he made them to seek out Rockmen and bring them into the Game of Destiny.
No, that was Albert's ruse to hide his true intentions from the two. The whole Game of Destiny was a set up Albert devised to gather the Model W fragments, so that the hatred from Prometheus and Pandora could serve as the catalyst to create Ouroboros.
The small 4's eyes are red because they're mind-controlled, yes. Grey's eyes were red right after he was activated too, but they faded to green immediately afterward, which is when Pandora showed up talking about how the mind-control didn't work and Grey was therefore defective.
Pandora said that Grey's brainwashing was incomplete as a result of Grey being awakened prematurely. It's not that the process wasn't working; it was interrupted.
It should also be mentioned that even though the four Mega Men were conditioned in some level, they weren't bound to Albert's will. This is evidenced by Aeolus's willingness to defeat Albert in order to become king. It isn't true mind control as the four were still in control of their own actions.
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Edit: Oops, Oakie beat me to it.
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Pandora said that Grey's brainwashing was incomplete as a result of Grey being awakened prematurely. It's not that the process wasn't working; it was interrupted.
It should also be mentioned that even though the four Mega Men were conditioned in some level, they weren't bound to Albert's will. This is evidenced by Aeolus's willingness to defeat Albert in order to become king. It isn't true mind control as the four were still in control of their own actions.
Even Pandora and Prometheus, who Albert keeps on the tightest leash of all, are still capable of opposing Albert. He manipulates them, but not necessarilly in the possessed sense.
Zan and I have been over this one in the past, particularly the point of why the mind-control is incomplete on Grey despite Grey being cooped up in his capsure for far longer than the Four. The probable answer we came up with (and by we, I mean he came up with it and ran it by me to see whether or not I could tear it apart) is the absence of Model A. The mind control overrides the Biometal's will with that of the user, so the Biometal would in theory have to be present for it to be completed.
Another interesting point of that discussion was that the mind control may not have ever been intended for anyone but Grey in the first place, considering that Albert's original plan would have been for all Game Of Destiny participants to have Model W fragments. PnP likely decided to apply it to others after the monkey wrench that is Ciel's legendary hero Biometals were thrown into the mix.
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The small 4's eyes are red because they're mind-controlled, yes. Grey's eyes were red right after he was activated too, but they faded to green immediately afterward, which is when Pandora showed up talking about how the mind-control didn't work and Grey was therefore defective.
more of an orange really...
and I still think Rufus was an awesome idea for a enemy. ive always wondered what the music he used was from though.
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and I still think Rufus was an awesome idea for a enemy. ive always wondered what the music he used was from though.
Go play some Final Fantasy 7.
(and by we, I mean he came up with it and ran it by me to see whether or not I could tear it apart)
Naturally, if you can't tear it apart, it must be a pretty solid answer.
PnP likely decided to apply it to others after the monkey wrench that is Ciel's legendary hero Biometals were thrown into the mix.
With all Ciel's mucking up the Game of Destiny, it's such irony that Albert was defeated by his own back up. Though the need for Grey probably arose from Ciel's Livemetal creation in the first place, so I suppose it is simply fate.
The mind control overrides the Biometal's will with that of the user, so the Biometal would in theory have to be present for it to be completed.
I'd like to add here that Pandora does not specify whose mind is supposed to be controlled. It's the fans assumption that his mind is the one that should have been controlled using the mind control. Grey's might question what they have done to him, but it's revealed Grey was made to be Albert's back up and thus should be one his side without any mind control, as a matter of fact, Albert believes until the end that Grey would turn to his side of his own free will.
Really, the only thing that would go with Grey needing mind control is the fact that he's constantly referred to as a defective, but that is simply Pandora and Prometheus' view spread around to the Falseroids and Chosen Ones. Pandora and Prometheus are obviously biased against all of Albert's creations. There are also more reason for Grey being defective, like him missing vital info about the Game of Destiny and also Model A not being surpressed. If both those parameters were met, then they wouldn't need mind control to turn Grey to Albert's side. The information given through the ciphers is why Albert kept on hoping that Grey would turn to his side, he just didn't expect Model A to withhold it.
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There's also the fact that among Grey's first experiences was being rescued by a stranger. In essence he was given a crash course in benevolence before he came into contact with Model A. Perhaps if PnP had attempted to take Grey as a pupil, or even if Grey had found Model A while on the run, things would have been different.
Seems to be a recurring point of interest what effect, if any at all, the mind control has on the host. Thetis always has me raising eyebrows on that one. While the others seem to fight for pain, vengeance, and superiority, Thetis has a noble enough cause. He's just going about it the wrong way.
Then there's Giro, back in Z1. Model Z was obviously being suppressed during the battle with him, otherwise he could have canceled the transformation of his own accord. I wonder, is that incident related to what was done to Grey and the four? Does Model Z's status as the only Biometal to come out of such suppression (after sound beating) have anything to do with his last-ditch effort against the four in ZXA?
Man, the speculation can run pretty rampant there....
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Model W's influence gave Corrupted Giro enough power to suppress his Biometal. I think its more of a matter of the biomatches suppressing the biometals... OR the biometals have been attuned to their biomatches way of thinking...
either way, I think it has something to do with the biomatch thing...
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I don't think that's possible under normal circumstances. If that were true then Model Z should not be able to cancel a Double Rock On independent of the host, as it does in ZXA. Also notice Grey making the demand of Model A to change him back before the train stage. A Biometal's power is not taken, it is offered. All six of Ciel's Biometals reiterate that they offered their power to Vent/Aile before the final round with Serpent in ZX, and encourage him/her to go on where he/she would have given up, further establishing their will as independent of their host.
"Biomatch" is simply another term for the host of a Biometal, synonymous with Chosen One as far as I can tell.
OR the biometals have been attuned to their biomatches way of thinking...
If that were the case they would still continue to speak, as Models X and Z do.
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Am I the only one who really likes Target Chaser up to about 1:15 where it just falls apart and sounds as bad
as someone who can't sing trying for something normally quite good? it just sounds bad okay