The "Paradise Lost" technique?

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on: August 24, 2009, 04:13:00 AM
You know the one.  When X/Zero/Axl start to overpower Lumine in his final form, he releases a cascade of energy, turtles up, and the sky becomes dark.  If you don't defeat Lumine soon after this, he'll use an instant kill attack that annihilates your Hunter team.

My question:  Is there any official documentation on what Lumine's "Paradise Lost" is actually doing?  Reality warp?  Black hole?  Physical manifestation of the complexity of Milton?



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Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 04:21:16 AM
Maybe the darkness is gravity manifest, and crushes the slow ones.



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Reply #2 on: August 24, 2009, 04:36:44 AM
I don't think they had an idea behind the true nature of Paradise Lost. Having the screen go black and then hearing your beloved character die screaming is somewhat disturbing. The ambiguity helps.

To give a proper answer, I guess the most logical answer in my eyes is that he used some powerful dark energy. Kind of a lame guess.



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Reply #3 on: August 24, 2009, 04:47:52 AM
I'm sure whatever it is, it involves tentacles.



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Reply #4 on: August 24, 2009, 05:05:37 AM
Well, Lumine is supposed to represent an angel gone bad, Lucifer, really, so its like, it cannot be comprehended. its just, some divine, evil force that just, kills you.

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #5 on: August 24, 2009, 05:09:58 AM
Well, Lumine is supposed to represent an angel gone bad, Lucifer, really, so its like, it cannot be comprehended.



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Reply #6 on: August 24, 2009, 05:16:55 AM
haha... XD actually, thats exactly what I was thinking of. XD

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #7 on: August 24, 2009, 05:20:16 AM
Well, Lumine is supposed to represent an angel gone bad, Lucifer, really, so its like, it cannot be comprehended. its just, some divine, evil force that just, kills you.
Well, I'm okay with Lumine having this "divine" ability, but only if there's a reason how/why he obtained this power.  For instance, Sigma can really hack huge chunks off your energy meter.  Reason: He's the strongest reploid in history.  Epsilon can reduce your HP to 1.  Reason: He can manipulate energy and his body utilizes Supra Force Metal.  Great Redips can completely dominate you at first.  Reason: He's equipped super-refined supra force metal.  Awakened Zero can insta-kill you.  Reason: The Virus unlocks his potential power.

No one else besides Zero and Lumine have instant kill techniques.  I guess I'm fascinated with why and how Lumine has such an ability.  He is, after all, a newcomer to the events of 21XX.



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Reply #8 on: August 24, 2009, 05:30:17 AM
Looks more like they just wanted to sneak in X8's subtitle to the game in some form, so here's a generic one hit kill attack.



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Reply #9 on: August 24, 2009, 05:34:35 AM
Looks more like they just wanted to sneak in X8's subtitle to the game in some form, so here's a generic one hit kill attack.
You have to admit that the darkness closing in (along with the building music) was a pretty cool effect, though.  Lumine's transition from an "angel of light" to an "angel of dark" also fits very nicely with the title.

Do you suppose its too much to hope that X Complete Works will have some design notes relating to the PL?



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Reply #10 on: August 24, 2009, 06:14:43 AM
mmm.. I dont know... :\

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #11 on: August 24, 2009, 10:16:08 AM
Maybe the darkness is gravity manifest, and crushes the slow ones.
I always thought of it that way. More than likely some shady japanese databook explains the intricacies of purple-haired emo seraph.

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Reply #12 on: August 24, 2009, 10:20:54 AM
Eh, I never stuck around to see it happen. Was lame anyways. He probably just drops spikes on you.



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Reply #13 on: August 24, 2009, 06:24:22 PM
Eh, I never stuck around to see it happen. Was lame anyways. He probably just drops spikes on you.
I waited just to see what would happen.  I still think the execution is kind of cool.



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Reply #14 on: August 24, 2009, 06:29:25 PM
The screen turns black. which means the stage dissappears. Which means you fall to your death?

...When Larry the reploid accountant goes maverick of his own accord, he's certainly formidable during tax season, but he isn't going to provide X the challenge needed to make him grow as a warrior and reach his potential.


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Reply #15 on: August 24, 2009, 06:30:24 PM
Not just the stage. The whole world is reset~

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Reply #16 on: August 24, 2009, 06:55:38 PM
Not just the stage. The whole world is reset~
Considering how screwed up the Rockman universe is, I fail to see how resetting it would be a bad thing. -u-'



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Reply #17 on: August 24, 2009, 07:01:42 PM
Considering how screwed up the Rockman universe is, I fail to see how resetting it would be a bad thing. -u-'

And how time travel/time altering's involved doesn't help either.

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Reply #18 on: August 24, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
Resetting ends the progress of world evolution.
A new world can be made from that point, with different visions than the last one.

From who's point of view do YOU think it's a bad thing? For the hunters or for Lumine? >U<

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Reply #19 on: August 24, 2009, 07:27:20 PM
Resetting ends the progress of world evolution.
A new world can be made from that point, with different visions than the last one.

From who's point of view do YOU think it's a bad thing? For the hunters or for Lumine? >U<
Resetting is bad for both. Lumine went insane, right? That "I'm going to kill myself and take as many with me as a I can" mentality. Which in his case, meant the entire universe. In the case of the planet all this crap happens, though, I'm sure it wouldn't mind being put out of its misery. All of those crazy robots blowing stuff up, crashing satellites into it, and creating weird things like robotic plants. And this huge, never-ending war ends up in a global flood, right?



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Reply #20 on: August 24, 2009, 07:30:06 PM
And how time travel/time altering's involved doesn't help either.

what does that have to do with anything we're talking about?


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Reply #21 on: August 24, 2009, 07:38:07 PM
If I remember, there was this move that Lumine will attempt to freeze you in place with an inverted BG. Plus when the dark doors close, that's when the Big Bang begins and the world is reset and will insta-kill your team.

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Reply #22 on: August 24, 2009, 07:44:45 PM
that's when the Big Bang begins and the world is reset and will insta-kill your team.

you're making [parasitic bomb] up again.


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Reply #23 on: August 24, 2009, 10:07:45 PM
all that happens is the screen goes dark, and he gives your team a hug, GunXSword Clawed Man style.



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Reply #24 on: August 24, 2009, 10:10:13 PM
Isn't that what Akuma does as well?