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Title: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: CyberXIII on September 28, 2009, 08:37:33 PM
I can't help but notice that someone mentioned that they were created from his direct DNA data.  Does that make him their father?  After all, we don't know who built them, and they seem fiercely loyal to him (Well, his clone,but they don't know that).

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Blackhook on September 28, 2009, 08:50:19 PM
That would make every Pantheon X´s children....
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Night on September 28, 2009, 10:06:18 PM
Wait, does this prove the "X is a pervert" theory?
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Blackhook on September 28, 2009, 10:12:20 PM
Wait, does this prove the "X is a pervert" theory?
Not really?
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Night on September 28, 2009, 10:41:03 PM
Alright then...



Your children, X. Your children were the ones!




Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Nekomata on September 28, 2009, 10:43:45 PM
X is a [classy lady].
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Night on September 28, 2009, 10:50:24 PM
A girly man [classy lady].
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Align on September 29, 2009, 12:08:49 AM
He is the father of all.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Tickle Buffalo on September 29, 2009, 02:43:00 AM
Kinda wondering why you'd care about this, bro.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: HyperSonicEXE on September 29, 2009, 02:48:30 AM
Yeah, ancestor, at this point.

X was the father of the first-generation of Reploids, count down from there.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on September 29, 2009, 07:22:02 AM
Alright then...



Your children, X. Your children were the ones!






The moment your DNA entered my system, the seed had been planted.

8D

Y'know, I am reminded of this guy at the X9 forum who has this OBSESSION with relating robots and such with human family trees.

X has quite the family, given that all reploid kind is technically his children, because the internal designs for reploids came from him.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Keno on October 04, 2009, 10:23:11 PM
X made so many babies, you don't even know.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2009, 03:09:34 AM
He's such a [classy lady].
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Nexus on October 05, 2009, 03:15:54 AM
I remember theories that the Big 4 were originally standard reploids who got 'upgraded' using more, direct, combat designs from X or something. Of course, theories are theories.

inb4 X, Alia, and dat ass.  8D
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 05, 2009, 03:26:53 AM


inb4 X, Alia, and dat ass.  8D
What, these?
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/party.jpg)
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/f4c5d1cc951287a66de1812b8a05c7715b3.jpg)

If y'ask me, Alia was SO askin' for it.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Cpie on October 05, 2009, 04:39:33 PM
I thought the big four were made directly from X's DNA, so are considered to be his "children" if you want. At least to a higher degree than other reploids that were made from X's schematics, but not DNA.

 Which brings me to a matter: What the hell is DNA for robots? XD

Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: The Great Gonzo on October 05, 2009, 04:42:47 PM
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If y'ask me, Alia was SO askin' for it.

NOT COOL

As for DNA for robots/Reploids--I think it's just another term for data; it's to make them feel more human.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Cpie on October 05, 2009, 04:43:36 PM
Well..it's stupid.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Saber on October 05, 2009, 04:51:17 PM
The first Repliroids were created from Cain's attempt to recreate X' circuitry based on his own analysis of X. However, he was not able to completely copy it and some parts were still a mystery to him.

The Big 4 were based on X' DNA code. They're probably as much X' children as it can get.

Pantheons are stated to be "degraded Repliroid copies" of X. I'm guessing they share some information of X, based on his fighting ability and design, but are mass-production drones for military duties.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Soultrigger on October 06, 2009, 06:22:15 AM
It's not like Sniper Joes are considered Proto Man's children.

And if we're talking about DNA, then wouldn't High Max and many of the X6 reploids/mavericks be considered Zero's children?

(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac71/Flame-G102/f4c5d1cc951287a66de1812b8a05c7715b3.jpg)
O_O
What the...does that even anatomically make sense? Her legs are absurdly long, given that Reploid boots usually go up to your knee.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Nekomata on October 06, 2009, 06:31:35 AM
It's not like Sniper Joes are considered Proto Man's children.
and the GM aren't the children of the Gundam.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 06, 2009, 06:40:13 AM
It's not like Sniper Joes are considered Proto Man's children.

And if we're talking about DNA, then wouldn't High Max and many of the X6 reploids/mavericks be considered Zero's children?
O_O
What the...does that even anatomically make sense? Her legs are absurdly long, given that Reploid boots usually go up to your knee.
Perspective.

also, DNA is basically the key core programming that makes a reploid who they are. it carries information such as their abilities, their type, and all that. it is basically the robot equivalent of DNA, and so, is referred to as such.

Reploids are loosely based off of X's internal structure. the big 4 are based off of his DNA, that is to say, his very programming. The stuff you get boss weapons from.

also, in that regard, I guess the X6 gate creations can be considered Zero's children, since they were made from his DNA, but somehow, it doesnt feel right to do so. Cyber elves are also technically Zero's children. His and Sigma's. (I say Zero's the mother.) They were derive from the sigma virus within Zero, after all.

Also, Sniper Just LOOK like Protoman, and loosely use similar tactics, but thats about it. the similarity is only skin deep.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Night on October 06, 2009, 08:38:01 AM
Sigma does refer to the new generation reploids who were built using his DNA data as "his children".
Then again, that would also make all of the old model reploids that were included with his data fathers too.

wonder how that works..?
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Soultrigger on October 06, 2009, 09:34:01 AM
A family tree needs to be in order, lol.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Zan on October 06, 2009, 01:47:49 PM
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X was the father of the first-generation of Reploids, count down from there.

Dr. Cain made the first Repliroid, his supreme masterpiece; Sigma. That technology from X was employed in his creation has virtually no meaning of the sort.

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also, in that regard, I guess the X6 gate creations can be considered Zero's children, since they were made from his DNA, but somehow, it doesnt feel right to do so. Cyber elves are also technically Zero's children. His and Sigma's. (I say Zero's the mother.) They were derive from the sigma virus within Zero, after all.

Where are the actual scientists that created these in your argument? Gate created his Repliroids, nobody else. Likewise, Ciel's ancestor made the Mother Elf.

You're also sorely forgetting that Cyber Elves originate from the Mother Elf first and foremost. The Sigma Virus is one step further down the line on Cyber Elf genealogy with the Cyber Elves only considered a vague derivative.
Zero has absolutely nothing to do with them, other than just being infected with the Virus in question. Sigma too has nothing do with Cyber Elves either, even less than Zero.

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Sigma does refer to the new generation reploids who were built using his DNA data as "his children".
Then again, that would also make all of the old model reploids that were included with his data fathers too.

He says that because he himself interfered with the creation of the New Generation by giving them his DNA data so that they effectively become like Sigma himself. Because they were designed by him to one day awaken and become like him, irregulars of their own accord, they are his legacy, his children.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 06, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
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Where are the actual scientists that created these in your argument? Gate created his Repliroids, nobody else.
He used Zero's DNA though. The Nightmare, is made from Zero's DNA. Gate's armor, is as well, and so is High Max. Not to mention Zero Nightmare which is outright a (badly made) clone.

also, how does Sigma have nothing to do with Mother Elf? she was made from his Virus.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Zan on October 06, 2009, 08:44:20 PM
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He used Zero's DNA though. The Nightmare, is made from Zero's DNA. Gate's armor, is as well, and so is High Max. Not to mention Zero Nightmare which is outright a (badly made) clone.

The use of someone's "DNA" doesn't automatically make one a father. Case in point, the Zero Nightmare is defined as a "clone", not a "child."

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also, how does Sigma have nothing to do with Mother Elf? she was made from his Virus.

She wasn't. She was made using data obtained from the Sigma Virus within Zero.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: CyberXIII on October 07, 2009, 03:42:21 PM
Can't we just call that the Maverick/Zero Virus?  Calling the virus in Zero (or the program, whatever) the Sigma Virus is too confusing... -AC
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Zan on October 07, 2009, 05:04:33 PM
Can't we just call that the Maverick/Zero Virus?  Calling the virus in Zero (or the program, whatever) the Sigma Virus is too confusing... -AC

No, we can't. The "Maverick Virus" is a generic term that applies to all the viruses in question. Likewise, "Zero Virus" is X5 exclusive. It's simply that we use whatever the official sources say; Sigma Virus.

I don't see what's so confusing here. The "Sigma Virus" within Zero is the very same "Sigma Virus" he was the original carrier of; that is, before the inclusion of Sigma.

And even then, the details concerning Mother Elf's relation to Sigma Virus are mostly unspecified and of questionable canon.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 07, 2009, 08:20:42 PM
People just get confused because they think how can it be Sigma virus if Sigma hadnt gotten it yet. >_> the thing is though, it didnt HAVE a name before Sigma got it.  Its just retroactively called Sigma Virus for lack of a name of its own.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Align on October 07, 2009, 09:44:22 PM
I know we had this discussion before but I forget the outcome: wasn't the virus changed when it came into contact with Sigma? therefore deserving separate names before and after
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 07, 2009, 10:47:31 PM
The only change was that it became integrated with his DNA. That it became part of him. but overall, it is still the same.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: HyperSonicEXE on October 07, 2009, 11:07:20 PM
Geez, the whole Virus thing is confusing. Is it even Dr. Wily's creation? Wouldn't the Zero and Maverick Virus, then, be the same thing? I'm guessing not. I assume the Sigma Virus is the virus when it follows Sigma's orders.

MHX/IHX almost made it sound like it was derived when X was released from his 30-year diagnostic scan early.
[spoiler]And it took archeology to find Light's lab? I walk into 30-year old buildings all the time, unless X was hidden underground.[/spoiler]

And as far as Mother Elf, I'm guessing that they took the Sigma Virus, Zero nicely isolated it, they found how to undo it, and then created Mother Elf as a massive carrier/distributor for the antivirus.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 07, 2009, 11:16:42 PM
1. The virus has been Proven Wily's. Dont know why you deny it...
It was meant to make Zero irregular.

2. In that case, X was obviously underground. Would you leave the worlds greatest most advanced Creation helpless in your lab where he can be found by anyone upon your death?
No.
He built and hid him in some underground secret lab of his.

3. You just re stated all that was already known about Mother Elf. It wasnt quite just an anti-virus, but more of an un-virus. It directly rewrote Maverick programming, returning it to its original state.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Zan on October 07, 2009, 11:29:22 PM
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MHX/IHX almost made it sound like it was derived when X was released from his 30-year diagnostic scan early.

How do you even get that from a game that doesn't mention Sigma Virus at all?

Also, all indicators on the capsule were green and a 100 years have passed. Early? More like late.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 07, 2009, 11:44:09 PM
I think he means that stuff that Cappy said a while back about the Suffering Circuit causing the Virus, and poorly wording it to sound like it was X's fault.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Girla PurpleHeart on October 08, 2009, 04:57:56 AM
I'm not sure if the Four Guardians are X's children. But I do believe that they were built to protect X while he was asleep, then got confused when Copy X arrived and took them away. But I don't quite understand if they are related or not. But some fanfictions have some parings with Leviathan and Harpuia. In fact, about all this stuff makes me wanted to look on Megaman Wikia, which I'm on right now. O_O
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 08, 2009, 06:44:06 AM
Nononooo. Megaman Wikia is a nono. confide in us.

Big 4's origins are shady, supposedly made for environmental cleanup, but they were used for war instead. its weird.

Its not clear if they know Copy X is a copy, but even if they do, its most likely they dont care, because copy or not, he is still X, and they are sworn to him. they follow both X, and Copy X, depending on which one's around.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Black Mage J on October 08, 2009, 07:46:47 PM
It seems they were made for something besides war, but that makes me wonder what Phantom and Fefnir were doing while Harupia ruled the skies and Levethian cleaned the...reefs or whatever. Which is why they had those special weapons made, possibly AFTER they were created they just decided to follow copy X since there really wasnt anyone that leader like around.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Zan on October 08, 2009, 07:57:03 PM
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Which is why they had those special weapons made

Their weapons weren't made for war either.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Black Mage J on October 08, 2009, 08:22:06 PM
Which is why I always wondered what fefnir and phantom were for, I mean, they were all trying to help the humans or something, right? RIGHT?!
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 08, 2009, 08:41:10 PM
Which is why I always wondered what fefnir and phantom were for, I mean, they were all trying to help the humans or something, right? RIGHT?!
Phantom was the only one explicitly not made for earth restoration. He was from the start, designed as X's bodyguard. The phantom in his shadow.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Black Mage J on October 09, 2009, 02:59:03 AM
So that means that fefnir was created to control volcanic activity? Store volcanoes for power?
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Thanatos-Zero on October 10, 2009, 12:21:22 AM
I actually thought of Fefnir, that he cultivates the land, by fertiling the land like a farmer, so that new life can grow on it.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Align on October 10, 2009, 01:54:13 AM
Did not need that mental image of Fefnir fertilizing land.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Flame on October 10, 2009, 04:44:24 AM
Did not need that mental image of Fefnir fertilizing land.
lol. what's so bad about it? It sounds funny to me.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Black Mage J on October 10, 2009, 04:51:45 AM
DARN YOU SOIL WE SHALL FIGHT TO SEE WHO IS FITTEST RGGHHHHH! 8D
I think its the fact that this guy who carries the big gun would be have a harvest moon side.
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: OmegaZ on November 13, 2009, 03:47:37 AM
*nods* :o
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: Irgendein on November 13, 2009, 03:49:47 AM
Quick reminder, OmegaZ0153; Check the date of the last post.

Also, I sense a Lock coming..
Title: Re: Are the Big 4 technically X's children?
Post by: OmegaZ on November 13, 2009, 03:51:26 AM
Crap, did it again!

Really need to start watching that! -AC