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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => Zero => Topic started by: CyberXIII on June 15, 2009, 03:56:03 AM
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I have several questions regarding Omega.
1st: How was Weil able to control Omega if he was the so called "Original Zero?" The best Capcom came up with was "Omega's possessing Zero's original body", which, unless Omega is Sigma, makes no sense.
2nd: Why didn't Omega mutate like Elpizo when he absorbed the Dark Elf?
3rd: Did Weil obtain Zero's original body before or after the Elf Wars?
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1. He built omega's main processor and just put it in zero's body while it was being analyzed by scientist to understand the sigma virus (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=1389.0) and create an anti-virus, and zero's consciousness was left without a body.
2. Because he was original designed to combine with the Dark Elf after Dr. Weil turned it evil. Although he could by releasing it's full power.
3. Before
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1. How does it not make sense? Weil used Zero's empty body and gave it a new consciousness. A new brain. Remember, Zero and his mind were being kept separate during research. Weil asked the Government if he could use Zero's body to make a super reploid that could help in the war. The Government said yes, and Weil Created Omega with Zero's dormant body. He then built an exterior armor around it to draw out the fullest possible of its power, at the cost of mobility. Unfortunately, Weil had his own agenda, and stole Mother elf, activating the dormant traces of Sigma Virus she was made from, twisting her and effectively "cursing" her. He then used used Omega and Dark Elf against all who opposed him, and used baby clones of Dark Elf, to control reploids worldwide, starting the Elf wars, and causing incredible casualties.
He's Called the original Zero as a mention of his original Zero body, and as psychological warfare against Zero. Trying to make Zero think he is a copy.
2. Because, like Night said, Omega is specifically designed to interact with Dark Elf, as well as the Fact that Zero's body can handle Dark Elf without Mutating. Dark Elf was made from study on Zero's body, and from Virus, therefore they are actually linked in a way. that is the reason that even though Dark elf is mentally unstable, she seems to recognize Zero, and hold some form of allegiance to him.
3. Before. Weil Made Omega, and then stole Mother elf, starting the war.
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BTW, What does the fact that Omega can "grow" hair out of nothing? (you know, just before that battle)
Does the hair actually mean anything? Or was it just fancy animation?
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2nd: Why didn't Omega mutate like Elpizo when he absorbed the Dark Elf?
Pardon?
(http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/mywarehouse/Mega%20Man/omega2.jpg)
(http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/mywarehouse/Mega%20Man/concept3_omegabigstand.jpg)
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1. As much as Vile despised Repliroids, he needed one to make his visions come true. Zero had the potential, but his conciousness was in the way. During research, Zero's conciousness was separated from the main body (presumably his Brain Chip like in X2, or actual Cyber Soul). When Vile claimed Zero's body for himself after the Irregular War was over, he made a new conciousness that was meant to obey his every word, and that conciousness was Omega. It's interesting to note though the Omega does not seem to be the smartest guy around while in his armored form, barely able to form a whole sentence, yet he can talk just fine in his released form, so I guess bursting all that armor gave him access to more mental capacities in order to handle such a powerful body.
2. Designed to function with the Darkelf to take control over every Repliroid on the planet. The difference is that Elpis simply absorbed the Darkelf and let her take control of him (somewhat). When he released the full power of the Darkelf, he completely mutated his body, while prior to that, his body already had been altered via Cyberspace manipulation. Omega on the other hand kept the Darkelf captive. He controlled her. And like Elpis, he underwent a transformation upon sucking her in, with his body changing color and later mutating when releasing every ounce of power she had.
3. From what it sounds like in the book, Omega was created DURING Elf War. Certainly Vile had been working on him the entire time but Omega himself only started appearing on the battlefields of Earth until the last act of it, presumable even after Zero got a copy body and stole the Darkelf from Vile, leaving him with nothing but Omega and mindless Mechaniroids like the Golems.
4. Fancy animation I guess. Hair would probably be in the way when the main body was interacting with the armor.
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BTW, What does the fact that Omega can "grow" hair out of nothing? (you know, just before that battle)
Does the hair actually mean anything? Or was it just fancy animation?
Might just be folded in. But Omega already demonstrated amazing regenerative capabilities in the first form, so it might also be part of Weils upgrades.
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During research, Zero's conciousness was separated from the main body
Remember, Zero and his mind were being kept separate during research.
Conjecture. >.> Who knows why his mind is not in the body, for all we know Dr. Vile obtained the body with the mind included, but saw no reason to use it. There's a lot ways to go about it, all we know is how it started and how it ended up.
Weil asked the Government if he could use Zero's body to make a super reploid that could help in the war. The Government said yes, and Weil Created Omega with Zero's dormant body.
What we know is that Omega was built as a weapon to end the wars and that he instead dealt a heavy blow to both humans and Repliroids because Vile instead built Omega to be the messiah of his new world. (And Dr. Vile orchestrated the entirety of Elf Wars in the first place.) The exact details on that are sketchy, but yeah, that about sums up the idea nicely.
3. Before. Weil Made Omega, and then stole Mother elf, starting the war.
As Saber said, Omega appeared during the closing of the war alongside Neo Arcadia's great mechaniroids 'Golem'. He was under construction during quite some time it would seem. Adding to that is the factual statement that Omega never attained 'perfection' in Elf Wars, instead appearing as his regular self with the Dark Elf presumed to be in enemy hands. (The Repliroids controlled by the altered Mother Elf ended the war.)
We don't know if Zero stole the Dark Elf, though. Who knows what actually took place for Zero to 'boss Mother around'.... Another one of those cases where we know the start and end but not the inbetween.
Might just be folded in. But Omega already demonstrated amazing regenerative capabilities in the first form, so it might also be part of Weils upgrades.
Both the concept art, cutscene art and sprites show that the hair simply isn't there. The animation to regenerate it obviously exists because Zero wouldn't be Zero without hair.
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Well I meant folded in as in inside him somehow. Did we see concept art from behind (without hair)?
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Who knows why his mind is not in the body, for all we know Dr. Vile obtained the body with the mind included, but saw no reason to use it. There's a lot ways to go about it, all we know is how it started and how it ended up.
We know, because official sources state that zero's consciousness was temporally taken out so his body could be studied in the first place.
What we know is that Omega was built as a weapon to end the wars and that he instead dealt a heavy blow to both humans and Repliroids because Vile instead built Omega to be the messiah of his new world.
What kind of savior kills off over have the population of humans? You're using a mere taunt as plot evidence.
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What kind of savior kills off over have the population of humans? You're using a mere taunt as plot evidence.
Why don't you ask... every cliche villain ever?
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Acid's right. I mean, isn't it common sense for a villain to make a world fit for them, they have to "purge the carbons" first?
You know, they want to like, reset the world and things like that... >w<
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No, Weil just wanted to rule the world and put everyone under him, it doesn't go any deeper than that.
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We know, because official sources state that zero's consciousness was temporally taken out so his body could be studied in the first place.
That statement doesn't exist anywhere. They say he was researched and that his heart was moved to a new body, never in relation to each other. These are the sources talking of Zero's admittance into the research institute:
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Underground Laboratory (Forgotten Laboratory)
ZERO 1
The facility built to house Zero, who was discovered to be the source of the Sigma Virus outbreak. For half a century, Zero was used in many Sigma Virus-related experiments. This laboratory is also where Ciel's ancestors studied Cyber-elves, and where Weil created Omega. But because all records of its existence were wiped from history by Neo Arcadia, only a select few still know where it is.
Sigma Virus
Unfortunately, by tirelessly fulfilling his destiny as a Maverick Hunter, Zero inadvertently spread the virus throughout the world. Eventually, as the host of the virus, Zero was taken to a research facility for study.
The Forgotten Laboratory
The laboratory that Zero was taken to was equipped with the latest technology available at the time, and the researchers there were doing a great deal of research on Reploids and DNA. In the laboratory, two scientists worked tirelessly to bring an end to the Maverick Wars. One of the scientists was Dr. Weil, who believed that the best way to end the fighting was to eliminate all of the humans and Reploids that were, in his eyes, silly enough to fight over matters he found to be trivial - and to then build a utopia for the survivors of the wars on their corpses. The other scientist was a distant female ancestor of Ciel's. By using properties and samples of the Sigma Virus, she created Mother Elf, who had the ability to restore a Maverick to normalcy - indeed, she was able to reverse the effects of the very virus that was used to create her. Unfortunately, Mother Elf was overwhelmed by the effects of the Sigma Virus used to make her, which caused her to become Dark Elf and set Elf Wars into motion.
What kind of savior kills off over have the population of humans? You're using a mere taunt as plot evidence.
Vile's savior would kill everyone, that's because Vile is Vile. TELOS and MMOCW both speak of Omega as the messiah of Vile's new world and MMZOCW mentions Omega being created to end the war only to end up dealing a devastating blow to humanity.
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TELOS:
Suzuki (Character Designer): Up till now, we've been answering the questions, but now we have one for the sound team. What you tell us about the speech of Omega's third form?
Yamada (Sound Director): It's "Ware wa messhia nari!" ["I am the messiah!"] It certainly sounds like that "I am God" kind of speech, something a terrorist or anarchist or someone like that would say, doesn't it? I think that's the kind of impression we we're trying to give. It's not the speech by itself alone that holds significance, however, if you could express Omega's brutality and ferocity and everything into one line, that's what it would be, right! By the way, what's the creation story behind the personality of Omega form three?
Yabe (Background Designer): Omega form 3's personality program (cyber-elf), was programmed by Vile to be his messiah. Though, as to Omega form 3's...Original Zero's personality being completely Vile-made, I couldn't say that.
Ito (Series Director): I can't deny the possibility that the original personality that "a certain doctor who tried to take over the world innumerable times" created for Zero was remaining in the body, and that side of the personality having won over.
Yabe: I guess we're entrusting everyone to use their imagination (he laughs).
MMZOCW:
Dr. Weil had always had his eyes on Zero's body, which had a natural immunity to the Sigma Virus. He knew that a Reploid with no risk of going Maverick would make the perfect weapon to bring an end to the war. To that end, he designed Omega and created him from Zero's body. As Weil expected, the damage wreaked by Omega was enormous - but it only added to the costs of the war, instead of bringing and end to it. Fortunately, he was eventually defeated by X, the hero of the Maverick Wars, and the Reploid now housing Zero's soul. Omega was subsequently exiled to space. Dr. Weil, who was deemed the one responsible for starting the Elf Wars, was sentenced to eternal regeneration, a punishment worse than death.
RZOCW:
Dr. Vile was the one who had his eye on the inmate Zero's body at the research facility. Vile would use the body of the one who had no worry of infection, Zero to create a weapon of destruction to end the wars, and intended for him to fight on the front lines in the Irregular Wars
However, Omega would deliver a devastating blow to humans and Repliroids, and as a result of that Omega would be destroyed and exiled to space by Zero, whose heart was moved to a different body, and the hero of the Irregular Wars, X.
And then, Vile who was also held responsible for the damage in the war, was given a punishment far heavier than the
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Pardon?
(http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/mywarehouse/Mega%20Man/omega2.jpg)
(http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq22/mywarehouse/Mega%20Man/concept3_omegabigstand.jpg)
Those were forms created from Omega's battle body, not the Zero body. I'm talking about why the Original Zero body didn't mutate too.
4. What happened to the Zero virus inside Omega? Was it ever completely purged?
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Eliminated along with Sigma virus?
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4. What happened to the Zero virus inside Omega?
What Zero Virus in Zero? The Virus that Zero was spreading was the Sigma Virus.
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What Zero Virus in Zero? The Virus that Zero was spreading was the Sigma Virus.
Wasn't the original program that Sigma was infected with the Zero Virus? I always thought that was the first virus, and it was recreated in Mega Man X5.
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It wasn't the Zero Virus. That was the Virus created and used on Zero in X5. The original Virus was the one that spread to Sigma, which in turn became the Sigma Virus.
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May I redirect you people to this? (http://forum.rockmanpm.com/index.php?topic=1389.0)
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It wasn't the Zero Virus. That was the Virus created and used on Zero in X5. The original Virus was the one that spread to Sigma, which in turn became the Sigma Virus.
this. The virus Zero originally had has no name. It is retroactively called Sigma virus because it is the virus that merged with sigma
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Hm, Zan, didn't you say that the virus changed when it infected Sigma? Shouldn't it have a different name before that?
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Wily Virus
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Something like that.
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Hm, Zan, didn't you say that the virus changed when it infected Sigma? Shouldn't it have a different name before that?
It changed in that it gained aspects of Sigma because Sigma has become part of it. But the Virus is still remarkably similar to Zero's DNA.
Also, what 'should' is not necessarily the same as what 'is'.
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The real question that needs to be answered here is how can omega pull out his sword when it's the same shape as the sheath?
Yes... a difficult question to answer indeed.
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Sheath simply breaks apart. I assume it regenerates in the same manner as the core-Omega's hair does. *shrugs*
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It changed in that it gained aspects of Sigma because Sigma has become part of it. But the Virus is still remarkably similar to Zero's DNA.
It is?
Don't all the viruses (virii?) ultimately originate from Zero? Hmm, maybe it's graphtime...
EDIT: Well. Come to think of it I have no memory where the Colony virus and Zero virus came from. Sigma had the Colony virus used, but I dunno how he got it.
IIRC the Colony and Sigma virus combined into the Zero virus though.
Also, what 'should' is not necessarily the same as what 'is'.
That... doesn't really mean anything. But with no name given by the games, I suppose there's nothing more to the idea.
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viruses (virii?)
Viruses. "Virii" is a failed attempt at trying to use latin plurals, in which case it would be "viri". (us -> i)
Come to think of it I have no memory where the Colony virus and Zero virus came from. Sigma had the Colony virus used, but I dunno how he got it.
The Colony Virus was made by Sigma to create the Zero Virus by combining his Sigma Virus with the Colony Virus.
That... doesn't really mean anything. But with no name given by the games, I suppose there's nothing more to the idea.
The point is, every single sourcebook says that the Virus originally within Zero is "Sigma Virus".
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That's silly. But I can't protest against Word of God.
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That's silly. But I can't protest against Word of God.
I did say 'what should is not the same as what is'.
These are the specific quotes we've got on the matter:
Rockman Perfect Memories:
Exactly what kinds of secrets are sleeping in Zero's past?
Zero has almost no memory of the past. However, sometimes he seems to see a person resembling Dr. Wily in his dreams. And it's also said that Zero was born with the Sigma Virus already inside of him. His creation is it actually to battle with whom? One would never think it was for justice, however...
X: He was made by Dr. Right. Will the time for his fated battle with Zero come?
Dr. Wily: The one who put the Sigma Virus in Zero is, perhaps him......
MMZOCW:
Sigma Virus
ZERO1
A terrifying Virus that makes Reploids go Maverick. Initially, Zero was the only one infected with the Virus, but as he traveled the world to battle Mavericks, he unwittingly spread the Virus.
ZERO 1
The facility built to house Zero, who was discovered to be the source of the Sigma Virus outbreak. For half a century, Zero was used in many Sigma Virus-related experiments. This laboratory is also where Ciel's ancestors studied Cyber-elves, and where Weil created Omega. But because all records of its existence were wiped from history by Neo Arcadia, only a select few still know where it is.
Sigma Virus
The terrifying virus that causes a Reploid to go Maverick... Zero was the first Reploid to be infected by the virus... Unfortunately, by tirelessly fulfilling his destiny as a Maverick Hunter, Zero inadvertently spread the virus throughout the world. Eventually, as the host of the virus, Zero was taken to a research facility for study.
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Folks, its called using a word retroactively. Since the original virus from within Zero has no name, and the Sigma virus, although now a permanent part of Sigma is still largely the same as when it was inside Zero, the term "Sigma" Virus is used retroactively to refer to the one that originally resided within Zero.
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But for some reason it still confuses people... -AC
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Folks, its called using a word retroactively. Since the original virus from within Zero has no name, and the Sigma virus, although now a permanent part of Sigma is still largely the same as when it was inside Zero, the term "Sigma" Virus is used retroactively to refer to the one that originally resided within Zero.
If it had been the same thing there would be no problem or confusion, since it's just naming a hitherto unnamed but known thing. But it isn't, so there is.
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It should just be called the Irregular/Maverick Virus to dispel confusion, but unfortunately that's not the case. That would make far too much sense.
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It should just be called the Irregular/Maverick Virus to dispel confusion, but unfortunately that's not the case. That would make far too much sense.
But the thing is, it was called the Irregular/Maverick Virus before it was revealed that Sigma is part of it, making it the Sigma Virus.
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But the thing is, it was called the Irregular/Maverick Virus before it was revealed that Sigma is part of it, making it the Sigma Virus.
Oh, I'm well aware of that, hence why I brought it up. I'm just saying they probably should have continued to call it that, to keep the concept more understandable to the general gamer populace.
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Don´t we have already a thread about the virus? Don´t go off topic too much
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how about we just call the original one from Zero, 'Original Sigma virus'?
or maybe 'Original Virus'
'Wily Virus'?
'unknown virus'?
(We can't call it Zero virus because thats not what it its, and would only cause confusion with the Zero virus from X5.)
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The reason I insist we call the original Sigma Virus even before it became part of Sigma is because otherwise people can't make out the meaning of the sourcebooks. The majority of misunderstandings about MMZOCW and Three Keys revolve around Zero being "first infected with Sigma Virus."
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Yet poeple get confused no matter WHAT we call it... >__>;
Thats the problem.
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Yet poeple get confused no matter WHAT we call it... >__>;
Thats the problem.
So you would agree with Agent K?
Moving back on topic, was the Dark Elf designed for use with Original Zero? Elpizo tried to merge with it and became a horribly corrupted monster. Omega used it and only got slightly crazier.
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No, It was made FROM Zero. They studied Zero's robo guts to analyze the virus, and found a way to make Mother Elf.
Its kind of like this.
In a similar way that X is the father of Reploids, Zero is the father of Cyber Elves.
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Not Zero, Sigma Virus. Cyber Elves were developed from the Sigma Virus. Zero just happens to be naturally immune to it and getting power boosts by the purification effect.
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So Sigma is their daddy?
Didnt they research the virus in Zero though? I remember them researching something in his body...
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IT'S not THAT hard to understand...Mother elf= made from Zero's Original Body's Virus data to eleminate the Sigma Virus infecting Mavericks. Which means the Mother Elf is 100% compatible with Zero's original body, unlike other Reploids who tried to merge with it. Then the Mother Elf is corrupted by Weil and turns "evil". Yet, is STILL 100% Compatible with Zero's original body. So when Omega, Possessing Zero's Original Body, Merge with Dark Elf, he doesn't mutate, because He's 100% compatible with it. Oh and, he didn't turn crazier. There are NO evidence that the Dark Elf altered Omega's mind.
Problem is, we can't assume too much because the sourcebooks says very limited things on Elf Wars and the Sigma Virus' Origin( The origin of it's creation.)
As for Sigma Virus....it's not so hard to understand either:
Zero was created with the Virus within him, at this point, the Virus had no name. At some point in time, Zero awakens with his precise mission being unknown. He is found by Gamma team, wandering in a forbidden area. Zero wipes out Gamma Team and is, then, met by Sigma. Sigma battles with Zero and as the Battle Climax to an End, the Virus in Zero, which still bears no name, is tranferred to Sigma. Zero(I ASSUME) is still a carrier at that point and so is Sigma. Zero is repaired by Dr.Cain and, from now on, Zero shows no apparent sign of Irregularity and is watched over by Sigma. The virus continues to spread and causes more MAverick outbreaks, Zero and Sigma keep on fighting while spreading it at the same time. At some point, Sigma decides to rebel against humanity. At that point, the Virus STILL has no distinct name and is just called Maverick Virus. Then after X2 or X3( not sure), It is discovered that Sigma is spreading a virus which turns Reploids Maverick. FROM THAT POINT ON, the Virus is called Sigma Virus because nobody in the X Games ever knew( and for that fact will nener know) that the Virus originated from Zero. Before The Virus was discovered, Everyone thought The Maverick Phenomenon was caused by errors in their brain circuit. Then The Virus ,which Sigma caught from Zero, was discovered, but since nobody knew it originated from Zero and instead thought it originated from Sigma, they called it the Sigma Virus.
The fact that Zero is a carrier will be found out many many years later at the end of the Maverick wars.
At least, that's what I understand, things that I have just said might be untrue and based on personal opinions.
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Well, In X2, we fight Wireframe Sigma, but it is not until X fights Doppler and brings him to his senses that he reveals that Sigma's true form is that of a virus. and since then, it is the "Sigma Virus"
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IT'S not THAT hard to understand...Mother elf= made from Zero's Original Body's Virus data to eleminate the Sigma Virus infecting Mavericks. Which means the Mother Elf is 100% compatible with Zero's original body, unlike other Reploids who tried to merge with it. Then the Mother Elf is corrupted by Weil and turns "evil". Yet, is STILL 100% Compatible with Zero's original body. So when Omega, Possessing Zero's Original Body, Merge with Dark Elf, he doesn't mutate, because He's 100% compatible with it. Oh and, he didn't turn crazier. There are NO evidence that the Dark Elf altered Omega's mind.
WARE WA MESIAH NARI! HA HA HA HA HA!
Granted, Omega was nuts to begin with, but that was over the top.
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how would we know, all he said before that was "GRRUUUUOOOOO... ZEEEEERRROOOOOO...!"
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He seemed more instinctual if anything. Not exactly conscious to the degree most other reploids, but enough to follow orders without hesitation. And to maintain track of said orders.
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As for Sigma Virus....it's not so hard to understand either:
Zero was created with the Virus within him, at this point, the Virus had no name. At some point in time, Zero awakens with his precise mission being unknown. He is found by Gamma team, wandering in a forbidden area. Zero wipes out Gamma Team and is, then, met by Sigma. Sigma battles with Zero and as the Battle Climax to an End, the Virus in Zero, which still bears no name, is tranferred to Sigma. Zero(I ASSUME) is still a carrier at that point and so is Sigma. Zero is repaired by Dr.Cain and, from now on, Zero shows no apparent sign of Irregularity and is watched over by Sigma. The virus continues to spread and causes more MAverick outbreaks, Zero and Sigma keep on fighting while spreading it at the same time. At some point, Sigma decides to rebel against humanity. At that point, the Virus STILL has no distinct name and is just called Maverick Virus. Then after X2 or X3( not sure), It is discovered that Sigma is spreading a virus which turns Reploids Maverick. FROM THAT POINT ON, the Virus is called Sigma Virus because nobody in the X Games ever knew( and for that fact will nener know) that the Virus originated from Zero. Before The Virus was discovered, Everyone thought The Maverick Phenomenon was caused by errors in their brain circuit. Then The Virus ,which Sigma caught from Zero, was discovered, but since nobody knew it originated from Zero and instead thought it originated from Sigma, they called it the Sigma Virus.
The fact that Zero is a carrier will be found out many many years later at the end of the Maverick wars.
At least, that's what I understand, things that I have just said might be untrue and based on personal opinions.
What about when it was called the Zero Virus for a short time? The collision after the colony in space in X5 ended up creating an even deadlier virus that seemed to relate to Zero and was called the Zero Virus? What was up with that?
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That was a custom developed Virus by mixing the Colony Virus and the Sigma Virus. It is a composite Virus brought by both those. It isn't the initial Virus...
It was called the Zero Virus because after it's creation it gave off a signature similar to Zero. To which Alia dubbed it the Zero Virus.
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Boy, I always new the X series was confusing, but this is ridiculous.
Capcom can make fun games, but they can't make a decent timeline to save themselves.
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Inticreates.
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Boy, I always new the X series was confusing, but this is ridiculous.
Capcom can make fun games, but they can't make a decent timeline to save themselves.
It is explained rather well within the X5 Still Framed cut scenes. But don't worry, R20 X will hit the states late this year to early next year. It should help clear up anything... As long as it isn't translated in portion poorly as the ZOCW was... Good ol Suffering Circuit ruse...
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Hopefully it won't have pages end in the middle of a sentence too.
Please tell us a little about how the idea of a sequel came about.
AIZU: Towards the end of production, we felt that the characters involved in this game were quite memorable in their own right, and that it would be a shame to let their story end so soon. To that end, we adjusted things a bit to leave it open for a sequel, but that's also why most of the game is not indicative of a planned sequel. The real question of whether or not we were going to do a sequel came up after we were pretty much done. Since we had left the first game with such an open ending, I think that we managed to pull off the
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Oh, and if the Zero in Z1 was a copy, why did they need to seal him away? Wasn't the original virus in the original body?
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Zero was sealed for an undetermined amount of time. During that Seal, Zero was moved into a replicated body. Since that consciousness is 'Sealed', he would still be sealed within the replicated body. He was ported. His stasis didn't change.
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Zero was sealed for an undetermined amount of time. During that Seal, Zero was moved into a replicated body. Since that consciousness is 'Sealed', he would still be sealed within the replicated body. He was ported. His stasis didn't change.
after the Elf wars. After Omega and Weil were stopped, Zero Sealed himself again. Its a whole drama track Zechs... >_>;
And he sealed himself for fear of his destiny, not his body or the virus. He has constantly been used to cause havoc and destruction.
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Wasn't talking about the resealing. I was referring to the initial sealing. His initial sealing was the case that Weil got involved and Omega was born... Not after his awakening again...
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Except theres no instance that actually says he was put into a copy body UNTIL He was awakened to help X. It says they put him in a copy body and sent him out on the battlefield. For all we know, His mind was stored in a floppy disk until the time came for him to fight again. and It would make sense too. His consciousness was removed from his body for whatever reason, most likely to protect it in case anything happened to the body. It was probably stored somewhere externally. then when they saw they needed him, they built a replica body.
unless im wrong.
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I would have assumed they produced the Copy Body in case they couldn't revive Zero from the research outcome they were doing. A protocol procedure in other words. Plus since it would take time for a replica body to be produced it wouldn't make sense if the copy body was produced for the sole reason to fight Omega with X...
Of course, that is only another speculation...
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But don't worry, R20 X will hit the states late this year to early next year. It should help clear up anything...
R20 is NOT a story book.
Oh, and if the Zero in Z1 was a copy, why did they need to seal him away? Wasn't the original virus in the original body?
Zero: As long as I'm around...the bloodstained history will repeat itself.
Zero: I've been constantly thinking... For whom...for what...must we Repliroids kill one another... Even at such a time...you kept believing in humans... I trust you as my friend... So...the words of the humans whom you believe in...I want to believe in.
I would have assumed they produced the Copy Body in case they couldn't revive Zero from the research outcome they were doing. A protocol procedure in other words. Plus since it would take time for a replica body to be produced it wouldn't make sense if the copy body was produced for the sole reason to fight Omega with X...
MMZOCW specifically points out Zero awakened in the copy body during the Elf Wars.
How long it has been in production is not stated, but the production of the copy body is entirely related to the production of Omega.
But really, what doesn't make sense? The Elf Wars is a four year war. Omega was started early on and a copy of X could be made by a 9 year old girl genius whose ancestor was a scientist alive during the Elf Wars and involved in Project Elpis..
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R20 is NOT a story book.
Never said it was. It will obviously consist of some source material.
MMZOCW specifically points out Zero awakened in the copy body during the Elf Wars.
How long it has been in production is not stated, but the production of the copy body is entirely related to the production of Omega.
But really, what doesn't make sense? The Elf Wars is a four year war. Omega was started early on and a copy of X could be made by a 9 year old girl genius whose ancestor was a scientist alive during the Elf Wars and involved in Project Elpis..
I wasn't infringing on that Fact.
The Copy Body was created in production of Omega. I wasn't ignoring that either. Just stating that the Copy Body wasn't created to counter Omega. That is all.
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Just to remind you guys.
As MMZOCW states, Zero´s new body has more potencial than his original body.
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The statement is:
"showing at least as much if not more potential than the last".
Which is not the same as saying in fact that it has more potential. He has certain additions like the transformable Z-saber. And who knows where the Form Change system comes in. But it also has several things it lacks compared to the original. There is the clear cut lack of a ground punch and a 2x buster - saber combo. We could also put heavy question marks behind the new gameplay limitations of Zero's Learning Ability and the related lack of originality between titles.
All in all, that statement exists solely, beyond the matter of 'heart', to excuse the fact that a copy could do such impossible things as depicted in the games. He after all plowed through all the Vile Numbers, followed by three Dark Elf enhanced forms of Omega.
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You know, something just occurred to me, which may be related to the question of how many sabers Omega holds. Assuming the Z-Saber wave is not a charged attack (which, barring X3's gameplay limitations, it never is), Omega lacks the ability to charge the saber and buster at the same time.
Model OX can, but only when Overdrive is off.
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@Hypershell Gameplay mechanic.
I wonder why Omega never used a technique outside of Ryuenjin and Rakuhouha....
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The saber wave is a technique, as is the air spin mini-waves.
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He uses Tenshouha, (the beam of light is Tenshouha for all intents and purpouses, and the ground pound from X2.
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I mean techniques you as the player could use in the X series.
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Shot-Shot-Saber was in X3. (although Omega uses the X2 version.) Tenshouha is an X8 move, Rakuhouha and Ryuuenjin are X4, and Ox uses Rekkouha from X6 instead of Tenshouha. those are all X series moves. thats the whole point of Omega Zero. he uses X series moves, to emphasize that its Zero's body from the X series.
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I meant the copied saber attacks, like Hyouretsuzan and Shipuuga.
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So Shipuuga and Hyouretsuzan are copied, yet Rakuhouha, Ryuuenjin, and Rekkouha are not? He only uses select moves. And all because he has them doesnt mean he is going to use them...
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When I said techniques, I meant saber techniques, not Giga Attacks. That's a different matter.
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He uses a variation of the crescent sword. from X5 (instead of one big crecent, he shoots pout several) He also uses split heavens. then he also has that giga where he slashes you 7 times.
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That 7-slash attack was a street fighter reference. He never used it in the X games.
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Street fighter reference?
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Many fans liken it to Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKGkus8_mn8). Of course, none of the Street Fighter characters use a sword, and Shun Goku Satsu always blacks/whites out so you can't see what's going on, and delivers far more than seven hits. They just see a similar theme of "go nuts and kill something", I guess.
(although Omega uses the X2 version.)
It doesn't directly match any version, as Omega is the first (not counting X) to have varying buster strength between the two shots. But if you must draw a comparison X5 would probably be your closest, due to firing both shots out of a single buster.
Tenshouha is an X8 move, Rakuhouha and Ryuuenjin are X4, and Ox uses Rekkouha from X6 instead of Tenshouha. those are all X series moves. thats the whole point of Omega Zero. he uses X series moves, to emphasize that its Zero's body from the X series.
The carry-over of X-series attack names for Omega (and likewise Model OX) is fan-based. I'm unaware of any official source for the names of his moves (one more reason to curse the fact that Model O isn't in ZXA (http://sprites-inc.co.uk/files/ZX/ZxA/Unused/)). And Inti already has a track record of renaming the exact same attack, a rising fire move is after all in every game from Z2 to ZX.
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Varying buster strength aside, it more closely matches the X2 version. No homing effect, and the saber wave doesn't oscillate.
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The carry-over of X-series attack names for Omega (and likewise Model OX) is fan-based. I'm unaware of any official source for the names of his moves (one more reason to curse the fact that Model O isn't in ZXA). And Inti already has a track record of renaming the exact same attack, a rising fire move is after all in every game from Z2 to ZX.
need to call em something. so they get the name of the closest X series attack they resemble.
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I get that. It's just that people read it, don't know where it came from, and get the message that it's "the same attack". It isn't. Obvious homage, but still.
Thus we get our grey areas such as Tenshouha vs. Rekkoha. Which is Omega's healing move? Truth be told is matches neither, Tenshouha is a single solid beam and neither should be rotating. Likewise, Rekkoha comes from above, so OX's max charged criss-crossing ground punch doesn't match it either. The only real logic to matching Tenshouha to Omega and Rekkoha to OX is comparable range (and really Omega has more width than Tenshouha does).
Zero and derivatives thereof (Omega, OX) have collectively seen 14 different ground-punching attacks, with 8 names thus far having been given for them. The only names to ever be repeated were Earth Gaizer and Shin Messenko, and that is when the attacks were frame-for-frame identical.
No homing effect
Only applicable to the saber wave, as X5 has both homing and non-homing buster shots.
Of course, the move and its derivatives originate in X2, same for ground punching, so it's fitting enough.
Using a uppercut-slash to launch a saber wave was never done previously either. Nice touch, I think.
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That 7-slash attack was a street fighter reference. He never used it in the X games.
Unless you count Zero's Command Arts.
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Nice shot, Oakes. I forgot about that one.
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Using a uppercut-slash to launch a saber wave was never done previously either. Nice touch, I think.
Omega doesn't do that...?
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No, Omega does. I meant it was never done before him.
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Oh right, uppercut slash, not rising slash.
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Either one could be called the Rising slash, as the track record for both has been established in portable titles. But yeah, I meant the standing one. To avoid confusion I'd use "Rising Fang" as the jumping one.
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Isn't that Split Heavens?
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Unless you count Zero's Command Arts.
And I don't, as Zero was capable of far more slashes in CM.
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In the Rockman ZX Official Complete Guide, Omega's moves have official names. But they're not exactly befitting. I think there might have been an error somewhere, but as it stands, these are the only Japanese Capcom-published names that I know of.
トリプルスラッシュ - Triple Slash
チャージセイバー - Charge Saber
アークブレード - Arc Blade
ダブルチャージウェーブ - Double Charge Wave
Those ones should be obvious enough, now for the trickier ones.
龍炎刃 - Ryuuenjin - What the Brady Games ZX guide calls "Rising Fang" officially shares the move name with X4's special uppercut move from Dragoon, even though Omega doesn't use the elemental version himself.
滅閃光 - Messenkou
裂光覇 - Rekkouha - The ground pound moves. These two are odd. Messenkou from X5's Hotarunicus and Rekouha from X6's Mijinion. Omega's Messenkou is the beam that comes down over himself, and Rekkouha is the 5-directional spread shot. If you know these moves from the games they came from, then you'd probably think it was the exact opposite, X5's messenkou is a spread shot and X6's rekkouha brings down beams of light. I thought it might have been a label editing error, but the pictures and descriptions are consistent in the terminology. They're just weirdly named.
乱舞 - Ranbu - "War Dance" "Boisterous Dance" "Crazy Dance" "Berserker Dance" are some things you could translate it as. Real name of the "7 hit combo" which the guide book describes as a 5 slash combo, followed by Ryuuenjin. Zero can upgrade his combos to 7-swing in X7 and 5-swing in X8, so it doesn't seem too strange.
For funsies, Model OX overdrive move names:
龍炎刃 - Ryuuenjin - With the actual flames this time.
アークブレード - Arc Blade - With iciness.
真空刃 - Shinkuujin - "Vacuum Blade" elec element saber wave.
アースクラッシュ - Earth Crush - Zero's uncharged ground pounding move, the old X2 name instead of the later used "Earth Geyser"
滅閃光 - Messenkou - The next charge level up, attacks at 180 degrees just like its X5 namesake, but more like what Omega calls Rekkouha.
裂光覇 - Rekkouha - Also resembles the X6 version, the fully charged ground pound. These labels are much more accurate than Omega's move names. Strange.
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Forgot X7's 7-hit, too. >_< I guess the longer combos with Zero just aren't my favorite moves, or something.
Real name of the "7 hit combo" which the guide book describes as a 5 slash combo, followed by Ryuuenjin.
Which is incorrect, as I've gone through that attack frame-by-frame. It's 6 hits + Ryuuenjin. Two slashes (2nd combo and uppercut) are repeated so it could be taken as 4 unique moves + Ryuuenjin, but either way, 5 + Ryuuenjin doesn't work.
Given their lack of attention to detail, and the switcheroo with Model OX, I think the Messenko/Rekkoha issue can be safely attributed to an error on their part (similar to the X2 "Neo Sigma" mixup from our other discussion).
Either way, this is nice ammunition for the drones that continue to claim that the Zero-series disregards everything after X5.
アースクラッシュ - Earth Crush - Zero's uncharged ground pounding move, the old X2 name instead of the later used "Earth Geyser"
Huh, I never knew there were official names for the attacks in X2. Any others of note from back then, like his dashing attack?
Isn't that Split Heavens?
One of many names that has been applied. That one is Z3 as I recall, but it was fire-based, as it is every time it appears in the Zero series (sans Omega).
The two neutral-element names for it known without having to translate japanese books (thanks, Marshmallow) are Rising (Xtremes) and Rising Fang (ZX Advent). The earlier is confusing due to "Rising slash" being used to describe the standing attack in the Zero series.
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BUT T3H 0 s3r13s d03sn't h@v3 @nyting t0 d00 w1t t3h X6! LOLOLOLO
Excuse me, I'm sick. Anyway, I wonder why they didn't give Omega elemental attacks? Or a down slash?
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BUT T3H 0 s3r13s d03sn't h@v3 @nyting t0 d00 w1t t3h X6! LOLOLOLO
Excuse me, I'm sick. Anyway, I wonder why they didn't give Omega elemental attacks? Or a down slash?
Dont ever do that again. also, it has everything to do with X6.
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And I don't, as Zero was capable of far more slashes in CM.
That's silly logic. The Command Arts still follow the same principle, lunge at the enemy and slice it down.
Omega's combo hurts enough as it is in the game. Any more hits would be overkill.
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So? Ever use Z3's dash attack against Omega?
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So? Ever use Z3's dash attack against Omega?
What's your point?
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I believe his point is that the Zero series allows serious overkill as the player against bosses.
However, one has to bear in mind that Inti, for reasons beyond my comprehension, gauges their challenge level to default health gauges, which are about a quarter of what the Zero series actually allows outside of Hard Mode. I find that perhaps their single most annoying habit.
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Dont ever do that again. also, it has everything to do with X6.
Forgive the l33tspeak. It was a joke. What does X6 have to do with Omega's techniques?
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It's 6 hits + Ryuuenjin.
I think they count the "jump-in (slash)" as separate from the combo. The advice talks about how it can be avoided before the combo begins.
Either way, this is nice ammunition for the drones that continue to claim that the Zero-series disregards everything after X5.
If the more obvious tie-ins didn't sway said drones, I doubt that an obscure one will, but it does add to the already insurmountable evidence.
Huh, I never knew there were official names for the attacks in X2. Any others of note from back then, like his dashing attack?
No "real" name for that, just dash attack or dash strike. His blocking didn't have one either, just referred to as block or guard. His buster shot was called the Zero Buster then, and a fully charged shot was dubbed "Hyper Zero Blaster" to match X's "Hyper X Blaster" shot. "Double Charge Wave" was introduced along with "Earth Crush." I think that's about it.
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I think they count the "jump-in (slash)" as separate from the combo. The advice talks about how it can be avoided before the combo begins.
That's the only way one can make sense of it, I suppose, but I definitely do not agree with that logic. The jump-in slash is as valid a part of the combo as any other, especially considering that dodging it has nothing to do with dodging the combo; because you'll never dodge it. If you're not in range of the Ranbu, he won't slash, not even on the jump-in.
No "real" name for that, just dash attack or dash strike. His blocking didn't have one either, just referred to as block or guard. His buster shot was called the Zero Buster then, and a fully charged shot was dubbed "Hyper Zero Blaster" to match X's "Hyper X Blaster" shot. "Double Charge Wave" was introduced along with "Earth Crush." I think that's about it.
I assume you mean that the Double Charge Wave consists of two Hyper Zero Blasters? Because there are only two types of Z-Buster shots in X2.
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That's the only way one can make sense of it, I suppose, but I definitely do not agree with that logic. The jump-in slash is as valid a part of the combo as any other, especially considering that dodging it has nothing to do with dodging the combo; because you'll never dodge it. If you're not in range of the Ranbu, he won't slash, not even on the jump-in.
It probably is poorly worded, but I don't think they mean too much by it. The player can do a jumping-slash, triple slash and follow it up with some other move to make a combo, but the triple slash is a move that is a combo in itself, and only performed on the ground standing still. Ranbu is a 5-slash combo move on the ground that Omega always performs a jumping-slash before and a ryuuenjin after, just because that's how he likes to do it.
assume you mean that the Double Charge Wave consists of two Hyper Zero Blasters? Because there are only two types of Z-Buster shots in X2.
Yes. Sorry, guess I wasn't clear. You are correct.
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Forgive the l33tspeak. It was a joke. What does X6 have to do with Omega's techniques?
you sais the '0 series" has nothing to do with X6. it does.
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Ranbu is a 5-slash combo move on the ground that Omega always performs a jumping-slash before and a ryuuenjin after, just because that's how he likes to do it.
(http://mysite.verizon.net/Serpentara/objection.gif)
1st slash is not jumping. I left "jump-in" go because that's what Omega does, prior to slashing. Not during
Let me just illustrate. Ranbu goes like this:
(http://mysite.verizon.net/Serpentara/OmegaRanbu.gif)
Omega always dash-jumps beforehand, that's the giveaway, but he does not perform a midair attack during the approach. All 6 pre-Ryuuenjin hits are done on the ground.
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However, the confusion starts when the dash-jump contact actually does damage.
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Not really. because theres no pink.
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However, the confusion starts when the dash-jump contact actually does damage.
This is MegaMan. ANY contact does damage.
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unless you're the boss.
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ALRIGHT! When you are the player, contact with any enemy causes damage to you. AND THAT IS A LOT!!! -_-
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(http://mysite.verizon.net/Serpentara/OmegaRanbu.gif)
Cool pic. With that, allow me to attempt to justify yet again then. Ranbu attacks are worth 1 hp of damage each, noted by the book. So Omega follows up a normal standing swipe (that deals a normal 4 damage as Zero's/Model OX's does) with 5 inescapable Ranbu strikes (dealing 1 damage each) and ends with ryuuenjin (doing 3 damage, for 12 HP total damage). One could count the initial strike as part of the combo, and perhaps should, but it's not a Ranbu strike by nature of the power difference. I guess. Sound better?
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The limb is growing a lot further out. Nevertheless, I don't think we'll make much more sense of it than that.
That being said, the first swipe is every bit as inescapable as the rest of the combo. Again, if Omega cannot trap you, he won't proceed with the Ranbu. Usually he will not attack at all; however in ZX, I have known him to do a normal triple slash out of the dash-jump if you're borderline on his attack range. That may be what the guide is talking about, but it's still inaccurate, as the two are different attacks. If in such an instance you do get caught in the first hit of the triple slash, it does not trigger the Ranbu.
Also, on this:
The player can do a jumping-slash, triple slash and follow it up with some other move to make a combo
Something of a half-truth. The first of the triple slash will not break the damage barrier from a jumping slash on a boss. You can, however, triple slash, rise, and dive, to form a 5-hit combo. I do that all the time in Z3/Z4.
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That being said, the first swipe is every bit as inescapable as the rest of the combo. Again, if Omega cannot trap you, he won't proceed with the Ranbu.
Yes, so avoid the jump-in, and avoid everything. The book had it right, it was just my paraphrasing that was sloppy, since I wasn't really familiar with the move when I threw that out there, and wrongfully presumed that jumping in would involve a jumping slash rather than a standing one.
But I do agree. The book really should have included that first lock-in strike within the Ranbu combo listing itself, simply explaining that the initial swipe is worth more in damage, but distinguished Ranbu strikes by their damage power alone instead. Or at least explain up-front that the Ranbu combo always follows an initial strike like how they said it finishes with a Ryuuenjin instead of just mentioning it in passing later in the paragraph. But, whateva.
Something of a half-truth. The first of the triple slash will not break the damage barrier from a jumping slash on a boss.
Thanks for the nitpick, but I didn't specify on bosses. Zero isn't a boss, as established earlier in this thread, so what he can do to a boss physics-wise isn't equal to what they can do to him. It was just a rough example of making a combo from a combo. I'll try harder next time.
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Yes, so avoid the jump-in, and avoid everything. The book had it right, it was just my paraphrasing that was sloppy, since I wasn't really familiar with the move when I threw that out there, and wrongfully presumed that jumping in would involve a jumping slash rather than a standing one.
Well, that certainly clarifies things. Thank you.
Thanks for the nitpick, but I didn't specify on bosses. Zero isn't a boss, as established earlier in this thread, so what he can do to a boss physics-wise isn't equal to what they can do to him. It was just a rough example of making a combo from a combo. I'll try harder next time.
I'm somewhat of a stickler on how "combos" impact a boss's Damage Barrier only because, if you disregard it, combo talk is irrelevant seeings how you can rapid-fire everything into oblivion. You can likewise saber-combo into infinity with Model OX by using Shinkuujin to kill the lag from the third slash (useful if you have hacked for Model OX during the Guardian Base attack; damn ZX's lack of New Game Plus).
Ever since Z2 Inticreates has been crafting boss damage barriers to allow for combo attacks, and this is especially key to dealing damage effectively in ZX/Advent. So when people speak of combos in the context of Inti's post-Z2 games, it's hard for me to not lean towards bosses. Such physics would seem especially relevant to the Ranbu; Zero is not a boss but does have a damage barrier (as does pretty much any playable MegaMan character), which Ranbu disregards until completed.
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I am not sure how that move could possibly be done without breaking an arm, but it is a pretty devestating attack, thank god I always have the Shadow Dash Chip in Z3, however, it absolutely destroyed me in ZX. :(
Yeah, I always hated how you could get the most hits in with a triple slash, the bosses invunerabily after hits always got on my nerves, and it lasted so long :/
Thankfully If you know how to execute a spinning attack or the dashing stabbing EX skill, you can dish out some decent damage, when battling Omega in Z3, I got around a 9th of a bar of heath with a single jump spin. :)
Either way, If you get past the whole evil trying to destroy Zero and assist Weil in controlling the world part, Omega's really cool. 8D
(I've always wanted to do that smiley, AGAIN! 8D)
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Once again, PLEASE dont necropost. Its a bad thing.
The date posted is right under the title in every post.
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Once again, PLEASE dont necropost. Its a bad thing.
The date posted is right under the title in every post.
Remember, Necroposting isn't looked bad upon as long as it is relevant and not a one-word response.
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Well yeah, but then it isnt really a necropost.
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Well yeah, but then it isnt really a necropost.
Bingo!
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Did I win something? :D
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Did I win something? :D
Have you partizipated in a contest? No. Therefore, no cash.
While I´m writing here, I should contribute my thoughts in that matter again.
Here some summarised information which I had written down once in another forum. However some things are just suggestions of mine and shouldn´t be taken seriously as canon, but fanfic.
The original body of Zero is actually weaker, because the copied body is a new and better version. Let me quote from The Megaman Zero Official Complete Works.
The legendary Reploid who fought vailantly and was known as a hero durring Maverick Wars. Though the soul is indeed that of Zero, the body that Ciel found him was a copyof the original. Zero´s original body, which had caused much damage durring the Elf Wars, had been sent into space, and is now known as Omega.But Zero´s new body, showing at least as much if not more potencial than the last has saved the world twice over from the evil intentions of Omega and Weil, the man controlling him. Zero was last seen in space. His current whereabouts are unknown.
While he was sleeping, his body got probably analysed to 100%, by the scientists of the Research Facility. I do not think, that these scientists where inferior to Dr. Albert W. Wily, but at least on the same level and above.
The key to Zero´s creation is Forte, which was created with the energy Fortium by accident.
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In the ending of Megaman 9 you can see Forte on a screen. It is not just cameo, but it has also a meaning. Dr.Wily research Forte´s accidental origins.
There are actually four versions of Zero:
Zero MkI - Created by Dr. Albert W. Wily. Zero´s original intention was to destroy Rockman and his own creation Forte, but this goal changed, because his age won´t allow him to rule the world, so he programmed Zero to destroy X in the future. Wily´s last will was to prove, that he was the superior scientist by destroying Dr.Light´s greatest invention X. However Zero wasn´t complete cause Wily´s time was running out. All what he could do, was to install the virus, which should later be known as the Sigma Virus and to put Zero in his capsule. After a century Zero waked up and searched for X. He encountered Gamma´s Unit and destroyed them in a mess. Sigma the leader of the Irregular Hunters, was able to defeat Zero after a hard battle. He was able to win, cause the installed virus caused Zero a headache all of the sudden, which gave Sigma enough time to counter. He shattered with his fist Zero´s headgem and knocked Zero unconscious. The virus saved him, but not with a price. He merged with it and thus the Sigma virus was born. Sigma was still sane, but after some time Sigma gone Irregular on himself. This started the Irregular Wars. Before this happened Zero got repaired in Dr.Cain´s lab, who awakened with no memory as a good reploid. He was then teached by Sigma as a irregular hunter and reached soon the Special A (SA) Rank.
In Sigma´s Fortress X was surprised by Vava, after X was distracted by a unconsciousness Zero. However Zero awakened and destroyed himself in a try to kill Vava and to rescue X. The only thing what from Zero could received was his brainchip, which has miraclly survived the destruction of the fortress. With this Zero could be revived, but Dr.Cain failed to create a new body, since his body couldn´t analysed.
Zero MkII - Created by the reploid Sagesse, who is actually Dr. Wily´s Soul in disguise. This body got destroyed by Sigma in Rockman X5, but got repaired by the Reploid Isoc, who is again Dr. Wily in disguise. After a unknown period of time after Rockman X: Command Mission, Zero decides to cure himself completely from the Sigma Virus, since he spread it unintentionaly. During the time he slept in his capsole his brainchip was removed from his body, for security reasons. The now mindless body in his capsule should stay 102 years until the Sigma Virus was removed, however the scientist Dr. Weil used him to create the ultimate weapon against the Irregulars, Omega. Omega was licensed by the goverment, but Dr.Weil betrayed them. After his first defeat against X and Zero, which appeared in a new body, he was sealed in a spaceship and sent to space. He was brought back by the now cyborg Dr. Weil to the earth, after the Dark Elf was no longer prisoned in X´s Body. Although Omega was more stronger than ever with the power of the Dark Elf combined, his final demise are in Zero´s hands. This time ZeroMKII now known as Omega was destroyed for good.
Zero MkIII - Created by the scientists of the Reseach Fability to counter the threat Omega aka ZeroMKII. He was able to defeat with X the reploid Omega. However after this threat banished, Zero believed that his mere existence cause destruction, so he sealed himself again in the Research Facility, this time forever. He was awakened by the scientist Ciel and the Cyberelf Passy. His forced awaken caused a memory loss, although it is unknown if it is temporary or permanent. After his fights against Neo Arcardia, Copy X, Omega and at last Dr. Weil, he seemed to died too, but we may never know.
Livemetal Model Z (Zero) - Created by Dr.Ciel along with Model X (X), H (Harpuia), F (Fefnir), L (Leviathan), P (Phantom) to counter the Livemetal Model W (Weil), which was created by Dr. Albert, by the remains of Ragnarok which are fused with Dr. Weil´s revitalizing armour. Model Z contains Zero´s consciousness (his DNA Soul) and his battle experience. Model Z was used by a reploid named Giroette, who was a chosen one. He could use the ROCk -System. He was very similiar to Zero, however, he was killed by Serpent, who wants to become the Rockman King. He passed with his last power Model Z to the chosen one (Aile/Vent) of Model X. Aile/Vent became to Rockman ZX the ultimate Rockman. Serpent, even merged with a empowered Model W couldn´t defeat Rockman ZX. Rockman ZX decided to put an end of the game of destiny. Model Z was last seen on the Livemetal Ouroborus.
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Awww... :(
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crap, sorry about necroposting -AC