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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => X => Topic started by: Jetfire on January 05, 2010, 06:19:45 AM
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Do we have any official information as to why Sigma's final X8 body looks incomplete? The X6 body looked more complete than that one. Is that just raw power? And what gave Sigma the boost of confidence that he would win this time? He seemed more confident than usual and really felt that what he once described as an "eternal struggle" with X would finally end but he never specified why.
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I... I... I... goddamn, Jetfire! GODDAMN!
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That body never struck me as incomplete. It's just the look of it.
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Belial Sigma (is that even the canonic name?) always struck me as a being that's begun to blurr the lines between a "real" and a data lifeform. We can see something that looks like data oozing from the body, circling around it and "filling" the gaps of the physical body. It litterally looks like it's half physical, half virus.
So what is this? Sigma's ultimate evolution? A being that's both physical and digital, yet neither? Is he attempting to become a complete data lifeform that still needs some structural components to interact with our realm of perception? I honestly would like to know.
He seemed more confident than usual and really felt that what he once described as an "eternal struggle" with X would finally end but he never specified why.
I got the impression that he was trying to imply that he would win, even if X managed to destroyed that current (or last?) body of him, since all the NextGens have the potential to become Sigma. What is worse than one Sigma that keeps coming back? An army of Sigmas. Not to mention he was yet again trying to undermine X' fighting spirit with all that evolution crap, something that Lumine seemed to be better at than he was.
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If im right, canonically, that was his strongest body ever. He pooled all of his virus into raw power to defeat X and Zero. Which is why he died when he was defeated instead of surviving through the virus. nope, this time he died. just like in X5.
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It is Sigma's strongest battle body ever. It was also scheduled to undergo maintenance, but the Hunters arrived before that time.
Any relation between that body and the virus, however, is unknown.
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Sourced on that, Zan? I can hardly believed it's supposed to be his mightiest ever. Not that size matters, but I always assumed something like Final Sigma W from X5 would be his ultimate battle form.
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Sourced on that, Zan?
MarshmallowMan, some X8 book.
I always assumed something like Final Sigma W from X5 would be his ultimate battle form.
Kaiser Sigma and Final Sigma W were his ultimate battle bodies at that time in the series. X8 Sigma trumps them both, apparently.
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I don't really see how Belial Sigma is supposed to be Sigma's ultimate form if he doesn't have any ability or power that wasn't already used by him in another appearance.
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Sigma's powers in X8 are quite different, actually. Mostly his use of vanishing in the midst of battle and of course, the Sigma Blade. It's a form that should have made him invincible, but alas, that battle was three versus one.
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He teleported in X4 and X5 too.
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What he does in X8 is not exactly conventional teleportation.
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Sigma never displayed any indication that he felt his X8 body was incomplete like he did with Final Sigma W. If So, why not wait for completion before fighting?
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I'm personally of the "viral energy with a material shell" opinion on Belial Sigma, though I would not commit to where the line is drawn in the functionality of those two aspects of the body. Marshmallow Man's argued with me to hell and back about it and there's really no way to draw detailed conclusions. But I'm not buying the X8 body as just another Reploid.
For the virus not to be involved in Sigma's X8 body leaves the question of why his X8 death should be considered final. This of course is not a very clearly answered question regardless, but still, it at least gives you something to start with.
I'll easily swallow X8's form being the most powerful yet; in fact I pretty much banked on it long before Marshmallow supplied such info. In comparing Sigma's attitude in X8 to previous games there is a fairly obvious shift. Ever since X4 he's had a "screw you, I'll be back" attitude, Final Sigma W being the only time during that 4-game stretch that he was playing for keeps (and that was with a body made by someone with the inside scoop on Zero, so it is understandable). In X8, by VERY sharp contrast, Sigma really expects to come out on top, getting so cocky as to refer to the Hunters as "powerless", and still believing his defeat impossible when it actually happens. Assuming Sigma DIDN'T lose his mind (which he already did in X6 and even so still wasn't so surprised at "death"), his X8 body has to be far more powerful than his previous forms in order to justify his mentality.
The general vibe I get is that Sigma is gathering all his power this time. He's got an army of soldiers mass-produced under the public's nose, in charge of the biggest project the planet has seen, and all without requiring, or even allowing should push come to shove, viral manipulation of any kind. Seems only logical to me that Sigma would therefore focus his viral energy on battle.
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In X5, that was also another instance where he seemed to have stretched his virus thin, thus not being able to resuscitate, (his attitude during death was not his usual, but more of a desperate one. He knew he would die, but he wouldnt die alone.) X5 and in 8, in both he has used up his virus for one reason or another, and thus,actually "died" .
I am also btw, of the Viral body idea like Hypershell.
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Where is this info that Marshmellow man supplied?
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The majestic void that is the long lost forum.
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Before the world of RPM was reset.
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I Thought Sigma was dead because they fought on the moon, essentialy wiping out all traces of Sigma and the new gens. Three went in, and only three ever came out again kinda thing. I never thought it was so complicated.
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I Thought Sigma was dead because they fought on the moon, essentialy wiping out all traces of Sigma and the new gens. Three went in, and only three ever came out again kinda thing. I never thought it was so complicated.
why would simply fighting on the moon kill Sigma? Theyve fought in Space before, and Sigma came back from that.
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Yeah, your right. I forgot all about X4. My bad.
So that begs the question; Why did he die and not come back ?
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Yeah, your right. I forgot all about X4. My bad.
So that begs the question; Why did he die and not come back ?
Why are we starting with this again?
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Yeah, your right. I forgot all about X4. My bad.
So that begs the question; Why did he die and not come back ?
havent we already been through this..? 8U
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the virus fell down from the exploded space station but couldnt get off the moon
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None of that, since that's forgetting the obvious: Sigma can just occupy another body and go back as Reploid, he does not have to cover that distance as a virus.
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Your reasoning is that he focused all of his viral self into one body and was unable to replicate? Is this statement correct?
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ARGH! STOP THIS!
In X4, his virus form fell to Earth because of Earth's gravitational influence.
In X8, the moon's gravity kept him trapped there. He couldn't return to Earth because of that. And no one went to the moon (that I know of) afterwards, so his influence was nil; no one to infect.
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ARGH! STOP THIS!
In X4, his virus form fell to Earth because of Earth's gravitational influence.
In X8, the moon's gravity kept him trapped there. He couldn't return to Earth because of that. And no one went to the moon (that I know of) afterwards, so his influence was nil; no one to infect.
*Ahum*
Sigma can just occupy another body and go back as Reploid.
Your reasoning is that he focused all of his viral self into one body and was unable to replicate? Is this statement correct?
No real reasoning, just observing that Sigma did not have a second form, and knew his demise was final.
If you want reasoning, you can compare it with RockmanX5. But that's only beginning to touch the surface, as Lumine cannot be forgotten.
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But my point was there weren't any other reploids for him to possess. Meh. Zan has spoken, topic over.
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But my point was there weren't any other reploids for him to possess.
How about his own body? The guy has endless back up bodies. Played X3 lately?
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Good point. And no. Maybe I should...
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Something like that.
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Very good point. But were any of those ON THE MOON WITH HIM?
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Apparently not. But we were discussing X4 here.
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The question is, why wouldn't he take them with him? Just as much as X8 begs the question: Where is the huge Sigma final form?
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He was as always, an overconfident arrogant twat. And once again got his ass handed to him on a Titanium-Z platter.
Also, theoretically, we fought Sigma twice, just like always. (Copy Sigma on Gateway, and Belial Sigma on the moon.)
But I DO miss my big huge Sigma transformation- Which goes back to my first point.
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Very good point. But were any of those ON THE MOON WITH HIM?
Didn't they all go kaboom at the end of X3 anyway?
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Thats not the point. The point is did he have any backups in X8.
the answer being no.
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And the mystery is solved! Now can we please stop going in circles here?
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NEVER. PROGRESS IS FOR MAVERICKS.
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OH NOES! I AM T3H 1RR3GULAR! *destroyed*
*respawns*
Better. Still, I think we've resolved many issues here.
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Thing is, because he did not bring any backups, we must assess why he did not. Surely he thought it pointless, like he considered his victory assured, just as much as he knew his death was certain when that was proven false.
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Meh. He was just a stubborn idiot at the end there. All that reviving destroyed his intelligence a little.
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Wasn't Lumine using Sigma? Besides that, we all know that the Maverick wars didn't end until the mother elf erradicated the Maverick virus, right? So if Sigma and the maverick virus are so closely tied together, one could assume that he is not gone, only dormant.
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The virus still lives if he dies. Only the portion of him that actually carried his soul dies.
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The virus still lives if he dies. Only the portion of him that actually carried his soul dies.
If we're talking about the Sigma Virus, then my understanding (based on the many musings of Zan, Marshmallow, and Hypershell) is that Sigma's life essence was so tied up with the thing, it would be impossible to eradicate him unless every last trace of the virus were destroyed.
Me, I really don't think Sigma is gone-for-good-dead. He's just supervillain dead. Supervillains have a tendency to revive against all odds and expectations. For instance, the majority of the Street Fighter community was absolutely sure M. Bison died in Street Fighter II at the hands of Akuma. Then Street Fighter 4 rolls around. Guess who the Shun Goku Satsu failed to kill.
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X5 and 6 seem to disagree. Maverick exist regardless. The sigma virus just remains a snake without a head. (I think?) *waits on Zan or one of the other gurus to solidify the matter*
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The sigma virus just remains a snake without a head. (I think?) *waits on Zan or one of the other gurus to solidify the matter*
Sigma had the ability to use the Sigma Virus as he pleased and was able to twist the hearts of specific Repliroids to work out his schemes. While Sigma's concious is tied to the virus, the virus itslf can still be around without Sigma. With Sigma's apparent destruction on the moon (I can't really believe Sigma to be so overconfident that he would not consider having a backup plan up his sleeve, it's so unlike him.), the controller of the virus was killed. The remains of the virus continued to spread across the world, infecting Repliroids and Mechaniroids at random. Not to mention that there were still Irregulars who either turned berserk due to technical issues or because they chose to be.
This would remain the status quo until Ciel's ancestor developed the Sigma Antibody Program, the Motherelf, and gave it to X to erase the Sigma Virus and revert Repliroid programming back to it's original state.
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Pretty much correct, Saber. The Sigma Virus is required for Sigma to revive himself after defeat, but Sigma is not required for the Sigma Virus to run rampant.
A relevant snippit on this exists in X5, after defeating Dark Dizzy. Alia speaks of Sigma lacking the energy to revive after his first battle, due to spreading the Virus over the world. Of course, Sigma obviously had prepared for his into-stage defeat (apparently Zero is a bit sharper than Alia on that one, he knew that Sigma lost on purpose), although this may go a ways as to explaining why Final Sigma W was very nearly the end of the line.
Speaking of which, the "isolation on the moon" argument fails in X8 for two reasons, the first of which X5 and X6 established: Zero. Although Sigma cannot control him, Zero is still a viable Sigma Virus host. It was because Gate found Sigma's data in his "piece of Zero" that Sigma returned in X6. That loophole still stands in X8. And the second loophole is Vile. He is an old-model Reploid and thus, unlike all of Sigma's other henchmen, completely vulnerable to infection. And his fate in X8 was not confirmed.
So there are ways the Sigma Virus could escape the moon. However, we know from X5 that the simple fact that the Sigma Virus exists does not mean that it is viable for Sigma's revival, even if the Virus is present for the battle, as X5 Sigma uses it to attack. It is possible that Sigma cannot survive if a large amount of the Sigma Virus is already being utilized for something else. Thus my belief, that it is being utilized in Belial Sigma's body.
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And the second loophole is Vile. He is an old-model Reploid and thus, unlike all of Sigma's other henchmen, completely vulnerable to infection. And his fate in X8 was not confirmed.
I'll say it again, there's no reason for Sigma to require anybody to infect. Sigma never had much problems going around as a disembodied virus, even in space. He should still have a regular Reploid body and a large final form lying around.
Thus my belief, that it is being utilized in Belial Sigma's body.
That and I'm not exactly willing to take Lumine's activities as face value, what with him crushing his respected father's corpse without motive and having weirdness sprout from his own.
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Lumine was one weird reploid.
Seriously... Reploids with surprise tentacles...
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I'll say it again, there's no reason for Sigma to require anybody to infect. Sigma never had much problems going around as a disembodied virus, even in space. He should still have a regular Reploid body and a large final form lying around.
True enough, but I'm just nailing the coffin shut. Even if for the sake of argument Sigma suffered a bit of gross negligence and didn't prepare a giant/spare body, and even if transportation of the virus off of the moon were an issue, that still doesn't spell his demise by itself.
I really don't see any way of making sense of X8 as Sigma's "end" if the virus was not involved in the battle.
That and I'm not exactly willing to take Lumine's activities as face value, what with him crushing his respected father's corpse without motive...
Well, the short answer would be that multiple Sigmas don't necessarily agree on which Sigma stays on top.
It could very well go deeper than that, though. Sigma is himself an old-model Reploid; if the New-Gens inherited Sigma's whole mentality on Reploid evolution and superiority, why shouldn't they see him as obsolete? What makes Sigma (and Vile, for that matter) mean any more to the New-Gens than humans mean to Sigma? Family ties didn't stop Sigma from attacking the humans that created him, why should they stop the New Gens from disposing of Sigma who "awakened" them? You could very well parallel it to the alleged "retconned death of Cain" in TDoS.
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He never died though. :l
but I understand what you mean.
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Hence the use of the word "alleged", and the conveniently placed quotes.
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Except it shouldnt even be considered, given the actual width of the craters vs the flash over and the small continuity issues it would create.
I mean, for a series of remakes that are trying to be really faithful while incorporating as much new flavor as possible, retconing a character like Cain, whom is mentioned till X4, and is the leading scientific mind of the century who failed at rebuilding Zero, (I feel that that fact is what best shows and points the Wily finger at Serges) would be, well, odd.
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You needn't tell me, I agree on all points. But Capcom has handled character deaths worse than that, so the idea that they would kill Cain early is conceivable. But I do not in any way see MHX in and of itself as retconning that yet, since Cain's fate is not addressed, and pulling an old guy out of a disaster zone in a fantasy story is hardly uncommon. For Cain to be considered dead in MHX, a sequel needs to cement it. Such hasn't been done yet and likely won't.
(I feel that that fact is what best shows and points the Wily finger at Serges)
Maybe when taking X2 alone, but future games actually cement the idea even further. Serges created the first Z-Saber, which is repeatedly stated to be linked to Zero's power, and created a Zero body so "unanalyzable" as to even throw Light for a loop (X5). And Light is certainly a greater authority in robotics than Cain.
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Well true, But it still means something. (especially if even the GREATER authority cant figure it out.)
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This is a little late, but why couldn't Siggy just hop into one of the reploids that was shaped like him?
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^Because, as Zan said, he's perfectly capable of traveling large distances as just a virus, then does the Body Hop Dance to continue on.
My theory is all of Sigma was gathered into one place, hence why Belial Sigma is considered the strongest; it's the cumulative form of every piece of Sigma, and when the place they were on blew up, so did Sigma. This kills Sigma to prevent him from showing up later, the Maverick Virus is still loose for the Elf Wars to occur, and continuity isn't destroyed.
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This is a little late, but why couldn't Siggy just hop into one of the reploids that was shaped like him?
Weren't the NG reploids immune to the virus?
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This is a little late, but why couldn't Siggy just hop into one of the reploids that was shaped like him?
You SERIOUSLY need to pay more attention when we have discussions.
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You SERIOUSLY need to pay more attention when we have discussions.
Ahem.....let me put it another way.
The New Generation Reploids were originally designed to be immune to the Sigma Virus. As such, they couldn't be forced to go Maverick, and did so at will instead. However, all of them had Sigma's DNA, which turned them evil anyway.
Now, my question is this: wouldn't having Sigma's DNA within them automatically revoke any immunity they might have had to his virus.
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No. They are still immune to the virus. the DNA is just a loophole, a flaw in their immunity. because while they cannot be made irregular through the virus, they can through the DNA, which influences Sigma-like thinking, and thus, they go Irregular of their own accord, agreeing with Sigma's ideals.
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So basically, no one has the ability to worry as X does. This is what keeps him from going maverick, and causes the new Gens to come to the realization that all others are inferior and they are the future. X8 makes since now! Thanks guys!
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No, X's worrying and the new Gen Maverick outbreak are two different things. Sort of. Sigma couldnt get X's limitless potential for his own, So he did the next best thing, played his part in ensuring the creation of reploids with Limitless potetial who would follow him. the Copy Chip is the NEw Gen way of achieving limitless potential, or something like that.
I dont remember now.
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What was it that defined X's limitless potential? IIRC his worrying was unrelated, though an additional thing that made him superior.
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X's worrying defines his limitless "evolutionary" potential, the fact that he can further the relationship between humans and robots in a manner which no other Reploid can. Whether the result of that will be positive or destructive is unknown, which is what piqued Sigma's interest in TDoS. When most fans hear "limitless potential", they think of his combat performance, which is a different thing, although perhaps related.
In terms of his combat abilities, X is simply known to grow more powerful as he fights. It's even been mentioned in Command Mission, which lacks the usual Variable Weapon System associated with that trait, and also strongly evidenced to be true of X's core abilities in X6 (High Max is immune to the X-Buster at first but is stunned by it in later fights). This manner of growth is shared with Zero (noted by Berkana in Xtreme2; also relevant is that both X and Zero are listed as power/speed unknown in X2), while X's worrying and associated "evolutionary potential" are X's alone.
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When most fans hear "limitless potential", they think of his combat performance, which is a different thing, although perhaps related.
Those aren't separate things. Remember Sigma's words in Day of Sigma: "So that is the power you possess." in response to X's sudden boost of power. Likewise, there was a similar scenario in the battle with VAVA. These sudden boosts of impossible strength are unique to X. Though, they have been less abundant lately, most likely because X has been fighting on their level.
Zero's equivalent of that, is probably his power growth by the virus, or his learning ability. Though at times you have to wonder why nobody thinks Zero has limitless potential. Just like it's very weird that X is never considered immune to the virus.
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Those aren't separate things. Remember Sigma's words in Day of Sigma: "So that is the power you possess."
This is what I get for being afraid to use too many parenthesis in one post. I was going to make a note of that. X(
Still, X's "limitless potential" goes beyond combat. That's what I was getting at. There is some distinction between combat potential and evolutionary potential, given that Zero seems to match X in one despite lacking the other. But since X is limitless in both it is only natural that they'd overlap within him, thus Sigma's observation. X's evolutionary potential is in his judgment, worrying, and such, and Sigma wants to see what happens when X is pushed in that regard (Zero, the missiles, and such). The scars on his eyes were the answer.
Zero's equivalent to X spontaneously powering up would probably be his sheer persistence. X's potential let him punch Sigma with a hole in his waist. Zero was still blasting Sigma while he didn't even have a waist.
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Just like it's very weird that X is never considered immune to the virus.
He does take damage from it in X5, so I guess high resistance would be more accurate?
@Hypershell:
While his ability to worry is a key thing, I'm not sure I'd relate it to evolution since it's largely static - evolution implies progress, and he cares equally for both sides, now as then.
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Watch TDoS again, because the bulk of Sigma's conversation with Cain is about how X's worrying ties into his potential.
I'm not sure if I would call X's character "static", given that he continually questions his own actions and those of his enemies, making efforts to understand them rather than simply dismiss them.
But the trait of evolutionary potential is not just about X personally, but also how X affects the world around him. As Sigma put it, "the potential to advance all Reploids." It basically boils down to X's thought processes not being fully understood. X's worrying gives him a unique viewpoint that no other Reploid has. He can connect with others, be they human or Reploid, better than any other Reploid can, which leaves him in a position to influence the world in ways that other Reploids cannot, and to facilitate the connection between humans and robots. As long as X remains unique in that regard, he alone advances that relationship.
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On the subject of Sigma dying in space on X4 and by extention X8, I think you guys overlooked something.
Sigma did not blow up on the final weapon and return in a virus state on earth.
If you watch the final weapon animation during the credits you see what appears to be a ship taking off from the final weapon and heading to earth. It occurs at the end of the credits before the epiloge.
This is undoubtly either Sigma in a new body or the remains of his current body that he used in the fight, piloting back to earth to get exposeure to the virus.
This is very similar to the final battle of X3. Before the lab blows up you see X and Zero teleport out but before the explosion is over you hear a third teleportation noise which is Sigma himself.
So maybe the loss of viral presence on the moon theory holds some weight with Belial Sigma's final death.
BTW, Sigma has always been arrogant, but not stupid so why would he initate the takeover of the jakob project before his body was complete? Surely he would have learned from the Final Sigma W body that the hunters reach him faster than expected.
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we dont know what that was. It could be sigma, it could be anything. Hell, it could even just be them showing X adn Zero leaving.
Who knows. noones asked Inafune before.
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I'm kinda surprised no one's mentioned anything I said, for better or worse.
Also, agreed with Flame, nothing was mentioned about that ship and so it could have been anything. If there isn't going to be an X9, then odds are we can assume it's not Sigma and that the Elf Wars occur shortly after X and Co. get back to Earth and at some point Axl gets killed off and made into a biometal in ZX Advent gets cameo'ed in a bull-[parasitic bomb] plot twist.
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And why can't A be Axl..?
Also, im sure there WILL be an X9. Inafune I think said he would like to return to X some time, he's just "busy"
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And why can't A be Axl..?
Also, im sure there WILL be an X9. Inafune I think said he would like to return to X some time, he's just "busy"
[spoiler]Because it's apparently Model ALBERT. Like I said, Axl got cameo'ed in a bull-[parasitic bomb] plot twist. [/spoiler]
I have a feeling that Inafune is trying to get the plot to end with Axl being ignored somehow and focus on the events leading up to the Elf Wars. I highly doubt he's going to want to bring Sigma back, especially if he wants the canon to make sense and not bull-[parasitic bomb] us on purpose.
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Model A[lbert] does not mean anything. yes, it is, but it requires a soul for the ROCK system. And Albert was pretty much alive. I mean come on, everything points to Axl. from personality to looks, to ability.
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I'm going with what the game said, and I never found anything related to Axl unless it didn't get translated into English and left behind in Japan.
Like I said, I call it a BS twist, since everything points to Axl, but the game doesn't say it and calls it something else.
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The X games also point to Wily being Serges and Isoc and calls them something else.
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Those hint at Wily being them, but never outright says it, ZX Advent flat-out states it.
"Though the design of the biometal is heavily based on Axl, a character from the Mega Man X series, the in-story explanation is that it is a backup system for Albert." --MMWikia. No hinting, no guessing, Albert just says that Model A is Model Albert and uses it as his data storage device. It looks a helluva lot like Axl, but it isn't.
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MMWikia.
I stopped reading when I saw this.
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I see no reason to think of Albert's backup system and Axl as mutually exclusive. No matter what soul is Model A, it will always be Albert's backup system due to the ciphers and the ability to do Trans On. Therefore, it can be any soul, and highly likely Axl's.
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Like we haven't had this discussion a million times...
One also needs to consider what Albert's plans for his backup were. I'll point out that there is strong reason to believe that the failed mind control with Grey falls in line with what's going on with the Big Four's hosts (Grey had red eyes as the other four do, but they faded; there are four other capsules in his room as well). If such is true then it renders the will of the Biometal irrelevant to Albert's plans, which would make a lot of sense, therefore the soul of a Biometal would be valued solely for its combat abilities. Besides the obvious fact that Albert's soul is elsewhere, Albert has no known combat abilities without the use of Model W.
If you try to write it all off as one giant coincidence, then you need to ask why Albert's "copy", who bears no resemblance to his character, appearance, or abilities (save A-Trans) whatsoever, rebels against not only him but his entire philosophy.
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Besides the obvious fact that Albert's soul is elsewhere, Albert has no known combat abilities without the use of Model W.
Doesn't Albert have the ability to use A-Trans, the very reason why Model A is able to use it?
If you try to write it all off as one giant coincidence, then you need to ask why Albert's "copy", who bears no resemblance to his character, appearance, or abilities (save A-Trans) whatsoever, rebels against not only him but his entire philosophy.
Except, why would he use the soul of a Maverick hunter to power his back-up system? Did he not bother looking up his history? Was he planning the entire rebellion and called everything 'apart of his plan' in some Aizen-esque ass-pull and then expect to some how harvest the power? Then again, his entire plan has a [parasitic bomb]-ton of plot holes and stupid, so the real question is, who the [tornado fang] thought that making Model A be Model Albert period, or even having Albert create the thing, was a good idea?
Anyway, back on track, Sigma's a douche. seriously though, I'm getting a headache from the plot of ZX Advent.
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Except, why would he use the soul of a Maverick hunter to power his back-up system?
Because the R.O.C.K. system relies on the abilities of the soul inside of the LiveMetal. Model X gives X's powers, Model Z gives Zero's powers. Albert's power is Shin Trans On, an improved version of what was used centuries ago by the New Generation Repliroids and their prototype. Axl is the only known non-irregular user of the copy chip, has S-class Hunter skills on par with X and Zero and has the single most greatest renown. Albert was just going to overwrite the Livemetal's will anyway, leaving Grey with a very capable Livemetal that shares Albert's Trans On ability.
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has a [parasitic bomb]-ton of plot holes and stupid,
Do tell...
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Because the R.O.C.K. system relies on the abilities of the soul inside of the LiveMetal. Model X gives X's powers, Model Z gives Zero's powers. Albert's power is Shin Trans On, an improved version of what was used centuries ago by the New Generation Repliroids and their prototype. Axl is the only known non-irregular user of the copy chip, has S-class Hunter skills on par with X and Zero and has the single most greatest renown. Albert was just going to overwrite the Livemetal's will anyway, leaving Grey with a very capable Livemetal that shares Albert's Trans On ability.
Ok, over-writing the will actually make sense, and doesn't seem stupid anymore.
Do tell...
The holes were about the whole use of Axl's soul in the biometal, but if Albert was just going to shove his will into a device to power it then erase whatever would make it unobedient, and use it as a backup drive, then there really aren't any holes. I had assumed that Albert was just a moron and didn't think his plans through.
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Albert- "Do you have any idea how much time I have invested in this plan?"
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Doesn't Albert have the ability to use A-Trans, the very reason why Model A is able to use it?
ZX Advent actually doesn't elaborate on that, despite Albert's promise to do so. As Zan mentioned, Japan differentiates between the two A-Transes ("Trans On" and "Shin Trans On").
It was never actually stated which A-Trans is the original, although the nature of Biometal (as Zan described above) leans in Model A's favor. Consider also, that A-Trans is useless without the ability to obtain data. Model A can do so on its own, while Albert, lacking any combat abilities, relies on data fed to him through Model W. Albert is, furthermore, no stranger to copying Biometal abilities, as his final form utilizes attacks from all 6 of Ciel's Biometals, in addition to Model A's Homing Shot and Chronoforce's Time Bomb.
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Albert is, furthermore, no stranger to copying Biometal abilities, as his final form utilizes attacks from all 6 of Ciel's Biometals, in addition to Model A's Homing Shot and Chronoforce's Time Bomb.
Hmm, I never noticed that. Exactly what attacks are these; aside from the ones you mentioned, the only one that comes to mind is the wind attack.
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Tornado Attack = Model H
Ice Attack = Model L
Homing = Model A
I believe the twin lasers are Model X,
the tail scrape may be Model Z...
Hmmm... I cant place the one where two bits traverse the screen...
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Argh, I delete that list I made, and the thread got wiped from the previous reset...
Model X = Twin Lasers
Model Z = Bits form a huge sword, and slashes at the ground
Model H = Tornado bits
Model F = Bits form a fist that impacts the ground, and flame pillars shoot out
Model L = Ice dragon bits
Model P = The spinning blade bits
Model A = Homing laser
Model W (PnP) = Teleportation, and tail scrape.
Special = Chronoforce's Time Bomb. Activated ONLY when Albert loses his bits and is under the effect of your Time Bomb.
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Ah. I was thinking it may be PnP. But I wasnt sure.
Been a while since I fought Albert.
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BACK ON TOPIC
Sigma has always been arrogant, but not stupid so why would he initiate the takeover of the jakob project before his body was complete?
It had to cross Sigma's memory that the last time he went all out (X5), the hunters arrived much earlier than he expected and attacked him before it was complete. So why not wait for his body to undergo maintaince before launching his final rebellion this time around?
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Being scheduled to undergo maintenance doesn't mean the body wasn't complete, it means the opposite.
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Being scheduled to undergo maintenance doesn't mean the body wasn't complete, it means the opposite.
How so?
According to dictionary.com
Maintenance is defined as "care or upkeep, as of machinery or property" "means of upkeep, support, or subsistence; livelihood"
It still needed support . Bottom line his body was not ready. Why fight?
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^You can't maintain something that isn't completed, nor can you build something that's finished already. Not only that, but if Sigma's Belial form was his strongest yet, then how could it NOT be completed?
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Bottom line his body was not ready.
Sigma's scheduled maintenance was probably just a precaution. But even Sigma does not determine when people will barge into his room looking for battle. What was he to do, retreat?
Besides, this "scheduled for maintenance" thing is just to a means for Capcom to excuse his defeat.
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Sigma's scheduled maintenance was probably just a precaution. But even Sigma does not determine when people will barge into his room looking for battle. What was he to do, retreat?
Or he could wait for his body to get said maintenance BEFORE launching the the Jakob offensive. That way it doesn't matter when they arrive.
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Or you know, the frequency with which said maintenance has to occur, is more often than the timespan of the offensive.
Not to mention, even when something is scheduled for maintenance, it could operate perfectly at the time of scheduling. Maintenance like that exists to avoid future issues, not immediate ones. Or do you think that an airplane scheduled for maintenance after its next flight is not wholly capable of making that next flight?
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I'm just saying that knowing Sigma, I'd expect him to wait until he is 100% ready before going through with the attack.
Bottom line, we have no idea why Sigma's Belial form looked incomplete or what Sigma did this time that made it far stronger than anything he ever had before? Other than the fact capcom said so?
We have no story reason?