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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => Topic started by: CyberXIII on September 26, 2009, 10:58:37 PM
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Which one was the most evil?
Who do you think was the most vile, despicable, cruel, evil bastard in the entire franchise?
For me, it's probably Dr. Weil, but what do you guys think?
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King 8D
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n_n
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Hahaha, King. Not even my Bass.EXE is evil enough to make the list. Forte, an almost Samus-like personality, is still lurking somewhere in that brown-caped figure.
There are but a handful of MM villains that would get close to the title, and come in 2 flavors:
Chocolate, "evil leader that indiscriminately kills and controls because it's for the greater good" flavor:
1. Mother Unit (MML2)
2. Dr. Albert (MMZXA)
Or just plain ol' vanilla, evil-incarnate with hardly any one shape, it seems, but the same dark source:
3. Dark Nebula (MMBN5)
4. Dark Energy (MM8)
Take your pick.
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Lumine and his new-age Hitler ideals.
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Lumine and his new-age Hitler ideals.
And he got beat by three outdated robots.
Actually, that takes the chocolate flavors out of the running, then, and Dark Nebula has more or less been conquered.
Somewhere deep in...what I assume is outer space, the Dark Energy from MM8 is still wreaking havoc. If that's the universe's source of the MM/X/Z/ZX/Legends line of evil (DE, Virus, and Carbon Eliminators, respectively), then that's the ultimate evil.
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SunStar
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I'd say Dr.Light, since it's all his fault pretty much, but I suppose he had good intentions. So I'll just stick with Dr.Wily, since some of the other villians wouldn't have existed hadn't he created the Maverick Virus, unless, the Maverick Virus really is the Evil Energy like some think, but I'd rather not get into that matter.
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Maybe this topic wasn't such a good idea...
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Don't worry. Keep it up.
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could have used a poll
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Dr. Light is the ultimate evil.
That son of a [sonic slicer].
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"Douchie"
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Even the games confirm that one.
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I added a poll, so let's try this again...
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I was tempted to pick other and say Light, but I went with Weil.
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Copy X. Not only is he the typically evil genocidal lunatic, but he rationalizes it so effectively that he rallies heroes to his cause. Makes him the most dangerous villain the series ever saw in my book.
An honorable mention goes to Great Redips as I believe he was the most powerful. Nobody else ever had X, Zero, and Axl on the ropes all at the same time. Taking on the first two at once is pretty much suicide in and of itself.
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Actually yeah I'm going to have to change that vote to Weil. Lumine at least had something constructive in mind, even if he was fascist bigot about it, Weil just wanted to kill and/or torture everyone.
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I added a poll, so let's try this again...
I'm not clicking other, and I want to vote for Sunstar.
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Actually yeah I'm going to have to change that vote to Weil. Lumine at least had something constructive in mind, even if he was fascist bigot about it, Weil just wanted to kill and/or torture everyone.
the thing was, Weil was a Human. which makes him more dangerous than any maverick.
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Dr. Wily. He changed the future once and forever.
And that's one of the reason why he truly evil(even when he said "I'm so sorry, forgive me!", this is the tactical retreat).
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Oh, here's a tip:
If you like the villain, don't vote for him. This is for the villain whose death sequence felt incredibly satisfying to watch.
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The why is Wily up there? he never had a death sequence.
also, what the hell kind of late rule is that?
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The why is Wily up there? he never had a death sequence.
I don't trust you, Wily! I gonna do what I should have done years ago!! Die Wily!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrEjE8ZD5b4#t=1m54s)
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Oh, here's a tip:
If you like the villain, don't vote for him. This is for the villain whose death sequence felt incredibly satisfying to watch.
what the [tornado fang] that's not even what anything in this thread says
also, what the hell kind of late rule is that?
Right? Are you as confused as I am?
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Crap...I probably should have been more clear.
This thread isn't for the villains you liked. This is for the villain who does something over the course of the plot (Plot, not gameplay) that was so evil you wanted that bastard DEAD.
Basically, a complete monster.
See here: (Taken from Tvtropes)
"This is it. The end of the line for evil.... Simply, there is nothing worse than being this. Trying to put a value to how horrible the qualifications to be a Complete Monster are is like trying to assign Bill Gates a credit score: it becomes a moot point. This is not the villain who is designed to be comic, or tragic, or even so awesome you can't help but root for him. This is the villain who is so repulsive and completely irredeemable, that the only satisfying end for him is a death just as horrible as he is... or hopefully worse.
The character must do truly horrendous acts, and the story makes no attempt to gloss these over or present them in a positive light... He must also have a direct, active role, and the Evil Overlord doesn't count if he only sends out waves of minions to do horrible atrocities - he must perform these himself or force someone else to do it while he looks on. It's the character that's supposed to scare and disgust you, not his minions..."
That's what I meant.
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You just described Dr. Vile
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n_n
cause you know, nothing says evil like smiling while killing off an entire island.
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Juno was just programmed that way
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like your mom was programmed to be a [classy lady]?
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And you to be a [sonic slicer], so now calm down will ya?
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One more post in this directions and this thread gets the lock.
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Talking about Mega Man badguys got serious fast
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You just described Dr. Vile
No, vile's more the type to send hordes of minions(Valiant) at his enemies while he sits in his fortress scheming.
I really don't think there is a villain that's like how Cyber described in the megaman universe.
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what the [tornado fang] that's not even what anything in this thread says
Seriously, he's confused me.
Right? Are you as confused as I am?
I sure as hell am.
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Which one was the most evil?
I voted for Dr. Weil. That man is full of hatred. When you are engulf with hatred you can care less. The humans of Neo Arcadia punished Weil by giving him an everlasting pain which is Immortality. So in return Weil leaves the World with an everlasting threat/danger in the form of Model W. (I want for ZX3 now!)
Crap...I probably should have been more clear.
This thread isn't for the villains you liked. This is for the villain who does something over the course of the plot (Plot, not gameplay) that was so evil you wanted that bastard DEAD.
Basically, a complete monster.
Okay this thread is confusing. o-O
Oh well, anyway I'm still waiting for someone in the Rockman Series that can be similar to Hellmaster Phibrizzo. That bastard kid remains my idol for being evil. [eyebrow]
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Okay this thread is confusing. o-O
I don't see what's so confusing. He said from the get-go "most evil", which doesn't mean your favorite.
I just mentioned Redips 'cause I couldn't help it. >.> Well, he DID have his eyes on the entire universe... But yeah, Copy X holds the spot of "most evil" villain for me.
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Listen, and understand. Sunstar is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
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Nah, we can convince him to protect John Connor instead.
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I find it difficult to believe I'm the only one who voted for Sigma. I thought about voting for Copy X for the same reason Hypershell did, but then I had to take a look at the resumes.
Sigma has:
Very likely killed his creator, or at least attempted to do so (Maverick Hunter X)
Manipulated countless innocent reploids and watched many of them die (Vile, Zero, X, Middi, Techno, Doppler, General, Red, and nearly all the Mavericks)
Orchestrated the destruction of both the Sky Lagoon and the entire city beneath
Pointed a planet-busting weapon at Earth, attempting the elimination of both all humans and reploids
Forced the Eurasia colony into a collision course with Earth and risked planetary destruction just to turn Zero back to his original nature
Severely disrupted the cities and ecosystems of the entire planet, so much so that only reploids could remain on Earth's surface
The way I see it, only Weil comes close to the level of destruction and manipulation Sigma has achieved in his career. But even Weil never conceived (nor achieved) planet-wide destruction.
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The way I see it, only Weil comes close to the level of destruction and manipulation Sigma has achieved in his career. But even Weil never conceived (nor achieved) planet-wide destruction.
ELF wars...nuff said
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The way I see it, only Weil comes close to the level of destruction and manipulation Sigma has achieved in his career. But even Weil never conceived (nor achieved) planet-wide destruction.
As a result of Dr. Vile's ambitions, the Mother Elf was stolen and cursed to become the Dark Elf, the power that nearly destroyed the world. Using the Dark Elf and copies of the Dark Elf to control Repliroids and make these Repliroids fight amongst each other until none were left standing, the conflict known as the Elf Wars became the worst war in history. 60% of all humans, 90% of all Repliroids were wiped out. The conflict only heightened upon the completion of the messiah of his new world; Omega.
Using Dark Elf and Omega, he completed the operation to control all Repliroids. And using the satellite cannon known as Ragnarok he threatened to destroy the last remaining nature in the world, succeeded in killing the legendary hero Zero and remained a malicious force for centuries to come.
Tell me, how does he not exceed everything Sigma had done?
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I wasn't going by destruction rate anyway - Sigma at least believed what he was doing was right, which makes him tend towards misguided rather than evil.
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There's never a villain that does things because they're "evil." All actions are solely because they think it's the thing that was needed to be done.
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They didn't do it because they were evil, but I'm fairly certain Weil knew what he was doing was unjustifiable in every way. He just didn't care. The other villains would at least say something along the lines of "It was for the best" rather than "Because I wanted them to suffer".
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I recall Weil going on how much of an injustice it was for him, who was terminating Mavericks for the good of all, to be punished.
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Nah, we can convince him to protect John Connor instead.
2 was so gay.
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I'm gonna say Sigma. Weil never struck me as really evil in the games. I don't care what the source books say. When it comes to the games, Sigma [tornado fang]'d [parasitic bomb] up. Yeah, Weil has this great backstory where he did this and that.. But.. Eh. Took him 3 games to show up and that's after adding in all the mother elf [parasitic bomb].
Yeah, there were mavericks before Sigma, but he easily became the face of them. Took an entire unit of Hunter's with him when he turned Maverick, turned the Repliforce and the Hunters on each other, dropped an entire Colony on the planet releasing a strain of the virus so powerful that it even effected organic matter, lost his frikken mind and tried to colonize the moon.
And his minions killed the Green Biker Dude in his name. That's evil, man.
Juno was also pretty cool, too.
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I recall Weil going on how much of an injustice it was for him, who was terminating Mavericks for the good of all, to be punished.
So? Doesn't mean he believes it's righteous. Wanting revenge doesn't equate to feelings of morality.
This may just be ambiguity in wording. He could 'justify' it by saying "just returning the favor", but it wouldn't be a 'this is morally acceptable' kind of justify.
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So? Doesn't mean he believes it's righteous. Wanting revenge doesn't equate to feelings of morality.
This may just be ambiguity in wording. He could 'justify' it by saying "just returning the favor", but it wouldn't be a 'this is morally acceptable' kind of justify.
What I'm saying, is that at the time of Elf Wars, he did everything for the good of all. That is why he's going on about how there's no justice in the world.
releasing a strain of the virus so powerful that it even effected organic matter
That never happened.
lost his frikken mind and tried to colonize the moon.
He didn't lose his mind, and that plan was the human's.
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That's true. But I don't think he lasered Neo Arcadia for any non-selfish reasons...
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That's true. But I don't think he lasered Neo Arcadia for any non-selfish reasons...
That was Craft....Weil just built said laser :P
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Details.
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I thought craft fired it on accident then zero got all mad came up there and stuck his zero knuckle up his.....
Anyways I think dr.weil is the most evil. HE PRACATIVALLY USED EVERYONE FOR 100 YEARS OR SOMETHING.
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Took him 3 games to show up and that's after adding in all the mother elf [parasitic bomb].
And yet the ENTIRETY of the Zero series right from 1, is because of his actions.
without Weil, there would be no Zero series.
because, there would be no elf wars, therefore Zero would still have his own body, would never have proposed to seal himself away forever, and X would never have had to seal himself away to seal dark elf either. which means, Zero 1 would never have happened, and neither would 2, because no Dark elf and no Elpis thirsting for it, meaning X's body would never have gotten destroyed, because he never sealed himself either,
and Z3 and 4 would be non existant because of no Weil or Omega.
The Elf wars was the worst war in history, worse than the maverick wars even.
Sigma might have had his Virus to corrupt reploids, but Weil had Baby elves that helped him outright control them like puppets on a string.
plus he nearly wiped out the world. 60% 90%.
hi actions last from the very beginning o the Elf wars, aaall the way to ZX Advent.(so far)
Tell me, how many centuries is that? Certainly a hell of a lot more than Sigma.
and, the kicker, he's not some mad reploid with a "humans are inferior" mindset, hes a human. Which makes it all the more worse.
Though technically, Light beats Weil by a long shot. 8D
Very likely killed his creator
Never happened.
Manipulated countless innocent reploids and watched many of them die (Vile,)
Lol, Vile? innocent?
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And yet the ENTIRETY of the Zero series right from 1, is because of his actions.
without Weil, there would be no Zero series.
Ridiculous. Just because retcons made him the cause of things doesn't mean the series couldn't have existed independently from Weil.
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It would have been a very different Zero series.
Not the one we know, thats for sure.
Also, its not a retcon. The moment they turned X into Copy X, they left open the question of what happened to X, and why was he the way he was. Z2 answered why... but left an even bigger why. Z3, showed the reason X had to seal Dark Elf away in the first place.
It is expanding the canon, not retconning.
plus like I said, without weil, there would be no 2nd Zero sealing, no Elf Wars, and thus, no Copy-X, X would still be alive and well, and Neo Arcadia quite possibly WOULD be a paradise for both Humans AND Reploids.
without that Zero series, there would be no ZX series either. There would be no Model-W, and no Ciel 6, since they never would have died to begin with. and heck, without ZX, even Legends might not exist. Who knows.
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As a result of Dr. Vile's ambitions, the Mother Elf was stolen and cursed to become the Dark Elf, the power that nearly destroyed the world. Using the Dark Elf and copies of the Dark Elf to control Repliroids and make these Repliroids fight amongst each other until none were left standing, the conflict known as the Elf Wars became the worst war in history. 60% of all humans, 90% of all Repliroids were wiped out. The conflict only heightened upon the completion of the messiah of his new world; Omega.
Using Dark Elf and Omega, he completed the operation to control all Repliroids. And using the satellite cannon known as Ragnarok he threatened to destroy the last remaining nature in the world, succeeded in killing the legendary hero Zero and remained a malicious force for centuries to come.
Tell me, how does he not exceed everything Sigma had done?
There would be no Dark Elf were it not for Sigma's work. His legacy, too, spreads across the centuries, as the Sigma Virus remained in operation well into the back story of the Zero series. I will admit that 60% human and 90% reploid worldwide casualties is a higher body count than any single event Sigma is responsible for. But then again, how many times has Weil conceived to physically destroy the entire planet? Humans, reploids, nature; everything?
And yet the ENTIRETY of the Zero series right from 1, is because of his actions.
without Weil, there would be no Zero series.
No Sigma, no Sigma Virus. No Sigma Virus, no Maverick Wars, no Mother Elf. No Mother Elf, no Dark Elf, no Omega.
On a completely unrelated and very ironic note, Sigma is probably responsible for saving mankind. Remember that crazy, unstoppable reploid named Zero? Sigma was pretty much the only one at that time with the power to stop him. Without Sigma, Zero probably would have fulfilled that supposed title as a god of destruction. Hmm, maybe that should count against his reputation as an extra nasty villain.
Never happened.
Sure, if we assume that the explosion that consumed Cain's domicile only raised the interior temperature to a comfy 74 degrees F. At the very least, Sigma consciously attempted to kill his creator.
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There would be no Dark Elf were it not for Sigma's work.
I do not consider such arguments to be valid. This also includes Flame's Z1 and Z2 argument for Dr. Vile. There is ALWAYS a preceding force of evil that lead us to the present day, that does not make the predecessor a greater evil. We could also trace back the flow of time to Dr. Wily and to the dawn of history itself. It'd be pointless to talk about that. Consider them in what they actively did, which for Dr. Vile, does include his continuous evil presence as Model V. But for Sigma, his Sigma Virus does not; the Repliroid known as Sigma had already died by that time.
But then again, how many times has Weil conceived to physically destroy the entire planet? Humans, reploids, nature; everything?
Rockman Zero 4.
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Sure, if we assume that the explosion that consumed Cain's domicile only raised the interior temperature to a comfy 74 degrees F. At the very least, Sigma consciously attempted to kill his creator.
Do we have to bring up the issue on the Missiles explosion and the craters again?
Plus the fact that it would be a massive retcon?
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Flash =/= destruction radius, which as Flame said is very plainly demonstrated in TDoS when you see the craters afterwards.
Besides, you think pulling an old guy out of a disaster zone is unheard of in fictional stories?
And it's not as if Sigma was the only thing to ever attempt to kill its creator, either. See Prometheus. And Bass probably would have by now except that he's not truly evil. Rebelling against your maker is not unusual or exceptional in any way.
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(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa215/I_am_X2007/Untitled-2.jpg)
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Who gives a [parasitic bomb] anyway. It's inconsequential, as MHX2 & 3 are never coming.
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Who gives a [parasitic bomb] anyway. It's inconsequential, as MHX2 & 3 are never coming.
It's important exactly because there's no MHX2 coming out. Maverick Hunter X's story therefore leads into the events of X2. Besides, even if MHX2 or MHX3 were released, there are many mentions of Cain that can not be ruled out by overwriting mainstream games.
As Cain's fate in MHX is uncertain, the simplest solution is to say he didn't die so that there is no retcon.
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Why did they make it look like he died anyway?
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Who say they did? They just made Sigma blow [parasitic bomb] up :P
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It's important exactly because there's no MHX2 coming out. Maverick Hunter X's story therefore leads into the events of X2. Besides, even if MHX2 or MHX3 were released, there are many mentions of Cain that can not be ruled out by overwriting mainstream games.
As Cain's fate in MHX is uncertain, the simplest solution is to say he didn't die so that there is no retcon.
Uh, MHX was meant to lead into MHX2, thus it leads into it.
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Uh, MHX was meant to lead into MHX2, thus it leads into it.
Problem is, MHX2 most likely isn't getting made, so there's nothing for MHX to lead into except X2--which it can't, if Cain's dead.
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But he isn't. It would be a massive retcon, and would be referenced by X in game. plus, yeah, MHX was supposed to ead into MHX2, but theyre basically just remakes with expanded story. nothing contradictory is really added.
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Or completely fresh reimaginings. Who knows where the story would've gone.
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Or completely fresh reimaginings. Who knows where the story would've gone.
Except, it's not. MHX is at its core nothing but X1 with its sourcebook information added into the game.
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Thats pretty much what they advertised it as well. a remake. Not meant to overwrite canon, or create paradoxes. just to add additional information that fits with what was already there, and expands the backstory and motivations behind the events.
the Cain-missile thing was for dramatic effect. I dont think theyd go to the trouble of introducing him in MHX, if they were going to kill him off, especially if it wont be mentioned in the game itself. They made us think he was a frail old man, who was strating to feel he would not live much longer, and then drop a missile on his head, and X says nothing about it in the game?
Nope. He's very much alive. Plus, Humans cant die onscreen in the Megaman universe. Its the unwritten rule.
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Nope. He's very much alive. Plus, Humans cant die onscreen in the Megaman universe. Its the unwritten rule.
Only if they are riding Vehicles or are inside buildings that go BOOOM!
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SAR is the only exception.
and possibly Neo Arcadia. But they technically didnt show them onscreen. they just showed Ragnarok firing. MHX outright showed Cain's building engulfed in a fireball.
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Now I remember why I ignore these threads
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yeah who plays meggerman for plot or character anyway
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I play for game and story. Gameplay is cool, but it feels bland when there's no reason behind it.
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Yeah, yeah, I know, ya gotta stop Robotnik from robotniking everybody
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I play for game and story. Gameplay is cool, but it feels bland when there's no reason behind it.
Exactly. Story adds to the gameplay experience. I like blasting Sigma (or Weil if you prefer), but the experience is all the more satisfying if Sigma/Weil went and did something really horrible in the story line (like manipulating thousands of innocents or killing off 60% of the human population).
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but then I would feel too sad about all the dead people to feel good about winning
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Then you play as Zero, because he doesnt have that problem.
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I feel the most satisfied when I beat X6, because Drunken Hobo + Terminator is the best form mash-up ever.
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I just enjoy the fact that you get to kick the series baddie while he's down. It's not often you get to see the main villain pjwned that badly in fantasy stories period, much less MegaMan.
That and the kickass form 2 music. And the fact that it has the biggest, loudest, awesomest boss explosion ever (funny how that doesn't scratch Zero while X5's killed him; I guess Isoc/Wily planned ahead).
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I just enjoy the fact that you get to kick the series baddie while he's down. It's not often you get to see the main villain pjwned that badly in fantasy stories period, much less MegaMan.
That and the kickass form 2 music. And the fact that it has the biggest, loudest, awesomest boss explosion ever (funny how that doesn't scratch Zero while X5's killed him; I guess Isoc/Wily planned ahead).
Co-signed on all accounts and for the last comment... could it be that Zero was destroyed in X5 because he and X already beat on each other prior to the Sigma fight?
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Voted Vile/weil.
Since for the most part he was the only one that was Truly evil/a douche bag and just wanted to kill everyone. Sigma and the others all at least had their reasons.
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revenge isn't a reason?
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I just enjoy the fact that you get to kick the series baddie while he's down. It's not often you get to see the main villain pjwned that badly in fantasy stories period, much less MegaMan.
That and the kickass form 2 music. And the fact that it has the biggest, loudest, awesomest boss explosion ever (funny how that doesn't scratch Zero while X5's killed him; I guess Isoc/Wily planned ahead).
THE NEW AND IMPROVED ZERO! NOW WITH 30% MORE BOSS EXPLOSION PROTECTION!
not sold in stores.
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revenge isn't a reason?
Revnge is just an excuse to justifyyour wrong ways
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Co-signed on all accounts and for the last comment... could it be that Zero was destroyed in X5 because he and X already beat on each other prior to the Sigma fight?
I always thought Zero more or less died when Sigma shot him before the rave, at least in that ending.
THE NEW AND IMPROVED ZERO! NOW WITH 30% MORE BOSS EXPLOSION PROTECTION!
not sold in stores.
It's too bad that either Phantom's explosion was stronger or Zero's new body was weaker.
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It's too bad that either Phantom's explosion was stronger or Zero's new body was weaker.
Not really; it is possible to get hit with that and survive. Even so, at least Phantom's move is a visible suicide attack.
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I always thought Zero more or less died when Sigma shot him before the rave, at least in that ending.
It's too bad that either Phantom's explosion was stronger or Zero's new body was weaker.
in the regular storyline, Sigma never shoots Zero. Zero shoots at Sigma. only if you get Awakened Zero will Zero come to his senses and jump in front of X.
also, Phantom is just a l33t ninja. Who would have had a VERY kickass transformation in Zero 2 if he didnt kamikaze Zero.
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in the regular storyline, Sigma never shoots Zero. Zero shoots at Sigma. only if you get Awakened Zero will Zero come to his senses and jump in front of X.
I know. But he does die then in that ending, right? Does Sigma still go "bla bla taking Zero with me"?
Not really; it is possible to get hit with that and survive. Even so, at least Phantom's move is a visible suicide attack.
Really? I never got hit by it because it was spoiled for me, but I'd read it was an instant kill.
also, Phantom is just a l33t ninja. Who would have had a VERY kickass transformation in Zero 2 if he didnt kamikaze Zero.
He should take some advice from Dynamo & know when to retreat.
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The kamikaze attack got me the first time....I thought that it will be some kind of cutscene -_- ...and no, it´s not an insta kill
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Which one was the most evil?
Who do you think was the most vile, despicable, cruel, evil bastard in the entire franchise?
For me, it's probably Dr. Weil, but what do you guys think?
To me it's Sigma 'cause he keeps coming back to life like a freakin zombie.
I'm not suprised if Richter Belmont comes to visit in the next X game XD
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Lumine assured us he wasn't coming back.
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I know. But he does die then in that ending, right? Does Sigma still go "bla bla taking Zero with me"?
I dont think he does. It wouldnt make sense.
Really? I never got hit by it because it was spoiled for me, but I'd read it was an instant kill.
if you have low life it is...
He should take some advice from Dynamo & know when to retreat.
He cant. He's too honorable to do so. He will protect X to the death. It's his job.
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I dont think he does. It wouldnt make sense.
X5 & X6 aren't exactly well-known for making a lot of sense in English.
if you have low life it is...
Well no [parasitic bomb]. That can apply to everything.
He cant. He's too honorable to do so. He will protect X to the death. It's his job.
More like he knows X is superior & realizes he's higher priority.
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That too. But remember his original job was to be X's bodyguard. A body guard does his job, even if it requires the ultimate sacrifice.
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I dont think he does. It wouldnt make sense.
Flame, what did you think Hypershell meant when he said X5 killed Zero in a boss explosion without regard for proximity?
Well no [parasitic bomb]. That can apply to everything.
Not really, there's a certain max health when no upgrades are applied. No attack but Phantom's suicide exceeds in damage a non upgraded Zero's health.
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Flame, what did you think Hypershell meant when he said X5 killed Zero in a boss explosion without regard for proximity?
Flame's referring to if Zero was Awakened and was thus shot by Sigma in the stage prior, thus he should allegedly already be dead.
However, this is not the case. Sigma's dialogue is no different in that instance, so we can only assume that Zero is alive, and thus killed, off-screen.
Yeah, the "normal" X5 ending is bad. The alternate is even worse.
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Not really, there's a certain max health when no upgrades are applied. No attack but Phantom's suicide exceeds in damage a non upgraded Zero's health.
Oh, I didn't even realize Flame meant max health. I thought he was just saying if you're low on HP.
Yeah, the "normal" X5 ending is bad. The alternate is even worse.
Which one's normal?
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low on Hp can mean many things.
the normal ending is the one X6 uses. X and Zero are killed by Sigma, Light Repairs X, Zero, supposedly dies.
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X and Zero are killed by Sigma. Light repairs X. Wily repairs Zero.
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But in the ending where Light repairs X, he removes all memories of Zero?
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But in the ending where Light repairs X, he removes all memories of Zero?
That is only the case, when Zero has awakened to his true self.
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I see.
Do we have a list of all these endings?
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Okay, three endings here:
1. Play as X, Zero not awakened, defeat Sigma. X finds Zero, is shot through the chest, repaired by Light, continues battling Mavericks with Z-Saber.
2. Play as Zero, defeat Sigma, Zero dies. X finds Zero, is shot through the chest, Zero reminisces about a bunch of stuff before supposedly dying.
3. Play as X, Zero awakened, defeat Sigma. X and Zero are blown up, Light repairs X and removes all memories of Zero.
1 and 2 are seemingly the same ending from different points of view. Except that X's three years scenario got retconned by X6.
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made into 3 weeks instead.
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Thank you for telling us the sky is blue
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you're quite welcome.
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Dr Weil is the most evil.Not only did he reduce the world to a post-apocalyptic state but actually got pleasure from the death and destruction,plus he wanted his subjects to live a living death.Dr Wily didn't have much personality behind the mad scientist persona,Sigma was insane,Lumine was merely exhibiting what he thought was the rational and natural process of evolution,Redips was a megalomaniac who wanted to control the universe,Copy X was naive{kind of struck me like Superboy Prime},Serpent was possesed and Albert thought he was helping.Weil however is a sadist and psychopath who clearly knows this
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I think redjirachi is the most evil with his persistence of raising dead threads.
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I think redjirachi is the most evil with his persistence of raising dead threads.
Quite the necromancer, isn´t he?
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A level 5 Necromancer.
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But his reply added something major so it is all right
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He still has almost nothing but necroposts as his posts.
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Dr. Light is the ultimate evil.
That son of a [sonic slicer].
This is why I voted "Other". It is true.
Sure the quote's old, but you can't really sum it up better than that.
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"If Dr. Light had never invented robots, none of this would ever have happened!"
Name that quote. 8D
And its true technically. Because of Light, there were reploids, and Sigma, and it aaaall unfolds from there.
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No, they never should have invented PLASMA POWER
That's where they went wrong
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Copy X isn't (or wasn't? o~O) evil, he just was Weil's puppet
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DjK, Your avatar is incredibly amusing.
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DjK, Your avatar is incredibly amusing.
Because i pointed at obvious?
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Pretty much.
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Copy X isn't (or wasn't? o~O) evil, he just was Weil's puppet
Copy X MKI was not associated with Weil in any way. Only MKII was.
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Mk. l was misguided, delusional, had an abundance of complexes, and basically a spoiled brat. Mk. ll, was well, still misguided and delusional, and to add on, a puppet on a stick as well.
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I would think from a "I want to hurt people cause I find it fun" perspective, Weil would take the cake.
However, I think Sunstar had the biggest ambition in the series that I can recall. He was the only one who wanted to obliterate the solar system. Not that it would matter much since there isnt much outside of Earth as far as living things, but his scope was indeed bigger...
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he doesnt do it for fun. He does it out of revenge. He wants everyone to suffer like he did.
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He thoroughly enjoys it though. He is crazy, remember?
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Well, after being awakened from thousands of years of slumber does that to you.
And enjoy? Confused perhaps.
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Well, after being awakened from thousands of years of slumber does that to you.
And enjoy? Confused perhaps.
What?
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Well...
You know what, it's been too long since I last played World 5. XD
Then again, I do remember the part of making others suffer, but I took it as a consequence to being awoken by Wily.
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Oh, I thought we were still talking about Weil. 8U
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... Well, let's forget it then. 8D
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Oh, I thought we were still talking about Weil. 8U
Ditto.
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However, I think Sunstar had the biggest ambition in the series that I can recall. He was the only one who wanted to obliterate the solar system. Not that it would matter much since there isnt much outside of Earth as far as living things, but his scope was indeed bigger...
(http://home.comcast.net/~Anguirus/objection.gif)
Great Redips intended to rule the universe. In terms of both power and ambition, he's pretty much the biggest fish the MegaMan saga has seen.
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Ah, that is true. I forgot all about old Redips.
I guess whoever commands the evil energy robots is also high on that list. They're actually doing it. That is, if they're not just an epidemic, and actually organized.
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Just once, id like to see where Duo and his purple pal come from.
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Well, one day Inafune had a little too much to drink...
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Yea-no.
I mean seriously. Im curious.
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You're not the only one Flame. I too would like to know where this two bots originated from. A boot to the head to anyone who even dares say 'SPACE'!
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Really, all these votes for Weil? Wanting to blow up everything is not evil, it's just stupid.
Copy X was the most evil villain. He was basically robot Hitler. Copy X tried to commit robot genocide, and I swear I read somewhere that Neo Arcadia had concentration camps for Reploids. Copy X had countless of innocent Reploids executed, all while being hailed as a hero. Now that's really evil.
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You're right, killing half the innocent population is worse than killing all of it.
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It is when you're tricking the other half into doing/condoning it. Anybody can blow up the world, but it takes one truly evil bastard to turn a peaceful country whose biggest worry is their electric bill into a bunch of prejudiced murderous psychopaths.
and I swear I read somewhere that Neo Arcadia had concentration camps for Reploids.
Wasn't that Z1's next stage after the introduction? You know, Aztec Falcon on the garbage compressor?
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I don't think living while tricked by a madman is worse than being dead.
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You're not the only one Flame. I too would like to know where this two bots originated from. A boot to the head to anyone who even dares say 'SPACE'!
they DID come from space though. Only they are from some other civilization IN space.
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I don't think living while tricked by a madman is worse than being dead.
I guess that was a bad choice of words on my part. Not so much "tricked" as "corrupted". When you're tricked you're still one of the good guys, you just don't know what you're doing. When you're corrupted, you're fully aware of what's going on and some twisted sense of logic convinces you that it's okay anyway.
That's the difference. Copy X attacked the very nature of the people, in the name of peace. Most evil kind of person there is if you ask me. Weil just wanted them to suffer; evil yes, but it's the simple, straightforward kind of evil. Far easier to recognize and eliminate.
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So in the grand scale of Villains, CX is really the most subtle one.
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Subtle is how truly evil people get it done. That's how you get the good people to do nothing.
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Hmm. I suppose. But in terms of general evilness, I place the likes of Sigma way above him. I always consider Copy X a very spoiled and misguided bastard. Like Superman said to his clone in the Doomsday movie
"I am you Superman. A reflection as you might have been.../...if you were STRONG."
"You're self righteous, misguided, my reflection in a CRACKED mirror."
Something like that applies here I do believe. Where the villain IS quite bad, but you can SOMEWHAT sympathize with them, no matter how little.
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I guess that was a bad choice of words on my part. Not so much "tricked" as "corrupted". When you're tricked you're still one of the good guys, you just don't know what you're doing. When you're corrupted, you're fully aware of what's going on and some twisted sense of logic convinces you that it's okay anyway.
The people were the ones I meant as being tricked. Copy X doesn't mean to be evil (other than perhaps as in "a necessary evil"), and ultimately wants to preserve the human race, so no matter what the outcome should be better if you give Copy X free reign than ditto for Weil.
"Better" being relative, of course...
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The people were the ones I meant as being tricked.
You say that as if I was discussing someone else.
When I was talking of "corruption", I was not talking about Copy X's own character but rather Copy X's ability to corrupt the masses, to convince others that he is right, as we observe with the Big Four. They're freaking HEROES and they're willing to slaughter innocents on their superior's say-so. That's what makes Copy X dangerous, I don't believe that effect stopped there. I don't buy that the entire general public of Neo Arcadia was "tricked". You honestly think they believe that the 'roids in the camp are the same as the Mavericks who dropped a space colony to nearly annihilate the planet? I sincerely doubt that. More likely, between propaganda and the fact that they're reaping the benefits, they don't care.
Or as Zero put it: "What value is there in the justice that complacent humans seek?"
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You honestly think they believe that the 'roids in the camp are the same as the Mavericks who dropped a space colony to nearly annihilate the planet?
I wonder if the bias is worse toward bald Repliroids.
That's what makes Copy X dangerous
But does effectiveness equal most evil?
By the way, this whole discussion reminds me of Albert, Serpent and Dr. Vile, they effectively used the irregulars to further their own anti-irregular goals, with the whole world in the balance. Also, Sigma's use of Sigma Virus is just as dangerous as all of the aforementioned. So, does Copy-X really rank all that higher in danger? I'd say they're about equal, and we should solely judge them on how "evil" they are.
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X is the true Maverick! With his unwillingness to evolve! [/Redips]
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I'm sure someone said this somewhere but...
Dr. Light.
For srs.
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When I was talking of "corruption", I was not talking about Copy X's own character but rather Copy X's ability to corrupt the masses, to convince others that he is right, as we observe with the Big Four. They're freaking HEROES and they're willing to slaughter innocents on their superior's say-so. That's what makes Copy X dangerous, I don't believe that effect stopped there. I don't buy that the entire general public of Neo Arcadia was "tricked". You honestly think they believe that the 'roids in the camp are the same as the Mavericks who dropped a space colony to nearly annihilate the planet? I sincerely doubt that. More likely, between propaganda and the fact that they're reaping the benefits, they don't care.
Or as Zero put it: "What value is there in the justice that complacent humans seek?"
I do believe most of the human population assumed Copy X was right when he accused convenient reploids of being mavericks. It seems more likely than them all condoning mass murder, regardless of motivation.
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Nobody outside of Power and the resistance knows that Copy X is a copy. everyone thinks he is the real X, alive for centuries, the first Reploid, who ended the wars. SO they follow him blindly.
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Exactly!
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Dr.Weil, no doubt from me. Not only did he start a grand war and later joined (For what I call the Neo Arcadia war)another one (Even though his influence was high already before arriving), his massive hatred for both humans and Reploids alike showed to me the franchise's most evil and twisted villain it has seen yet. He destroyed the world in Zero 3 and almost succeeded beyond destruction in Zero 4, he abuses ancient Reploids, elves and Mavericks,
he manipulates others like tools and continues to do so in the ZX serie very surprisingly. Finally, he is both calculating calm and psychotically unstable. His article on MMKB pretty sums it all up.
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He destroyed the world in Zero 3
Pardon?
he manipulates others like tools and continues to do so in the ZX serie very surprisingly.
Ahhh... but that brings up the age old question, whos the main manipulator here? Albert? or Weil?
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Maybe I got confused with Kefka for a second here, but even so, Dr.Weil still [tornado fang]'d up the world by using both Omega and the Dark Elf near the end of Zero 3, controlling weak minded Reploids. And he assumed the highest authority after Copy X died.
I'd like to think that Dr.Weil remains as the core manipulator in ZX serie, but Zan should be able to tell you the truth.
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I voted other because I think Lumine is the worst. If you can manipulate Sigma then you're pretty out there.