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Rockman & Community => Rockman Series => X => Topic started by: Sky on June 04, 2010, 11:56:01 PM
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i mean like in comparison to zero and sigma
he can beat them in fights but it takes nutso amounts of effort you know?
the same fights i breeze through as zero (and sometimes even axl) take me forever as x
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it's because Wily built Zero to just beat [parasitic bomb] up without having to collect a billion armor pieces to make him better
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(http://i45.tinypic.com/df911t.png)
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One thing you have to give X7: Armor or no armor, X is a weapon of mass destruction.
X is also clearly the stronger character in X4, at least versus bosses. Who'd have thought that shaving a beast's toenails would cripple him? By comparison, Zero doesn't even HAVE a proper weakness weapon against Web Spider, and among several other bosses his weakness weapon is rather inadequate. Thankfully X4 as a whole is pretty simple.
And Xtreme2. Ultimate Buster. Nothing else need be said.
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He's pretty damn good in X8 too, those giant buster shots... especially with the laser buster part and quickcharge head part, skipping one level of charge and halving the time needed for the remaining two. Just gotta be careful not to charge to max, since the laser itself is kinda unwieldy.
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Cause he's barely the main character in his own game series?
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Cause he's barely the main character in his own game series?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z84_dvzT-hM[/youtube]
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Cause he's barely the main character in his own game series?
And that's unforgivable.
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Because he's a pacifist pansy, who would rathar shout through a megaphone "STOP FIGHTING PLEASE! VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER!"
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Which of you know, what am I referencing here?
Seriously tough, he's a pacifist pansy.
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I thought Zero was the weak one...
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Zero is the weaker one. Also not as cool as X.
STOP SAYING OTHERWISE.
LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
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....i had no problem using X, and i have no problem using Zero as well, both of them are well balanced if you ask me.
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Anyone else getting Déjà vu from this thread...? (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/938141-castlevania-the-dracula-x-chronicles/40052925)
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Also, Zero dies 2 times and has the weak sauce to get controlled by helmet with tentacles. Then he has the nerve to go and permanently kill himself in his own series. Obviously, this man wants to DIE.
In terms of gameplay X is much easier to play with.
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X is fairly weak, because simply..
He can't keep track of his parts, and gets whiny after a few games. Plus issues with the ladies, and most likely bad with folks in green (see: GBD and massimo).
Clearly he's an anti-social who would rather play dating sims in his basement rather doing than his job. It's also why Zero hasn't given up his virginity yet, as he's a silent rapist (how else he can't score with a single chick?). Axl.. He's a drug junkie. The rest.. (Irisuu has mental problems, Vile is vengeful, etc, etc).
You know what X? Let Sigma be the lead for once.
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I think we've been over this already. We would play a dating sim with Sigma and one of the suitors would be GBD.
Naturally it would be non-canon.
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And that's unforgivable.
It sure is!
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Which of you know, what am I referencing here?
DO THAT OUTSIDE!
Also, Zero dies 2 times and has the weak sauce to get controlled by helmet with tentacles. Then he has the nerve to go and permanently kill himself in his own series. Obviously, this man wants to DIE.
In all fairness, X frequently has someone to save his ass (Zero in X1, Zero/Doppler in X3, Light in X5). Nobody really threw Zero a frikkin' bone outside of his own series.
It's also why Zero hasn't given up his virginity yet, as he's a silent rapist (how else he can't score with a single chick?).
Zero may be the most stable of our heroes with the ladies, given that he is the only one to have gotten an actual date. X is pathologically oblivious and will remain so until Alia gets the nerve to blitz him (which is probably not too far off given her wardrobe change in X8). And Axl fantasizes of having a busty ninja stalker.
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Zero's been on a date?
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Word of Sensei in MMXOCW, yes.
"We also had her [Iris] on a date for the CD illustration."
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He's pretty damn good in X8 too, those giant buster shots... especially with the laser buster part and quickcharge head part, skipping one level of charge and halving the time needed for the remaining two. Just gotta be careful not to charge to max, since the laser itself is kinda unwieldy.
Lets not forget that normal X can charge and shoot at the same time in X8!
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Hmmm, sounds like an operator issue rather than a gameplay issue. Why don't you try not sucking?
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NO!!! X IS NOT WEAK! HE JUST SPECIAL! Dr. Cain said so. XD
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Nobody really threw Zero a frikkin' bone outside of his own series.
As you say, I recall that Zero was rescued more than a few times by X in the MMZ series. X gave Zero the Z-Saber so he wouldn't get stomped by a Golem. He hacked Neo Arcadia so Zero could actually get close to it and apparently protected Zero when Area X blew up. He also dissolved the power of Dark Elf-empowered-Omega after the entire Resistance Force turned on Zero and Ciel. Then he allegedly protected Zero again from Omega's final destruction.
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X was a pain to use in X6.
But that game doesn't exist so hey.
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Besides, X doesn't have the awesome glitches that Zero has, he can hax bosses with his saber glitch in 6 seconds!
Also, Zero (back in his maverick heyday) was Jotaro Kujo and Kratos put in a blender...he's only a bishounen because one power cable liked the back of his head too much. (what do you think that hair's made of?)
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zero is a viking
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X was a pain to use in X6.
But that game doesn't exist so hey.
*gives Ka-Shaymin ZEE UPPERCUT!!*
Now YOU don't exist.
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Gotta admit X6 was pretty terrible though. But, X7. Now THAT'S a game that doesn't exist.
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Gotta admit X6 was pretty terrible though. But, X7. Now THAT'S a game that doesn't exist.
i liked x7 a little though
i couldn't enjoy x6 at all
"you are the only one is is no one else left to fight"
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I like X7... Wind Crowrang's stage is pure RAAAGEE!!! and I still have to play the final stages, but I like it...
*prepares to be crucified*
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*starts gathering the boards and nails*
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Would you like the entire crucifixion or just the getting nailed to the cross part?
Personally I never played X7 myself, though I don't think I would enjoy it anyways.
X4 X5 and X6 are the way to go.
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Well, just to be sure...DON'T. The 3D aspect kills it, you aren't even given a shadow to know where you land! Couple it with a "lock-on" mode, and it's a disaster. Only part I liked about it was Axl and Zero's new type of weapons that you got from bosses.
X6...could've been better, and even though it had some good ideas (enhancement parts, multiple armor sets), the nightmare system shows how shoddy the stage design was.
*pulls out holy water* -_- I'm armed and I'm not afraid to use this...
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X7 could have been a great 3D X game if it stuck to being 3D all the time, got a good camera, added some speed to the players, and redid some level segments that were bland and stale. There was so much potential. The graphics and music were really good for the series style too. The actual gameplay physics themselves, like the wall climbing and so forth, were really well done. Just things like Zero being slow as all hell when attacking, and damage being next to nothing, really shot the game down.
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I... I can see all of that actually.
I still like it. There's not much that will make me dislike a game; it would have to be worse than this for me to not like it.
Guess I'm easy to please.
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Zero's been on a date?
Word of Sensei in MMXOCW, yes.
"We also had her [Iris] on a date for the CD illustration."
It would be this one:
(http://i45.tinypic.com/103yipx.jpg)
I believe the source is X1~X6 Soundtrack booklet.
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Actually, when I used X, he's pretty strong, but doesn't have much ability to use it all. Instead, he has to get all elements from the Mavericks to defeat Sigma, which made him stronger. Also, if you collect all the armors, then X would be a lot stronger than before.
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(http://i45.tinypic.com/103yipx.jpg)
Hmm... do the holes in her soles mean that she has the ability to dash just like X and Zero?
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the actual gameplay physics themselves, like the wall climbing and so forth, were really well done.
Except the dash wall jump, you mean.
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Hmm... do the holes in her soles mean that she has the ability to dash just like X and Zero?
You mean the thrusters? Almost every reploid and his grandmother has one. But it doesn't mean they can dash, only certain ones built for combat, like Agile.
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It would be this one:
(http://i45.tinypic.com/103yipx.jpg)
I believe the source is X1~X6 Soundtrack booklet.
Correct. Thanks, Saber, I didn't have the image handy.
Hmm... do the holes in her soles mean that she has the ability to dash just like X and Zero?
Rock's feet say no.
Except the dash wall jump, you mean.
Why you need this in a title with proper air-dash momentum, I will never know. Not to mention that even without it, anyone who got equipped with Hyper Dash in X5/X6 had to get used to non-dash wall climbing.
Frankly, when it comes to 2-button dashing setups, I'm more concerned with dash-to-dash-jump lag time (MM10, Bass, looking at you).
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isnt X the one with the past SA class weapon that commander sigma was relying on to snipe a giant berserk mechaniloid?
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I recall reading somewhere that the legs contain an air compression system. I assume this the gems at the foot bottom, and is how the robots jump so high, dash, as well as the source of the footstep noise. Would explain Rockman & Forte's jumping noise I suppose.
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gems are vents
makes perfect sense right
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I recall reading somewhere that the legs contain an air compression system. I assume this the gems at the foot bottom, and is how the robots jump so high, dash, as well as the source of the footstep noise. Would explain Rockman & Forte's jumping noise I suppose.
It's also how they change their momentum in mid air.
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Always nice to justify game mechanics...
isnt X the one with the past SA class weapon that commander sigma was relying on to snipe a giant berserk mechaniloid?
Yet it was Zero who did the only noteworthy damage prior to Sigma's generator hit.
Missed this last time:
Gotta admit X6 was pretty terrible though. But, X7. Now THAT'S a game that doesn't exist.
X7, I agree somewhat with OBJECTION MAN's next post, in that it'd have been a lot better if the designers stuck to 3D. There are a lot of concepts that clash between the two play-modes (auto-lock and Zero's special attacks; jumping slash is NOT for side-scrolling), and the only 2D level design in the game that's worth a damn is Stonekong's.
X6, I found to be extraordinary, but it is really freaking hard so I can understand why such an unapproachable layout doesn't make for the best marketing. And yeah, the Nightmare system blows, as does Sentsuizan. Other than those two points, I find the game to be outstanding, having corrected several of X5's flaws (power-up availability, Zero's boss AI, ranking), and demonstrating a core stage layout that goes far deeper than what one traditionally expects from a MegaMan X game. In no other title can you literally collect everything without defeating a single one of the 8 Mavericks, but at the same time, reaching it all is still tricky enough to be engaging.
Also, the power-up-to-enemy ratio makes the game very unique. You can tank yourself up to absurd lengths and plow head-first through massive enemy mobs, which I find does an excellent job of conveying the sense that X and Zero are a force to be reckoned with, and makes the battles feel that much larger in scope.
It may not be user-friendly but it is certainly a great experience for those who are willing to put themselves to the test. I consider X6 to be to MegaMan X what Lost Levels is to Mario.
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Yet it was Zero who did the only noteworthy damage prior to Sigma's generator hit.
That's because X didn't hit the generator, the generator!
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I'm sorry but deep doesn't describe X6's level design. More like cheap, bullshit, and frustrating. Case in point; putting a lock on pass through wall projectile enemy in a zone where you need to remain crouched or the ceiling will magically crush you. But of course standing up, getting hit, and in some cases, attacking, will stand your ass up and cause you to be insta-killed. The mere fact that they even left in such a bullshit mechanic like that is bad enough, but that's just the beginning of the crap X6 spews from every angle.
X6 has some really bad level segments in some places. It was not thought out at all. It was a failure in level design, and in engaging difficulty. Their idea of difficulty was not particularly skill based, but rather luck of the draw or grind for power-ups till you can just survive the bullshit.
The parts system especially urked me. Getting parts was fine. Yeah OK they could die, that sucks, but it was a repeatable process, and quick to find a few right away. Too bad you cant equip them, until you grind the same damn enemy over and over and over again. Once you collect enough EXP- err nightmare souls, then you can finally equip one [tornado fang]ing part. That is bullshit.
Notice a pattern here? Grinding? Keep that bullshit out of my Megaman X games. So now lets look back. What was so great about X1? No grinding for parts, money, items, etc. It was straight up action, with a little exploration. You find stuff and can equip it right away. No waiting for all 4 parts, or having to grind money or 'souls' before you can even think about using the power-up you just found. It has proper game flow, which X6 can't begin to even think about.
The nightmare system seemed like a good idea on paper, but the next time you decide to randomize an item, or capsule, DONT. I spent nearly a half hour trying to get the capsule in dung beetle's stage.
X6 was almost a complete failure at living up to what makes a Megaman X game good, and in a lot of cases, what makes any game good. Anything it fixed, it turned right around and completely broke in another way.
Then of course, X7 took all these problems and just added more to them. Abysmal.
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I'm beginning to see that you hate a large majority of things here if they don't match your desires and seemingly go out of your way to criticize them as downright steaming piles of [parasitic bomb].
Then again, my perceptions are usually wrong. So take it with a grain of salt.
That being said, I didn't mind the level design at all; I play the games to play them, not to analyze every single thing about them.
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You just don't like that I called Starforce a tedious, boring, cash cow series with a plot thinner than tracing paper and more lame than a FoxBox show. Which I still stand by.
That I think is the only other bashing I've done to games here. Oh and Tekken. [tornado fang] Tekken.
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You did it to the whole EXE timeline, really.
And personally, I don't really care what others think. They're entitled to their own opinions and views of things as surely as I'm entitled to my own; if they clash, then oh well. It happens.
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Maybe I´m going to try out X7...Dunno what to expect since I didn´t really like X4-X6
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X6 has some really bad level segments in some places. It was not thought out at all. It was a failure in level design, and in engaging difficulty.
You'd be surprised. I'm not going to defend the garbage compressors, they're not my favorite either, but I've seen a LOT of X6 obstacles receive unjust complaints as being impossible. Perhaps most infamous is Metal Shark Player's alternate route; few players realize you can clear that with Hyper Dash alone. Which you need to reach it in the first place, unless you know how to work dash-jump speed physics to their fullest. There's more skill to the game's obstacles than most players realize; they just give up too easily in light of the game appearing sloppy presentation-wise. Many do not believe that it is even possible to clear Gate's Lab unarmored, which I have done. Hell, I know people who have claimed that the vertical lava chase in Gate's Lab 1 cannot be cleared without an air-dash.
I'll gladly take grinding with Dynamo Spitz-Swallows over X5 leaving numerous heart tanks and armor parts flat-out impossible to reach as a particular character, to say nothing of the obvious fixed order to the bosses and even the armor upgrades (you cannot obtain Gaia without Falcon), leaving the Stage Select screen as little more than a courtesy for those who have a favorite special weapon. Furthermore, you don't really need to "grind" to get an acceptable number of souls for using parts in general in X6. You have to suck pretty badly at X6 to not reach Rank A very quickly. The Limited Parts require GA, yes, but they live up to their name anyway in being one-shot deals and, besides Life Restore and Overdrive, not terribly impressive. The earlier is a free Sub Tank (see below), and the latter is over-powered against bosses thus justifying its late entry.
No grinding for parts, money, items, etc.
(http://home.comcast.net/~Anguirus/objection.gif)
Filling Sub-Tanks mean anything to you? Or stocking lives for the secret capsule?
Sure, you can ignore it if you're actually good at the game, but it's still there.
Also, bringing up X5 again, you must repeatedly suicide for 4-6 game hours if you intend to get all the parts possible (which is never more than half). It's an odd kind of grinding to simply build your stage entry count, for sure, but it is without a doubt the most pointless X-series obstacle to ever exist.
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I agree. I too have cleared the game in its entirety as unarmored X. It is by no means impossible. I thought getting to a part slot took forever though, however it may be that I play on Xtreme mode always. I never typically use Limited Parts though. I'm always reluctant to use things that disappear, especially in games like Castlevania. And yeah, X5 is also pretty broken, but I left it out of my post to limit the cans of worms I opened. X5 started the severe down fall, until X8 saved the series.
I concede that the early X games do have some grinding, but in a very minor amount, especially compared to the later entries (X5 and onward). I suppose I didn't notice it much at all on my latest series play through a few weeks ago, as I had not found myself using a subtank outside of a few final bosses, or having to actually stock up on lives to get the hadouken.
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however it may be that I play on Xtreme mode always.
So do I. On the other hand, I do keep save files where I've purposely stocked everything without clearing any Mavericks, on both PS1 and GCN.
I'm always reluctant to use things that disappear
They don't "disappear" per se, it's just one shot per stage.
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So do I. On the other hand, I do keep save files where I've purposely stocked everything without clearing any Mavericks, on both PS1 and GCN.
They don't "disappear" per se, it's just one shot per stage.
... really? I thought they were one time use period. And to think I've not been using them cause I always think I'll need them later and don't want to waste them.
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Quite a shame. I cannot recommend enough that you get equipped with Overdrive while playing as X. That thing positively rapes bosses.
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Quite a shame. I cannot recommend enough that you get equipped with Overdrive while playing as X. That thing positively rapes bosses.
pity it lasts so little.
I love X6. I like its challenge. It has flaws, the fact that heatnixes stage is composed of multiple miniboss fights, 2 with instant kill lava, (that rising one is so annoying its not even funny.) but its level design is very challenging, and iu enjoyed it.
people who complain about X6 just need to A. suck less, and B. realize games cant all be cakewalks.
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It's sad, despite the fact that HideofBeast has proven to be more skilled than any one of us can hope to be, even he still complains that X6 is "cheap difficulty". -AC
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X6 was broken up the ass. I had more fun playing Kaizo Mario, and that game makes grown men cry.
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You people need to suck less.
"Cheap difficulty"? Excuse me, but "cheap difficulty" is when you are killed by some completely off-screen obstacle grabbing you at light-speed (looking at you, MM9).
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You people need to suck less.
"Cheap difficulty"? Excuse me, but "cheap difficulty" is when you are killed by some completely off-screen obstacle grabbing you at light-speed (looking at you, MM9).
This, jesus this. Stop complaining and EARN your game clear. Not every game can be a cakewalk, kiddies.
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Well...i dont think i suck too much on X6, it just doesn't have your standard difficulty like any other megaman X games that's all.....I like it more than X5 and X4,honestly.
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X6 is butt-easy, but it's level design is terribad. The Nightmare System was also stupid. It made the game more annoying than fun.
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If by "easy" you're referring to Sigma, and by "terribad" you're referring to garbage compressors. Both are in no way indicative of the game as a whole.
And seriously, what X game is more challenging than X6? Anyone? Because I've played them all to absolutely 100% (and after months of trying, even got THAT [tornado fang]ing NO DAMAGE CLEAR ON YETI'S STAGE!!!), and the only way I see any MegaMan game harder than X6 is by looking to the Classic series.
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Sigma was easy, but I never had a problem with the compressors...
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They're not terribly difficult, they're just tedious. It's fine in Gate's Lab where there's more to the stage than that, but in Metal Shark's, the whole damn stage is that and a miniboss.
However, the X-series has seen worse 2D level design than even that. Tornado Tonion made an entire damn stage out of the X4/X5 winding staircase gimmick.
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Also: Air Forces.
Even though that was 3D. HATED that stage.
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They're not terribly difficult, they're just tedious.
I'd agree there, but that one last [tornado fang]ing nightmare at the very end where you have to remain crouching. THAT was [tornado fang]ing bullshit.
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You people need to suck less.
"Cheap difficulty"? Excuse me, but "cheap difficulty" is when you are killed by some completely off-screen obstacle grabbing you at light-speed (looking at you, MM9).
Who are you talking to exactly? I'm not complaining about X6, I'm white knighting it. Go [sonic slicer] at HideofBeast on Youtube if you're so butthurt. >_>
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Chain, by what logic do you assume that I am addressing you personally when countering a point which you clearly stated is second-hand? Chill out, eat some chocolate, and enjoy life.
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If by "easy" you're referring to Sigma, and by "terribad" you're referring to garbage compressors. Both are in no way indicative of the game as a whole.
And seriously, what X game is more challenging than X6? Anyone? Because I've played them all to absolutely 100% (and after months of trying, even got THAT [tornado fang]ing NO DAMAGE CLEAR ON YETI'S STAGE!!!), and the only way I see any MegaMan game harder than X6 is by looking to the Classic series.
Well, X6 wasn't THAT challenging for me, save for that one stage in Gate's Lab with the spikes all around and those floating platforms. That was just annoying. And I say that the level designs are terribad, because they were just boring and had annoying gimmicks at times. Also, the Nightmare system made them even more annoying. Especially the spotlights. Anyway, I honestly don't think that any X game is very challenging. The one I had the most problems with was the first one, only because I was 7 when I first played it.
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Well, if you want to call the whole series easy, that makes more sense. Although I think that's more a matter of how gameplay skills from any one translate well into all the others; probably why the non-fans consider the whole series to be hard.
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after playing X6 so much, I find it very easy now. (not that it still isnt challenging, but I can get through it with ease.)
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I found X6 a cake walk, X5 is the one that gave me a run for my money.
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Wow. In my list of "secrets of the universe that I will never understand", that post is at the top of it all.
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Eh, I always preferred X to Zero. He always seemed more real, whereas Zero always sort of came off as "generic badass 101". Probably why people like him so much, though.
As far as X6 goes... I just don't like the fact that you have to use parts if you go unarmoured. I would have liked to be able to finish the whole game without touching a part or armour, much like pretty much every other X game. Oh well.
My personal favourite is still X2. Sure, it's one of the easiest ones of the bunch, but I find it has the best flow of them all. No real grinding required at all, if you knew where to stock up your subtanks in mere seconds. The ability to dash right away. Also, the boss AI is somewhat more intelligent as far as X-buster only use is concerned (something that X3 fails horribly at). X1 is my very close second favourite, hindered only by the fact that you have no choice but to get some upgrades (barring passwords, of course).
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I'll admit I like Zero better than X. I mean, he near always has a kickass theme music, and in his first appearance, he blows the arm off the intro stage boss. That said, I happen to like X too (the absence of Model X being a major letdown for me with ZXA), and I especially like seeing X and Zero as a team. Didn't appreciate X4 taking them each solo.
As far as X6 goes... I just don't like the fact that you have to use parts if you go unarmoured. I would have liked to be able to finish the whole game without touching a part or armour, much like pretty much every other X game. Oh well.
Well, at least you're specific enough that it's actually true (I keep catching people claiming that it's one given part/armor which is necessary, which is not true), and you put it into context with required upgrades not being completely alien to Mega Man games. That being said, X6 is the only game besides X5 in which you can proceed with no special weapons. And X5's method of doing so is rather cheap, having you just flick an option in the menu screen to screw over the world.
I like X6's head-scratching stage obstacles because it's never a matter of "only one thing works", which is what Mega Man level design typically amounts to. X6 runs a bit deeper than that by presenting obstacles that have multiple solutions. Oddly enough, despite his previous reputation as the "advanced" player, Zero is often the easy way out of such situations.
X1 is my very close second favourite, hindered only by the fact that you have no choice but to get some upgrades (barring passwords, of course)
I don't believe any password will get you past Zero's death and thus prevent you from picking up the buster upgrade. FYI, MHX allows you to skip the leg upgrade without the need for hacking. Although I personally have a hard time getting used to any post-3 MegaMan game with no movement faster than your basic walk (my main gripe with Rock in 9/10).
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FYI, MHX allows you to skip the leg upgrade without the need for hacking. Although I personally have a hard time getting used to any post-3 MegaMan game with no movement faster than your basic walk (my main gripe with Rock in 9/10).
Yeah, it's rather enjoyable to have the choice to run through most of it without any parts. The only part you still have to get is the buster, but at least it's so close to the end that you can still do the majority of everything with nothing else.