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Title: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Solar on March 29, 2011, 11:05:00 PM
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4Kids Entertainment has made quite a business out of taking Japanese anime programming like Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh! and dubbing it into English for the pleasure of U.S. children. Just how lucrative? The Yu-Gi-Oh! franchise, including a popular TV show and various merchandising, is said to have earned 4Kids over $152 million in income between 2001 and 2009.

But now, the Japanese animation studio that first created the anime hits is attacking, claiming that 4Kids owes it millions of dollars for making secret agreements with TV networks and home video distributors as well as making improper royalty deductions, including for the cost of the actual dubbing. As the result of alleged contractual breaches, the Japanese companies behind the show reveal they have just terminated their licensing agreements with 4Kids. They now want past money owed too.

TV Tokyo Corporation and Nihon Ad Systems filed the lawsuit last week in New York federal court.

According to the complaint, the plaintiffs exercised their right to audit 4Kids' financial books in 2010 to see whether they were getting paid 50% of gross income, minus pre-defined expenses, as agreed upon in the original licensing agreement.

The auditor allegedly turned up some questionable accounting concerning deals made by 4Kids with the Cartoon Network and other parties.

For example, 4Kids is said to have made an agreement with  Funimation Productions, giving it the right to exploit the YGO series on home video. "4Kids conspired with Funimation to fraudulently hide from Plaintiffs more than 45% of the total income Funimation paid to 4Kids from the sale of the home videos," the complaint states.

Allegedly, 4Kids not only licensed YGO, but also several other Japanese animation series it didn't own. Under the terms of this supposedly secret deal, which allegedly included a strict confidentiality clause, 4Kids didn't have to do much besides perform certain marketing services. It was Funimation's job to produce and distribute the series, and for this right, Funimation paid a $1.3 million advance and gave over nearly $4 million in a service fee, which was allegedly then hidden from the plaintiffs.

4Kids is said to have made a similar "strictly confidential" deal with Majesco Sales Inc. to produce and distribute videos of the YGO episodes on Nintendo's Gameboy Advanced game system, and allegedly never turned over any royalties.

The complaint also details some improper deductions, including more than $2.5 million worth of international withholding taxes, bank charges, insurance coverage, YGO style guide art, the cost of the audit itself, and even the cost of the dubbing. TV Tokyo says 4Kids "expressly agreed to bear [such costs] under the agreement."

After the auditor's report, the parties met in February to discuss the situation. The plaintiffs are said to have made an offer, which was rejected. After further discussions, on March 17, 4Kids wired $1 million as a "good faith" initial payment. The next day, reps for the Japanese companies flew to the U.S. for a final meeting to see if they could resolve the mess.

"4Kids abruptly terminated this meeting without a resolution to any of the outstanding issues," says the complaint.

In response, TV Tokyo Corporation and Nihon Ad Systems have cancelled the agreement and filed a lawsuit, seeking more than $4 million in damages and other relief for breach of contract and fraud. The legal dispute also leaves the future of some of the most popular Japanese programming on U.S. television in some doubt.

Attempts to reach 4Kids for comment were unsuccessful.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/yu-gi-creator-terminates-us-172273


Yeah, the company is done for.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Police Girl on March 29, 2011, 11:09:53 PM
Well, [parasitic bomb]. Certaintly wasn't expecting this to happen.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on March 29, 2011, 11:17:51 PM
Well, [parasitic bomb]. Certaintly wasn't expecting this to happen.
Amen to that. I mean, I expected them to eventually go down under do to their recent economic issues, but damn, I NEVER expected this!

That said, Yugioh's US license is up for grabs now. (if they decide to actually part with it now that this has happened with 4kids, that is)

Ive always hoped for Funimation to get the rights to Yugioh, though now, Im not so sure if that could happen, given 4kids made those certain deals with them behind TV Tokyo's back.

Although, Its possible, given that Funi may not have even known that the deals were "bad deals" so to speak. And even if they knew, its 4kids at fault for even inciting it, so Funi could just wash their hands of the whole thing, since it "wasnt their fault"
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: irgpie on March 29, 2011, 11:19:22 PM
My only thoughts are about how many may be left unemployed if the company goes under.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on March 29, 2011, 11:27:05 PM
By the way, anyone else find it interesting that Al Kahn retired a short while ago? When they were in a financial mess? Specifically when TV Tokyo decided to audit 4kids' books?
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Protoman Blues on March 29, 2011, 11:39:38 PM
Brooklyn Joey is saddened by this.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Align on March 30, 2011, 12:03:04 AM
I thought you guys hated 4kids?
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on March 30, 2011, 12:05:12 AM
I do. But I'm trying not to show much contempt.

let me put it this way: I hate what they've done with anime. But that was executive fuckery. AKA Khan, and whatever little group of board directors he has/had. everyone else was just an underling, and might very well lose their job, despite what they themselves might have thought.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 30, 2011, 12:13:10 AM
Was Yu-Gi-Oh ever any good? I kinda outgrew typical shonen back when it started out, and card battles seemed retarded to me. I only watched one or two loose eps, and thought they were kinda stupid. How was it overall?
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Gaia on March 30, 2011, 12:15:00 AM
Brooklyn Joey is saddened by this.

Brooklyn Joey's the best one out there. One thing I liked about 4kids is that some way or another, they gave 'em accents in YGO. This also means Pokemon is also at risk (the anime itself, considering how they just LITERALLY used the JP opening for Best Wishes, and they didin't give it a US title either traditionally) of being pulled as well. Hopefully Nintendo will be smart enough to open an anime company to keep the current season on the air.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Solar on March 30, 2011, 12:16:36 AM
4kids lost Pokemon years ago =/

Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Gaia on March 30, 2011, 12:20:11 AM
'Doh, right. How did I forget that.... >.>

Next anime I think they are gonna lose is Sonic X... I think. Since Seg's decided to let the 4kids voice actors go, 'cept for a few.. I think.  8U
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on March 30, 2011, 12:26:44 AM
'Doh, right. How did I forget that.... >.>

Next anime I think they are gonna lose is Sonic X... I think. Since Seg's decided to let the 4kids voice actors go, 'cept for a few.. I think.  8U
Sonic X ended a while ago too though. They cant make much more off of the anime, and theve recently been replaced in the VA department, (with the exception of Pollock) Although arent the 4kids VA's actually freelancers? I mean theyve done dub work outside of 4kids.

*cues Dan Green's Hentai work* "CLUCK LIKE A CHICKEN!"
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: The Drunken Dishwasher on March 30, 2011, 01:12:52 AM
...

I'd love to see original, unaltered Yugioh w/ the same actors.

I hope this happens.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on March 30, 2011, 01:15:51 AM
...

I'd love to see original, unaltered Yugioh w/ the same actors.

I hope this happens.
yeah I never minded the Dubbing cast, it was the editing that did.

I mean, I loved Yugioh uncut.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: ViperAcidZX on March 30, 2011, 01:22:39 AM
(http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/falcon-yes.jpg)

Brooklyn Joey Wheeler will be missed, though.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Krystal on March 30, 2011, 01:50:47 AM
Ah, so long 4kids. We hated you but some of your crap will be missed. May your talents find a better roof.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Rin on March 30, 2011, 01:53:31 AM
Was Yu-Gi-Oh ever any good? I kinda outgrew typical shonen back when it started out, and card battles seemed retarded to me. I only watched one or two loose eps, and thought they were kinda stupid. How was it overall?
Duel Monsters anime isn't bad in original, it's just that it can be pretty [tornado fang]ing boring at times. AND DEM HORRIBLE FILLERS! ARRRGH!
So I suggest reading the manga, especially from the begginning. Kaiba wanting to kill Mokuba (his brother) through a gas chamber is SO WORTH IT.

GX is [tornado fang]ing retarded. Don't touch it, unless you're a hardcore fan.

5D's is [tornado fang]ing AMAZING, even though CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES LOL it's really the best ANIME series related to YGO. Despite the shitty twist in the last season and its horrible and boring WRPG arc. : /

As for this thing with 4Kids... well:

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 30, 2011, 01:55:33 AM
Duel Monsters anime isn't bad in original, it's just that it can be pretty [tornado fang]ing boring at times. AND DEM HORRIBLE FILLERS! ARRRGH!
So I suggest reading the manga, especially from the begginning. Kaiba wanting to kill Mokuba (his brother) through a gas chamber is SO WORTH IT.

GX is [tornado fang]ing retarded. Don't touch it, unless you're a hardcore fan.

5D's is [tornado fang]ing AMAZING, even though CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES LOL it's really the best ANIME series related to YGO. Despite the shitty twist in the last season and its horrible and boring WRPG arc. : /

As for this thing with 4Kids... well:

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
I might try out the manga. Thanks.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Krystal on March 30, 2011, 02:12:14 AM
Get your game on!

I liked YGO at the start. Like, back when Yami was running around just killing people. That was good. And it was about games, not 'card game'.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on March 30, 2011, 02:26:50 AM
Dont touch the 5D's manga though, it is really weird. If you try 5D's, you are best off watching the anime.

I'll tell you though, 5D's has some of the BEST music Ive ever heard in Yugioh.

Get your game on!

I liked YGO at the start. Like, back when Yami was running around just killing people. That was good. And it was about games, not 'card game'.
Lol, like basically, early manga/season 0?

Yeah. He was a maniac.

I mean, look at this face.

LOOK AT THIS [tornado fang]ing FACE

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/4638/darkyugimanga.jpg)

Thats the face of a psycho
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 30, 2011, 02:50:56 AM
I'll check it out. Man, he still looks amazingly ridiculous, though.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Rin on March 30, 2011, 02:56:24 AM
I'll check it out. Man, he still looks amazingly ridiculous, though.
Keep in mind, that at the beginning, the art is pretty strange. You might want to be prepared for that.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 30, 2011, 03:04:07 AM
I like strange art. I love JoJo for that reason.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Krystal on March 30, 2011, 03:55:18 AM
Yes, basically season 0. He was completely crazy and awesome. And a serial murderer. Who killed with children's games. That's more awesome than the Zodiac Killer.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on March 30, 2011, 04:13:41 AM
To be fair though, he only really ever took out scumbags.

Although sometimes, he really did some [tornado fang]'d up stuff.


I mean, Kaiba might have been beyond [tornado fang]'d up, But Yami DID put him in a vegetative coma until like, halfway into Duelist island. (AKA when the Kaiba imposter shows up in the anime- The oriinal was a puppet master with a creepy Kaiba puppet who he claimed had Kaiba's soul)
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Sapphire Knight on March 30, 2011, 06:47:22 AM
My opinion of 4Kids getting sued: It's about f***ing time!
I mean, seriously, with the stink that fans raised about how horrible they dub anime, I'm surprised it took so long for someone in Japan to investigate them for an excuse to do so.

Also, for the Yu-Gi-Oh manga. If I recall, Pegasus stuffed Yugi's Grandpa's soul into a camcorder instead of absorbing it into his eye. Plus, instead of dumping Bandit Keith into the ocean, I recall he turned Keith's hand into a revolver and made him shoot himself in the head.

Yeah, even the duelist kingdom part was a bit messed up.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Rin on March 30, 2011, 06:50:04 AM
Additionally, it's confirmed Bakura KILLS Pegasus in the manga.
: D
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on March 30, 2011, 07:04:23 AM
Does he? I dont recall that. though then again, i didnt see much of the Duelist Kingdom chapters.

I DO recall Bakura impaling his hand on a Tabletop RPG tower set though. That was great.

Also, Mahado Sacrificing himself, and becoming the Dark Magician. By walking into a pendulum saw. Dayum.

though ALOT more people die in the manga and unedited anime. Its 4kids that glances over that [parasitic bomb].
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Sapphire Knight on March 30, 2011, 07:09:31 AM
Indeed. Though, I didn't know Mahado sacrificed himself. I thought he made a wrong step and got splattered. >3>
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Blackhook on March 30, 2011, 07:10:31 AM
Poor poor 4kids. Thy shenanigans shalt be missed :D ..lol dark energy discs
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Bueno Excelente on March 30, 2011, 09:46:35 AM
Did the chapter 0 exist in the anime?
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Krystal on March 30, 2011, 10:02:37 AM
Is this song still about YGO?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbZG0v1-RIQ[/youtube]
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Solar on March 30, 2011, 10:06:28 AM
If you mean season zero then yeah, that's usually what people mean by it since AFAIK it and the first 7 volumes of the manga it's based on (before the whole card game thing became the focus) are similar yet still quite different.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: The Drunken Dishwasher on March 30, 2011, 11:38:02 AM
I REALLY gotta read the manga one of these days.

and Pokemon Adventure (that's the one where pokemon also die right?)
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Solar on March 30, 2011, 11:42:11 AM
Kinda but yeah, that's the one.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: The Drunken Dishwasher on March 30, 2011, 11:47:50 AM
Alrighty~
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Blackhook on March 30, 2011, 03:35:43 PM
Relevant?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_eUHs_HXow[/youtube]

Also..looks like Little Kuriboh got banned from Youtube...again
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on March 30, 2011, 04:11:21 PM
Indeed. Though, I didn't know Mahado sacrificed himself. I thought he made a wrong step and got splattered. >3>
Oh no, that was all just as planned. He basically fused his soul with his spirit monster.

Also, lol at Kaiba Sheen.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on April 01, 2011, 01:05:13 AM
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On Wednesday, the North American media distributor 4Kids Entertainment filed a Form 8-K report to the United States Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to address TV Tokyo and Nihon Ad Systems' (NAS') recent lawsuit against 4Kids and their letter of termination for 4Kids' Yu-Gi-Oh! ...


...In the report, 4Kids stated that on March 27, it informed the two licensors that their letter of termination "did not comply with the 10 business day notice and cure provision" written in the agreement, and states that it has rejected the termination letter "as wrongful and devoid of any factual and legal basis." 4Kids further reported that the licensors reiterated their intent to terminate on March 30, and that the American company intends to "vigorously oppose" said termination.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-03-31/4kids-files-shareholders-report-on-yu-gi-oh-lawsuit

Yeah, they KNOW that they will very well die if they lose Yugioh, so they will fight it to the bitter end to keep their grip on it.

Though Japan, with all the [parasitic bomb] it's going through probably isn't going to put up with their [parasitic bomb] and will no doubt hit them hard.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: irgpie on April 10, 2011, 05:17:29 PM
I'm surprised no one posted this yet:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/4Kids-Entertainment-Files-for-bw-277838303.html?x=0
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Archer on April 10, 2011, 05:59:13 PM
How I imagined Flame's reaction to all this would have been:

(http://i53.tinypic.com/2u4ri29.jpgp)
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on April 10, 2011, 07:49:50 PM
Lol.

Well it was.

Inside.

I try to not show TOO much contempt.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: ZeroCracked on April 19, 2011, 06:58:32 AM
I am amazed I haven't seen this yet.

I really don't have too much to say other than, "4Kids, you made my childhood a happy one. Now go to hell."

That is all.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Kieran on April 19, 2011, 02:50:36 PM
And nothing of value was lost.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on May 20, 2011, 06:45:24 AM
update on the matter

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The North American media distributor 4Kids, which is filing for bankruptcy in the Southern District of New York, filed a motion on Friday requesting that the bankruptcy case's judge, Shelley C. Chapman, issue an order to stay (suspend) co-licensor Asatsu DK's (ADK's) attempts to exercise control over the Yu-Gi-Oh! anime franchise in the United States.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-05-17/4kids-files-to-prevent-yu-gi-oh-zexal-licensing

They really are tenacious, ill give them that.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: VirusChris on July 27, 2011, 10:24:31 PM
Will nothing stop 4Kids from grabbing their hands on Yu-gi-oh? I really would love to see Season 4 or final season of Yu-gi-oh! GX in English as it's the last arc never to air or finish.

But if it doesn't oh well.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on January 28, 2012, 04:30:44 AM
This is slightly old news, but I just found out so its new to me:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-12-31/4kids-yu-gi-oh-license-is-still-in-force-court-rules

4kids won the court case, they get to keep their contract till it expires. (though after it does, im pretty sure they wont get a new one from Tv Tokyo )
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Archer on January 28, 2012, 09:33:33 AM
considering that they're currently dubbing zexal, it should have been obvious
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on January 28, 2012, 10:23:24 AM
You assume I watch CW 4kids. I have not touched the CW on Saturday mornings since 4kids took over and started porting all their Fox box shows to it.

I also don't have cable, so I don't get Cartoon network, which I think gets Yugioh too doesn't it? So I'm well sheltered from the horrors of 4kids.

I also just simply haven't been watching too much TV at all. Nothing that good on these days.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Archer on January 28, 2012, 10:58:16 AM
i don't even know what you're on about, i'm not american

you don't need to see it on tv to know it exists, you know
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Rin on January 28, 2012, 12:52:39 PM
I've been watching Zexal both subbed and DUBBED.
It's an... interesting experience.

And this is also a prime example of American law system.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Flame on January 29, 2012, 02:26:44 AM
Not entirely- Japan did not follow proper procedures for terminating the contract. Which is why things ended the way they did. they didnt take 4kids to court to nullify the contract, the just declared it terminated ant told them they no longer had Yugioh. 4kids on the other hand, fought back, and took them to court over it. There was also some other babble about the charges some of which were withdrawn, and others invalidated.

also, @ Sakura: Well, whatever the case may be, I just heard of it.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They also lose their programming block.
Post by: Police Girl on August 13, 2012, 06:48:45 AM
Slightly on and slightly off-topic here.

Yu-Gi-Oh's rights are now all in the hands of Konami.

CW4Kids/Toonzai is over in two weeks in favor of Vortexx, which will be programmed by Saban, which will retain Zexal in their block.

Guess 4Kids is finally dead.

Source. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-08-11/saban-debuts-vortexx-tv-with-yu-gi-oh-dbz-kai-rangers)
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Gaia on August 13, 2012, 06:55:04 AM
Well, safe to say 4kids finally croaked.. *checks lineup* Wait. Cubix? They're SERIOUSLY bringing that back?  Here we go again.. ::)
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Police Girl on August 13, 2012, 07:05:36 AM
Well, safe to say 4kids finally croaked.. *checks lineup* Wait. Cubix? They're SERIOUSLY bringing that back?  Here we go again.. ::)

E/I Mandate. If it weren't for that it would be safe to say that it wouldn't even be on there.

If you check Vortexx's website they don't even list it among the rest of the shows they're airing (Then again, they don't mention DBZ Kai or the Original YGO either, so it might be that they just picked out the important ones.)
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Rin on August 13, 2012, 07:37:42 AM
Wow, you guys are quick.

This has been known for, what? Two months? Maybe more?

In any case... nothing will change. Konami/Saban will be using 4kids "former HQ" to [parasitic bomb] out the dubs now.

With 4kids employees.

Yup.

I just hope, Elik Alvarez and the rest of his 4kids composer buddies will be still making new music for the Zexal dub.
I want to hear their version of Tron's theme.
Title: Re: 4kids loses Yu-Gi-Oh. They get sued too.
Post by: Police Girl on August 13, 2012, 07:49:51 AM
Wow, you guys are quick.

This has been known for, what? Two months? Maybe more?

Yeah, yeah.

We've had slower news before.